Neef Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 If he keeps playing like that then surely he may become 1st choice over Ramirez? Came on against United at half time and no surprise we dominated the 2nd half. Yesterday he was fantastic, his energy levels fit Pochettino's philosophy perfectly. Ramirez is not lazy but Davis is on another level when it comes to pressing. You can tell he is extremely fit and was supporting Cork/Schneid in midfield; offering them an easy option when the more direct ball was not on. But he also got forward to support the attack, as seen by his goal. Think the key difference between him and Ramirez though is that Davis can fill in at a deeper position if either Cork or Spider decide to roam forward. With those three in the cnetre of midfield, we have the energy but most importantly still have the technique to out battle almost any midfield. When Ramirez, plays behind Lambert, we lose some of that aggression and he is alot easier to mark as his position rarely changes; not too mention his ineffectiveness when he have to defend deep and hold on. With 1/2 of Cork/Schneiderlin/Davis bursting from deep, it makes it very hard for defenders and opposition midfielders to pick them up as they don't know who will make the run. Thats my take on it anyway, what do you all think? Davis to start over Ramirez, even when Ramirez is fit again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Don't know what will become of Gaston, he's got it all to do now I think. Not even sure that Lallana will have an easy path towards being first choice again. JRod looks very strong nowadays and he's a lot faster than Adam; Still it's a squad game and there will probably be a couple of new additions in the summer as well. Can see Gaston being moved on though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 I think gaston is a different kind of player, and is one for the future. Just seems a little lost at the moment. But no doubt he has ability, and that will click soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Is Ramirez injured? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Davis is certainly a useful squad player at the very least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 JROD is 1st choice now for sho..... Brilliant last few weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 For me it was no surprise that our performances drastically improved when Davis replaced Gaston at United and at Wigan. Ramirez is far too much of a luxury and he clearly doesn't fit in with our new style of play under MP. He is far too predictable and easy to defend against, and more often than not expects to waltz past defenders which invariably ends up giving away possession. Davis has been the key in the last few games for me: the missing piece of the puzzle if you like. Barring injuries, it's really hard to see how Gaston will reclaim a place in the starting 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom28 Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 I don't know why but some of our fans seem to have this mindset that we must have a starting XI and that anyone that doesn't fit into that can be considered surplus to requirements. When we kicked off yesterday, I had this sense of calm and reassurance purely as a result of having someone with the ability of Lallana on the bench. If we add Ramirez to that, Fonte, Guly then it can only be a positive thing. Long season, players will come in and out of the starting XI for various reasons. Ramirez has the same role to play as everyone else in that squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom28 Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 And one other thing, this idea of Ramirez not fitting into the way MP plays...nonsense. Anyone who watched the first half against Everton knows that he can. But even if he couldn't, the way MP wants us to play isn't going to work everytime, we'll need a plan B and Ramirez can offer something different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Not even sure that Lallana will have an easy path towards being first choice again. Lallana has to be put back in the starting XI every week once he's 100%, otherwise fans are going to start turning against Pochettino if there's any hint we might lose him. Lallana on the left for me, no need for Ramirez, switch between Davis in attacking midfield and Rodriguez as second striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 I think gaston is a different kind of player, and is one for the future. Just seems a little lost at the moment. But no doubt he has ability, and that will click soon. please dont tell me we spent £12m on a player for the future... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Lallana has to be put back in the starting XI every week once he's 100%, otherwise fans are going to start turning against Pochettino if there's any hint we might lose him. Lallana on the left for me, no need for Ramirez, switch between Davis in attacking midfield and Rodriguez as second striker. why does he have to be put back automatically, doubt if NC pays MP to be influenced by what the fans think, that was Adkins' problem. JRod is strong and fast, he worries defenders merely by his presence, not sure that AL has that effect as yet. Barry's OG was unnecessary but with JRod dropping on him like a speeding express it made him act badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 please dont tell me we spent £12m on a player for the future... We did that with a young French lad once, and that worked out okay. It takes players time to adapt to the country as wll as the club. Ramirez is clearly hugely talented, but it could easily be another twelve months before we see the best of him. At the moment Davis and Rodriguez are ahead of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 We did that with a young French lad once, and that worked out okay. It takes players time to adapt to the country as wll as the club. Ramirez is clearly hugely talented, but it could easily be another twelve months before we see the best of him. At the moment Davis and Rodriguez are ahead of him. a young french lad cost £1m...not a spanking £12m transfer busting, supposed one of europes top young players... I think MP will get the best out of him personally..but the idea we spent £12m for a player to not really contribute is utterly luaghable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 a young french lad cost £1m...not a spanking £12m transfer busting, supposed one of europes top young players... I think MP will get the best out of him personally..but the idea we spent £12m for a player to not really contribute is utterly luaghable agree with that. What do you think is the main reason gaston gives the ball away so much? Is it because he tries to do too much with it ie showboating and tricks is it because he's disinterested? Because he's not well suited to the prem? Or simply because he's nowhere near as good a player as we thought he was and when we offered 12 million they bit our arm off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 agree with that. What do you think is the main reason gaston gives the ball away so much? Is it because he tries to do too much with it ie showboating and tricks is it because he's disinterested? Because he's not well suited to the prem? Or simply because he's nowhere near as good a player as we thought he was and when we offered 12 million they bit our arm off! if we stay up..he will stay I reckon but next season will be a big one for him....he will need to improve dramatically to stay with us after. he clearly has the skills to go to the top...but does he have the work rate required for an MP or even premier league team.. as you can see, we very much defend from the front at the front... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinR Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 please dont tell me we spent £12m on a player for the future... Wenger was criticized by the fans for spunking 15 million on a player for the future. One AOC. Ambitious clubs will do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Gaston Ramirez is a luxury player. When we're winning and comfortable he looks one hell of a palyer, but when the pressure is on - away from home in particular - he struggles and doesn't (yet) have the necessary mental or physical strength for those situations. In many ways, he's similar to Hatem Ben Arfa. When Newcastle were flying last year he was their star player, stand out every week. This year he's been in and out of the side with injury, and when he has played he has been noticeably poor. Certain players respond differently to adversity and it seems to me as if Ramirez doesn't quite have the mentality to deal with it. If we stay up this year and grow next year, he will start to show us the player he really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinR Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Gaston Ramirez is a luxury player. When we're winning and comfortable he looks one hell of a palyer, but when the pressure is on - away from home in particular - he struggles and doesn't (yet) have the necessary mental or physical strength for those situations. In many ways, he's similar to Hatem Ben Arfa. When Newcastle were flying last year he was their star player, stand out every week. This year he's been in and out of the side with injury, and when he has played he has been noticeably poor. Certain players respond differently to adversity and it seems to me as if Ramirez doesn't quite have the mentality to deal with it. If we stay up this year and grow next year, he will start to show us the player he really is. Not certain about that argument... Ramirez was in a Bologna side last year that was fighting relegation and was credited for being the reason they stayed up (or even got to mid table I think ) He just needs time. And patience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Not certain about that argument... Ramirez was in a Bologna side last year that was fighting relegation and was credited for being the reason they stayed up (or even got to mid table I think ) He just needs time. And patience I don't think Bologna were ever fighting relegation last season. They had a solid mid-table season and finished 8th I think, with over 50 pts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Shows how amazingly good our midfielders have been that we can even contemplate leaving out a fit Lallana and Ramirez from the starting eleven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Wenger was criticized by the fans for spunking 15 million on a player for the future. One AOC. Ambitious clubs will do that. we are not arsenal..we are not one of the richest clubs/sporting clubs in the world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 But I though JRod and Davis were indicators of how poor our summer shopping was? Not an awful scenario is it? Having players the calibre of Lallana and Gaston having to earn their way back into the side. Same possibly goes for Fonte and Forren (in his case clearly just breaking in). And I thought the great oracles of Saintsweb had decreed our squad was too thin. Onwards and upwards, come on you saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintmatt Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 I don't know why but some of our fans seem to have this mindset that we must have a starting XI and that anyone that doesn't fit into that can be considered surplus to requirements. When we kicked off yesterday, I had this sense of calm and reassurance purely as a result of having someone with the ability of Lallana on the bench. If we add Ramirez to that, Fonte, Guly then it can only be a positive thing. Long season, players will come in and out of the starting XI for various reasons. Ramirez has the same role to play as everyone else in that squad. And one other thing, this idea of Ramirez not fitting into the way MP plays...nonsense. Anyone who watched the first half against Everton knows that he can. But even if he couldn't, the way MP wants us to play isn't going to work everytime, we'll need a plan B and Ramirez can offer something different. Spot on. Why do all the sensible posters have such low post counts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintmatt Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Davis was MotM for me. The difference between how NA used him and how MP uses him is quite marked, its like having a new player. He is now showing what many of us thought he would, but have been disappointed with his displays until MP took over. Illustrates to me one of the reasons why NA had taken us as far as he could. Great bloke, shabby treatment, but he clearly wasn't getting the best out of the very talented squad that we have (in hindsight). This higher tempo, in your face game plan of MP is more exciting to watch and we have at last learned not to "respect" the opposition. We are Southampton, we're taking the **** - never thought I'd hear that again against the PL champions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 ALL players will need to earn their place and with the very high tempo pressing game we are playing we will need plenty of fresh legs on the bench. It really is a squad game now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinR Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 we are not arsenal..we are not one of the richest clubs/sporting clubs in the world And it we keep thinking things like this... we never will be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 And it we keep thinking things like this... we never will be thinking that does not generate hundreds of millions of ££££££ owners with very deep pockets does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Gaston is injured, hence why he didn't play. Tough selection choices for MP but i think we'll need Gaston's creativity against some other teams. Remember Man City attacked us and played to win and dominate the game, Someone like QPR won't play like that, they'll sit deep and pack the box, that's when we'll need the like of Gaston and Lallana. Also Gaston pressed and harried well against Everton and was a real threat, that was under MP's system. I reckon he'll start most games once fit but get less 90 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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