Interesting stats about our win over the champions

[Bensfcno1]

Sorry if posted else where:

 

Thought this was very interesting reading: http://www.skysports.com/opinion/story/0,,12038_8499918,00.html

 

GREAT AGGREGATES

Hi Martin. It's a pity that most people have been condemning Manchester City for their admittedly poor performance on Saturday but let's give credit to Southampton and remember that the Saints also ran them very close in their opening day 3-2 defeat at the Etihad. Had the fixtures been a two-legged affair, Southampton would have effectively "won" 5-4 on aggregate (a 3-1 win and a 3-2 defeat). How often has a newly promoted team beaten the defending champions "on aggregate" over the course of the two fixtures in a season? Assume that the "away goals rule" applies. Keep up the excellent work, both column and commentary! Best regards, Arjun Kudva (Manchester United fan)

 

MARTIN SAYS: Southampton became only the 13th newly-promoted side to beat the defending champions in a one-off Premier League game and the first since Burnley shocked Manchester United back in August 2009. The games in question are as follows (home team in capitals):

 

Date Champions Promoted Side Score

August 22, 1992 Leeds MIDDLESBROUGH 4-1

October 3, 1992 Leeds IPSWICH TOWN 4-2

December 26, 1992 Leeds BLACKBURN 3-1

December 17, 1994 MANCHESTER UNITED Nottingham Forest 2-1

August 26, 1995 Blackburn BOLTON 2-1

September 30, 1995 Blackburn MIDDLESBROUGH 2-0

March 8, 1997 Manchester United SUNDERLAND 2-1

April 5, 1997 MANCHESTER UNITED Derby County 3-2

October 20, 2001 MANCHESTER UNITED Bolton 2-1

January 17, 2004 Manchester United WOLVES 1-0

April 17, 2004 Manchester United PORTSMOUTH 1-0

August 19, 2009 Manchester United BURNLEY 1-0

February 9, 2013 Manchester City SOUTHAMPTON 3-1

Southampton became the fifth newly-promoted side to win outright on "aggregate" against the champions after Ipswich v Leeds (1992/93), Nottingham Forest v Man Utd (1994/95), Middlesbrough v Blackburn (1995/96) and Derby v Manchester United (1996/97). As you can see from the list below, two further sides would have won on "away goals" and a further two clashes ended up as draws with neither side scoring more away goals.

 

Season Defending champions Promoted team Results Aggregate score

1992/93 Leeds Ipswich Lost 4-2 & Won 1-0 4-3 to Ipswich

1993/94 Man Utd Newcastle Drew 1-1 & Drew 1-1 2-2 draw

1994/95 Man Utd Nottingham Forest Drew 1-1 & lost 2-1 3-2 to Forest

1995/96 Blackburn Middlesbrough Lost 2-0 & Won 1-0 2-1 to Middlesbrough

1996/97 Man Utd Derby Drew 1-1 & Lost 3-2 4-3 to Derby

1997/98 Man Utd Bolton Drew 0-0 & Drew 1-1 1-1 (Bolton win on away goals)

2003/04 Man Utd Wolves Won 1-0 & Lost 1-0 1-1 draw

2010/11 Chelsea Newcastle Drew 1-1 & Drew 2-2 3-3 (Newcastle win on away goals)

2012/13 Man City Southampton Won 3-2 & Lost 3-1 4-3 to Southampton

It's also worth noting that Steven Davis scored in both games against Manchester City and they remain his only two goals for Southampton.

[Aardvark]

Interesting to note that Leeds managed to lose to all 3 promoted teams in 1992!

[SaintBobby]

Isn't it 5-4 to Saints, rather than 4-3 in 2012/13?

 

Lying media scumbags.

[dellboypete]

Interesting article - thanks for that - but if you scroll down thru the article there is an even more revealing stat for Saints (TARGET PRACTICE).

 

We have let in more goals from shots on target than any other prem side (38.5% of shots on targeted led to a goal being conceded)

 

It would be interesting to see how that that changed over the season - as early on it seemed that almost every shot on saints goal went in, whereas we are now so much tighter at the back:

 

here is the article (subject to formatting)

 

MARTIN SAYS: Manchester City have allowed fewer shots on target than any other Premier League team this season - just 69 - and so it's no surprise to see they have conceded the fewest goals (24). As you can see from our table from Opta below, 34.8% of the shots on target have ended up as goals, which is the sixth highest conversion rate in the division. In fact the highest is Saturday's opponents Southampton who have conceded from 38.5% on the shots they've allowed on their goal this term. That contrasts heavily with Swansea who have conceded from just 21.5% of the shots on target against them in the league. The Swansea goalkeepers have had a lot of work to do!

