RobM Posted 24 February, 2013 Share Posted 24 February, 2013 What a quite brilliant contradiction. Well done sir. How is it? Clyne is both a RB and a LB, but predominately, Cork plays CM or RM, Richardson is a RM. All of them can, do, have and are able to play in these positions. I'm not suggesting this becomes our starting lineup, I'm suggesting it's a far more sensible option (round pegs and all that...) than playing players out of position. Yoshida is a CB through-and-through, Forren I admit I don't know enough about to say either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yamms_schmitz Posted 24 February, 2013 Share Posted 24 February, 2013 A Championship player. Unfortunately he is just not good enough. Full back is one of the most important roles in the premier league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 24 February, 2013 Share Posted 24 February, 2013 Having seen the game today live you can see the rest of the team panic when he comes on, they KNOW he's not good enough. Jos esp. Needs the comfort of a good LB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 24 February, 2013 Share Posted 24 February, 2013 Once a year the Rabbi would invest a goat with the sins of the community and run the beast out of the village and into the wilderness. One year the goat returned, sending the village into panic so the village decided this year and every subsequent year to throw the poor beast over a cliff to make sure it never came back to embarrass them. Saints lose a football match. Someone has to be blamed. It's written in stone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 24 February, 2013 Share Posted 24 February, 2013 Fox out! I'll drive him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 24 February, 2013 Share Posted 24 February, 2013 At fault for 3rd goal and 4th goal, for both positioning is poor, i play LB all be it a much lower standard and also lack pace like fox but i make up for it by being able to turn quick and have some muscle, fox thinks hes better then he is and plays like a attacking full back with a class pass, which he does posses but the problem is its not at this level. He should go back to burnley and play for a midtable championship side where he will look good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 24 February, 2013 Share Posted 24 February, 2013 I'd stuck up for him a lot this season but today he was dross. Looked poor but then so did others. Newcastle played well, pressed hard and they seemed to get the rub of the green but too often we looked under pressure in posession (something we normally dont) and fox was a massive culprit for me. The one thing I will say about fox is that he always comes across as a determined player so I hope he the next time he gets a game he'l be at his best looking to show he can be a part of our side next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 24 February, 2013 Share Posted 24 February, 2013 The one thing I will say about fox is that he always comes across as a determined player so I hope he the next time he gets a game he'l be at his best looking to show he can be a part of our side next season. Wether we are in The Premiership or The Championship I hope he is definitely NOT part of the squad next season never mind the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 24 February, 2013 Author Share Posted 24 February, 2013 I'd stuck up for him a lot this season but today he was dross. Looked poor but then so did others. Newcastle played well, pressed hard and they seemed to get the rub of the green but too often we looked under pressure in posession (something we normally dont) and fox was a massive culprit for me. The one thing I will say about fox is that he always comes across as a determined player so I hope he the next time he gets a game he'l be at his best looking to show he can be a part of our side next season. I do hope not, even if we do go down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 24 February, 2013 Share Posted 24 February, 2013 Wether we are in The Premiership or The Championship I hope he is definitely NOT part of the squad next season never mind the team. I'd say the same about a few of our players BUT if he shows world beating form for the next few games he deserves pre season and a fair shot (if mp thinks he might be good enough). I think most players on the fringes or running down contracts are essentially playing for their futures next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 24 February, 2013 Share Posted 24 February, 2013 I'd stuck up for him a lot this season but today he was dross. Looked poor but then so did others. Newcastle played well, pressed hard and they seemed to get the rub of the green but too often we looked under pressure in posession (something we normally dont) and fox was a massive culprit for me. The one thing I will say about fox is that he always comes across as a determined player so I hope he the next time he gets a game he'l be at his best looking to show he can be a part of our side next season. Nah, he's a player we need to replace if we are to progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 24 February, 2013 Share Posted 24 February, 2013 Nah, he's a player we need to replace if we are to progress. I don't have much time for him either but think people have been a bit hard on him today - damned by his well-deserved reputation for poor positioning and slow