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We have been in the bottom half all season and suddenly with 12 matches to go we are going to make a push into the top 10. The new manager has had very encouraging performances with quite mixed results and I can see us improving under him. The remit this season was always survival and the only people thinking we should make the top 10 are on Saints Forum or sat in the chairman's office at Southampton FC.

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I believe the highest they were was 7th, so they've dropped a massive 4 places since September and not dropped any place at all for 2 months. Hardly sliding down the table. Sunderland were 18th after 15 games, they are now 13th and should be aiming for 5th by some of you lots reakoning what with their rocket up the table of 5 whole places in 3 months.

 

Not sure what you are trying to argue here. What has been said is "We were a long way behind Westham after 10 games now we are much closer as our form has been better than theirs over the last 15 games"! FACT Ergo, if our relative forms continue for the next 12 games 10th place is possible! A sensible conclusion under the circumstances and given the facts available END OF!

 

You believe we wont finish 10th under any circumstances. That is your opinion and you are entitled to it! Others believe it is possible even if not probable! That is their opinion and they are entitled to it too! So why do you have to believe anyone who holds an opinion contradictory to yours is somehow inferior to you in intellect?

 

Hey, if football was certain it would be so boring and would we be supporters?

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Imo I think barring an exceptional run tenth is probably the highest we can expect to finish this season which with the start we had is quite good ! Anyone else think we could push a little higher ?

 

IMO we will do well to stay up, I think (and hope) 16th / 15th will be our finish.

 

This being said Reading seem to have found a bit of form and Newcastle look better now with new singings and some players back form injury so the main thing now is to make sure we don't take our foot of the pedal, keep playing well and take our chances.

 

I know we beat Man city in our last game but most teams have a shock result once a season and city looked like a championship side that day at best, take nothing away from the boys though as played very well.

 

Obviously we would all like to finish as high as possible but IMO 10th is miles off, would be nice though.

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Not sure what you are trying to argue here. What has been said is "We were a long way behind Westham after 10 games now we are much closer as our form has been better than theirs over the last 15 games"! FACT Ergo, if our relative forms continue for the next 12 games 10th place is possible! A sensible conclusion under the circumstances and given the facts available END OF!

 

You believe we wont finish 10th under any circumstances. That is your opinion and you are entitled to it! Others believe it is possible even if not probable! That is their opinion and they are entitled to it too! So why do you have to believe anyone who holds an opinion contradictory to yours is somehow inferior to you in intellect?

 

Hey, if football was certain it would be so boring and would we be supporters?

 

I thought it would be quite obvious, the claims that we are in an amazing run of form and rocketing up the table and west ham and Norwich are crap and both sliding down the table. the reality is that all 3 clubs are in more or less the same position now as they were 2 months ago, despite us apparently being amazing and them being crap.

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I thought it would be quite obvious, the claims that we are in an amazing run of form and rocketing up the table and west ham and Norwich are crap and both sliding down the table. the reality is that all 3 clubs are in more or less the same position now as they were 2 months ago, despite us apparently being amazing and them being crap.

 

Fair point but over the last 15 games, I would hazard a guess without checking, that we have accumulated more points than either Westham or Norwich and extrapolating that relative form over the remaining 12 games, COULD see us in mid table and above both! That I believe is a possible scenario, however should our form dip and theirs and others pick up, then of course, we are back in the not unfamliar relegation dog fight!

 

For evidence refer to current form table

http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2012-2013/form-table/full

 

and Custom table for last 15 matches

http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2012-2013/custom-table

 

Edit note we have just 3 losses in our last 15 pretty amazing really!

 

It will be an intersting last 30% of the season!

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Fair point but over the last 15 games, I would hazard a guess without checking, that we have accumulated more points than either Westham or Norwich and extrapolating that reltive form over the remaining 12 games could see us in mid table and above both! That I believe is a possible scenario, however should our form dip and theirs and others pick up then of course we are back in the not unfamliar relegation dog fight!

 

It will be an intersting last 30% of the season!

