the saint in winchester Posted 16 February, 2013 Share Posted 16 February, 2013 +1. The ballet crowds are the first to race to the bars for their interval pre-ordered G & T's. Yeah, I was going to say I was at the Mayflower this week watching Phantom and the bar staff were perfectly happy to let me take a pint to my seats as long as I had it in a soft pint 'glass'. Alcohol at the seats isn't a problem, if it is reasonable consumption. The issue will be overindulgence and the constant loo runs, as others have commented. I don't go for a beer in the HT interval now because the queue is long and its overpriced. Being able to cart it back to the seat wouldn't change that. Being allowed to bring my own beer might appeal, or even better a bottle of Pinot Grigio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thornhill_saints Posted 16 February, 2013 Author Share Posted 16 February, 2013 is that the bloke with long greasy hair, usually in a denim jacket ? if so, 1 time he brought a female companion with him who was also paraletic when they turned up 10 mins after the game started. as she wobbled up level to my seat she fell on her ar$e,releasing a rancid smell of sh!t from her obviously soiled kegs. was disgusting & made worse by her squelching about as she struggled to get up. Very nice I hope you offered your hand so she could get up.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 16 February, 2013 Share Posted 16 February, 2013 +1. The ballet crowds are the first to race to the bars for their interval pre-ordered G & T's. Yeah, I was going to say I was at the Mayflower this week watching Phantom and the bar staff were perfectly happy to let me take a pint to my seats as long as I had it in a soft pint 'glass'. Alcohol at the seats isn't a problem, if it is reasonable consumption. The issue will be overindulgence and the constant loo runs, as others have commented. I don't go for a beer in the HT interval now because the queue is long and its overpriced. Being able to cart it back to the seat wouldn't change that. Being allowed to bring my own beer might appeal, or even better a bottle of Pinot Grigio. Yes, we saw that too. We were there Tuesday night -great show. All around us it was plastic pints, boxes of Belgian chocolates, bags of maltesers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 16 February, 2013 Share Posted 16 February, 2013 On the rare occasion I do but beer at the ground it would be good if I could then take it to my seat I would suggest keeping the bar closed from 10 to ko to 10 to half time then closing just after ht as it does now which should stop people making any more return trips to bar while the match is in play than they do now If you could have your drink in your seat prematch could the club charge more for sponsorship that gets seen by more people instead of most fans standing in the over crowded concourses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killers Knee Posted 16 February, 2013 Share Posted 16 February, 2013 ...or a flask of spiked coffee.... or a couple tins of beer in your pockets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theyin Posted 16 February, 2013 Share Posted 16 February, 2013 I can just imagine the almighty cluster**** that will ensue should this go ahead. Anyone throwing out there that it's done in other countries is delusional. Other countries don't have town centres filled with completely spannered citizens every weekend. Except where Brits are holidaying. I know, I've been one ... at home and abroad ... in my more formative years ... well a few years ago. The majority of course would be responsible but it won't be long before the papers are filled with stories of ... well, need I go on? The Sun and The Mail will be in raptures should this go ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 16 February, 2013 Share Posted 16 February, 2013 Sod having a beer in my seat. Bring back Smoking Permitted Seating Zones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaneNero Posted 16 February, 2013 Share Posted 16 February, 2013 Not for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaneNero Posted 16 February, 2013 Share Posted 16 February, 2013 It works in Germany, but they have a superior drinking culture to us, it would never work, especially in 21st century Britain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted 16 February, 2013 Share Posted 16 February, 2013 Surely it'll mean people smash down a couple less before the game so means less drunk idiots? The big question, does that mean they'll have some sort of cup holders or are we going to have massive waterfalls of beer after every goal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 February, 2013 Share Posted 16 February, 2013 On another note I had a pint of saints ale at the city game, it was dreadful and expensive. The larger is also crap. I demand Peroni. We're premium club we should have premium lagers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 16 February, 2013 Share Posted 16 February, 2013 I can just imagine the almighty cluster**** that will ensue should this go ahead. Anyone throwing out there that it's done in other countries is delusional. Other countries don't have town centres filled with completely spannered citizens every weekend. Except where Brits are holidaying. I know, I've been one ... at home and abroad ... in my more formative years ... well a few years ago. The majority of course would be responsible but it won't be long before the papers are filled with stories of ... well, need I go on? The Sun and The Mail will be in raptures should this go ahead. Wow. What a naive post that is. Yep, the