recovery. For me the goals were tough breaks rather than outright errors. But I won't be too surprised if he's retained at the end of the season. At this level it's risking a lot to have a 17 year-old as cover for a 17 year-old. It all depends on our budget. Worried but not surprised. The trouble with him being in the squad is that sooner or later he's going to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 24 February, 2013 Share Posted 24 February, 2013 I don't have much time for him either but think people have been a bit hard on him today - damned by his well-deserved reputation for poor positioning and slow recovery. For me the goals were tough breaks rather than outright errors. But I won't be too surprised if he's retained at the end of the season. At this level it's risking a lot to have a 17 year-old as cover for a 17 year-old. It all depends on our budget. Worried but not surprised. The trouble with him being in the squad is that sooner or later he's going to play. Both goals in the 2nd half were down to his lack of positional awareness more than anything. Got caught on the wrong side of Debouchy, and he was then vulnerable for the hand ball. Was caught too close to Jos for the 4th, which allowed his clearance to hit in off Jos. I don't think he's as bad as some make out, but his lack of positional sense has been obvious ever since he's been here to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 24 February, 2013 Share Posted 24 February, 2013 been supportive of fox to his critics on here today, he was abysmal Shaw was getting a torrid time down his side but fox was terrible the handball was unfortunate, the own goal clearance was comical hooiveld and fox away from home in this league is a disaster waiting to happen..and it did again today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonroader07 Posted 24 February, 2013 Share Posted 24 February, 2013 I dont think Fox is **** I just think he has been found out on the Prem, a move to a good Div One team should do us all a favour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 24 February, 2013 Share Posted 24 February, 2013 Nah, he's a player we need to replace if we are to progress. On current form, agreed. If he shows something else in the last few games he might deserve a look in, MP might be able to get more out of him? Im doubtful but would love to be proved wrong about fox, clearly a committed player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 24 February, 2013 Share Posted 24 February, 2013 I dont think Fox is **** I just think he has been found out on the Prem, a move to a good Div One team should do us all a favour Know any good Div One teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 24 February, 2013 Share Posted 24 February, 2013 He was very good vs Man Utd and Man City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 24 February, 2013 Share Posted 24 February, 2013 I don't agree with the scapegoating. However, looking at Fox's performances this season in isolation... ...if we have PL ambitions (of even being in it!!) he is not good enough. One to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie May Posted 24 February, 2013 Share Posted 24 February, 2013 Hey, leave Fanny Dox alone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowds Posted 24 February, 2013 Share Posted 24 February, 2013 ****ing liability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 24 February, 2013 Share Posted 24 February, 2013 Well said. I'm certainly not a Fox fan and I don't think he should be playing, but those two goals were just bad breaks. Penalty was a bad break, but smashing a clearance into the chest of your centre back who is 3 metres away and can clearly be seen by Fox and everyone else is just bad play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 24 February, 2013 Share Posted 24 February, 2013 Too easily out foxed by opposition attackers. Needs to show more cunning. Wish he would just foxtrot oscar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 24 February, 2013 Share Posted 24 February, 2013 Penalty was a bad break, but smashing a clearance into the chest of your centre back who is 3 metres away and can clearly be seen by Fox and everyone else is just bad play. Reckon he should have calmly side footed it into the bottom left hand corner like a certain England international. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 24 February, 2013 Share Posted 24 February, 2013 I would rather kelvin Davis play left back than fox. He is Dia Been saying it for a long time now. Its funny at the start I was branded crazy for even thinking such a thing. Funny now how its 99% Agree. He would never in a million years get the privilege of warming a bench in the premier league apart from with us. Him coming on the pitch is quite frankly embarrassing and is a prime example of why we are a week squad. Average starting 11 but after that its mainly championship standard. In fox case league one is more his level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 24 February, 2013 Share Posted 24 February, 2013 Yes, the penalty could very well be his fault but anyone knows that with the movements you make in football, it happens, it's natural. Try running with your arms by your side, it doesn't work. Sure, he was to blame for a few things this year but jumping on his back for every, single goal we concede is utterly pathetic and shows people up a bit, to be honest. Those who don't agree, I'd say one thing; assess the whole phase of play, not just the end result (Fox giving away penalty/Fox-Hooiveld incident). Excellent post in an overall sea of sh*te! