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Seriously; what is likely to happen that is so bad? What is the extra risk factor to allowing someone to have a beer in their seat? What extra damage is likely?

 

The odds would rise on something happening that we are all on about compared to not allowing drink in the stands...

 

To which end. I can't see the FA allowing it

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I'm sorry, why would it be necessary?

 

You can drink in the pubs and at half time. Why extend it, why make the risk of anything happening bigger?

 

It would be a needless measure that would only cater to those that would seek to abuse it. Those that actually come to watch football wouldn't care less and those that make a session of it would simply see it as a chance to get more of that. Those that live to emulate darker times would abuse it to the hilt.

 

No need, just no need.

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Crowd trouble and the legacy it could bring is enough.

 

A family club can become a rabble in seconds.

 

At least if this idea comes in it would be all clubs in one go rather then just one. What a relief!

 

Why extra crowd trouble? What would be the cause? Alcohol is already available for sale in pubs before the game, its already available in the ground before the game and throughout. You're not explaining this; what would be the trigger point? If people want to get ****ed, they'll likely have done that already before the game. And there are already rules to eject those who are too intoxicated; that would continue.

 

I find it massively close minded by those who have their own preconceived notions of others and want laws enacted because of it. And your whole "if you can't go without a drink for 45 minutes" logic is a complete nonsense; its like saying rugby should ban booze during the game because its really sad if the punters there can't go without a drink.

 

Serious people within football think this is a realistic proposition, are open minded, and really that society has moved on in the last few years. If it doesn't work then shame on us, and it gets repealed immediately. Quite why there's such a dedication to not even giving it a go is beyond me.

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I'm sorry, why would it be necessary?

 

You can drink in the pubs and at half time. Why extend it, why make the risk of anything happening bigger?

 

It would be a needless measure that would only cater to those that would seek to abuse it. Those that actually come to watch football wouldn't care less and those that make a session of it would simply see it as a chance to get more of that. Those that live to emulate darker times would abuse it to the hilt.

 

No need, just no need.

 

Why are you trying to impose your own beliefs and preferences on others? Not everyone (thankfully) thinks the same way as you.

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Why extra crowd trouble? What would be the cause? Alcohol is already available for sale in pubs before the game, its already available in the ground before the game and throughout. You're not explaining this; what would be the trigger point?

 

The football match itself.

 

It's more tribal then rugby and attracts the worst side of many otherwise rational human beings.

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Why are you trying to impose your own beliefs and preferences on others? Not everyone (thankfully) thinks the same way as you.

 

And why are you? I thought this was a debate, a place for opinion to be heard. My own opinion is just that.... Why react so strongly to it Kraken?

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The football match itself.

 

It's more tribal then rugby and attracts the worst side of many otherwise rational human beings.

 

Seriously, why? People can have as much as they want pre-match, and do. They can neck pints at half time, and do. I'm not getting why this would be so much worse. In all likelihood what will happen is less of a rush to get down at half time, and people not necking their pints but drinking them over a longer period. I'm not seeing where the huge extra problems will come.

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On what? This is making no sense. What would be so, so much worse than the situation allows for now?

 

Ok. Right now there are almost no incidents of beer being thrown at anyone

 

Allow it to the stands, the chances increase.

 

I know anything could be thrown but the pictures of a plastic pint being thrown at the opposing fans is not good for Brand Premier League or for the FA

 

Not that I agree but the odds only increase if you allow booze in the stands in a charged atmosphere

 

So that is why I think the FA just won't allow it

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Seriously, why? People can have as much as they want pre-match, and do. They can neck pints at half time, and do. I'm not getting why this would be so much worse. In all likelihood what will happen is less of a rush to get down at half time, and people not necking their pints but drinking them over a longer period. I'm not seeing where the huge extra problems will come.

 

Human beings are unpredictable creatures. I have seen otherwise rational individuals become idiots thanks to drink. And football is a polarising element that exasperates this behaviour. There are people who will both have a drinking problem... and be partisan that will abuse the prospect of being able to drink on the terraces.

