15 Players to Leave in Summer?

[Barry Sanchez]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Ramirez leaving this summer, as we try to recoup what we paid for him. Sadly he hasn't been the inspirational game changer we thought we were spending £12 million on. I'd love to see him stick around and prove me wrong, but unless Pochettino sees an upturn in form from him in the tail end of this season, I think we'd go out and look for replacements.

 

Of the other "must keeps", the only other I can see question marks over is Shaw. I wonder whether his head would be turned by the big boys. It'll cost them a fortune to buy him, and we all know he's be better off staying put, but ultimately if his heart is set on moving, we could be in trouble. Fortunately it seems like he's enjoying things, and hopefully he still signs that contract, so for now we can bask in the knowledge he's ours.

 

 

Shaw would love to play for Chelsea, he would go but we could and would get an awful lot of money for him, IF we stay up I would not want anyone in the squad stepping stoning us if we could help it.

[krissyboy31]

Shaw would love to play for Chelsea, he would go but we could and would get an awful lot of money for him, IF we stay up I would not want anyone in the squad stepping stoning us if we could help it.

 

I don't think he would, at least for a couple of years. He wouldn't get in their team ahead of Ashley Cole and pretty sure he'd prefer to be playing week in week out here than on the bench, with the odd U21 game at Chelsea.

[Lighthouse]

It's called taking the ρiss mate. You'd have to be mental to take the OP seriously. I'm astounded at the number of replies in this thread. "15 Players to Leave in Summer?" WTF? FIFTEEN?

 

Absolute joke of a thread.

 

We've already sent 11 players out on loan this season and only 2 of those are youth players. The other 9 are clearly surplus in this league and if we stay up I could well see them leaving permanently. Many are out of contract anyway and wont be getting a new one. Added to that Kelvin's contract is up and I'd be baffled if he got a new one, same as Butters. That's 11 players and you could easily see Chaplow and Lee leaving too. That's 13 straight away. Then there are players like Richardson and Fox who may well leave to get regular first team football in the Champ.

 

If ALL those players left we'd still have 19 players on the books with first team experience

 

Boruc, Gazza

 

Clyne, Shaw

 

Yoshi, Fonte, Jos, Forren

 

Morgan, Cork, Davis, JWP

 

Puncheon, Lallana, Gaston, Guly

 

Lambert, JRod, Mayuka

 

 

Not beyond the realms of possibility. We would then have maybe 5 or 6 decent signings to bring in and hopefully the likes of Chambers, Hoskins, Sinclair and Stephens making the occasional appearance.

[Barry Sanchez]

I don't think he would, at least for a couple of years. He wouldn't get in their team ahead of Ashley Cole and pretty sure he'd prefer to be playing week in week out here than on the bench, with the odd U21 game at Chelsea.

He is a Chelsea fan, he would also sit on the bench and get an awful lot of loot, he also could go on on loan.

[Lighthouse]

Where is MLG with a comprehensive list of players out of contract. I can think of.

 

Forecast (Finally, can we have a national holiday to celebrate?)

Kelvin

Forte

Butters

Puncheon

Chaplow? Initially signed a 2 and a half year contract, 2 years ago according to wiki. Did he sign an extension?

Frazer? Signed 3 years ago come summer. Not sure how long the contract was and if it was extended.

Dickson - Pretty sure he is out of contract.

Barnard? - He did get an extension, can't remember how long for.

 

That's 6 definites and 3 maybes.

[SuperSAINT]

Barnard? - He did get an extension, can't remember how long for.

 

Barnard's contract runs until 2014, mate.

[krissyboy31]

He is a Chelsea fan, he would also sit on the bench and get an awful lot of loot, he also could go on on loan.

 

Absolute tosh! He may be a Chelsea "fan" but he's a professional footballer,who has risen through the ranks and got himself selected for the England U21 team at 17 because he playing regular premier league football. Even Chelsea ain't going to throw £15/20 million on a player then loan him out.

[Forester]

Although it could be seen as an overkill, I wouldn't be surprised as the majority aren't going to play or be good enough to play for us. Pretty much all those on loan we wouldn't really miss. And if we being in a couple in the summer, plus 1 or 2 youth stepping up, I wouldn't be surprised if that many left.

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Spot on. And the point of the thread was that, if we are really looking to go up to the next level, this is the scale of squad trimming needed. It seems 110 Persaint is a delicate wallflower on these subjects!