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 24 February, 2013 Share Posted 24 February, 2013 I would rather kelvin Davis play left back than fox. He is Dia Been saying it for a long time now. Its funny at the start I was branded crazy for even thinking such a thing. Funny now how its 99% Agree. He would never in a million years get the privilege of warming a bench in the premier league apart from with us. Him coming on the pitch is quite frankly embarrassing and is a prime example of why we are a week squad. Average starting 11 but after that its mainly championship standard. In fox case league one is more his level. 99% DONT agree they'd rather see a keeper at lb. Fox was decent last season, has had the odd good game this. It's not an embarassment to have him on the bench and thats utter nonsense. Is he good enough? Maybe not. If we were in the prem at the time would we have signed him? Again probably not. But he was a big part of the squad that took us up so calm yourself down and stop spouting such dross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 24 February, 2013 Share Posted 24 February, 2013 That's a matter of opinion. You are intitled you yours. Maybe a poll would settle it. He will only get worse not better. If you are happy with **** like that then your very easily pleased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 24 February, 2013 Share Posted 24 February, 2013 That's a matter of opinion. You are intitled you yours. Maybe a poll would settle it. He will only get worse not better. If you are happy with **** like that then your very easily pleased. Your opinion is that he will get worse, thats certainly not a fact. In fact a new manager has been known to get more out of players ... that IS a fact. I didn't say im happy with his performances and think he should be doing better or will be replaced but do you seriously think playing a gk at lb is a better option...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 24 February, 2013 Share Posted 24 February, 2013 That's a matter of opinion. You are intitled you yours. Maybe a poll would settle it. He will only get worse not better. If you are happy with **** like that then your very easily pleased. You've reverted to being special again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 24 February, 2013 Share Posted 24 February, 2013 Wasn't Bridge happy to be back up for half his career? Depends what wages you want to pay I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 24 February, 2013 Share Posted 24 February, 2013 Having now watched motd I feel nothing fox could've done about the pen, and the og was just a bummer. Always said fox is too slow with poor positional play anyway. Oh yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 24 February, 2013 Share Posted 24 February, 2013 Lack of awareness is the top and tail of it, always remember Graham Taylor on those Celebrity Footy games telling the Celebs that the pros are always taking mental photographs of who is where especially with the opposition. A few times this season it appears Fox still has a 35mm film camera that keeps running out of film. Blasting the ball at an acute angle straight into Jos is unforgivable, instead of realising he had time to take a touch and launch it or chest back to Boruc. The alarm bell first went of with him this season when he thought it wise to head the ball towards the centre of the box at the Etihad for the Citeh winner: at the home of the champions that was like watching Shark week on TV then slicing your hand open and jumping into a tank of Sharks. Adkins obviously saw the flaws early on and was willing to risk a nipper over an international who had been first choice all the previous season. Shame really but the Premier League is a cruel division with little margin for error or sentiment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 I read somewhere that he gets a tattoo everytime he plays **** so it reminds him to up his game. That explains it all I suppose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 It was almost inevitable that we would throw the game away by bringing on Fox. Any rival manager who has studied our match vids would idenify Fox's shortcomings as our weak link and exploit them and so it proved. I give him the benefit of the doubt with the handball, as I thought that was a bit harsh, but then he allowed the play to develop into that situation. But as for attempting a clearance by kicking the ball across the face of the goal directly towards your CB who was very close to you, well that is inexcusable. It wouldn't bother me a jot if I never saw him play for us again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 I always felt last year in the Championship that he gave the winger too much space time and time again. The club knew this and that is why we tried to sign the guy who eventually went to Man U. It was fortuitous that Luke Shaw came good as we did not appear to have anybody else on the radar. Luke is still learning and we definitely need to sign an accomplished left back in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTONS EAST SIDE Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 We asked ourselves, what players could step up in the Prem. Most have,Fox on the other hand is out of his depth in the Prem puddle!