 

I don't want that possibility.

 

I hope I am being too cynical, really, but I cannot see how it cannot end in something bad.

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And why are you? I thought this was a debate, a place for opinion to be heard. My own opinion is just that.... Why react so strongly to it Kraken?

 

You've already said you don't want the law changed. That's not a debate or a chance to see if it works. You've made your mind up.

 

I'm saying, give it a try. If it doesn't work, change it back.

 

I don't like having my freedoms pushed on me by a regulation-happy nation. I'm intelligent enough to not make an arse of myself and abuse a downgrading of regulations to make match going a bit less animalistic, and respectful of the customer. And I think, as stupid as some of our fanbase our, they deserve a chance to show that football fans are not the same demographic as in the 80s, and that we can move on and have some decent rules as they already do in beer loving countries such as Germany where the fan experience is deemed as among the best in the workd right now.

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Ok. Right now there are almost no incidents of beer being thrown at anyone

 

Allow the to the stands, the chances increase.

 

I know anything could be thrown but the pictures of a plastic pint being thrown at the opposing fans is not good for Brand Premier League or for the FA

 

Not that I agree but the odds only increase if you allow booze in the stands in a charges atmosphere

 

So that is why I think the FA just won't allow it

 

Well I'm sorry but I don't agree. Apart from the part about the FA not allowing it, they're a bunch of backwards old farts so anything changing for the good is thoroughly unlikely.

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You've already said you don't want the law changed. That's not a debate or a chance to see if it works. You've made your mind up.

 

I'm saying, give it a try. If it doesn't work, change it back.

 

I don't like having my freedoms pushed on me by a regulation-happy nation. I'm intelligent enough to not make an arse of myself and abuse a downgrading of regulations to make match going a bit less animalistic, and respectful of the customer. And I think, as stupid as some of our fanbase our, they deserve a chance to show that football fans are not the same demographic as in the 80s, and that we can move on and have some decent rules as they already do in beer loving countries such as Germany where the fan experience is deemed as among the best in the workd right now.

 

I hope your idealism isn't falsely placed.

 

I do not trust the British public, having been to Germany, the mentality of the two countries is different.

 

Germany is a country where they trust you to buy train tickets and they don't check.

It is also a country without fences around industrial estates, because people respect the property.

 

There is, from my own experience a mutual respect in German culture that doesn't exist here.

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I hope your idealism isn't falsely placed.

 

I do not trust the British public, having been to Germany, the mentality of the two countries is different.

 

Germany is a country where they trust you to buy train tickets and they don't check.

It is also a country without fences around industrial estates, because people respect the property.

 

There is, from my own experience a mutual respect in German culture that doesn't exist here.

 

I don't agree. And I've lived in Germany, so I've got a decent basis for comparison.

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Answer me this one. You don't think its a good idea for top leagues to allow booze. Fair enough, we'll move on.

 

Last spring/summer I went a couple of times to watch my mate play footy for Romsey Town. On one occasion a few of us went, and it was a glorious sunny day. At half time we bought ourselves a pint from the club bar, and we wanted to buy another afterwards to take out and watch the game. We weren't allowed to do this, due to the alcohol regulations. We couldn't sit at the bunch of picnic tables outside the front of the bar, we would have to have stayed in the clubhouse.

 

Now, does that really make much sense to you? Do you really believe there is no way that regulations could/should be relaxed on a game by game basis, and perhaps show a little common sense here or there?

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Answer me this one. You don't think its a good idea for top leagues to allow booze. Fair enough, we'll move on.

 

Last spring/summer I went a couple of times to watch my mate play footy for Romsey Town. On one occasion a few of us went, and it was a glorious sunny day. At half time we bought ourselves a pint from the club bar, and we wanted to buy another afterwards to take out and watch the game. We weren't allowed to do this, due to the alcohol regulations. We couldn't sit at the bunch of picnic tables outside the front of the bar, we would have to have stayed in the clubhouse.