UK is definitely the only place in the world that has town centres with p*ssed up citizens. Have you ever heard of Germany, perchance? There's a reason they're world renowned for brewing beer, they drink sh*t loads of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPTCount Posted 16 February, 2013 Share Posted 16 February, 2013 On another note I had a pint of saints ale at the city game, it was dreadful and expensive. The larger is also crap. I demand Peroni. We're premium club we should have premium lagers. its the pipes, not the beer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 16 February, 2013 Share Posted 16 February, 2013 its the pipes, not the beer You just know that an outfit that can't even get lager poured right is going to have a total mindmeld when it comes to serving a decent pint of ale. Quite amazing how we've still got amongst the worst service and standard of beer of pretty much any other club I've been to recently. All made worse by Cortese's promise to do something about it when he took over, and if anything it's got much worse. The service in the Chapel is absolutely atrocious; just 2 kiosks selling beer, you have to get down to the concourse 5 minutes before half time to avoid queueing, its a complete shambles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 16 February, 2013 Share Posted 16 February, 2013 It works in Germany, but they have a superior drinking culture to us, it would never work, especially in 21st century Britain. When I was in Hamburg I used the S-Bahn frequently and was always aware of the 'Superior Drinking Culture'. At 0545 they would be drinking their beer from the bottles on the way to work just as you will see them in the Airports sinking beer at any time before dawn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 16 February, 2013 Share Posted 16 February, 2013 Next thing some people will be asking for is a Steward to come round with a P.ss - bucket so we don't have to queue at Half Time! This would be brilliant get it enacted for next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theyin Posted 16 February, 2013 Share Posted 16 February, 2013 Wow. What a naive post that is. Yep, the UK is definitely the only place in the world that has town centres with p*ssed up citizens. Have you ever heard of Germany, perchance? There's a reason they're world renowned for brewing beer, they drink sh*t loads of it. And man for man, can handle it better than a Brit. I've seen ****ed up winkers of plenty of nationalities, it's just the way we do it enmasse that's gives reason as to why bells should be ringing at this prospect. I've been to Germany plenty of times (I've even watched astounded as women drink from flagons mid morning on the assembly line at an Audi plant ), but I have never seen the magnitude of what goes on in town centres in the UK anywhere else on my travels. There's ****ed up loutishness everywhere, but not the way Brits do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 16 February, 2013 Share Posted 16 February, 2013 Yeah, let's do it - what's the problem? Football is all about getting lathered up, throwing stuff at the oppo supporters and sometimes the players too, spilling half a pint over the idiots in front of you, then getting out the ground for damn good brawl with either the oppo supporters or indeed the old bill too. Yeah, let's turn back the hands of time and throw all the 'family values' bull that's plagued this club for too long. Anyone who disagrees with this must be a mentalist namby pamby loser. (Turkish will be proud of me). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 16 February, 2013 Share Posted 16 February, 2013 And man for man, can handle it better than a Brit. I've seen ****ed up winkers of plenty of nationalities, it's just the way we do it enmasse that's gives reason as to why bells should be ringing at this prospect. I've been to Germany plenty of times (I've even watched astounded as women drink from flagons mid morning on the assembly line at an Audi plant ), but I have never seen the magnitude of what goes on in town centres in the UK anywhere else on my travels. There's ****ed up loutishness everywhere, but not the way Brits do it. And town centres these days are much improved from just 5 or 10 years ago. CCTV and increased police presence, its much changed from what I can tell (I only very very rarely go into town on weekend evenings out any more, and I've noticed its massively changed since I used to live right in the centre). Its a draconian and outdated policy to ban drink for footy games; especially while allowing exactly the same grounds to sell booze for punters watching a different sport. I'm surprised there's still people who agree with such an irrelevant law any more. I'm not even sure what the justifcation is for banning drinking while in sight of the pitch, it makes no sense and as has already been said encourages people to actually neck their drinks quicker. Its a rule which drifts right the way down the leagues; i was watching Romsey Town last summer, beautiful sunshine and I couldn't take my pint outside to watch the game. Ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theyin Posted 17 February, 2013 Share Posted 17 February, 2013 And town centres these days are much improved from just 5 or 10 years ago. CCTV and increased police presence, its much changed from what I can tell (I only very very rarely go into town on weekend evenings out any more, and I've noticed its massively changed since I used to live right in the centre). Have a spin through this http://youtu.be/Q51j50Jwgf0 and tell me we're a nation of responsible drinkers. I don't see anyone worrying about any CCTV or the mini cams on the side of the coppers helmets. You may be one of many who could responsibly sink a couple of ales during the game but open your eyes fella. It'd be utter carnage. "an irrelevant law", you're delusional mate, there's a significant minority who would totally spoil it for everyone and British teams would soon be banned from Europe just we're on the cusp of gaining entry again. There's enough tanked up t w ats attend games as it is (t w ats being those who can't handle their beer, nothing wrong with sinking 5 pints before the game if you can handle them), why give them them even more ammunition? .... unless As UEFA do at the Euros, you serve up knats p1ss that you'd drown quicker than get drunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 17 February, 2013 Share Posted 17 February, 2013 Have a spin through this http://youtu.be/Q51j50Jwgf0 and tell me we're a nation of responsible drinkers. I don't see anyone worrying about any CCTV or the mini cams on the side of the coppers helmets. You may be one of many who could responsibly sink a couple of ales during the game but open your eyes fella. It'd be utter carnage. How? What would happen that would make it fundamentally much worse than it is now? "an irrelevant law", you're delusional mate, there's a significant minority who would totally spoil it for everyone and British teams would soon be banned from Europe just we're on the cusp of gaining entry again. Again, how? What is going to happen by allowing someone to take a plastic beer to their seat? There's enough tanked up t w ats attend games as it is (t w ats being those who can't handle their beer, nothing wrong with sinking 5 pints before the game if you can handle them), why give them them even more ammunition? .... unless As UEFA do at the Euros, you serve up knats p1ss that you'd drown quicker than get drunk. I genuinely don't get where you're coming from. You make it sound as if there's a total alcohol ban at St. Mary's. You make it sound like its impossible to get a beer before the game, during the game, and at half time. You make it sound as if the current solution, of having a 20 minute half time window for a beer with massive queues then encouraging people to down their pint in time for the second half is the ideal solution to the "English hooligan problem". Genuinely, what will happen that is so terrible if we start allowing people to take a plastic cup of beer to their seats instead of downing them in the concourse pre-match and at half time? Most people go to watch the game and would perhaps just buy a pint before the game to take to the seats and buy one at half time to do the same for the second half. You're not really adding much extra drinking in to the mix as to be afraid of a UEFA ban from football, surely? What am I missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 17 February, 2013 Share Posted 17 February, 2013 Goal scored, beer everywhere, it's fine as it is thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 17 February, 2013 Share Posted 17 February, 2013 Goal scored, beer everywhere, it's fine as it is thanks. Ah good point, I hadn't considered that. Definitely a reason to ban alcohol from football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 17 February, 2013 Share Posted 17 February, 2013 Ah good point, I hadn't considered that. Definitely a reason to ban alcohol from football. Good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 17 February, 2013 Share Posted 17 February, 2013 In fact, thinking about it, we should probably push for a ban from alcohol in pubs. Especially those showing football. Imagine that; a goal goes in, beer everywhere. No thanks. Goodness only knows why the Germans have allowed beers in the stands; German football fans must be consistently saturated. What an awful footballing experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 17 February, 2013 Share Posted 17 February, 2013 I smuggle beer to my seat and drink it covertly through the game anyways haven't killed anyone or spilled my beer on anyone yet ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 17 February, 2013 Share Posted 17 February, 2013 I smuggle beer to my seat and drink it covertly through the game anyways haven't killed anyone or spilled my beer on anyone yet ! But if you spill your beer over my expensive threads, you wont mind me stuffing that plastic glass up your anal cavity, will not kill you but you had a drink at your seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 17 February, 2013 Share Posted 17 February, 2013 But if you spill your beer over my expensive threads, you wont mind me stuffing that plastic glass up your anal cavity, will not kill you but you had a drink at your seat. Why would you want to insert objects up a stranger's arse whilst watching the football? Sicko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 17 February, 2013 Share Posted 17 February, 2013 I smuggle beer to my seat and drink it covertly through the game anyways haven't killed anyone or spilled my beer on anyone yet ! Considering my reaction after a bunch of animals soaked me at half time in the Wigan concourse, I wouldn't want to be around me if you did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 17 February, 2013 Share Posted 17 February, 2013 Why would you want to insert objects up a stranger's arse whilst watching the football? Sicko. Only those that spill beer over my threads, ps glasss sideways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 17 February, 2013 Share Posted 17 February, 2013 Considering my reaction after a bunch of animals soaked me at