[Glasgow_Saint]

Borus is only contracted till the summer?

[Lifelongsaint83]

Where is MLG with a comprehensive list of players out of contract. I can think of.

 

Forecast (Finally, can we have a national holiday to celebrate?)

Kelvin

Forte

Butters

Puncheon

Chaplow? Initially signed a 2 and a half year contract, 2 years ago according to wiki. Did he sign an extension?

Frazer? Signed 3 years ago come summer. Not sure how long the contract was and if it was extended.

Dickson - Pretty sure he is out of contract.

Barnard? - He did get an extension, can't remember how long for.

 

That's 6 definites and 3 maybes.

 

 

Dickson, Richardson and Chaplow are out of contract at the end of the season...along with Reeves, Forecast, Punch, Boruc, Seaborne and Butterfield.

[Bearsy]

Think kelvin has another year actually

[SNSUN]

He is a Chelsea fan, he would also sit on the bench and get an awful lot of loot, he also could go on on loan.

 

A Chelsea fan now perhaps, but 17 more years of playing for us will change him! After all, Le Tiss was a Spurs fan as a boy...

[david in sweden]

Given that we have increasing confidence of staying up, it looks like the opportunity to have the mother of all clear-outs in the summer.

 

Most, but not all, really good servants who would be a great asset for teams lower down the pyramid - but lots of trimming to help create some room for two or three quality signings. Here's my starter for 10 - what do you think?

 

Forecast

Davis

Richardson

Butterfield

Seabourne

Martin

Dixon

Fox

Chaplow

Hammond

Guly

Forte

Barnard

Sharp

Lee

 

almost agree ...quite a few of the above are OOC in June, anyway.

 

Except that I think Guly has contract time left .and will stay. So too, Aaron Martin, who despite recent disappointments surely has a good future. and maybe KD will see out his contact.

 

Most of the rest will stay with their present " loan clubs "....and probably be on Nigel Adkins's HCDAJFU list in his new club...(who won't have anywhere near the Liebherr-type money to spend.)

[The9]

It's called taking the ρiss mate. You'd have to be mental to take the OP seriously. I'm astounded at the number of replies in this thread. "15 Players to Leave in Summer?" WTF? FIFTEEN?

 

Absolute joke of a thread.

 

We shifted out 17 in the January after Redknapp left and Burley came in, which was the season after Prem relegation, so it's not unprecedented to have a high turnover when you change divisions - though you'll never see a contract with a promotion release clause.

 

It's also well known that we have a pile of players still being paid who aren't of Prem standard, and some who aren't even necessarily Championship standard, so I'd be surprised if we didn't shift on at least 10 of those currently under contract in the summer. It will of course depend on which contracts are up, because you can guarantee the likes of Dickson and Forte aren't getting paid what we're currently giving them by anyone else any time soon.

 

That's assuming we stay up. If we go down who knows who'd be off ?

 

According to Transfermarkt.com Puncheon, Boruc, Richardson and Chaplow, Dickson, Forecast, Seaborne, Reeves, Hoskins are up, and from the U21s there are THIRTEEN with "2013" as their contract expiry including Butterfield, Isgrove, Chambers etc. have, all of whom have at least one appearance this season, plus there are others like Jake Sinclair, Andy Robinson, Corby Moore who have been with us for a while but haven't broken through who might also be leaving.

 

Including them, plus a few players who other teams might be able to match wages for (Sharp, Lee, De Ridder), 15 leaving could well be possible.

Edited 18 February, 2013 by The9

[The9]

almost agree ...quite a few of the above are OOC in June, anyway.

 

Except that I think Guly has contract time left .and will stay. So too, Aaron Martin, who despite recent disappointments surely has a good future. and maybe KD will see out his contact.

 

Most of the rest will stay with their present " loan clubs "....and probably be on Nigel Adkins's HCDAJFU list in his new club...(who won't have anywhere near the Liebherr-type money to spend.)

 

Guly and Kelvin's deals both expire in 2014 if Transfermarkt is to be believed.

[david in sweden]

Guly and Kelvin's deals both expire in 2014 if Transfermarkt is to be believed.

 

 

sounds about right then.

.KD...has about done his share - and it would be a shame to sack him now, and I doubt if Guly can maintain his new-found energy levels for another 12 months.

