Olallana Posted 10 February, 2013 Posted 10 February, 2013 yes, a bit this year but definitely next season. He will be immense for us then.
110_Persaint Posted 10 February, 2013 Posted 10 February, 2013 As long as he finds the proper position for him (he is not a like-for-like replacement for Davis) and/or slightly changes our tactics to suit him. If we keep playing our current system there is absolutely no way he can fit in. In that case, which I long not for, he will be offloaded in the summer IMO.
Barry the Badger Posted 10 February, 2013 Posted 10 February, 2013 He can fit into this system. Just needs to work on certain areas of his game.
Miltonroader07 Posted 10 February, 2013 Posted 10 February, 2013 I think The Sherriff will build a team around GR, and next season he will be awesome and then he will F Off and leave for the ££££££ Remember he said that he came to SFC for the money !!!
Smirking_Saint Posted 10 February, 2013 Posted 10 February, 2013 Was outstanding against Everton, so yes
Mr X Posted 10 February, 2013 Posted 10 February, 2013 I think his head is elsewhere certainly not at saints, he is probably missing his own country and friends which is understandable. hopefully things click for him but at the moment hes far too lightweight on the ball and a luxury we cant afford to have in the team on current form! has the talent though
CanadaSaint Posted 10 February, 2013 Posted 10 February, 2013 The pressing game we're playing doesn't really allow for a misfiring cylinder in midfield - that just heaps more weight on the others, and I really do worry about attrition caused by the high work rate. I'd love Ramirez to fit into things but he's going to have to work a lot harder to do so, and then there's the chance that he'll lose the creative side that caused us to spend all that money on him. Fitting Ramirez in, for me, is MP's biggest challenge. If he can do it, look out!
ottery st mary Posted 10 February, 2013 Posted 10 February, 2013 Very confident that Poch and Gaston will come up with the answer.. Various formations to suit the day and the opposition.. Great player and very astute coach... I am quite good as well. Sat in the stands alongside me...My daughter does question how I know more than the coach and the referee..
Smirking_Saint Posted 10 February, 2013 Posted 10 February, 2013 Are people really starting to say Gaston doesnt work hard.....
CanadaSaint Posted 10 February, 2013 Posted 10 February, 2013 Are people really starting to say Gaston doesnt work hard..... Everything's relative. I was fairly pleasantly surprised by his work rate when he arrived but it really needs to move up a few notches if it's to integrate well into the way we're playing.
John Boy Saint Posted 10 February, 2013 Posted 10 February, 2013 I think Rodriguez has become the fly in the Ramirez ointment, probably even more so as with a Spanish father he will have a good command of the language. He seems a bit more at the races when he rotates into the "Ramirez" position. At the moment Ramirez doesn't seem to have the minerals for the Premier League, probably a bit miffed too that we the fans are not bowing down at his feet in adulation at his price tag alone.
VectisSaint Posted 10 February, 2013 Posted 10 February, 2013 God, I hope people stop referring to the manager as MO PO. FFS. Almost as bad as one idiot continuing to call him Pinocchio.
Smirking_Saint Posted 10 February, 2013 Posted 10 February, 2013 Everything's relative. I was fairly pleasantly surprised by his work rate when he arrived but it really needs to move up a few notches if it's to integrate well into the way we're playing. Wow
skintsaint Posted 11 February, 2013 Posted 11 February, 2013 Think Gaston hasn't had a decent run without picking up some sort of niggling injury or being able to complete 90mins which is frustrating both for us and him I imagine. Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2
Andy Durman Posted 11 February, 2013 Posted 11 February, 2013 Gaston will need to work on his fitness in order to fit into this style of football. This style fits people like Cork, Schneiderlin & Davis. I'm not sure Gaston can achieve the same levels of fitness as Davis. It was always the same with MLT.
pimpin4rizeal Posted 11 February, 2013 Posted 11 February, 2013 why is everyone on gastons back lately ? anyone with eyes can see hes one of our most skillful players, hes got a hell of a shot on him even if he hasnt scored a screamer yet u can see hes got it in him, and he can also beat players for fun. i honestly cant believe you guys prefer jayrod to ramirez, jayrod gets the ball stuck under his feet or scuffs his shot 90 percent of the time the puncheon goal saturday came from another bit of jayrods woefull finishing i know he puts a shift in but seriously its like prefering ormerod to berbatov!