half time in the Wigan concourse, I wouldn't want to be around me if you did. After hearing this devastating news I think alcohol should quite obviously be prohibited in the concourses, its the only way to prevent such disgusting scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 17 February, 2013 Share Posted 17 February, 2013 After hearing this devastating news I think alcohol should quite obviously be prohibited in the concourses, its the only way to prevent such disgusting scenes. Bang on. End of debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 17 February, 2013 Share Posted 17 February, 2013 But if you spill your beer over my expensive threads, you wont mind me stuffing that plastic glass up your anal cavity, will not kill you but you had a drink at your seat. I take a bottle up much more easier to hide and im very careful not to spill any dont worry have you seen the price ? But you just goes to show its not the people drinking in the seats threatening violence but the ones not , plus I don't think you would be big enough to even take my beer from me let alone the aforementioned threat ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southamptonfclegend Posted 17 February, 2013 Share Posted 17 February, 2013 I do enjoying drinking before the game, and the idea of drinking during the game is good, but surely after every goal there will be beer everywhere, also opposing fans chucking bottles at each other would happen regularly after goals/contentious decisions, also some scrotes might throw stuff on the pitch.. it seems an okay idea on paper but doubt it would work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 17 February, 2013 Share Posted 17 February, 2013 Welcome to the SaintsWeb Forum, home of the only football fans on the planet who think drinking beer whilst watching football is a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 17 February, 2013 Share Posted 17 February, 2013 I do enjoying drinking before the game, and the idea of drinking during the game is good, but surely after every goal there will be beer everywhere, also opposing fans chucking bottles at each other would happen regularly after goals/contentious decisions, also some scrotes might throw stuff on the pitch.. it seems an okay idea on paper but doubt it would work. Quite right. In fact, perhaps the club should consider changing their current rules and ban people from taking their bottles of Coke and Sprite up from the concourse, this is quite clearly a massive health and safety risk and a severe accident waiting to happen with these lax rules in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 17 February, 2013 Share Posted 17 February, 2013 Quite right. In fact, perhaps the club should consider changing their current rules and ban people from taking their bottles of Coke and Sprite up from the concourse, this is quite clearly a massive health and safety risk and a severe accident waiting to happen with these lax rules in place. Soft drinks do not have the same appeal to the elements of the crowd that would engage in rowdier behaviour. The comparison is irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 17 February, 2013 Share Posted 17 February, 2013 Soft drinks do not have the same appeal to the elements of the crowd that would engage in rowdier behaviour. The comparison is irrelevant. Yes, I understand how it doesn't fit in with the other made up assumptions of the terrible carnage that might happen if booze were allowed to be drunk in the stadium bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 17 February, 2013 Share Posted 17 February, 2013 Yes, I understand how it doesn't fit in with the other made up assumptions of the terrible carnage that might happen if booze were allowed to be drunk in the stadium bowl. it wouldnt be carnage..but the photos in the sunday sun of a hail of plastic beer glasses with beer all over the place heading towards the away section is not a look the FA want... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 17 February, 2013 Share Posted 17 February, 2013 Yeah, drinks/bottles never get thrown at the aformentioned gigs or performances when the crowd don't like something they've seen or heard. Oh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 17 February, 2013 Share Posted 17 February, 2013 Yes, I understand how it doesn't fit in with the other made up assumptions of the terrible carnage that might happen if booze were allowed to be drunk in the stadium bowl. There wouldn't be "carnage" on a grand scale as you imply. You are using dramatic language for effect. But if Alcohol would be allowed on the terraces it would exasperate the elements of the fanbase that would be inclined to rowdy behaviour. 1% of fans, just 1%..... of 30,000. 300 idiots beered up and being essentially out of control in the stadium. 0.5% is 150. 0.25% is 75. The fractions make the difference and fanbases have their idiot fringe. No need to reintroduce it. As many say, if you can't go 45 minutes without a beer...... And for those that can't, don't encourage them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 17 February, 2013 Share Posted 17 February, 2013 it wouldnt be carnage..but the photos in the sunday sun of a hail of plastic beer glasses with beer all over the place heading towards the away section is not a look the FA want... And this will definitely happen, will it? If throwing objects at the opposition is such a problem why is it not so prevalent already? And how far is a bloody plastic cup going to travel anyway? CCTV inside the stadium means that anyone throwing things gets identified and banned for good. Happens all the time already with people who throw much worse things than a half-full plastic cup. Reading on here its like there's an army of undercover beer chuckers just waiting to get out if the law changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 17 February, 2013 Share Posted 17 February, 2013 There wouldn't be "carnage" on a grand scale as you imply. You are using dramatic language for effect. But if Alcohol would be allowed on the terraces it would exasperate the elements of the fanbase that would be inclined to rowdy behaviour. 