 

Although it does leave the tempting likelihood that we can expect a dozen or so new signings....although probably not all this summer.

Edited 18 February, 2013 by david in sweden

[Olallana]

I would think the ideal amount of new/leaving players would be like this summer. 5-7 new players + 2-3 from the academy.

But it also depends in who leaves but something around that amount.

I am not sure Punch will stay and think we can attract better alternatives, even though I would like him to stay AND attract a new winger.

[Lallana's Left Peg]

I would think the ideal amount of new/leaving players would be like this summer. 5-7 new players + 2-3 from the academy.

 

That is a big turnover, far from ideal in my mind and I would think we'd only see that sort of overhaul if we either got relegated or Pochettino convinces the powers that be that many aren't up to the job and it doesn't see that way at the moment.

 

If you look at the age of our squad we're set in many positions. I can see squad positions going to Academy players and a few signings in key areas - would not make sense at all to rip it up and start again. Took us far too long to get going this season and I don't think a season of struggle next would be desired if we stay up this season.

 

If Pochettino can maintain this sort of performance until the end of the season I wouldn't expect (or want) the club to be too busy or desperate in the summer.

[Olallana]

That is a big turnover, far from ideal in my mind and I would think we'd only see that sort of overhaul if we either got relegated or Pochettino convinces the powers that be that many aren't up to the job and it doesn't see that way at the moment.

 

If you look at the age of our squad we're set in many positions. I can see squad positions going to Academy players and a few signings in key areas - would not make sense at all to rip it up and start again. Took us far too long to get going this season and I don't think a season of struggle next would be desired if we stay up this season.

 

If Pochettino can maintain this sort of performance until the end of the season I wouldn't expect (or want) the club to be too busy or desperate in the summer.

 

Well, I have a different opinion actually. IF we continue on this great run we will make more deals in the summer due to that we will attract better players and therefore we will be upgrading the squad. I think we could need a 1st choice CB with Jos leaving and I think maybe Jose has one or two more years left with us so get a 1st choice in for 3-5 yrs can happen. We need LB/RB, preferrably one that can cover both position. Another CM, Winger and Striker makes it 5 new and possible also another goalie.

 

Well everything is just thoughts and opinion but I firmly believe that the better run we make this season, the more things will happen cause Cortese want us as a competitive top 7 team as fast as possible.

[Thedelldays]

15 players leaving with say. 10 additions is almost like the QPR model of throwing players at it

[110_Persaint]

As long as there are more outgoings than incomings would be fine by me. Need to trim the squad as it is far too bloated at the moment.

[The9]

15 players leaving with say. 10 additions is almost like the QPR model of throwing players at it

 

Not really, they currently have 40-ish professionals, almost all of them on "Prem new signing wages" as opposed to "first pro contract" wages which we'll have for 4 or 5 of ours, plus the 10-ish U-21 ex-Academy players on short term contracts to get us up to the same sort of numbers QPR have of first teamers. We all saw what signing lots of mediocre players does in 2005, we'd be signing players intended to improve the team, not just broaden the squad.

 

Plus we'd be shedding a load of players who are nowhere near the Prem matchday squad anyway and are only still here because they signed contracts in League One, and presumably replacing them with Prem-quality players. QPR have just piled bottom-half Prem players on top of other bottom-half Prem players.

Edited 19 February, 2013 by The9

[Lighthouse]

15 players leaving with say. 10 additions is almost like the QPR model of throwing players at it

 

Where have you got that number from? We don't need 10, I don't think anyone is saying 10. 5 is the most I would expect. We don't need to replace all the players we get rid of, far from it. Our squad is just too big at the moment.

 

We have 44 players listed as being first team players on wiki. It does include a few youngsters, 8 by my reckoning who've yet to play for the first team but 36 senior players is a heck of a lot. 11 more than we really need.

 

15 out 5 in would be a great summer.

[Restark19]

If we were to see Shaw leave in the summer I'd like to see him loaned back to us for a season at least, would likely be good for all parties especially if he goes to Chelsea. anyone know if Bertrand plays regularly for them?

 

I'd like to see Guly and Frazer stay as I think both can (and have) DAJFU at this level.

[Saint Garrett]

If we were to see Shaw leave in the summer I'd like to see him loaned back to us for a season at least, would likely be good for all parties especially if he goes to Chelsea. anyone know if Bertrand plays regularly for them?

