SaintBobby Posted 11 February, 2013 Posted 11 February, 2013 Was put to me by a (non-Saints supporting friend) that Lambert and Lallana are, in his view, the best players on the planet not to have won a cap. He added that he thought it wouldn't be long before the same applied to Shaw and Clyne. Flattering stuff - which I obviously didn't seek to contradict! - but is it remotely true? (And could Schneiderlin and Cork be close to being considered too?)
Thedelldays Posted 11 February, 2013 Posted 11 February, 2013 God, we won a game.. We used to always beat the top sides now and then
SaintBobby Posted 11 February, 2013 Author Posted 11 February, 2013 God, we won a game.. We used to always beat the top sides now and then Very true - but our best players back then were full internationals typically, no?
Sour Mash Posted 11 February, 2013 Posted 11 February, 2013 They'd be a fair few Spanish players on that list I'd imagine.
SaintBobby Posted 11 February, 2013 Author Posted 11 February, 2013 They'd be a fair few Spanish players on that list I'd imagine. That has to be true - but no names sprung to mind. I definitely think if you tried to name the best English starting XI with no caps, a fair few Saints players would make the cut.
Thedelldays Posted 11 February, 2013 Posted 11 February, 2013 Very true - but our best players back then were full internationals typically, no? Yes and no. When we beat man united 6-3 We were hardly blessed with top internationals
Saint Charlie Posted 11 February, 2013 Posted 11 February, 2013 Yes and no. When we beat man united 6-3 We were hardly blessed with top internationals The key players were, MLT, Berkovic, Ostenstad. The rest were not top players really.
Sour Mash Posted 11 February, 2013 Posted 11 February, 2013 That has to be true - but no names sprung to mind. I definitely think if you tried to name the best English starting XI with no caps, a fair few Saints players would make the cut. Arteta and Michu off the top of my head.
SaintBobby Posted 11 February, 2013 Author Posted 11 February, 2013 Yes and no. When we beat man united 6-3 We were hardly blessed with top internationals Hmm...well, all our goal scorers that day were full internationals, no?
Thedelldays Posted 11 February, 2013 Posted 11 February, 2013 Hmm...well, all our goal scorers that day were full internationals, no? Maybe But look at the quality of player... There is no way on gods earth was egil better than rickie MLT aside... The rest were very average If it about beings full international rather than quality.... Stern John has oodles of caps
SaintBobby Posted 11 February, 2013 Author Posted 11 February, 2013 Maybe But look at the quality of player... There is no way on gods earth was egil better than rickie MLT aside... The rest were very average If it about beings full international rather than quality.... Stern John has oodles of caps Yep, the thread is about players WITHOUT caps. Plenty of uninspiring players WITH caps. But who are the best player WITHOUT caps. The suggestion isn't that Lallana is better than MLT - just that MLT isn't even considered as he was a full international.
SaintBobby Posted 11 February, 2013 Author Posted 11 February, 2013 Ok. Answer is still no With Michu and Arteta already mentioned, I'm inclined to concur. Although I do think we probably have a good sprinkling of the best English players without caps.
a1ex2001 Posted 11 February, 2013 Posted 11 February, 2013 Lallana and Lambert would get a mention if you wer talking about English players without a cap and I'm sure both would make the starting lineup if you were to draw up a team of current English players who are uncapped. World wide I doubt they are the best people have already pointed out Arteta and Michu and I'm sure if you look at the Spanish league you will find further gems.
saints-cris Posted 11 February, 2013 Posted 11 February, 2013 Watching Carroll yesterday and knowing he's been to a World Cup, and most likely ahead of Lambert in the England set up is a bit baffling.
Smirking_Saint Posted 11 February, 2013 Posted 11 February, 2013 Watching Carroll yesterday and knowing he's been to a World Cup, and most likely ahead of Lambert in the England set up is a bit baffling. Not really, right now I agree but before he went to Liverpool he was very much a player in form and you g at that. The fee paid by Liverpool made him a poor player as he will always be judged on that. He was poor yesterday yes, bug he is just back from injury and playing in a **** poor WHY team. Welbeck, Sturridge and Rooney are all ahead of Lambert, Carroll is younger. Right now Lambert is in top form and arguably should have been in the side with the withdrawals vs Brazil but wasnt, he isnt the future. If lallana keeps it up and stays free from injury he should be there.
Saint Garrett Posted 8 March, 2013 Posted 8 March, 2013 http://fourfourtwo.com/blogs/statszone/archive/2013/03/08/the-unsung-ball-winner-stopping-the-premier-league-in-its-tracks.aspx People are starting to sit up and notice how good Morgan is!
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 March, 2013 Posted 8 March, 2013 Very true - but our best players back then were full internationals typically, no? We had far better teams in the 90's and we were struggling then too.
Noodles34 Posted 8 March, 2013 Posted 8 March, 2013 Why would you start a thread like this? I mean what kind of nobber would even consider the question - in the world! FFS
The9 Posted 8 March, 2013 Posted 8 March, 2013 (edited) Was put to me by a (non-Saints supporting friend) that Lambert and Lallana are, in his view, the best players on the planet not to have won a cap. He added that he thought it wouldn't be long before the same applied to Shaw and Clyne. Flattering stuff - which I obviously didn't seek to contradict! - but is it remotely true? (And could Schneiderlin and Cork be close to being considered too?) Schneiderlin should be much nearer a cap than either Lambert or Lallana on current form, he's been holding us together. Shaw has the little matter of Ashley Cole, Leighton Baines and then (maybe) Ryan Bertrand to contend with. Clyne is decent but not more than an England squad fringe player at best at the moment. Cork isn't even close, and I don't think he's near a call up though he does have the U-21 experience Bertrand has which Lallana is missing. Lambert is worth considering for England when you all think Le Fondre, who has a much better Prem scoring rate and is a lot younger and more likely to improve, is worth a game. I don't think England are likely to rebuild the entire team around Lambert to play to his strengths as Saints have. Michu is far and away the best uncapped player currently playing in the Premier League. Edited 8 March, 2013 by The9
Hatch Posted 8 March, 2013 Posted 8 March, 2013 some people need to be locked up for ours and their safety.