 

If only the table only included the last 15 games and not the whole season.:rolleyes:

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Too true

 

Check that tables added to my post above now!

 

So what? The season lasts 38 games, we've played 26, not 15. Reading are above is n the form table, maybe they'll finish 10th? if they go down do you think the FA will accept them doing really well for 6 games in Jan and Feb as a reason to keep them up?

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We won't finish 10th this season, I think the highest we can manage taking everything into account is 12th or 13th, and that'd be a stretch. 14th or 15th this season is fantastic, double promotees and all that, and next season we can start to build up to bigger things.

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You do realise you are talking bo llocks and West Ham and Norwich aren't dropping down the table quickly. West Ham are 11th, Excactly where they were on New Year's Day and Norwich have slid a massive 2 places since then and have been between 12th and 16th for most of the season, so neither dropping down the table pretty quickly at all.

Norwich are my surprise prediction for the 3rd relegation spot. You heard it here first.

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11th is easily within reach, 3 points adrift is nothing, especially as we have to play most of the teams between us and 11th between now and the end of the season, beat them and the gap disappears even if we only match them in remaining fixtures. 10th may be a step too far, but in the end 6 points and Wet Sham are on a very poor run, even if they have not dropped (m)any places. I would predict though that we might end up 13th or 14th, which would be a reasonable finishing position in our first season back in the PL.

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11th is easily within reach, 3 points adrift is nothing, especially as we have to play most of the teams between us and 11th between now and the end of the season, beat them and the gap disappears even if we only match them in remaining fixtures. 10th may be a step too far, but in the end 6 points and Wet Sham are on a very poor run, even if they have not dropped (m)any places. I would predict though that we might end up 13th or 14th, which would be a reasonable finishing position in our first season back in the PL.

they why have we struggled to be 15th ALL season...?

 

you make out that in 12 games to go the teams above us wont win games...when they will

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So what? The season lasts 38 games, we've played 26, not 15. Reading are above is n the form table, maybe they'll finish 10th? if they go down do you think the FA will accept them doing really well for 6 games in Jan and Feb as a reason to keep them up?

 

Turkish we all know the season lasts 38 games! what we are saying is since the first 10 games we have had a good run far better than others and if it it continues we may will finish above Norwich and Westham. It is not certain but it is possible! it is also possible reading could too but less likely as they havr further to make up!

 

We are talking probabilites and possibilites here not certainties!

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Turkish we all know the season lasts 38 games! what we are saying is since the first 10 games we have had a good run far better than others and if it it continues we may will finish above Norwich and Westham. It is not certain but it is possible! it is also possible reading could too but less likely as they havr further to make up!

 

We are talking probabilites and possibilites here not certainties!

 

So why do you keep banging on about the last 15 games then? Why not the last 3 or 6 or 18 or 21? Any team anywhere can go on a bit of a run and Claim they cold have done better over a full season, Reading are in better form than us over the lag 6, therefore they could say by rights that they could finish above us if they carry on their current form. Despite claims on here as to how terrible West Ham are and how they are sliding down the table they are exactly where they were 2 months ago, 11th place, no amount of cherry picking amounts of games changes this.

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So why do you keep banging on about the last 15 games then? Why not the last 3 or 6 or 18 or 21? Any team anywhere can go on a bit of a run and Claim they cold have done better over a full season, Reading are in better form than us over the lag 6, therefore they could say by rights that they could finish above us if they carry on their current form. Despite claims on here as to how terrible West Ham are and how they are sliding down the table they are exactly where they were 2 months ago, 11th place, no amount of cherry picking amounts of games changes this.

 

15 games is not a bit of a run it is almost half a season! Also we had an exceptionally poor baptism and tough run of games to start and took time to find our feet.

What has been said is if we keep up our present form there is a distinct possibility we can climb to mid table! If you dont agree then fine. Reading is irrelevant to this argument! There is a possibility they may climb too however they are starting from behind us and just got crushed today by a wigan side we outplayed! So the probability of them moving up to mid table is less than that for Saints! Just ask the bookies for the odds!

sure westahm are still in 11th now the question is where will they be after 38 games they have been on the slide and their football is dire and they are now within reach! will we overtake them? It is possible and the next 12 games will tell!

