Rickie Lambert vs. Christian Benteke

[MINIBARCELONASAINT]

https://twitter.com/FPLPriceChanges/status/302053777609998336/photo/1

 

Make of it what you will and discuss.

 

They say stats dont lie in football anymore and Soccernomics makes a compelling argument but I'd still prefer Lambert.

[saints-cris]

More misses and less chances created stand out for me.

 

Ricky is priceless to me.

[MOSaint]

Lambert all day for me. Does much more than simply score goals as evidenced by the chances created.

 

Also not entirely convinced by some of those statistics, for example the official PL website credits Lambert with 7 assists and Benteke with 4 (not counting cup games).

 

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/players/index.html?paramSearchType=BY_STAT&paramSeason=2012-2013 (select assist from drop down menu)

[Appy]

Everytime I watch Benteke, he gets praise from all over the press, despite missing countless easy chances.

 

The chances he missed at Villa Park against us were crazy.

 

Don't rate him at all.

[saints-cris]

Ricky is much more a complete player IMO.

[Pancake]

The fact that other teams are putting 2 men on Lambert creates chances for others in our team, so whilst points for goals and assists are all well and good, the bits like that which are not quantifiable also add to his value to the team.

[tajjuk]

More misses and less chances created stand out for me.

 

Ricky is priceless to me.

 

What stood out for me as well, clear cut chances missed 7 for Bentek, just 4 fo Lambert. Things like that make the difference between staying up and relegation, plus it's clear that Lambert is creating far more.

[Kingsland Red]

Is this thread instead of a Lambert v Ali Dia thread, as that would be another no brainer.

Lambert = quality and composure.

Benteke = barn door and banjo

QED.

[CWD]

Of course Rickie is the better player right now, but Benteke is far younger. I think honestly Benteke will be a far better player than Lambert in 6-8 seasons. Mostly because he'll have had the benefit of playing consistently at the highest level, which RL has sadly missed out on.

[Thedelldays]

Rickie now

 

But benteke is going to be a very good player. And would not say no to him as a lambert replacement in a year or two

[pingwing]

The chances he missed at Villa Park against us were crazy.

 

Don't rate him at all.

 

This.

 

Currently he's pretty poo in a very poo villa side, could get better but thats a bit of an if for now.

 

Lambert a country mile better.

[Andre]

What's the point in that chart? It doesn't really show anything either way. Lambert is better, that's for sure. Such an all-round talent, and a clinical goalscorer.

[rudi7s]

Lambert for me all day long, the guy makes almost everything he does look easy.

 

But people saying they don't rate Benteke are wrong imo. 22 years old, so strong, got good feet, brings others into play. Settled quickly in the PL with 11 goals already, I've been mightily impressed.

[Appy]

Lambert for me all day long, the guy makes almost everything he does look easy.

 

But people saying they don't rate Benteke are wrong imo. 22 years old, so strong, got good feet, brings others into play. Settled quickly in the PL with 11 goals already, I've been mightily impressed.

 

They aren't wrong.

 

It's their opinion.

 

I know a lot of people who share mine.

[Thedelldays]

I have no idea

But how many goals has benteke scored this season?

 

After all, he is playing in one of te worst teams I have seen at this level for years

 

Benteke will be a very good player in the near future. More so by playing in a better team

 

But lambert for now

[scotty]

They aren't wrong.

 

It's their opinion.

 

I know a lot of people who share mine.

 

He didnt say they were wrong, he said they were wrong in his opinion. Its an opinion.

[MINIBARCELONASAINT]

Just thought I'd share. I didn't make it and am not endorsing anything.

 

Of course I prefer Lambert.

[Turkish]

benteke is young and therefore hungry and guarenteed to improve.

[Baldbarbarian]

Rickie for his all round game, hold up play & bringing others into the game.

[Saint Fan CaM]

Would love to see Benteke in our squad as Rickie understudy. Would do really well with us.

[Lallana's Left Peg]

Benteke could progress into a really powerful footballer but I doubt you'll ever seen one who looks as confused as he does on the football pitch. Sometimes it looks like he is trying to remember what his name is.