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 I'd hazard a guess that both the last manager and the current manager know a **** of a lot more about football than you and 99% of the dummy spitters on this forum and, particularly, on this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 I always felt last year in the Championship that he gave the winger too much space time and time again. The club knew this and that is why we tried to sign the guy who eventually went to Man U. It was fortuitous that Luke Shaw came good as we did not appear to have anybody else on the radar. Luke is still learning and we definitely need to sign an accomplished left back in the summer. So you'd drop Shaw back to the bench? It's a hard call. Shaw has been excellent this season, but it's a lot to ask of a 17 year old for him to perform in the Prem week in, week out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 I'd hazard a guess that both the last manager and the current manager know a **** of a lot more about football than you and 99% of the dummy spitters on this forum and, particularly, on this thread. So when two experienced managers' opinions are contrary, which one of them is right? Does a manager have to have played himself, to be capable of expressing an opinion that carries weight? Because there are a few very successful managers who haven't formerly been players. And likewise if some posters have played football albeit at quite a low level, are their opinions more valid than those who have not? Presumably your opinion is that Fox is not out of his depth in the Premiership. You are as entitled to that opinion as others are entitled to believe otherwise. Just because you are in a minority doesn't necessarily mean you are wrong any more than those who don't rate him are dummy-spitters who don't know what they are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 Jos is too and can go in the same taxi...they can share the fare Agreed. When I looked at our line up they were the two I felt were weak. They were the main culprits for our loss. We really do need to concentrate on getting a decent defender in. The rest of the team looks really good now and we have good backup from the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 It was almost inevitable that we would throw the game away by bringing on Fox. Any rival manager who has studied our match vids would idenify Fox's shortcomings as our weak link and exploit them and so it proved. I give him the benefit of the doubt with the handball, as I thought that was a bit harsh, but then he allowed the play to develop into that situation. But as for attempting a clearance by kicking the ball across the face of the goal directly towards your CB who was very close to you, well that is inexcusable. It wouldn't bother me a jot if I never saw him play for us again. The penalty was harsh but I suppose he was jumping to block the cross. As for the own goal, why the hell did he try to use his left foot to flick the ball away? It meant that he had no real control over where the ball went and ended up sideways on to the cross-shot. Any Premiership footballer should be able to use bot feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonroader07 Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 The problem with Fox is that if mentally he could cope with the Premiership he may be an adequate back up. As a footballer he'll never be first team material as his passing isn't good enough and he lacks pace which is a key attribute for a Premiership full back, but he has the ability to be a back up (Man Utd away case in point). That said mentally he panics and makes dreadful decisions that cost goals, remember against Man City away when he headed the ball back in play under no pressure, rather than play safe - same today and there are numerous other examples. I can't see that changing and I can't be the only one who fears the worst every time he comes on, I wonder if the players do too. Hoover suddenly looked all at sea as soon as Fox came on. I'd rather move Clyne over there every time and play Richardson/Cork rb, or even give Target some time. Chances are he'll make mistakes, but as Fox will as well you may as well play someone who may learn from them. This is a good post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 So when two experienced managers' opinions are contrary, which one of them is right? Does a manager have to have played himself, to be capable of expressing an opinion that carries weight? Because there are a few very successful managers who haven't formerly been players. And likewise if some posters have played football albeit at quite a low level, are their opinions more valid than those who have not? Presumably your opinion is that Fox is not out of his depth in the Premiership. You are as entitled to that opinion as others are entitled to believe otherwise. Just because you are in a minority doesn't necessarily mean you are wrong any more than those who don't rate him are dummy-spitters who don't know what they are talking about. Perhaps you haven't read the posts? "He's ****e!" "****ing Liability!" "Useless, worst in the squad!". If this isn't an over reaction, and worthy of term such as "dummy spitter", i don't know what is. OK, he had a bad day yesterday, but it happens. Certainly doesn't deserve this sort of crap. He has been