 

I understand and respect your view that we cannot possibly get to tenth or overtake the likes of Norwich and Westham, so why can't you understand my view that it is possible even if not probable and leave it at that?

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Reckon 8 game current form is good gauge as to where team is, current squad, form confidence etc.

 

Clearly start if season counts to final table but anyone with half a brain could see that that wasn't how we were going to continue.

 

We had hard fixtures, bad performances, naivety, bad luck, learning the higher level league etc.

 

We didn't have Yoshida, Ramirez, Boric and Forren.

 

Shaw and Cork later came in.

 

Rodriguez improved....as most thought he would.

 

If you did custom table after Arsenal away, or Cork/Shaw, or Boric getting back to speed that would show how we are performing and likely to finish.

 

Last 8 games, points per game, used as prediction for rest of season would give you a fair prediction for final table.

 

Not looked, may work it out later.

 

Stick with my consistent season long predictions...safe well before end of season and good chance above west ham.

 

Think dell days mocked...but couldn't we potentially be above west ham tomorrow?

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Reckon 8 game current form is good gauge as to where team is, current squad, form confidence etc.

 

Clearly start if season counts to final table but anyone with half a brain could see that that wasn't how we were going to continue.

 

We had hard fixtures, bad performances, naivety, bad luck, learning the higher level league etc.

 

We didn't have Yoshida, Ramirez, Boric and Forren.

 

Shaw and Cork later came in.

 

Rodriguez improved....as most thought he would.

 

If you did custom table after Arsenal away, or Cork/Shaw, or Boric getting back to speed that would show how we are performing and likely to finish.

 

Last 8 games, points per game, used as prediction for rest of season would give you a fair prediction for final table.

 

Not looked, may work it out later.

 

Stick with my consistent season long predictions...safe well before end of season and good chance above west ham.

 

Think dell days mocked...but couldn't we potentially be above west ham tomorrow?

 

Yes we could in theory if we win and they lose! But we are told Westham are as likely to go down as Manchester United Apparently so getting above them will make us as safe as Man U by that argument, even though the Hammers are playing dire long ball football and are bottom of very form table since the first ten games, and despite Turkish insisting they have been 11th forever! I see they are now 13th and begining to slip!

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15 games is not a bit of a run it is almost half a season! Also we had an exceptionally poor baptism and tough run of games to start and took time to find our feet.

What has been said is if we keep up our present form there is a distinct possibility we can climb to mid table! If you dont agree then fine. Reading is irrelevant to this argument! There is a possibility they may climb too however they are starting from behind us and just got crushed today by a wigan side we outplayed! So the probability of them moving up to mid table is less than that for Saints! Just ask the bookies for the odds!

sure westahm are still in 11th now the question is where will they be after 38 games they have been on the slide and their football is dire and they are now within reach! will we overtake them? It is possible and the next 12 games will tell!

 

I understand and respect your view that we cannot possibly get to tenth or overtake the likes of Norwich and Westham, so why can't you understand my view that it is possible even if not probable and leave it at that?

 

Why stop at 15 games then? Why not measure our performance over the last 26 games and 2/3s of the season where over this period we are 15th and behind the terrible Norwich and West Ham.

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Reckon 8 game current form is good gauge as to where team is, current squad, form confidence etc.

 

Clearly start if season counts to final table but anyone with half a brain could see that that wasn't how we were going to continue.

 

We had hard fixtures, bad performances, naivety, bad luck, learning the higher level league etc.

 

We didn't have Yoshida, Ramirez, Boric and Forren.

 

Shaw and Cork later came in.

 

Rodriguez improved....as most thought he would.

 

If you did custom table after Arsenal away, or Cork/Shaw, or Boric getting back to speed that would show how we are performing and likely to finish.