 

Now, does that really make much sense to you? Do you really believe there is no way that regulations could/should be relaxed on a game by game basis, and perhaps show a little common sense here or there?

 

Are you seriously comparing the fan tensions of the Premier League to the Wessex Premier League?

 

In that example, yes, a little daft. But in the context of Southampton Football Club, irrelevant.

 

And Munich... the part of Germany I love, the bars around Marienplatz, even around the area I stayed in near Machtlfingerstrasse. Been there many times, and a far more respectful part of the world then any part of England I have ever seen.

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Are you seriously comparing the fan tensions of the Premier League to the Wessex Premier League?

 

In that example, yes, a little daft. But in the context of Southampton Football Club, irrelevant.

 

P.S. Which part of Germany did you live in, i'm genuinely curious....

 

Yes I am comparing it. Because its exactly the same law. Exactly the same one, for clubs from the Premier League down to the local leagues. It shows how rigid and inflexible the law is.

 

I'd be the first to agree that allowing booze in a game against Pompey at St. Mary's would probably not be a great idea. I already agree with the concept of closing pubs beforehand, of having the bubble in place. But I also think its a complete nonsense to have such a rigid law in place covering all. In the exec boxes, for instance, which are nowhere near the away fans in most cases. In the corporate lounges too, its a law that makes little sense to me.

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They could easily have alcohol free areas like in cricket so people like Colinjb who are terrified of flying plastic beer glasses can sit in safety.

 

Indeed. If throwing glasses is truly the fear, then the blocks next to away fans are alchohol free; there we go, problem solved.

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Yes I am comparing it. Because its exactly the same law. Exactly the same one, for clubs from the Premier League down to the local leagues. It shows how rigid and inflexible the law is.

 

I'd be the first to agree that allowing booze in a game against Pompey at St. Mary's would probably not be a great idea. I already agree with the concept of closing pubs beforehand, of having the bubble in place. But I also think its a complete nonsense to have such a rigid law in place covering all. In the exec boxes, for instance, which are nowhere near the away fans in most cases. In the corporate lounges too, its a law that makes little sense to me.

 

I see the point you are making, but where do you draw the line, how do you be certain that allowing alcohol in one game is ok, but not for another.... And I mean 100% certain....

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Indeed. If throwing glasses is truly the fear, then the blocks next to away fans are alchohol free; there we go, problem solved.

 

It's not a fear is it

 

You know as well as the next man that the FA don't want a single picture of a plastic beer glass type thingy being thrown at someone beamed all over the world

 

Not saying throwing a coin is any different but drinking and football brings back many memories and wrong perception.

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I see the point you are making, but where do you draw the line, how do you be certain that allowing alcohol in one game is ok, but not for another.... And I mean 100% certain....

 

You can never eliminate risk. There is risk inherent in everything. You can't go taking all coins off match going punters, for instance, just in case they start chucking them at the opposition.

 

I just think there's a possibility of trying different measures out. If our fans decide to act like complete dinlos, then abolish it and say "well we gave you the opportunity, you blew it". I think its worth a try, at the very least.

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It's not a fear is it

 

You know as well as the next man that the FA don't want a single picture of a plastic beer glass type thingy being thrown at someone beamed all over the world

 

Not saying throwing a coin is any different but drinking and football brings back many memories and wrong perception.

 

As aintforever suggested; have non-alcohol zones next to the away fans if that's going to be a genuine concern.

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Could you not read it DellDays? The same law applies for both, hence the comparison. You're the one championing that law being in place, not I.

 

Where am I?

 

I have continuously stated that what the fA are thinking in this

 

Personally, after reading all this, it would not bother me either way. The same as smokers in the stands, or allowing casual racism in the stands.

 

It does lot effect my life so could not care.

 

But on the topic of the OP, I can see why the FA won't allow it. Not that I agree

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Indeed. If throwing glasses is truly the fear, then the blocks next to away fans are alchohol free; there we go, problem solved.