 

Team Conceded Shots on Target % shots on target conceded

Southampton 45 117 38.5%

Wigan 51 135 37.8%

Aston Villa 50 135 37.0%

Liverpool 34 94 36.2%

Tottenham 30 86 34.9%

Manchester City 24 69 34.8%

Newcastle 46 133 34.6%

Everton 32 99 32/3%

Reading 48 151 31.8%

Norwich 40 126 31.7%

Stoke 31 101 30/7%

Fulham 42 143 29.4%

QPR 41 140 29.3%

West Brom 41 140 29.2%

West Ham 38 136 27.9%

Manchester United 31 116 26.7%

Arsenal 29 109 26.6%

Sunderland 34 135 25.2%

Chelsea 28 114 24.6%

Swansea 29 135 21.5%

[dellboypete]

here's a bit more of the article - with golas from shots on target - and we are 5th

 

 

We also asked Opta to give us the data for the other end of the pitch to see how many shots on target are converted into goals by each team. Manchester United have the best record in this respect with more than 41% of their efforts on goal hitting the back of the net. That contrasts heavily with QPR, who have scored with less than 19% of their shots on target.

 

Team Scored Shots on Target % shots on target conceded

Manchester United 62 151 41.1%

Reading 84 33 39.3%

Chelsea 55 144 38.2%

Arsenal 50 141 35.5%

Southampton 36 103 35.0%

West Brom 34 100 34.0%

Stoke 26 81 32.1%

Liverpool 44 139 31.7%

Swansea 38 124 30.6%

Fulham 36 119 30.3%

Manchester City 48 159 30.2%

Aston Villa 25 89 28.1%

Wigan 30 107 28.0%

Sunderland 28 100 28.0%

West Ham 29 107 27.1%

Tottenham 44 164 26.8%

Everton 40 150 26.7%

Norwich 25 94 26.6%

Newcastle 34 132 25.8%

[110_Persaint]

IMO if that's telling us anything is we ought to shoot more, and stop dilly-dallying in and around the box as is so often the case before we end up losing possession. The likes of Puncheon, Davis, Lallana, Ramirez all don't shoot enough for me. We'd have a lot more goals in us if we have a bit more belief in our shooting ability IMO.

[Restark19]

IMO if that's telling us anything is we ought to shoot more, and stop dilly-dallying in and around the box as is so often the case before we end up losing possession. The likes of Puncheon, Davis, Lallana, Ramirez all don't shoot enough for me. We'd have a lot more goals in us if we have a bit more belief in our shooting ability IMO.

 

really? Punch is one of the few players who will have a crack, QPR away is one example

[This Charming Man]

really? Punch is one of the few players who will have a crack, QPR away is one example

 

Lallana is the one who infuriates me most when it comes to shooting. Always looking for that little pass or flick even when the shot is on.

[The9]

I think my favourite current stat is that we've only lost 4 of our last 17 matches. Chelsea FA Cup, Liverpool and Man U Away and bloody Sunderland.

 

Puncheon was shooting a lot at QPR but has mostly reverted to taking the extra touch again - but I also think one of the reasons our shooting percentage to goals is so high is because we work the ball into positions very close to goal and only shoot when the likelihood is a goal rather than taking random pot-shots.

[Rasiak-9-]

Lallana is the one who infuriates me most when it comes to shooting. Always looking for that little pass or flick even when the shot is on.

 

THIS.

 

At least let them know you're a threat from distance as if nothing else you'll open up far more space for yourself and your teammates in future when you do attempt the little defence-splitting flick or pass!

[dubai_phil]

THIS.

 

At least let them know you're a threat from distance as if nothing else you'll open up far more space for yourself and your teammates in future when you do attempt the little defence-splitting flick or pass!

 

I'd argue differently...

 

SRL is taking up more and more positions outside the box and becoming a creator (his partnership with Gareth Barry holds so much promise).

 

Think HE needs to shoot more from outside the area rather than AL or JP...

 

Again we saw the (comedy) value of that with Joe Hart.

 

BUT he is the man with the ballistic boots, so would love to see him letting rip more often