sidthesquid Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Since the start of the new era we have signed 34 players (excluding a few short term loans) and the vast majority of them have at the very least served a valuable short-term purpose in the context of where we were at the time, and some have been bargains beyond your wildest dreams. So, my take... Graeme Murty - FAILURE, but only because of injury Dan Harding - SUCCESS, excellent in L1, if not above Rickie Lambert - SUCCESS X 100 Dean Hammond - SUCCESS, if not quite Prem standard Rahdi Jaidi - SUCCESS, excellent in L1, if not above Papa Wigo N'Diaye - SUCCESS, if only just Michail Antonio - SUCCESS , did a job in L1 David Connolly - SUCCESS, came for nothing & scored some vital goals in L1 and the Champ Jon Otsemobor -FAILURE, very average & all but forgotten (but better than Lloyd James at fb) Jose Fonte - SUCCESS, a L1 signing cutting it in the Prem Dan Seaborne - FAILURE, never quite lived up to expectations Lee Barnard - SUCCESS, another that was excellent in L1, if not above Jason Puncheon - SUCCESS, eventually! Aaron Martin - FAILURE, if it's fair to judge a signing from Eastleigh in those terms Danny Butterfield - SUCCESS, in as much that he was only ever signed as cover and has never let us down Ryan Dickson - FAILURE, he never quite cracked it with us Guly do Prado - SUCCESS, he's playing in the Prem... Richard Chaplow - SUCCESS, just, but had some good moments for us Frazer Richardson - SUCCESS, good in L1 & the Champ Jonathan Forte - FAILURE, apart from that one game was possibly the worst signing of all Jack Cork - SUCCESS, what an absolute bargain he was Steve de Ridder - FAILURE, but only just. Scored some valuable goals, but never quite lived up to our hopes Danny Fox - SUCCESS, not everyone will agree, but excellent last season and still a good back-up in the Prem Jos Hooiveld - SUCCESS, came from Celtic reserves to having a MoM against the English champs Tadanari Lee - FAILURE, so far because of injury, but still has time to come good Billy Sharp - SUCCESS, because his goals were crucial last season Nathaniel Clyne - SUCCESS, a future England player bought for a snip Jay Rodriguez - SUCCESS, starting to look worth every penny Steve Davis - SUCCESS, again what a bargain Emmanuel Mayuka - FAILURE, but only because he hasn't yet had a chance to prove otherwise Maya Yoshida - SUCCESS, looks every bit a Prem player Gaston Ramirez - SUCCESS already with the potential for so much more Paolo Gazzaniga - SUCCESS, just so far, but with the promise of much more Artur Boruc - SUCCESS, and starting to look like another bargain By my reckoning only 8 of 34 were poor signings, and only 3 or 4 really failed to live up to hopes ( I bet Harry's ratio wouldn't stand comparison) and at least a dozen absolute steals amongst the above. So, I would say hats off to Les Reed and all his backroom boys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Flyer to this thread please..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Les Reed not got much wrong...seeing as he is the first to get slated on these issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Flyer to this thread please..... Yes please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Red Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 It's only fair to judge players at the end of their stay with us, so I don't think you can judge Lee or Mayuka yet. The best is still to come from both of them. PS - In the transfer thread only a couple of weeks ago it was said by more than one that S Davis was crap and we were ripped off for £800k. A slight change in system, an injury healing, a confidence boost or a kick up the arse can make all the difference. I don't think any of our signings in the last 2 years don't have the talent to make it. Lets see what MP can make of them. Interesting that he shipped De Ridder out straight away though. Surplus? or trying to get him some game playing confidence (which failed yesterday as he was taken off after 58 minutes with Bolton 1 down, and then they came back to win 2-1) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 (edited) Since the start of the new era we have signed 34 players (excluding a few short term loans) and the vast majority of them have at the very least served a valuable short-term purpose in the context of where we were at the time, and some have been bargains beyond your wildest dreams. So, my take... Graeme Murty - FAILURE, but only because of injury Dan Harding - SUCCESS, excellent in L1, if not above Rickie Lambert - SUCCESS X 100 Dean Hammond - SUCCESS, if not quite Prem standard Rahdi Jaidi - SUCCESS, excellent in L1, if not above Papa Wigo N'Diaye - SUCCESS, if only just Michail Antonio - SUCCESS , did a job in L1 David Connolly - SUCCESS, came for nothing & scored some vital goals in L1 and the Champ Jon Otsemobor -FAILURE, very average & all but forgotten (but better than Lloyd James at fb) Jose Fonte - SUCCESS, a L1 signing cutting it in the Prem Dan Seaborne - FAILURE, never quite lived up to expectations Lee Barnard - SUCCESS, another that was excellent in L1, if not above Jason Puncheon - SUCCESS, eventually! Aaron Martin - FAILURE, if it's fair to judge a signing from Eastleigh in those terms Danny Butterfield - SUCCESS, in as much that he was only ever signed as cover and has never let us down Ryan Dickson - FAILURE, he never quite cracked it with us Guly do Prado - SUCCESS, he's playing in the