 

In theory allowing alcohol in some areas and not others could actually assist crowd control. Put the booze area the opposite side of the ground to the away fans and the rowdy element would move there, making confrontation less likely.

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You can never eliminate risk. There is risk inherent in everything. You can't go taking all coins off match going punters, for instance, just in case they start chucking them at the opposition.

 

I just think there's a possibility of trying different measures out. If our fans decide to act like complete dinlos, then abolish it and say "well we gave you the opportunity, you blew it". I think its worth a try, at the very least.

 

Fair enough.

 

Personally speaking, I am cynical enough to think the chance will be wasted. I'm pretty sure you guessed that already though.

 

I would love to be proven wrong but can't see it.

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In theory allowing alcohol in some areas and not others could actually assist crowd control. Put the booze area the opposite side of the ground to the away fans and the rowdy element would move there, making confrontation less likely.

 

Thinking about it; are there many other clubs that base their main home end around where the away fans are? We seem to be a minority in that regard, and the home end gets decimated when we play FA Cup games due to the extra away allocation. It would be a decent introduction to have a complete stadium rethink and turn the Chapel into a proper home end.

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We go to a lot of cricket but sit in the "dry" areas as we have kids with us.

 

Where are these located? I've been to the Rose Bowl a few times but never noticed a dry section. Good idea of course, and shows what's possible in football if boozing near the away fans is really seen as the bulk of the problem.

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Where are these located? I've been to the Rose Bowl a few times but never noticed a dry section. Good idea of course, and shows what's possible in football if boozing near the away fans is really seen as the bulk of the problem.

 

Could make the chapel a drinking area. Might liven it up a bit ;)

 

Stella on tap

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I dont see why some people are making it so complicated and certain it would cause trouble. It's quite simple to enforce. No booze for the areas near the away fans, no booze for high risk games where clubs with a bit of a rep for trouble. You basically make blocks 1-3 and some of the northam no booze zones, Everywhere else can drink without the risk of being caught in the cross fire of Colinjb's drunken thugs spending the whole match launching pints at each other, no bottles allowed, just pint or half pint plastic glasses. Job done.

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Everywhere else can drink without the risk of being caught in the cross fire of Colinjb's drunken thugs spending the whole match launching pints at each other, no bottles allowed, just pint or half pint plastic glasses. Job done.

 

Trolling at it's finest.

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Where are these located? I've been to the Rose Bowl a few times but never noticed a dry section. Good idea of course, and shows what's possible in football if boozing near the away fans is really seen as the bulk of the problem.

 

Usually the area that the "family" tickets are available in. Been "dry" at Trent Bridge & Leeds in recent season and will be "dry" against the convicts at Edgbaston & OT this year.

 

My nipper is used to industrial language etc at the footy but I don't want his surrounded by pi.ssed up blokes. Plenty of time for that when he's older.

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so do you agree that if the areas around the away fans and high risk games were "dry" it would eliminate the risk of problems?

 

It would certainly play a part. The possibility of drinking on the terraces though is a worry for the points i've previously made.

 

Turkish, you do have points to make, why hide behind a curtain of tw*t?

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It would certainly play a part. The possibility of drinking on the terraces though is a worry for the points i've previously made.

 

Turkish, you do have points to make, why hide behind a curtain of tw*t?

 

I didnt realise i did.

 

The reality is that the vast majority arent going to spend the whole game necking pints, you'll probably get what you get at the cricket where people probably take one or two up to the seats then refill them at half time. The main problem is going to be beer flying everywhere when a goal is scored, which it will do. Bottles would elminate this, but then a full bottle of beer can make a dangerous weapon if thrown. So i'm going to change my view from my other post and say that on reflection only bottles are allowed, as coke bottles are currently allowed without any problems. Blocks 1-3 and the Northam are dry zones. and i dont see the risks, if the lads in the itchen north and northam want a beer they are going to have to move, this would move them further awy from the away fans. if they dont then nothing changes. It could in fact help the atmosphere and reduce the risk of trouble with less potential for fans to give each other verbals during the game and clash outside after.