110_Persaint Posted 8 March, 2013 Posted 8 March, 2013 some people need to be locked up for ours and their safety. Care to share a few names?
Saint Stimp Posted 8 March, 2013 Posted 8 March, 2013 Whilst this thread is clearly mental, does anyone else agree that there are few better penalty takers in the world than our own Rickie?
The9 Posted 8 March, 2013 Posted 8 March, 2013 Whilst this thread is clearly mental, does anyone else agree that there are few better penalty takers in the world than our own Rickie? You can't argue with his success rate there.
Saint Mikey Posted 8 March, 2013 Posted 8 March, 2013 As much as I don't like the **** that is Kevin Nolan - he's got a fair greater claim to this, than either of Adam or Rickie. There must be a plethora of other players that have played in the Prem too, not even thinking about before that. Marcus Stewart was the 2nd Top Goalscorer in the Prem one year (top English goalscorer) and never got an England cap...
110_Persaint Posted 8 March, 2013 Posted 8 March, 2013 As much as I don't like the **** that is Kevin Nolan - he's got a fair greater claim to this, than either of Adam or Rickie. There must be a plethora of other players that have played in the Prem too, not even thinking about before that. Marcus Stewart was the 2nd Top Goalscorer in the Prem one year (top English goalscorer) and never got an England cap... One decent season at Bolton (when they got to the champions league) and that was that. Been a run of the mill midfielder since, no better than Corky.
Saint Garrett Posted 8 March, 2013 Posted 8 March, 2013 As much as I don't like the **** that is Kevin Nolan - he's got a fair greater claim to this, than either of Adam or Rickie. There must be a plethora of other players that have played in the Prem too, not even thinking about before that. Marcus Stewart was the 2nd Top Goalscorer in the Prem one year (top English goalscorer) and never got an England cap... Are you taking the **** Nolan is ****ing dreadful!!!!!
Turkish Posted 8 March, 2013 Posted 8 March, 2013 Yes we do! We already knew that when in L1 we were better than England and could beat them easily and we've improved since then so now Saints would probably win the world cup at a canter these days.
rshephard3 Posted 8 March, 2013 Posted 8 March, 2013 Schneiderlin has clearly been as good at his job as Michu this season. Both outstanding players yet to be capped by their countries.
Saint Mikey Posted 9 March, 2013 Posted 9 March, 2013 Are you taking the **** Nolan is ****ing dreadful!!!!! Is now I agree, but he was decent. When Lallana consistently scores more than 10 goals a season from midfield, in the Prem then you can come back and we can have a debate about it...
CaneNero Posted 9 March, 2013 Posted 9 March, 2013 Was put to me by a (non-Saints supporting friend) that Lambert and Lallana are, in his view, the best players on the planet not to have won a cap. He added that he thought it wouldn't be long before the same applied to Shaw and Clyne. Flattering stuff - which I obviously didn't seek to contradict! - but is it remotely true? (And could Schneiderlin and Cork be close to being considered too?) At the moment I'd only argue Lambert definitely deserves his cap. Lallana has been too inconsistent/injured/a bit unlucky this year. However I definitely can see Cork/Schneiderlin/Shaw/Clyne representing their countries one day.
Saint Garrett Posted 9 March, 2013 Posted 9 March, 2013 Is now I agree, but he was decent. When Lallana consistently scores more than 10 goals a season from midfield, in the Prem then you can come back and we can have a debate about it... When did I mention Lallana?! He will never score 10 a season
Turkish Posted 9 March, 2013 Posted 9 March, 2013 Anyone that says Nolan is **** knows f*ck all about football and would claim Ramirez is better value than Johnson based on making up their wages and what might have happenedif Ramirez had played more.
aintforever Posted 9 March, 2013 Posted 9 March, 2013 Was put to me by a (non-Saints supporting friend) that Lambert and Lallana are, in his view, the best players on the planet not to have won a cap. He added that he thought it wouldn't be long before the same applied to Shaw and Clyne. Flattering stuff - which I obviously didn't seek to contradict! - but is it remotely true? (And could Schneiderlin and Cork be close to being considered too?) World, no way. I think your mate is forgetting that England is not a great international side.
stu0x Posted 9 March, 2013 Posted 9 March, 2013 The correct answer is Raphael Varane. Centre back at Real Madrid. Tipped by Zidane to be the best defender in the world within 5 years. Two Clasicos. Two wins. Two goals. No fouls.
Chewy Posted 9 March, 2013 Posted 9 March, 2013 Yes it's a bonkers thread, but schneiderlin must be worth a cap, and lambert is the top scoring Englishman in the league so has a decent claim. No one else yet, though.
Window Cleaner Posted 9 March, 2013 Posted 9 March, 2013 Yes it's a bonkers thread, but schneiderlin must be worth a cap, and lambert is the top scoring Englishman in the league so has a decent claim. No one else yet, though. I doubt that Morgan will get a cap either whilst he is at Saints or whilst Deschamps is manager. Deschamps is obsessed with players playing international football.
Chewy Posted 9 March, 2013 Posted 9 March, 2013 I doubt that Morgan will get a cap either whilst he is at Saints or whilst Deschamps is manager. Deschamps is obsessed with players playing international football. Do you mean european? Anyway, good - don't want the French playing their best 11
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