conaero Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 I know he comes in for a lot of stick and I am a fan but accept he can be woeful at LB sometimes but you cant deny he has a mean cross on him which showed several times against City. So whats the answer, move him up to the wing, train him to defend rather than go forward or ship him out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 Or just keep him as backup for Shaw ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 He is fine as he is... A LB who can come in an do a job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 I was hoping there would be a thread on this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conaero Posted 11 February, 2013 Author Share Posted 11 February, 2013 Maybe but I think his crossing is excellent and should be used more regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 Should have replaced during the transfer window. Can't mark, or cover, as was shown in Man City's goal. And his delivery is very overrated. Still, have to make do until end of season unless we get useful loan in to cover for Shaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 I liked his 60 yard pass to set up our second goal on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 He has a good cross field ball but he can't defend as good as Shaw and he certainly does not bomb down the flank like him. A good squad player at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 What other LB would we get in that is happy to be second choice and is better than Fox? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 Who do you get in for a newly promoted team that is better than fox who is happy to make the bench most weeks And not even the squad in other times? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 Who do you get in for a newly promoted team that is better than fox who is happy to make the bench most weeks And not even the squad in other times? Too slow chief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 Should have replaced during the transfer window. Can't mark, or cover, as was shown in Man City's goal. And his delivery is very overrated. Still, have to make do until end of season unless we get useful loan in to cover for Shaw. I can honestly say I have never agreed with a single one of your footballing posts. This is summed up by the fact that you dont realise prem teams cannot loan players in outside of a transfer window Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunge Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 Maybe but I think his crossing is excellent and should be used more regularly. Is this a joke? Do you just ignore the fact he can't defend because he can cross, kind of vital when your a left back I'd say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 He is nowhere near good enough as a LB in this division. His positional play leaves us exposed on that flank and canny managers exploit it whenever we play him there. It also worries me stiff when he goes up to take corners, as there is no way that he can then get back to defend if the ball is cleared upfield. We should have got in cover for the LB position during the January window. Shaw has been excellent, but whenever he is unavailable I don't consider Fox as adequate back-up for him. He might suffice as left midfield, although if we have Lallana or Rodrigues available, then there is no way that he would be preferred to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 Wes, I would suggest that if he is taking corners, someone else fills in defending for him Again, who is better who is willing to sit on the bench nearly every week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 He is nowhere near good enough as a LB in this division. His positional play leaves us exposed on that flank and canny managers exploit it whenever we play him there. It also worries me stiff when he goes up to take corners, as there is no way that he can then get back to defend if the ball is cleared upfield. We should have got in cover for the LB position during the January window. Shaw has been excellent, but whenever he is unavailable I don't consider Fox as adequate back-up for him. He might suffice as left midfield, although if we have Lallana or Rodrigues available, then there is no way that he would be preferred to them. Please answer my question above. Please also spell Rodriguez's name properly ta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 He's fine as a back up but that's it. The club got lucky that Shaw was able to make the step up straight away though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 He's fine as a back up but that's it. The club got lucky that Shaw was able to make the step up straight away though. the club got lucky? Do you mean that no one at the club had anything to do with him being able to step up, and had no idea he might be any good either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 Sorry, Happy, for not spelling Rodriguez's name correctly. Presumably you knew who I meant though? And why do I have to answer your question? I wasn't replying to anything you said, just giving my opinion to the OP. Instead of assuming that a replacement LB would be sitting on the bench nearly every week, couldn't it possibly be that we could get in a player deemed to be better than Shaw, who is still a youngster learning his trade albeit very promising? If that other thread was to be believed, we were prepared to break the Ramirez record to buy that Morroccan. Surely that would get us quite a promising LB? Do I really have to name the potential candidates? The Delldays: Wes, I would suggest that if he is taking corners, someone else fills in defending for him It relies on quick thinking and discipline to react to the ball coming out quickly form the defence. The problem is exacerbated when Fox takes a corner from the right hand flag. Personally I don't believe that his ability at taking corners is necessarily better than other players in midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 Seems fine to have as back up. To get a left back better than Shaw we would have to pay £10 million plus. So to replace fox you are looking for a player who is better than fox and not as good as shaw and happy to sit on the bench. Hopefully we can find a decent player who could do a decent job at either fullback and maybe dm, then they could be back up for Shaw and Clyne as well as an option in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 Sorry, Happy, for not spelling Rodriguez's name correctly. Presumably you knew who I meant though? And why do I have to answer your question? I wasn't replying to anything you said, just giving my opinion to the OP. Instead of assuming that a replacement LB would be sitting on the bench nearly every week, couldn't it possibly be that we could get in a player deemed to be better than Shaw, who is still a youngster learning his trade albeit very promising? If that other thread was to be believed, we were prepared to break the Ramirez record to buy that Morroccan. Surely that would get us quite a promising LB? Do I really have to name the potential candidates? The Delldays: It relies on quick thinking and discipline to react to the ball coming out quickly form the defence. The problem is exacerbated when Fox takes a corner from the right hand flag. Personally I don't believe that his ability at taking corners is necessarily better than other players in midfield. Happy? You is well funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 To be fair to Fox he really needs better cover than what Rodriguez can offer when asked to play wide left. Jay works his socks off, don't get me wrong, but a striker playing left wing leads to inevitable gaps and some ball watching, as it did on one or two occasions against city. I guess we won't play that formation all the time, but if we are going to leave a full back exposed to 2 on 1 