georgeweahscousin Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Considering how good Yoshida is becoming after a reasonably small transfer fee, should Forren turn out to be just as shrewd, it will be very hard to pick a weakness in our best XI? Hooiveld was great yesterday, but I am sure his inability on the ball will seem him phased out for Forren (one he is fit), and Fonte will likely be backup. Potentially we have a very good ball playing back four:- Clyne Forren Yoshida Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFSFC Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Jos was awesome yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Jos was awesome yesterday. Agree he was very good at mopping up and made some crucial interceptions. But he is still too panicky in playing the ball out of defence and gives it straight back to the oppo on too many occasions for my liking. It doesn't really fit with the style of the rest of the team either. I realise that there are times when "If in doubt, get it out" is appropriate, but a few times last night he played some very hurried long punts upfield to nobody when he had time and space to pick out a red shirt instead. That's why I think he will be dropped as soon as Forren is fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 On another note, how long before Fonte is fit again ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 God, we are playing really well and have our first choice players not starting. The future is bright. Have we signed up punch yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Jos was puffing out of his arse yesterday come 65 minutes. How he found the energy to keep going for the remaining 25 minutes only God knows! He was top drawer to be fair to him. Won everything in the air, was doing very well on the floor as well. He would be my choice for replacement however when Forren comes in. Forren and Yoshida could be a very shrewd, yet top quality centre back pairing. Forren is apparently very good on the ground and Yoshida wins a hell of a lot of headers considering his size. I feel they could potentially be one of the best centre back pairings we've had in a long long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Talking about CBs, how s**t was Garcia? Love the way Lambert did him twice for pace at the start of the second half -first resulting in the square ball to Punch and then Barry's calm side footed finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bentley Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Talking about CBs, how s**t was Garcia? Love the way Lambert did him twice for pace at the start of the second half -first resulting in the square ball to Punch and then Barry's calm side footed finished. Garcia isn't a CB naturally. He usually plays defensive midfield. Which made it baffling when Mancini took off Lescott, their only recognised CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Talking about CBs, how s**t was Garcia? Love the way Lambert did him twice for pace at the start of the second half -first resulting in the square ball to Punch and then Barry's calm side footed finished. He isnt a CB he is a defensive midfielder, and although I think is very good in the hole ( and in the air FWIW) is much like Mertesacker, turns like a bus and moves like one whose wheels have fell off. Im looking forward to seeing Forren but Maya is first choice for me, then Fonte, Forren may challenge though, thats what he has been bought for. I do slate Jos, but he was outstanding yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Bentley, SS - fair enough. Still to see Lambert outpace anyone was a sight to behold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 I wouldn't want to be the one to have to choose two of our four centre-backs... and I won't judge Forren until I see how he fits into our team, because honestly I was happy with Fonte and Yoshi, and Hooiveld's looking miles better than he was too now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Good to have competition and a SQUAD forming nicely:) But still...punters want to get rid of Ramirez or Davis when he was having a slow start to the season in the wrong position... Or Punch when he missed a couple of shots. Or Rikeee when he didn't get the ball a few times whilst being fouled everytime...........Have you all noticed how faster SRL since he was asked to join the GB sprint squad ready for Rio.. Ghosting past City defenders at will..... Even the likes of Foxy and Richy are adequate cover for our star full backs until we get Johnston and Cole in as cover.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 I'll make my observations on Forren when I've seen him play. PS. Will be at the Bucks Head tomorrow (Monday 11th. KO 1900 - 7pm for the non Europeans) with Nipper and Grandsons to see Saints Under 21's v Wolves Under 21's.Hope to be able to make a few 'observations' on some of our Youngsters after the game. (Ground is only 10 minutes walk from my house) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick1976.4.38 Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 its going to be hard to drop any cbs at the moment for forren especially as jos has played so well last few games, tough job being a manager of saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 If anyone had said this after the Arsenal away game, I'd have laughed in their face, but... Hooiveld, Fonte and Yoshida are all good enough for this league. Add Forren to that list and it looks like we have 4 strong CBs to start next season with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinR Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Maybe three at the back is being considered. Didnt Martinez do it at Wigan last season? Forren, Fonte, Yoshi... with Clyne and Shaw playing wing back. Almost an old skool 3-5-2. It