niceandfriendly Posted 11 February, 2013 Posted 11 February, 2013 God, I hope people stop referring to the manager as MO PO. FFS. Almost as bad as one idiot continuing to call him Pinocchio. It's fine, just remember anyone who uses it and don't take anything they say seriously in the future.
david in sweden Posted 11 February, 2013 Posted 11 February, 2013 Thoughts ? well, hopefully YES....but if he can't......it was a big waste of money........
david in sweden Posted 11 February, 2013 Posted 11 February, 2013 God, I hope people stop referring to the manager as MO PO. FFS. Almost as bad as one idiot continuing to call him Pinocchio. a lot of people on here can't spell long words Vectis.... you know that. Give them time.
SaintBobby Posted 11 February, 2013 Posted 11 February, 2013 If we play 4-2-3-1, Gaston fits in the slot behind Lambert, right? The formation seems to fit him perfectly already. Also, the new pressing tactics should work for him too. He has quite often won the ball back for us high up the pith. I remain very hopeful, although am still slightly disappointed with what I've seen of Gaston to date.
110_Persaint Posted 11 February, 2013 Posted 11 February, 2013 If we play 4-2-3-1, Gaston fits in the slot behind Lambert, right? The formation seems to fit him perfectly already. Also, the new pressing tactics should work for him too. He has quite often won the ball back for us high up the pith. I remain very hopeful, although am still slightly disappointed with what I've seen of Gaston to date. Not sure what player you're talking about right there. I'm assuming Morgan???
Window Cleaner Posted 11 February, 2013 Posted 11 February, 2013 (edited) Right now I wouldn't forgo either Davis or JRod for Gaston, Gaston might do some nice things from time to time but those 2 are a constant threat to the opposition. For me just now Gaston and Adam will just have to bide their time and do all that's asked of them for 25/30 minutes a game. Neither of them has the 90 minute long intensity required to start just now. JRod is a front man and is always looking to get into the box, Rickie automatically drops off when he does that and it works really well, I'd say SRL is a better hole player than Gaston just now. Edited 11 February, 2013 by Window Cleaner
Bearsy Posted 11 February, 2013 Posted 11 February, 2013 Neither of them has the 90 minute long intensity required. Neither does Stephen Davies, I reckon we'll never see him play 90 minutes under ponch. Dude has half a heart.
Frank's cousin Posted 11 February, 2013 Posted 11 February, 2013 He will - whats more we should not be worried about about having 4-6 players who can play in that forward 3 of of the 4231. I suspect that next season, he will work more on these 3 interchanging, swopping positions when we attack - that fluidity will be critical to when others think they have worked us out. There will also be times when we cant press for 90 minutes in all games - we will need to vary things now and again to keep teh opposition guessing - Ramierz could work very well dropping back a bit and marshalling and looking for that creative pass - but also burst forward. We need a squad for this style and I think Ramirez will play his part. I think he was brought back in too early following his injury, needs a little more time to settle, but we have seen he has class - the boy will do well.
saintstr1 Posted 11 February, 2013 Posted 11 February, 2013 You wont see the best from Gaston untill he is 100% fit and he hasn't been all season , It will come.
