Legal Challenge To The Bubble Matches

[Gemmel]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-21555294

 

 

I understand why this could be moved, but it is Saints related due to what happened last season.

 

I go to most (70%) of away matches but didn't go to fratton park on principle.

 

Will be intresting to see the outcome.

[Saint_clark]

I actually thought the bubble trip was very well handled and it clearly worked as there wasn't any trouble - at all. And this is coming from someone who lives outside of Southampton and so had to travel in just to get on the coach.

[jawillwill]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-21555294

 

 

I understand why this could be moved, but it is Saints related due to what happened last season.

 

I go to most (70%) of away matches but didn't go to fratton park on principle.

 

Will be intresting to see the outcome.

 

As an 11 year old he went to China to watch Hull and did whatever he wanted to do? Looking at his picture, I reckon there's a good chance that he's one of the people that suddenly thinks he's well 'ard on derby days and would go around giving it large on derby days. He only has himself to blame for the restrictions.

 

I actually thought the bubble trip was very well handled and it clearly worked as there wasn't any trouble - at all. And this is coming from someone who lives outside of Southampton and so had to travel in just to get on the coach.

 

Yes, but you live i Weymouth which means you pretty much had to go through Southampton en-route anyway. How would you feel if you lived in Portsmouth (other than violently ill because of it)?

 

FWIW, while not ideal, I think because of the way a minority of people seem to act on derby days, it is probably necessary and it has become a well oiled operation. That said, it doesn't completely eliminate the potential for trouble and does make the fans sitting ducks as you get closer to the ground.

 

Let's be honest, it'll never affect Saints again anyway, what with Pompey being ****/as good as dead. Shame really.

[dubai_phil]

Surely it cannot be beyond the wit of man to have a system (similar to that used with coach travel tickets for Glastonbury) where supervised coach stops are provided and the tickets are issued on the coach to sober & ID holding supporters.

 

With the skate bubble game a pickup location in Basingstoke or Winchester and perhaps between Brighton & skatesmuff could have been arranged? Seeing as people would have had to pay extra transport costs anyway, a small premium on the travel cost should have been possible.

 

After all with you guys having so many "Green Laws" someone should have been able to prove you were murdering the planet by having to drive silly distances.

 

Oh, sorry, what was I thinking. Such a suggestion inferred that the OB would have some spare brain cells between them.

 

Apologies, as you were.

[Graffito]

A legal challenge will be expensive and probably time consuming. I doubt this boy's paying for it out of his pocket money so someone must be behind it. The FSF has had a legal team ready to go on this issue but a challenge has had to come from an individual. I wonder whether a decision subject to Judicial Review will mean the match cannot proceed (unless the bubble is dropped). A decision against the police could have major implications for the policing of demonstrations.

[Wes Tender]

I'm not at all surprised that these arrangements for certain matches deemed to be high risk for fans' violence are to be challenged legally. They fly in the face of the basic freedoms of individuals, so are indefensible. In the case of the Skates v Saints match, it was patently ludicrous that somebody living in say Brighton or Chichester had to make their way to Southampton to board a coach to Portsmouth and then do the whole thing again in reverse to get home. Under those circumstances I do not see a court finding in favour of the Police and their ridiculous attempt to clamp down on all football fans just because they don't feel able to control the few yobs by conventional methods.

[brmbrm]

 

After all with you guys having so many "Green Laws" someone should have been able to prove you were murdering the planet by having to drive silly distances.

 

 

WTF is this all about? This your idea of intelligent debate about global warming? Well to be honest it makes more sense than most of the anti-arguments.

 

Which doesn't really say much

[Tamesaint]

I would not be surprised if a legal challenge against the bubbles was to win but I thoroughly enjoyed the bubble. It got me safe and sound to and from the match and was a great laugh along the way.

 

 

Best pantomime l have ever attended.

[Saint_clark]

Yes, but you live i Weymouth which means you pretty much had to go through Southampton en-route anyway. How would you feel if you lived in Portsmouth (other than violently ill because of it)?

 

FWIW, while not ideal, I think because of the way a minority of people seem to act on derby days, it is probably necessary and it has become a well oiled operation. That said, it doesn't completely eliminate the potential for trouble and does make the fans sitting ducks as you get closer to the ground.

 

Let's be honest, it'll never affect Saints again anyway, what with Pompey being ****/as good as dead. Shame really.

 

I do think that, seeing as these are police-enforced restrictions, that a system should be put in place so that anyone who has to pay an extra amount to get to the coaches than they normally would on a match day should get compensated the amount of the travel. Like those who lived in Portsmouth having to get the train would get the money back for their ticket, but people like me who would have had to travel to Southampton anyway wouldn't get anything.

[de-fence]

As an 11 year old he went to China to watch Hull and did whatever he wanted to do? Looking at his picture, I reckon there's a good chance that he's one of the people that suddenly thinks he's well 'ard on derby days and would go around giving it large on derby days. He only has himself to blame for the restrictions.