1% of fans, just 1%..... of 30,000. 300 idiots beered up and being essentially out of control in the stadium. 0.5% is 150. 0.25% is 75. The fractions make the difference and fanbases have their idiot fringe. No need to reintroduce it. As many say, if you can't go 45 minutes without a beer...... And for those that can't, don't encourage them. How are they going to be "out of control" by having 1 extra beer at their seat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 17 February, 2013 Share Posted 17 February, 2013 How are they going to be "out of control" by having 1 extra beer at their seat? How do you know for sure that allowing alcohol on the terraces wouldn't facilitate idiotic behaviour? You are making quite a big assumption. What is to stop them going down for another, and another, and another? And within 120 minutes they have consumed an utter tanker load. There are people that will do that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 17 February, 2013 Share Posted 17 February, 2013 And this will definitely happen, will it? If throwing objects at the opposition is such a problem why is it not so prevalent already? And how far is a bloody plastic cup going to travel anyway? CCTV inside the stadium means that anyone throwing things gets identified and banned for good. Happens all the time already with people who throw much worse things than a half-full plastic cup. Reading on here its like there's an army of undercover beer chuckers just waiting to get out if the law changes. Either way. It definitely does nt happen now. Which probably suits the FA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 17 February, 2013 Share Posted 17 February, 2013 How do you know for sure that allowing alcohol on the terraces wouldn't facilitate idiotic behaviour? You are making quite a big assumption. What is to stop them going down for another, and another, and another? And within 120 minutes they have consumed an utter tanker load. There are people that will do that! I don't know it. What I'm not doing, like you, is refusing to even consider it. The latest campaign for it is being led by Ipswich's chief executive. I'd say he's got a fairly good idea of what the effect would be. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-21046128 He's also suggesting that for certain games (eg for them the Norwich derby) then alcohol wouldn't be allowed. Similar to midday starts and such like. He also states that it would be regulated by the club; if there was indeed too much trouble they could just decide themselves to revert to the original solution. You see, he's open to change and wants to try new things. I think he has a point, and i think its worth trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 17 February, 2013 Share Posted 17 February, 2013 I don't know it. What I'm not doing, like you, is refusing to even consider it. The latest campaign for it is being led by Ipswich's chief executive. I'd say he's got a fairly good idea of what the effect would be. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-21046128 He's also suggesting that for certain games (eg for them the Norwich derby) then alcohol wouldn't be allowed. Similar to midday starts and such like. He also states that it would be regulated by the club; if there was indeed too much trouble they could just decide themselves to revert to the original solution. You see, he's open to change and wants to try new things. I think he has a point, and i think its worth trying. No, I considered it, and saw many down points. The risks are huge, the damage could be rather large. while management in certain games brings sense, the very idea itself brings massive, massive risk. I will not agree to it, will not wish to see it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 17 February, 2013 Share Posted 17 February, 2013 No, I considered it, and saw many down points. The risks are huge, the damage could be rather large. while management in certain games brings sense, the very idea itself brings massive, massive risk. I will not agree to it, will not wish to see it happen. Seriously; what is likely to happen that is so bad? What is the extra risk factor to allowing someone to have a beer in their seat? What extra damage is likely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 17 February, 2013 Share Posted 17 February, 2013 These are the same sorts of arguments that were previously made against pubs being allowed to open beyond 11pm. Thankfully the naysayers didn't get their way on that occasion and the archaic laws were changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 17 February, 2013 Share Posted 17 February, 2013 Seriously; what is likely to happen that is so bad? What is the extra risk factor to allowing someone to have a beer in their seat? What extra damage is likely? Crowd trouble and the legacy it could bring is enough. A family club can become a rabble in seconds. At least if this idea comes in it would be all clubs in one go rather then just one. What a relief! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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