CanadaSaint Posted 11 February, 2013 Posted 11 February, 2013 (edited) The other intriguing angle is why (assuming it isn't media bullcrap) we would go for Abdelaziz Barrada (and other high-priced playmakers such as Coutinho) when we've already spent a ton on a player to fill a similar role. Ramirez was signed while Nigel was manager and long before Pochettino was even a twinkle in Cortese's eye, while Barrada and the others were supposedly pursued with Pochettino's full involvement and support. I can only think of two rationales for that, assuming that the stories are accurate. The first is that Pochettino himself has significant doubts about how and whether Ramirez can fit into his system. The second reflects a recognition that the demands of the pressing game will take a toll on all our midfielders, and that we need cover in that more creative position, even if it's very expensive. But that implies that we actually have a budget of mind-blowing proportions. Edit: The third option, I guess, is that we're not bothered about re-signing Puncheon, but we're still talking big budget here. Edited 11 February, 2013 by CanadaSaint Third alternative
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 12 February, 2013 Posted 12 February, 2013 I think The Sherriff will build a team around GR, and next season he will be awesome and then he will F Off and leave for the ££££££ Remember he said that he came to SFC for the money !!! Really? I'm going to have to be the one to say something about this? He didn't say became here for the money. He said he made an offer which would change his life for him and his family (can't telly blame anyone for that, easy to sit in your ivory tower and criticise, but we'd all do the same). But, he also said he came as he wanted to be at a club that focuses on developing young players, ie what he is, and was really impressed with the facilities, and was basically told he would be integral to the future planning of the squad. He said it was this packag and ambition of the club that sold him. Yeah, he's getting a decent pay day, but what international footballer at 21 is going to move country for a pay cut?
tajjuk Posted 12 February, 2013 Posted 12 February, 2013 He was excellent against Everton in the system, poor against Utd where he was marked out of the game and since then he's been injured. He's had 3 or 4 niggle type injuries as well as one fairly lengthy one since he's been here. Don't think we have seen a full fit 100% Gaston yet.. He can easily fit into the system and I don't think the pressing will be an issue for him plus he will be constantly near the goal running at people taking shots etc. Having someone with real pace and ability to go at a man in midfield can change games. Look at all the attention Wilshere is getting, the key to WIlshere's game at the moment is he can burst past people in midfield using his acceleration and dribbling, leaving midfielders in his wake and defenders back peddling, this creates space and confusion. He then has the quality to pick a pass in all the space that then opens up. Gaston can do the same for us. Think of the kind of interplay Lallana, Gaston and Rickie were doing at the start of the season, the quick one twos, flicks and bursts around the box etc Now imagine them doing it more often in the final third because we win the ball back so high. I don't think its a coincidence that some of Gaston's best games for us have been with Lallana in the team. Harsh on Jay Rod and Davis, who have been excellent but once Lallana and Gaston get MP match fit they will be in the team because they have much more quality on the ball than the other two, quality which we will need to break down teams like Reading, QPR, West Brom etc who will play a lot more compact than Man City with bodies behind the ball.
Saint Charlie Posted 12 February, 2013 Posted 12 February, 2013 The other intriguing angle is why (assuming it isn't media bullcrap) we would go for Abdelaziz Barrada (and other high-priced playmakers such as Coutinho) when we've already spent a ton on a player to fill a similar role. Ramirez was signed while Nigel was manager and long before Pochettino was even a twinkle in Cortese's eye, while Barrada and the others were supposedly pursued with Pochettino's full involvement and support. Chelsea often play with Mata, Oscar and Hazard all together. If we bring in better players it would enhance Ramirez IMO. Ultimately for where NC wants to go players like S Davis and Puncheon won't be good enough but they are fine for now.
CanadaSaint Posted 12 February, 2013 Posted 12 February, 2013 Chelsea often play with Mata, Oscar and Hazard all together. If we bring in better players it would enhance Ramirez IMO. Ultimately for where NC wants to go players like S Davis and Puncheon won't be good enough but they are fine for now. Not if we have a coach committed to the high-pressing game, surely? Unless we're talking long term "ultimately".
Saint Charlie Posted 12 February, 2013 Posted 12 February, 2013 (edited) Not if we have a coach committed to the high-pressing game, surely? Unless we're talking long term "ultimately". Why? Its possible to find better players than Davis and Puncheon who will be willing to press. Look at Barca as an example. Pressing is great but to be a much better team you need players with as much ability as possible in the final third to take advantage when you win the ball back. Those attacking mid positions are probably the most vital so Im sure we will look to add options there. Edited 12 February, 2013 by Saint Charlie
orchardsaint Posted 12 February, 2013 Posted 12 February, 2013 why is everyone on gastons back lately ? anyone with eyes can see hes one of our most skillful players, hes got a hell of a shot on him even if he hasnt scored a screamer yet u can see hes got it in him, and he can also beat players for fun. i honestly cant believe you guys prefer jayrod to ramirez, jayrod gets the ball stuck under his feet or scuffs his shot 90 percent of the time the puncheon goal saturday came from another bit of jayrods woefull finishing i know he puts a shift in but seriously its like prefering ormerod to berbatov! ormerod was class though!