[tajjuk]

Heskey was pretty good at Leicester, was an exciting prospect, strong, quick, could finish etc. He got worse.

 

Not all young players improve.

[Turkish]

Heskey was pretty good at Leicester, was an exciting prospect, strong, quick, could finish etc. He got worse.

 

Not all young players improve.

 

Correct. it's only the ones that play for us who are guarenteed to improve, my mistake.

[rshephard3]

Everytime I watch Benteke, he gets praise from all over the press, despite missing countless easy chances.

 

The chances he missed at Villa Park against us were crazy.

 

Don't rate him at all.

 

This all day long. Not even looked at the stats but when Lambert gets chances he takes them. Does much more for the team too. Can drop back, ping balls around hitting a six pence etc which Benteke just doesn't have.

[Thedelldays]

This all day long. Not even looked at the stats but when Lambert gets chances he takes them. Does much more for the team too. Can drop back, ping balls around hitting a six pence etc which Benteke just doesn't have.

 

Well. That true

Lambert missed a few at OT

 

Missed a few sitters/easy chances in other games

 

Lambert is better but benteke has scored the same amount as him in a team that is just terrible

Edited 14 February, 2013 by Thedelldays

[Turkish]

Well. That true

Lambert missed a few at OT

 

Missed a few sitters/east chances in other games

 

Lambert is better but benteke has scored the same amount as him in a team that is just terrible

 

and he doen't take penalties either.

[Bearsy]

yeah he does.

 

I've seen a fair few villa games cos they're always on at my local. I think benteke is v.good. I also think he'll end up being better than Lambert, if he isn't already. How good was Lambert when he was 22 or whatever?

[Dig Dig]

and he doen't take penalties either.

 

Yes he does

[Dig Dig]

Rickie now

 

But benteke is going to be a very good player. And would not say no to him as a lambert replacement in a year or two

 

Mate, based on your predictions this season we'd already be down by now, bottom of the table with a record lack of points and record number of goals conceded. If you say that he's going to be a very good player, the likely hood is that he'll be a Heskey mark II

[Appy]

Well. That true

Lambert missed a few at OT

 

Missed a few sitters/easy chances in other games

 

Lambert is better but benteke has scored the same amount as him in a team that is just terrible

 

Can't remember Lambert having many chances at OT, can't remember the team having any real clear cut chances, despite our possession.

[Wes Tender]

Where does this £6.6 million for Lambert come from? I thought that it was only £1 million. Presume that's therefore a valuation, but whose?

 

But otherwise the telling stats that are of more significance favour Lambert as the better player. Benteke might well improve in the future, as he is only a youngster, and then so might Rodriguez. But the comparison is between the two of them now.

[redder freak]

I think it shows that Rickie Lambert is competing at Premier League level. A lot of people said he wouldn't be able to cut it in the Championship last season, having never played there before. So many people are wrong. We don't really have a clue what's going on around us.

[stockbridge_saint]

Where does this £6.6 million for Lambert come from? I thought that it was only £1 million. Presume that's therefore a valuation, but whose?

 

fantasy premier league

 

I don;t see how people can't rate Benteke. He has been a beacon of hope for Villia. A quality player and has more potential than Lambert.

 

but I'd have Lambert EVERY time. He does so much for us that go beyond the stats listed. His touch, countless knock downs and holding the ball up well. So important for us.

[AussieDog]

Different types of player playing for a team with different styles of play. Would Benteke score more goals playing in our team? would Lambert score more goals playing for Villa?

At the moment my money would be on Lambert coming out on top. However...playing Benteke alongside Lambert - that to me would be a mouth watering prospect (sorry Jay-Rod).

Benteke is worth more money because he has potential to improve and has 10 years ahead of him, barring injury.

 

Straight choice this season or next though, I'd rather have Lambert if I had to choose one.

[pingwing]

Heskey mark II

 

Yep! I was going for that from Villa at home, good old Heskey 2.0

[Lighthouse]

If Villa go down I wouldn't mind nicking Benteke off them. He's about as decent and realistic a long term replacement for Lambert as I've seen this season. Unless by some miracle one of Chelsea's 5 managers over the summer decide they don't want Lukaku.