good the last couple of starts he's made and is improving after the start to the season. but hey, we need a scapegoat when anything goes wrong and with Guly on the treatment table, it's got to be Fox, right? And what is this nonsense about former players becoming managers? I suppose you can read in what you like to my posts, but my point was (and i guess i have to re-iterate for you) that both managers have played him and have put faith in him. If not they would have played Clyne, Forren, Yoshida or even Richardson at LB, when Shaw isn't available. On the radio today Morgan was signing his praises. In the difficult run in we have he needs to be on his game as and when we need him and he won't be with the morons throwing mindless insults around like confetti whenever he touches the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 Perhaps you haven't read the posts? "He's ****e!" "****ing Liability!" "Useless, worst in the squad!". If this isn't an over reaction, and worthy of term such as "dummy spitter", i don't know what is. OK, he had a bad day yesterday, but it happens. Certainly doesn't deserve this sort of crap. He has been good the last couple of starts he's made and is improving after the start to the season. but hey, we need a scapegoat when anything goes wrong and with Guly on the treatment table, it's got to be Fox, right? And what is this nonsense about former players becoming managers? I suppose you can read in what you like to my posts, but my point was (and i guess i have to re-iterate for you) that both managers have played him and have put faith in him. If not they would have played Clyne, Forren, Yoshida or even Richardson at LB, when Shaw isn't available. On the radio today Morgan was signing his praises. In the difficult run in we have he needs to be on his game as and when we need him and he won't be with the morons throwing mindless insults around like confetti whenever he touches the ball. If posters think he's ****e, an effing liablity, useless, etc, that is just forthright opinion, expressed often without being backed up with a reason, but nonetheless still a valid opinion. It is equal to somebody saying that another player is a legend, pure class, genius, etc, without any back up justification. Why are those types of opinion an over reaction and labelled as coming from "dummy-spitters"? Yes, he had a bad day. One of sufficiently enough others to warrant those opinions critical of his ability, or more correctly, lack of it. Whether he had been good in other recent games is also a matter of opinion with which many would disagree. He is the weak link on the left and therefore canny managers will exploit that flank, especially with Lallana ahead of him, not tracking back enough to cover his inadequacies. Actually Guly offered more protection ahead of Fox than Lallana. Both managers have played Fox, but almost certainly through necessity, because that was a position where we should have added extra cover in the transfer window. Shaw's arrrival was a godsend and he is twice the player that Fox is, but when he is injured or tiring, or in danger of getting a second yellow, then Fox is on paper the obvious cover as a left back. But in reality I'm coming around to believing that we would have been better off with either Clyne switching and Cork going to RB, or even having Yashida at left back with Fonte replacing him, presumably fit if he was on the bench. In the difficult run in we have, our chances of survival will be greatly enhanced if he doesn't play any part in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunge Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 Danny Fox is a shocking DEFENDER, not so bad going forward but shocking at what his main responsibilty to the team is. I would honestly fear us going down if Shaw got injured and Fox had to play for the rest of the season, I'm not saying Shaw will keep us up, the point I'm making is Fox is so error prone that not only do fans fear him playing but so do his team mates, you can see the change in the way the team plays when he comes on and the opposition team as well, they know he is a weak link! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 He's done his job, now he should do it for someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 Needs to move on. Devoid of any reasonable standard of positional play or awareness. Costly player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbojones10 Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 He is awful and has been for long time, back end of last season he cost us with his pathetic positioning. He also will always allow the cross to come in from the left, hes awful and we need a proper reliable back up for shaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie Dunlop Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 Funny how everyone is saying Fox is a liability, handball was harsh some are given some are not. Own goal he is being blamed for yet no one has mentioned the player that switched off at the throw in and never tracked the player he was supposed to be marking which allowed the cross to be put in, fox going with his left foot - he is left footed which instinct is to kick with that foot, what happened after that was a calamity however lambasting one person when others failed in a simple duty is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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