 

I'd like to see Guly and Frazer stay as I think both can (and have) DAJFU at this level.

 

Shaw won't leave.

[The9]

For clarity, our current "wiki" squad includes (with League appearances) : 22 "first teamers" (inc Forren) plus Stephens, Chaplow, Chambers, Cropper, Butterfield, Moore, Sinclair, Gape, Robinson and Isgrove who have 3 league sub appearances between them - you can write off any over 21s in that lot. Mayuka also has only 1 start and is on dodgy ground regarding his usefulness.

 

There are 10 others out on loan, of which only maybe Reeves and Hoskins are likely to have a future, and Forte and Martin aren't even listed. So that's...

 

22 first teamers, 8 borderline case u-21s, 4 senior pros not in the main squad, 8 loanees who are unlikely to be first teamers again, and 2 more (Reeves and Hoskins) who might be. Plenty of room for more than 10 to go without even impacting on the first team squad. This is without considering contracts - as a few of the kids aren't going anywhere.

 

1 GK Kelvin Davis 8

2 DF Nathaniel Clyne 23

3 DF Maya Yoshida 22(1)

4 MF Morgan Schneiderlin 25

5 DF Jos Hooiveld 12(2)

6 DF José Fonte 20

7 FW Rickie Lambert 23(3)

8 MF Steven Davis 13(9)

9 FW Jay Rodriguez 14(9)

10 MF Gastón Ramírez 15(3)

12 GK Paulo Gazzaniga 9

13 DF Danny Fox 10(4)

15 DF Vegard Forren 0

16 MF James Ward-Prowse 4(6)

18 MF Jack Cork 16

20 MF Adam Lallana 16(3)

21 MF Guilherme do Prado 7(7)

22 DF Frazer Richardson 2(3)

23 DF Luke Shaw 14(2)

24 FW Emmanuel Mayuka 1(6)

26 DF Jack Stephens 0

27 MF Richard Chaplow 0(3)

28 MF Calum Chambers 0

30 GK Cody Cropper 0

31 GK Artur Boruc 9

32 DF Danny Butterfield 0

34 MF Corby Moore 0

36 FW Jake Sinclair 0

37 MF Dominic Gape 0

38 MF Andy Robinson 0

39 MF Lloyd Isgrove 0

42 MF Jason Puncheon 23

xx FW Jonathan Forte 0

xx DF Aaron Martin 0

 

Players with appearances currently out on loan

11 FW Billy Sharp

14 MF Dean Hammond

19 FW Tadanari Lee

25 DF Danny Seaborne

29 MF Ben Reeves

33 MF Steve De Ridder

35 FW Sam Hoskins

 

EDIT : Players without appearances this season out on loan : Add Dickson, Barnard and Forecast to the list...

Edited 19 February, 2013 by The9

[tajjuk]

For clarity, our current "wiki" squad includes (with League appearances) : 22 "first teamers" (inc Forren) plus Stephens, Chaplow, Chambers, Cropper, Butterfield, Moore, Sinclair, Gape, Robinson and Isgrove who have 3 league sub appearances between them - you can write off any over 21s in that lot. Mayuka also has only 1 start and is on dodgy ground regarding his usefulness.

 

There are 10 others out on loan, of which only maybe Reeves and Hoskins are likely to have a future, and Forte and Martin aren't even listed. So that's...

 

22 first teamers, 8 borderline case u-21s, 4 senior pros not in the main squad, 8 loanees who are unlikely to be first teamers again, and 2 more (Reeves and Hoskins) who might be. Plenty of room for more than 10 to go without even impacting on the first team squad. This is without considering contracts - as a few of the kids aren't going anywhere.

 

1 GK Kelvin Davis 8

2 DF Nathaniel Clyne 23

3 DF Maya Yoshida 22(1)

4 MF Morgan Schneiderlin 25

5 DF Jos Hooiveld 12(2)

6 DF José Fonte 20

7 FW Rickie Lambert 23(3)

8 MF Steven Davis 13(9)

9 FW Jay Rodriguez 14(9)

10 MF Gastón Ramírez 15(3)

12 GK Paulo Gazzaniga 9

13 DF Danny Fox 10(4)

15 DF Vegard Forren 0

16 MF James Ward-Prowse 4(6)

18 MF Jack Cork 16

20 MF Adam Lallana 16(3)

21 MF Guilherme do Prado 7(7)

22 DF Frazer Richardson 2(3)

23 DF Luke Shaw 14(2)

24 FW Emmanuel Mayuka 1(6)

26 DF Jack Stephens 0

27 MF Richard Chaplow 0(3)

28 MF Calum Chambers 0

30 GK Cody Cropper 0

31 GK Artur Boruc 9

32 DF Danny Butterfield 0

34 MF Corby Moore 0

36 FW Jake Sinclair 0

37 MF Dominic Gape 0

38 MF Andy Robinson 0

39 MF Lloyd Isgrove 0

42 MF Jason Puncheon 23

xx FW Jonathan Forte 0

xx DF Aaron Martin 0

 