 

Have to laugh at times when reading some of the nonsense spouted on this forum. So you have seen him, perhaps observed that he looks a little overweight and as such decided he gives it large on away days and so it is his fault anyway. As there is no grounding WHATSOEVER for that wild assumption of yours the link you've essentially made is he looks overweight so fan restrictions are his own fault. I'd take the fact that he's only 15 yet going through a solicitor to resolve a national problem as much stronger evidence for the fact that maybe he is actually a fairly upstanding citizen.

[Saint_clark]

A legal challenge will be expensive and probably time consuming. I doubt this boy's paying for it out of his pocket money so someone must be behind it. The FSF has had a legal team ready to go on this issue but a challenge has had to come from an individual. I wonder whether a decision subject to Judicial Review will mean the match cannot proceed (unless the bubble is dropped). A decision against the police could have major implications for the policing of demonstrations.

 

The FSF was asking for someone on here who had to travel out of their way to get to St Marys for the Pompey game to come forward so they could "use them" for a legal challenge.

[cryoman1965]

The job of the police is to ensure the safety of the general public and the last saints p,,,pey bubble succeeded in that respect. The safety of the police also has to be considered. The bubble is a good option for the high risk games that exist around the country.

The lads objection seems to be around the fact he has to travel past the event to get the bus back, very much what has been mentioned already on here regard the saints game. I don't see the bubble being cancelled but a compromise on pick up points being agreed.

[JPTCount]

nipper needs a slap

 

and the china comment, lulz

[Graffito]

The FSF was asking for someone on here who had to travel out of their way to get to St Marys for the Pompey game to come forward so they could "use them" for a legal challenge.

 

They asked me. I guess they asked others too.

[UpweySaint]

This comes along with the same ideas as the football specific trains. I understand the logic but it does seem to rather tar everyone with the same brush as violent pi**ed up sods. Personally i'm not based in portsmouth a ten minute walk from fratton park so coming to southampton by train to sit and wait for a coach seems nonsenical! (should we ever get the chance to play them again!)

[hypochondriac]

I had no problem with the bubble. I was safe, got to watch the game and had a laugh.

[Baldbarbarian]

I hope he or whoever is backing him has the finances for the legal challenge, will get costly

[Denzil]

Watching people p!ss into crisp packets was the highlight of the day.

[swannymere]

I know what will happen, he'll win, go to the match under his own steam, then get set upon by some muppets and will sue the police for failing to protect him.

[Ash]

The job of the police is to ensure the safety of the general public and the last saints p,,,pey bubble succeeded in that respect. The safety of the police also has to be considered. The bubble is a good option for the high risk games that exist around the country.

Lol. They should just arrest everybody then, for fear that they go on to hurt someone.

Following football is not a crime. These bus trips are bull****.

[VectisSaint]

There was a bit on the TV news about this earlier in the week, Hull playing Huddersfield away if I recall correctly. Two clubs with some of the lowest football banning orders in the country and who are not really rivals. People had already bought tickets and made arrangements (its on Easter weekend I think). Football Supporters representative claimed it was the first time in this country this method was being used, which I thought at the time was ******. Seems a complete nonsense, and it is anightmare of a journey for some Hull supporters who live further south. Just shows OB in this country still has view that all football supporters are criminal until proven otherwise, despite all the evidence to the contrary. The bubble is ridiculous, although if it could be improved for fierce rivalries such as Saints and Skates it may have some worth, but Hull v Huddersfield, plain stupid.

[Tamesaint]

Watching people p!ss into crisp packets was the highlight of the day.

 

Was that the half time entertainment? Certainly beats kids running round the pitch in a relay race.

Edited 24 February, 2013 by Tamesaint

[Tom8558]

I think that the lad has a point, but because of the game that is the bubble is being used for, not the principle. According to AA route planner its 74 miles from Hull to Huddersfield. Given where Hull is, there must be other supporters who live in East Yorkshire who are similarly inconvenienced.

 

The bubble is sensible measure for certain local derbies - Saints v Pompey, Burnley v Blackburn, Cardiff v Swansea etc - which have history of problems, and it greatly reduces the risk of trouble.

 

Seems that there has been an absence of common sense on this one.

[DrZuess1979 the 2nd]

An 11 year old with his own solicitor

What's the world coming to lol

[Saint_clark]

Was that the half time enttertainment? Certainly beats kids running round the pitch in a relay race.

 

Their lotto draw thing was f*cking brilliant.

"And now the grand prize of....£128".

 

Que chants of "Now you can buy the club" from Saints fans.

[Thedelldays]

if football fans didnt generally act like a bunch of helmets then there would be no need for the bubble in the first place

[lordswoodsaints]

I also refused to travel in the bubble and got a seat in with the unwashed few,and if it our paths cross again I will do the same.

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

**** the old bill,let the lazy ****s work for their money for a change.

[UpweySaint]

if football fans didnt generally act like a bunch of helmets then there would be no need for the bubble in the first place

 

As a rule of thumb most dont these days. There always will be a minority who aint really there for the football or cant handle their second pint but I imagine that happens at any event or in any town centre on a saturday afternoon. Why football fans are being treated, imho, harshly in this day and age is beyond me!

[aintforever]

Hope he succeeds, the bubble was boring, uncomfortable and sh!te, no surprise some on here enjoyed it. I wouldn't do it again, it's no fun sitting next to a bunch of lads being forced to p!ss into a coke bottle.