Prem... Richard Chaplow - SUCCESS, just, but had some good moments for us Frazer Richardson - SUCCESS, good in L1 & the Champ Jonathan Forte - FAILURE, apart from that one game was possibly the worst signing of all Jack Cork - SUCCESS, what an absolute bargain he was Steve de Ridder - FAILURE, but only just. Scored some valuable goals, but never quite lived up to our hopes Danny Fox - SUCCESS, not everyone will agree, but excellent last season and still a good back-up in the Prem Jos Hooiveld - SUCCESS, came from Celtic reserves to having a MoM against the English champs Tadanari Lee - FAILURE, so far because of injury, but still has time to come good Billy Sharp - SUCCESS, because his goals were crucial last season Nathaniel Clyne - SUCCESS, a future England player bought for a snip Jay Rodriguez - SUCCESS, starting to look worth every penny Steve Davis - SUCCESS, again what a bargain Emmanuel Mayuka - FAILURE, but only because he hasn't yet had a chance to prove otherwise Maya Yoshida - SUCCESS, looks every bit a Prem player Gaston Ramirez - SUCCESS already with the potential for so much more Paolo Gazzaniga - SUCCESS, just so far, but with the promise of much more Artur Boruc - SUCCESS, and starting to look like another bargain By my reckoning only 8 of 34 were poor signings, and only 3 or 4 really failed to live up to hopes ( I bet Harry's ratio wouldn't stand comparison) and at least a dozen absolute steals amongst the above. So, I would say hats off to Les Reed and all his backroom boys Dany N'Guessan?? Sorry! Short term loan I N`Guess. Edited 10 February, 2013 by miserableoldgit Didn`t read OP enough! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Dany N'Guessan?? he was only a loan if I remember it correct...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint J 77 Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Richard Chaplow - SUCCESS, just, but had some good moments for us... His form at the start of last season was a big part of the first half of our seasons push for promotion. Also did a great job for us in league 1 when he came in. So I'd go as far to say not only a success but a massive bargin as well for only 50k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 10 February, 2013 Author Share Posted 10 February, 2013 It's only fair to judge players at the end of their stay with us, so I don't think you can judge Lee or Mayuka yet. The best is still to come from both of them. Totally agree, but I had to put them in one category or the other & I think they will be passed as successes in time. The point I was trying to make was that, odd as a transfer committee might seem, they clearly do a lot of research and give purchases a lot of consideration, and as a consequence most have been very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
110_Persaint Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Jay Rodriguez - SUCCESS, starting to look worth every penny Steve Davis - SUCCESS, again what a bargain Emmanuel Mayuka - FAILURE, but only because he hasn't yet had a chance to prove otherwise Davis and JayRod needed about 30 odd appearances between them to finally prove their worth. Yet Mayuka is already branded a failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Gaston Ramirez - SUCCESS already with the potential for so much more Seriously? He may well still have potential and he may well turn into a star performer for us over a long period of time but if he left tomorrow there could be no way you could describe his signing as a 'success', in fact I would argue it is quite the opposite. The lad has had about 2 good matches and they were both at home. He has a lot to prove IMHO and at the moment he is not even a starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Since the start of the new era we have signed 34 players (excluding a few short term loans) and the vast majority of them have at the very least served a valuable short-term purpose in the context of where we were at the time, and some have been bargains beyond your wildest dreams. So, my take... Graeme Murty - FAILURE, but only because of injury Dan Harding - SUCCESS, excellent in L1, if not above Rickie Lambert - SUCCESS X 100 Dean Hammond - SUCCESS, if not quite Prem standard Rahdi Jaidi - SUCCESS, excellent in L1, if not above Papa Wigo N'Diaye - SUCCESS, if only just Michail Antonio - SUCCESS , did a job in L1 David Connolly - SUCCESS, came for nothing & scored some vital goals in L1 and the Champ Jon Otsemobor -FAILURE, very average & all but forgotten (but better than Lloyd James at fb) Jose Fonte - SUCCESS, a L1 signing cutting it in the Prem Dan Seaborne - FAILURE, never quite lived up to expectations Lee Barnard - SUCCESS, another that was excellent in L1, if not above Jason Puncheon - SUCCESS, eventually! Aaron Martin - FAILURE, if it's fair to judge a signing from Eastleigh in those terms Danny Butterfield - SUCCESS, in as much that he was only ever signed as cover and has never let us down Ryan Dickson - FAILURE, he never quite cracked it with us Guly do Prado - SUCCESS, he's playing in the Prem... Richard Chaplow - SUCCESS, just, but had some good moments for us Frazer Richardson - SUCCESS, good in L1 & the Champ Jonathan Forte - FAILURE, apart from that one game was possibly the worst signing of all Jack Cork - SUCCESS, what an absolute bargain he was Steve de Ridder - FAILURE, but only just. Scored some valuable goals, but never quite lived up to our hopes Danny Fox - SUCCESS, not