Players with appearances currently out on loan

11 FW Billy Sharp

14 MF Dean Hammond

19 FW Tadanari Lee

25 DF Danny Seaborne

29 MF Ben Reeves

33 MF Steve De Ridder

35 FW Sam Hoskins

 

EDIT : Players without appearances this season out on loan : Add Dickson, Barnard and Forecast to the list...

 

So from that list Dickson, Barnard, Forecast, Forte, De Ridder, Seabourne, Hammond, Martin, Moore, Butterfield, Chaplow, Richardson, Davis, Sharp, Robinson (15 players) leaving would still leave you with:-

 

2 DF Nathaniel Clyne 23

3 DF Maya Yoshida 22(1)

4 MF Morgan Schneiderlin 25

5 DF Jos Hooiveld 12(2)

6 DF José Fonte 20

7 FW Rickie Lambert 23(3)

8 MF Steven Davis 13(9)

9 FW Jay Rodriguez 14(9)

10 MF Gastón Ramírez 15(3)

12 GK Paulo Gazzaniga 9

13 DF Danny Fox 10(4)

15 DF Vegard Forren 0

16 MF James Ward-Prowse 4(6)

18 MF Jack Cork 16

19 FW Tadanari Lee

20 MF Adam Lallana 16(3)

21 MF Guilherme do Prado 7(7)

23 DF Luke Shaw 14(2)

24 FW Emmanuel Mayuka 1(6)

31 GK Artur Boruc 9

42 MF Jason Puncheon 23

 

Un-proven youngsters:-

 

26 DF Jack Stephens 0

28 MF Calum Chambers 0

29 MF Ben Reeves

30 GK Cody Cropper 0

36 FW Jake Sinclair 0

37 MF Dominic Gape 0

38 MF Andy Robinson 0

39 MF Lloyd Isgrove 0

 

That's is still a first team squad of 21 - 2 GKs, 7 defenders, 8 Midfielders, 4 forwards. (+ the youngsters) which is enough IMO.

 

3 or 4 additions and you could make a case for Lee, Hooiveld and Guly to go as well.

Edited 19 February, 2013 by tajjuk

[The9]

I've just chucked all the data we have into a spreadsheet to try and give a rating for how likely it is that players will leave in the summer.

 

Factors included are :

Appearances(Subs), Contract Remaining, Transfer Interest, Loaned, U21, Over 30.

 

Here's the table with the lowest scores the least likely to stay (the scores don't mean much other than to rank players and it's not linear so you shouldn't interpret it as someone being, say "five times more likely to leave" or anything) - it's indicative so shouldn't be taken as precise in every case, for instance Forecast is by far the most likely to leave in practice, but because some of the loanees whose contracts are expiring must have some interest from other clubs they're ranked more likely to leave :

 

I think maybe what's needed is a "Saints desire to keep" column too, that might move Reeves and definitely Isgrove away from the danger zone and also Shaw (who is the most desired in terms of Transfer Interest)

 

Seaborne 12

Hoskins 12

Dickson 12

Reeves 13

Forecast 15

Butterfield 16

Chaplow 17

Richardson 19

Chambers 19

Moore 19

Sinclair 19

Robinson 19

Isgrove 19

Hammond 25

Boruc 26

Shaw 28

Lee 32

Barnard 32

De Ridder 33

Puncheon 34

Forte 40

Martin 40

Sharp 40

Lallana 49

Stephens 49

Cropper 49

Gape 49

Seager 49

Lambert 52

K Davis 54

Schneiderlin 54

Guly 56

Ramirez 60

Cork 78

Yoshida 84

Mayuka 86

Fox 88

Hooiveld 90

Fonte 97

Rodriguez 103

Forren 107

Clyne 111

Gazzaniga 118

S Davis 123

Ward-Prowse 145

Edited 19 February, 2013 by The9

[The9]

Ha, just found this from February, I note the top 8 in the "red zone" on my predictor ranking have all left, as have De Ridder (rated at #19 overall), and the big shock being Forren, who I don't think anyone thought would leave and was ranked 5th safest, what with having a nice long contract and only just having signed !