situations we can't moan at the fullback for not stopping crosses coming in. Personally I am happy with Fox as cover. I wonder if he will be happy to play second fiddle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 To be fair to Fox he really needs better cover than what Rodriguez can offer when asked to play wide left. Jay works his socks off, don't get me wrong, but a striker playing left wing leads to inevitable gaps and some ball watching, as it did on one or two occasions against city. I guess we won't play that formation all the time, but if we are going to leave a full back exposed to 2 on 1 situations we can't moan at the fullback for not stopping crosses coming in. Personally I am happy with Fox as cover. I wonder if he will be happy to play second fiddle? Exactly this and what Taj said Unfortunately people see Fox's nsme on the teamsheet and then proceed to scrutinise every little thing they get wrong, much like the Guly situation. He played, we won and he rarely made me worry even though we were doubled up down our left flank. Blaming him for the goal is also harsh and ignores 4-5 other players minimal mistakes which contributed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 News flash: there's no conundrum. We simply use him when we have to. Next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 I liked his 60 yard pass to set up our second goal on Saturday. Was quality.. but his 'hollywood' passes can be frustrating at times. He's 2nd choice, there is no conundrum. He plays when we need him to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 Put in a good shift on Saturday !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 Fox and Hooiveld are two players who can do a job if required and unlike what most people seemed to think will not make a critical mistake every single game they play. However, they have very clear limitations which will lead to them being found out more often than not. Again, this does NOT mean every single game, but just like we can't say they are terrible and should be let go based on 1-2 games, it is now not coherent or right to say that they are starting 11 material based on a single game, even if one against the Champions. Both of them are obviously feeling more confident which helps a lot but have we really become unable to spot their crucial deficiencies? I don't think so. I expect Fox to be a substitute of Shaw at LB as I expect Hooiveld to return to the bench when Fonte is back on full fitness or even when Forren is ready given he's already making the squad after coming from the holiday period of Norwegian football. As I say, the are decent cover. But let's not get carried away, that's all they are and quite frankly I don't think replacing them at the end of the season would create an Adkins-firing style revolt from any of us. As it wouldn't with any of our current squad bar maybe Lambert or Lallana... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 What other LB would we get in that is happy to be second choice and is better than Fox? It doesn't really matter who we replace him with as he is pretty useless - a defensive liability. Move him out ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 He is fine as he is... A LB who can come in an do a job Agreed!...those left wing crosses supplied 11 assists last season. He might not be first choice ahead of Shaw, but we need some decent cover and until we find another good left-footer....keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 It doesn't really matter who we replace him with as he is pretty useless - a defensive liability. Move him out ASAP. Yeah, let's get Olivier Bernard in, it doesn't matter as long as it's ANYONE else. Jesus christ some of you lot really are stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 Yeah, let's get Olivier Bernard in, it doesn't matter as long as it's ANYONE else. Jesus christ some of you lot really are stupid. Im glad your not a moderator any more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 Im glad your not a moderator any more So am I, I don't have to tip toe around some of the daft comments we get on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 So am I, I don't have to tip toe around some of the daft comments we get on here. What curry did you have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 It doesn't really matter who we replace him with as he is pretty useless - a defensive liability. Move him out ASAP. What about me? I'm crap but at least I'm not Fox. Moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 What about me? I'm crap but at least I'm not Fox. Moron. Amazing how some people construde that just because an opinion is expressed that doesn't agree with theirs that the conclusion is they must be a 'moron'. The intellectual capacity for debate totally eludes certain people who seem to think their argument is strengthened by lude remarks. I can assure them it isn't .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 I know he comes in for a lot of stick and I am a fan but accept he can be woeful at LB sometimes but you cant deny he has a mean cross on him which showed several times against City. So whats the answer, move him up to the wing, train him to defend rather than go forward or ship him out? He's shown for Scotland that when he's told to stay back, he stays back. Shaw's clearly done better than him this season but he's done enough against City and United to show he's worth a place in the squad, it's up to him whether he wants to stay or maybe leave and join one of the promoted clubs if an offer comes in, he's more than adequate back up for a bottom half Prem team but might want to play more than we can offer him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
110_Persaint Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 Wouldn't shed a tear to never see him in a Saints shirt again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 We should not forget that 5 short months ago, Fonte, Boruc, Yoshida, Hoojveld, Rodriguez and Steven Davies ALL looked shockingly lacking at this level and have all come good lately (particularly the very impressive Yoshida). Fox had a decent game on Saturday - he's not as good as Shaw but neither should he be written off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 In my opinion he's good enough ...after the acclimatisation culture shock that he and Jos, in particular, suffered at the start of the season they've not let us down. Of course Shaw is currently ahead but he has not sufferred a drop in form or bad injury yet - Fox is a maturing (in a PL sense) and competent replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 Thought Fox looked ok both against City and previously against United. At Old Trafford they certainly had a plan to go after our left side to which he stood scrutiny. I think Shaw will be an outstanding player and clearly our number one, Fox is adequate backup on recent showings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc1976 Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 Looked solid at Celtic because the quality of the wingers he faced was turd. In the prem it's similar to a ford transit versus a deer when someone runs at him. That's if he gets close enough in the first place. Maybe we can make a winger out of him, because he's certainly not a defender. Appreciate what others have said about getting quality to sit on the bench and accept being a replacement though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 the club got lucky? Do you mean that no one at the club had anything to do with him being able to step up, and had no idea he might be any good either? You're right, everyone at the club knew he was ready to be our 1st choice LB, despite the fact we tried to sign a 1st choice left back in the summer and the fact that he started the season as 2nd choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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