everyone will agree, but excellent last season and still a good back-up in the Prem Jos Hooiveld - SUCCESS, came from Celtic reserves to having a MoM against the English champs Tadanari Lee - FAILURE, so far because of injury, but still has time to come good Billy Sharp - SUCCESS, because his goals were crucial last season Nathaniel Clyne - SUCCESS, a future England player bought for a snip Jay Rodriguez - SUCCESS, starting to look worth every penny Steve Davis - SUCCESS, again what a bargain Emmanuel Mayuka - FAILURE, but only because he hasn't yet had a chance to prove otherwise Maya Yoshida - SUCCESS, looks every bit a Prem player Gaston Ramirez - SUCCESS already with the potential for so much more Paolo Gazzaniga - SUCCESS, just so far, but with the promise of much more Artur Boruc - SUCCESS, and starting to look like another bargain By my reckoning only 8 of 34 were poor signings, and only 3 or 4 really failed to live up to hopes ( I bet Harry's ratio wouldn't stand comparison) and at least a dozen absolute steals amongst the above. So, I would say hats off to Les Reed and all his backroom boys did you rate ramirez a success on current form or purely on undelivered as yet potential? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Harsh on Martin, was fine in the Championship and may still develop, maybe not to PL standard though. Judging Lee or Mayuka yet is silly, I think we will see Lee back in the team before too long, has been on the bench for last 3 or 4 games, quite clear that he was more than good enough in the Championship, but injury has cost him a year. Even Murty could be judged a success, we've now gained a useful coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 I'd agree with most of them, although I think De Ridder was a success for us. We only really ever played him as a sub, and he always put in a lot and scored his fair share as well. By your list it doesn't look like you've counted the cost of players as a factor, because by that reckoning I'd say Ramirez is a failure SO FAR, he still has time to improve... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 I'd agree with most of them, although I think De Ridder was a success for us. We only really ever played him as a sub, and he always put in a lot and scored his fair share as well. . "Scored his fair share"??! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 "Scored his fair share"??! But what a goal it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pressingon Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Interesting that most of your preceived failures have been in our quest for a quick wide man ie Jonathan Forte, Steve de Ridder, Tadanari Lee and Emmanuel Mayuka What a shame we couldn't keep Oxo for a couple of seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Forte is a success just for those 2 goals against MK Dons. He's not horrendous and came in to do a job for us. Thing is a lot of the 'failures' cost bugger all, so the risk is a lot less. There aren't many that I'd say are a failure to be honest. Only ones which you could argue are Mayuka Gazza, and Gaston, all who are very young and Mayuka hasn't had a chance. Gazza looks ok, and will be a good keeper but wasnt ready for the prem, and Gaston has shown flashes of brilliance but will take time to adjust. Whether its longer than what we expected doesn't really matter, but he's clearly got massive talent and it's not like we wouldn't be able to shift him if necessary, Majority of our signings in recent years were players who have come in to do a job or to give us alternate options to what we already had. De Ridder is average, but he did do ok last year and gave us pace, despite not being very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 10 February, 2013 Author Share Posted 10 February, 2013 It is very hard to judge the most recent signings, I fully accept that, and personally I don't think any of the signings have been unjustified or plain bad (even Jonno Quick), which was sort of my point. Whatever we may think of Les Reed and his committee, our signing process looks very good compared to most, especially the 'Arry approach of buying anyone available and worry about it later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 I'd agree with most of them, although I think De Ridder was a success for us. We only really ever played him as a sub, and he always put in a lot and scored his fair share as well. By your list it doesn't look like you've counted the cost of players as a factor, because by that reckoning I'd say Ramirez is a failure SO FAR, he still has time to improve... well.... he managed just 3 goals in 36 apps. prior to his loan to Bolton. I can think of several dozen midfielders in the past 20 years who have a better average than that .....so what's a " fair share "? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Don't think any of those were total failures. You missed out quite a few though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsAhoy Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Most of his appearances were from the bench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
channonball Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Pardews signings were the best! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Pardews signings were the best! Was les Reed not around then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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