 

It does show how keen we are to hang onto the younger players though, 9th-13th are all kids who might have been shipped out, and none of them have gone. Chambers has since signed a new deal, and you have to think that all the loanees from last season are now up in the red zone - I might have to see if I've still got the spreadsheet and plug some new figures in

 

Overall though, at the moment, "15" haven't left, only 10 so far. But Sharp, Barnard, Hammond, Lee, Forte and Martin are still here...

[david in sweden]

Ha, just found this from February, I note the top 8 in the "red zone" on my predictor ranking have all left, as have De Ridder (rated at #19 overall), and the big shock being Forren, who I don't think anyone thought would leave and was ranked 5th safest, what with having a nice long contract and only just having signed !

 

It does show how keen we are to hang onto the younger players though, 9th-13th are all kids who might have been shipped out, and none of them have gone. Chambers has since signed a new deal, and you have to think that all the loanees from last season are now up in the red zone - I might have to see if I've still got the spreadsheet and plug some new figures in

 

Overall though, at the moment, "15" haven't left, only 10 so far. But Sharp, Barnard, Hammond, Lee, Forte and Martin are still here...

 

 

 

Good call The 9, ....and of these I expect only Lee to still be here, unless he gets a good offer from a Japanese club.

[The9]

Good call The 9, ....and of these I expect only Lee to still be here, unless he gets a good offer from a Japanese club.

 

Obviously it will depend on interest, but most of the 6 out of favour are likely to also be out of contract in the summer, so I think it will be more likely that they'll be with us (albeit probably on loan somewhere) until January, then we'll start seeing people leave as they'll want to get new deals in place - though the club hasn't shown much inclination to shift people on and pick up a token sum for them by cashing in pre-Bosman previously - maybe it's linked to the FFP turnover/wage cap somehow.

[Mowgli]

I take it we've not made the 15 yet

[The9]

I take it we've not made the 15 yet

 

Correct, 10 gone plus 6 more who may as well not be here as they're clearly not in plans.

[david in sweden]

Obviously it will depend on interest, but most of the 6 out of favour are likely to also be out of contract in the summer, so I think it will be more likely that they'll be with us (albeit probably on loan somewhere) until January, then we'll start seeing people leave as they'll want to get new deals in place - though the club hasn't shown much inclination to shift people on and pick up a token sum for them by cashing in pre-Bosman previously - maybe it's linked to the FFP turnover/wage cap somehow.

 

that sounds like a fair appraisal of the situation The 9, but it would still be better for everyone concerned if they were playing football ....ELSEWHERE as none of them are likely to feature in any match this season.

[Saint Garrett]

Still surprised there has been literally no mention of Hammond anywhere. Almost disappeared of the face of the earth. Deserves a decent club IMO. Great captain and could do a job for a mid table NPC team.

[The9]

that sounds like a fair appraisal of the situation The 9, but it would still be better for everyone concerned if they were playing football ....ELSEWHERE as none of them are likely to feature in any match this season.

 

It would be better for their careers in the longer term, not sure whether there might be shorter term gains to training around Prem players of a higher quality, but there's no guarantee they'll even get to do that, is there ?

[The9]

No particular reason they wouldn't already be out on loan, I would imagine they're sticking around for the League Cup match first, that's what happened last season, Hammond, Lee, Chaplow, Seaborne, Richardson, Hoskins, Reeves and Sharp all featured against Stevenage.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Still surprised there has been literally no mention of Hammond anywhere. Almost disappeared of the face of the earth. Deserves a decent club IMO. Great captain and could do a job for a mid table NPC team.

 

Why mid table? 2nd with us and 4th with Brighton last season! Why does he suddenly get dropped to mid table?

[david in sweden]

Still surprised there has been literally no mention of Hammond anywhere. Almost disappeared of the face of the earth. Deserves a decent club IMO. Great captain and could do a job for a mid table NPC team.

 

I was sure that Brighton would keep him, but he's not mentioned in their squad at all. New broom - didn't like him , ?...or