 

Last 8 games, points per game, used as prediction for rest of season would give you a fair prediction for final table.

 

Not looked, may work it out later.

 

Stick with my consistent season long predictions...safe well before end of season and good chance above west ham.

 

Think dell days mocked...but couldn't we potentially be above west ham tomorrow?

 

That would be an outstanding performance by our league one squad.

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10th? **** me some people are getting ahead of themselves...

 

Supposing we drew tomorrow that would leave us 5 points from 10th and 4 points above the drop zone. Pretty much in the middle with some awful teams below us and some average teams above. There's no reason to think we can't match the form of Norwich, Stoke and Fulham over the course of our relatively kind run in.

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Supposing we drew tomorrow that would leave us 5 points from 10th and 4 points above the drop zone. Pretty much in the middle with some awful teams below us and some average teams above. There's no reason to think we can't match the form of Norwich, Stoke and Fulham over the course of our relatively kind run in.

 

It wouldn't be much of an achievement to match Norwich, according to some on here they are in dire form and sliding down the table, one even said they are going down.

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Supposing we drew tomorrow that would leave us 5 points from 10th and 4 points above the drop zone. Pretty much in the middle with some awful teams below us and some average teams above. There's no reason to think we can't match the form of Norwich, Stoke and Fulham over the course of our relatively kind run in.

 

For every reason you believe we can finish 10th there is a reason we can finish bottom.

 

'One game at a time' springs to mind.

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For every reason you believe we can finish 10th there is a reason we can finish bottom.

 

'One game at a time' springs to mind.

 

Are you genuinely suggesting that making up 6 points on Stoke is as likely surrendering 10 to QPR?

 

QPR are dreadful, they've won 2 games all season. They will need to win 4 or the bounce JUST to get to where we are now. If we finish below them I will throw myself off the Itchen Bridge, whilst every journalist in the country is busy ripping his cock off over how Redknapp is the second coming of Christ.

 

10th is a realistic aim. No reason we should be looking over our shoulders all season. If we play like we did against Man City, we will beat the likes of QPR, Newcastle, Norwich and Reading in the next few weeks. We've also got West Ham, Stoke and West Brom at St Marys. No reason at all we can't win 4 of those 7 games and that's us safe on 39 points.

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It wouldn't be much of an achievement to match Norwich, according to some on here they are in dire form and sliding down the table, one even said they are going down.

 

There is life outside this forum, and proving that you may be better than other people who post here ...

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A win today and we move up to 11th ???Maybe not . Not sure why some seem to think its possible to jump 3 places in one game but impossible to go up more more place with a third of the season still to go.

To early in the morning, can't read the league table with blurry eyes

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A win today and we move up to 11th. Not sure why some seem to think its possible to jump 3 places in one game but impossible to go up more more place with a third of the season still to go.

 

 

One of the reasons might be the small fact that even if we win ten nil today, we don't move up to eleventh.

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Just like your stonewall prediction that Reading would win yesterday? I don't like to get involved in this pettiness but your arrogance really is grating.

 

It wasn't a 'stonewall prediction' I merely felt that Reading would win one game. I didn't add self promoting comments like 'you heard it here first' to endorse my view.

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Tenner says your first thought when reading that was to put 'I don't like to get involved' in bold and write below, well don't then

 

No it wasn't actually, I'll PM you my PayPal details to make the payment. It was if my arrogance is grating to you just image how grating the majority of posters deluded, blind, biased and nonsensical optimism, whining and squinying is to me.

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It wasn't a 'stonewall prediction' I merely felt that Reading would win one game.

 

Don't know why you didn't follow Mark Lawrenson's prediction. After all he is uch a great pundit , completely above criticism.

 

Do you know he got all the scores right yesterday??

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LLLDLDDDW

 

Hardly stunning form (that is just league form as well, so doesn't include losing with a strong line-up against a non-league team in the FA Cup)

 

Cherry picking a random amount of games to prove your point like a lot of the other divs on here I see. Welcome back, I've missed you.

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