[Appy]

fantasy premier league

 

I don;t see how people can't rate Benteke. He has been a beacon of hope for Villia. A quality player and has more potential than Lambert.

 

but I'd have Lambert EVERY time. He does so much for us that go beyond the stats listed. His touch, countless knock downs and holding the ball up well. So important for us.

 

You clearly weren't at Villa away.

[rudi7s]

You clearly weren't at Villa away.

 

What striker, good or bad, doesn't miss chances? Can only remember the one gilt-edged chance Benteke missed in that game anyway. RL missed 2/3 against Everton at home

Edited 14 February, 2013 by rudi7s

[Appy]

What striker, good or bad, doesn't miss chances? Can only remember the one gilt-edged chance Benteke missed in that game anyway. RL missed 2/3 against Everton at home

 

Sorry, I could also list the 6 or 7 other games I have seen him play this season where we has missed countless chances.

[Turkish]

What striker, good or bad, doesn't miss chances? Can only remember the one gilt-edged chance Benteke missed in that game anyway. RL missed 2/3 against Everton at home

 

Quite. Even Robin Van Persie miskicked when clean through on goal on Wednesday night. If every striker scored every chance they ever got they'd be worth £500m and be the best player of all time.

[Thedelldays]

Sorry, I could also list the 6 or 7 other games I have seen him play this season where we has missed countless chances.

 

Lambert missed a couple against Everton.

 

Remember a few sitters he missed at home to Fulham

 

Truth is, all strikers miss. Benteke may have missed a couple but he has scored as many as lambert in an utterly terrible team despite being a donkey??

[Smirking_Saint]

Everytime I watch Benteke, he gets praise from all over the press, despite missing countless easy chances.

 

The chances he missed at Villa Park against us were crazy.

 

Don't rate him at all.

 

I have said before, he is a little while away from it at the moment but he certainly has potential, reminds me of a youngish Drogba. Good technique, good in the air and both feet but needs a little sanding at the edges.

 

Some of the goals he has scored shows he is clearly good enough. Its hard to judge him right now playing in a faltering team, devoid of experience and confidence but I have seen enough to know he will be a player.

 

Fwiw Id rather Lambert right now BUT if/when they go down Id love to try and nick him

[tajjuk]

Correct. it's only the ones that play for us who are guarenteed to improve, my mistake.

 

Yeh because that's what I said

 

Everyone is getting all excited about Benteke except at times this season he's looked awful.

 

The Villa fans probably say the same about Gaston. Most young players have deent potential to improve with age and experience. But some like Heskey don't.

[Smirking_Saint]

So, would anyone change their mind ?

 

Personally at the start of the season, and even half way through my choice woild have been Rickie, but if you offer me either for the start of next season ?

 

Well, I would pick Benteke

[Wiggles31]

Benteke looks a brilliant player. As does Lukaku. Beglium have CFs useless England would dream of.

 

Based on age you'd have to say Benteke.

[The Kraken]

So, would anyone change their mind ?

 

Personally at the start of the season, and even half way through my choice woild have been Rickie, but if you offer me either for the start of next season ?

 

Well, I would pick Benteke

 

Never mind next season, I'd have Benteke right now.

[S-Clarke]

He'll be gone to a big club in the summer. He's unplayable when he's on his game, which is getting more and more regular.

[SimonC]

He'll be gone to a big club in the summer. He's unplayable when he's on his game, which is getting more and more regular.

 

He's already at a big club, although under performing. He'll probably stay if they stay up..definitely going if they go down though..to Spurs perhaps?

[Smirking_Saint]

He'll be gone to a big club in the summer. He's unplayable when he's on his game, which is getting more and more regular.

 

Yeah, missed a boat there though, he still reminds me of a young Drogba, pace, power and technique.

 

He will be spurs bound IMO, leads the line well and everything thst Adebeyor is not. Shame, I would love him in a Saints shirt.

 

Lukaku is a beast aswell, how chelsea can overlook him next year is beyond me

[Saint_clark]

Paul Lambert has said Benteke is world class...jesus christ.