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I didnt realise i did.

 

The reality is that the vast majority arent going to spend the whole game necking pints, you'll probably get what you get at the cricket where people probably take one or two up to the seats then refill them at half time. The main problem is going to be beer flying everywhere when a goal is scored, which it will do. Bottles would elminate this, but then a full bottle of beer can make a dangerous weapon if thrown. So i'm going to change my view from my other post and say that on reflection only bottles are allowed, as coke bottles are currently allowed without any problems. Blocks 1-3 and the Northam are dry zones. and i dont see the risks, if the lads in the itchen north and northam want a beer they are going to have to move, this would move them further awy from the away fans. if they dont then nothing changes. It could in fact help the atmosphere and reduce the risk of trouble with less potential for fans to give each other verbals during the game and clash outside after.

 

An entirely reasonable suggestion IMO.

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Just as bad as the fat messes who waddle back and forth from their seats for something to eat - is it possible to exercise some self-control for 45 mins. Cricket is more understandable - it's an all-dayer.

The last thing I want is some lairy c**t spilling their drink on me when we score -happened in 2010 against the skates and happens all the time at gigs.

Even standing up and sitting down for some incontinent sod who needs to go for a p iss is an inconvenience and would happen which ever part of the ground a drinking zone was located.

The possibility of aggro could be easily dealt with as others have pointed out but a few extra points are a drop in the ocean if people have been on the lash the whole day.

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These are the same sorts of arguments that were previously made against pubs being allowed to open beyond 11pm. Thankfully the naysayers didn't get their way on that occasion and the archaic laws were changed.

 

I point you again towards the Coppers film. Carnage on the streets of Wakefield, Carnage on the streets of Southampton. There is no slow spill of patrons onto the streets, they get fooked at home and continue it on into the evening.

 

Look, yes most will be sensible but their will be those that spoil it for the rest.

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I point you again towards the Coppers film. Carnage on the streets of Wakefield, Carnage on the streets of Southampton. There is no slow spill of patrons onto the streets, they get fooked at home and continue it on into the evening.

 

Look, yes most will be sensible but their will be those that spoil it for the rest.

 

reminds me of a song.....

 

i wonder to myself, would life ever be sane again?

the leeds side streets that you slip down

i wonder to myself.......

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Thinking about it; are there many other clubs that base their main home end around where the away fans are? We seem to be a minority in that regard, and the home end gets decimated when we play FA Cup games due to the extra away allocation. It would be a decent introduction to have a complete stadium rethink and turn the Chapel into a proper home end.

 

TBF that wasn't the clubs decision, I remember when St Mary's' STs went on sale for the first time, there was a lot of discussion on the message boards as to where the Archer Roaders wanted to sit, a consensus was gained that the Northam would be that place as it is next to the away fans

 

This may have been exacerbated by the fact that the "family" corner was going to be between the Chapel and Kingsland, but meh.

 

As for drinking, having been to various other short format sports where drinking is allowed I am not totally for it!

 

One example, Wembley (American Football) last year, bunch of 8 lad in front of me, constantly up and down to get beer during the game, must have had at least 6-8 pints each during the game, getting more and more leary. Wouldn't have happened if beer hadn't been allowed in the seats.

 

Now obviously they were the minority but they weren't the only ones, their behaviour didn't completely ruin the game for me but it didn't enhance it any.

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I dont see why some people are making it so complicated and certain it would cause trouble. It's quite simple to enforce. No booze for the areas near the away fans, no booze for high risk games where clubs with a bit of a rep for trouble. You basically make blocks 1-3 and some of the northam no booze zones, Everywhere else can drink without the risk of being caught in the cross fire of Colinjb's drunken thugs spending the whole match launching pints at each other, no bottles allowed, just pint or half pint plastic glasses. Job done.

 

You have the throwing arm of an 8 year old girl.

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