SaintDan Posted 12 February, 2013 Posted 12 February, 2013 Next season he will be our star man, play a blinder at the world cup and be sold for twice what we paid for him to Real Madrid/PSG
CanadaSaint Posted 12 February, 2013 Posted 12 February, 2013 There seems to be a renewed buzz about Ramirez heading back to Italy (Fiorentina or Inter) in the summer, so I'm still not convinced that he's a key figure in Pochettino's plans. MP's starting line-ups from here on will be a good guide. You don't spend that much on a player just to use him as an impact sub.
david in sweden Posted 12 February, 2013 Posted 12 February, 2013 Yeah, he's getting a decent pay day, but what international footballer at 21 is going to move country for a pay cut? If he were to go to Juventus or Milan, he'd get a higher salary.....they seem to be able to print their own money......is that why Italy's economy is in such a state, I wonder?
david in sweden Posted 12 February, 2013 Posted 12 February, 2013 ormerod was class though! yes he was.... but sadly not Prem.class.
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 12 February, 2013 Posted 12 February, 2013 Why assume that when a player is not performing up to expectations then the blame for this situation must lay with his manager, rather than with the player himself? Has Rafael Benitez been able to magically transform Fernando Torres back into the player he was a few years ago? Was it ever likely he could? I see the Saintsweb excuse factory is running at maximum production again with plenty of 'he's not fit' or 'wait until next season' views being aired. Well maybe, but I must say I don't find either of these arguments fully convincing at this time. If Gaston Ramirez is struggling to adapt to the demands of the Premier League - and lets face it he certainly is - then maybe this player needs to take a long hard look at himself before we start spreading the blame around too widely ... So some kind of mirror would seem to be in order then.
Turkish Posted 12 February, 2013 Posted 12 February, 2013 Why assume that when a player is not performing up to expectations then the blame for this situation must lay with his manager, rather than with the player himself? Has Rafael Benitez been able to magically transform Fernando Torres back into the player he was a few years ago? Was it ever likely he could? I see the Saintsweb excuse factory is running at maximum production again with plenty of 'he's not fit' or 'wait until next season' views being aired. Well maybe, but I must say I don't find either of these arguments fully convincing at this time. If Gaston Ramirez is struggling to adapt to the demands of the Premier League - and lets face it he certainly is - then maybe this player needs to take a long hard look at himself before we start spreading the blame around too widely ... So some kind of mirror would seem to be in order then. What does your 6 year old make of it all Charlie?
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 12 February, 2013 Posted 12 February, 2013 What does your 6 year old make of it all Charlie? Well I'll ask him. At the moment he's just happy to have gotten his QPR ticket in the post this morning.
Turkish Posted 12 February, 2013 Posted 12 February, 2013 Well I'll ask him. At the moment he's just happy to have gotten his QPR ticket in the post this morning. Has he not been commenting all season on the performances of Ramirez then?
Saint Charlie Posted 12 February, 2013 Posted 12 February, 2013 Come on, Ramirez has largely been very good at home and not so good away. He is 22 and adjusting to a new football style, he will be fine. We will see the best of him next season.
Wade Garrett Posted 13 February, 2013 Posted 13 February, 2013 Talksport saying Fiorentina could be back in for him. Personally, I reckon he's a gifted footballer, and Pochettino will get the best from him. I don't reckon he'll leave anyway, as most other clubs will struggle to match his wages.
Saint Fan CaM Posted 13 February, 2013 Posted 13 February, 2013 The pressing game we're playing doesn't really allow for a misfiring cylinder in midfield - that just heaps more weight on the others, and I really do worry about attrition caused by the high work rate. I'd love Ramirez to fit into things but he's going to have to work a lot harder to do so, and then there's the chance that he'll lose the creative side that caused us to spend all that money on him. Fitting Ramirez in, for me, is MP's biggest challenge. If he can do it, look out! Top post Sir - agree wholeheartedly.
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