did look to me like we were playing 4 4 2 yesterday, with Jay and Rickie up top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas J Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 Maybe three at the back is being considered. Didnt Martinez do it at Wigan last season? Forren, Fonte, Yoshi... with Clyne and Shaw playing wing back. Almost an old skool 3-5-2. It did look to me like we were playing 4 4 2 yesterday, with Jay and Rickie up top. In my opinion, that's exactly what any club with the luxury of being able to do that, should do. However, you have a Spanish coach now with a fanciful ego, and will probably be trying to make a diamond shape or asymmetric wings concept work with the express intention of trying to walk it in instead. If you had an Italian or German coach, maybe. There are many reasons for why Juventus has been one of the most consistent game winners among the continent's top clubs lately, their tactics being at the very top of that list. (Their individual players certainly not "stellar", though a couple outstanding and the rest above average) 3-5-2 is a typical formation where you can always get goals no matter how "on form" your strikers are, as team goals are more likely, both from crosses and shots from midfielders. All with the least risky sacrifice of defence. I think if Saints adopt a 3-5-2 you can become one of the strongest clubs in the premiership, but as usual, you need a coach that can make it work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 In my opinion, that's exactly what any club with the luxury of being able to do that, should do. However, you have a Spanish coach now You sure on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 Yoshida's mistake that led to the City goal reminded me of Dan Seaborne against MK Dons. As the ball came out of City's area after the Saints' corner, Yosh committed himself to a hopeless tackle instead of getting back to the defence line. He did get back as far as midfield, but was still hopelessly out of position when City scored. One mistake doesn't cast a player out of the team, although it did for Seaborne who was rarely picked by Akins after his error. It might just mean that Yosh could find himself having to work hard to avoid Forren and Jose being the first choice CBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 (edited) Considering how good Yoshida is becoming after a reasonably small transfer fee, should Forren turn out to be just as shrewd, it will be very hard to pick a weakness in our best XI? Hooiveld was great yesterday, but I am sure his inability on the ball will seem him phased out for Forren (one he is fit), and Fonte will likely be backup. Potentially we have a very good ball playing back four:- Clyne Forren Yoshida Shaw EVERY player has faults in his game..Lambert lacks pace, Puncheon tries to take on one man too many. Fox......(oh I haven't got time to list everything....) Jos went off injured in the Arsenal game (at 0-1).. so he shouldn't be blamed for the other 5 we conceded that day, but his recent form is quite excellent IMHO. I really hope Forran fits the bill ....when he does eventually get his chance, but there were alarming reports (and YouTube clips) that showed a distinct lack of pace, so I hope they're working on that. It justifiable to drop a player.if he's playing badly but Jos is playing well just now and both he and Yoshida (another un-favourite player on here) had rave reviews in several papers after the Citeh game. For whatever faults he may have...Jos possesses that " do-or-die" defensive mindset that Claus Lundekvam and Michael Svensson had....." go for the ball first and mop up the blood afterwards...." Edited 11 February, 2013 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 However, you have a Spanish coach now with a fanciful ego, and will probably be trying to make a diamond shape or asymmetric wings concept work with the express intention of trying to walk it in instead. If you had an Italian or German coach, maybe. I think if Saints adopt a 3-5-2 you can become one of the strongest clubs in the premiership, but as usual, you need a coach that can make it work. Pocchettino is an Argentinian, not Spanish. And where are you from with comments that "you" can become one of the strongest clubs, "you" need a coach... Saints fans say "we". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 Yoshida's mistake that led to the City goal reminded me of Dan Seaborne against MK Dons. As the ball came out of City's area after the Saints' corner, Yosh committed himself to a hopeless tackle instead of getting back to the defence line. He did get back as far as midfield, but was still hopelessly out of position when City scored. One mistake doesn't cast a player out of the team, although it did for Seaborne who was rarely picked by Akins after his error. It might just mean that Yosh could find himself having to work hard to avoid Forren and Jose being the first choice CBs. Yes but there were a host of errors that led to that goal. Not least the ever dependable Fox who was ball watching and in centre midfield when Zabaletta steamed in the empty area of the pitch where Fox should have been Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 How was fox ball watching when he was about to volley they ball..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 Watch it again then. When they broke upfield, and we held them up for a second or two just inside our area, he was doing a great job of tracking back but was too close to Spider and Clyne in the centre and left a huge gap for Zabeletta to run into. Not saying the goal was his fault, but countering the view that it was down to Yoshida. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 Tomas J is from Norway I think, and I do see what he says regarding 352 but its not conducive of how we play in the prem. I personally would hate to see us play 352, even though I personally played in that formation for s couple of seasons at BTC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 Watch it again then. When they broke upfield, and we held them up for a second or two just inside our area, he was doing a great job of tracking back but was too close to Spider and Clyne in the centre and left a huge gap for Zabeletta to run into. Not saying the goal was his fault, but countering the view that it was down to Yoshida. It wasnt just yoshida, it wasnt just fox but all of them collectively. Fox shouldve attempted to make the ball from the corner, the corner should never have happened, cork should have done a better job by the halfwayline or taken a booking, same with clyne, someone should have picked up zabeletta (lm) and Dzeko should have been better marked. And through all that it was still pretty flukey that it went in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 Would be harsh to drop Hooiveld after his last few performances, was excellent on Sat. Bit of a selection headache if Fonte and Forren are fit for Newcastle, which I assume they should be, one of the 4 not going to even make the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 Would be harsh to drop Hooiveld after his last few performances, was excellent on Sat. Bit of a selection headache if Fonte and Forren are fit for Newcastle, which I assume they should be, one of the 4 not going to even make the bench. Was excellent sat but his previous two werent great IMO, Yoshi and shaw were doing a lot of sweeping up behind him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 Perhaps Forren will play for the U21s tonight at Wolves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toofarnorth Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 Obviously we've not seen much of Forren, but if he proves to be a good player, when our CBs are playing at the top of their game we are very strong in that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 Was excellent sat but his previous two werent great IMO, Yoshi and shaw were doing a lot of sweeping up behind him THought he was fine against Wigan and Man United, as he was at home to Everton and away at Chelsea. Tough run of fixtures that. And the point still stands, tough dropping someone after that performance, or picking who might not even make the bench at Newcastle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 If we want to be inventive, we could considering fielding Forren as a forward sweeper. Or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 If we want to be inventive, we could considering fielding Forren as a forward sweeper. Or something. just until we sign Brian Howard then.Anyway we already have 2 forward sweepers, sweep up everything from the edge of our box to the edge of the opposition box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 THought he was fine against Wigan and Man United, as he was at home to Everton and away at Chelsea. Tough run of fixtures that. And the point still stands, tough dropping someone after that performance, or picking who might not even make the bench at Newcastle. He was fine without being excellent, his distribution is woefull, lucky we had better players around and behind him really and Im not slagging him off as such, its a luxury tgat we have better than him in Forren and Fonte Yes he will be hard to drop due to his last performance BUT he is the worst of the four (if forren is as good as expected) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 He was fine without being excellent, his distribution is woefull, lucky we had better players around and behind him really and Im not slagging him off as such, its a luxury tgat we have better than him in Forren and Fonte Yes he will be hard to drop due to his last performance BUT he is the worst of the four (if forren is as good as expected) Fair enough, don't think is distribution is woeful at all, played a few very good balls on Saturday. Will be interesting to see how we line-up at Newcastle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 Fair enough, don't think is distribution is woeful at all, played a few very good balls on Saturday. Will be interesting to see how we line-up at Newcastle. I thought Jos looked like he'd gained a weeny bit of awareness and even half a yard of pace on Saturday. New coaching team and system might be making an even better player of him. Most players have a little hidden extra in them, it's up to the coaches to find it and exploit it. As I've said many times I really don't think that our former coaches were up to PL standard players. The players might have the standard in them but the coaches weren't good enough. same old routines time after time just made the players platform out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 I thought Jos looked like he'd gained a weeny bit of awareness and even half a yard of pace on Saturday. New coaching team and system might be making an even better player of him. Most players have a little hidden extra in them, it's up to the coaches to find it and exploit it. As I've said many times I really don't think that our former coaches were up to PL standard players. The players might have the standard in them but the coaches weren't good enough. same old routines time after time just made the players platform out. Think we saw from Hooiveld last season how good he could be, was good at Chelsea away before the knew lot came in. Think with him, he had a really hard start, couple of quick errors, then his confidence went a bit. I expect he'll end up our 4th choice, but fair play to the bloke for the last few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Thedelldays Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 I thought Jos looked like he'd gained a weeny bit of awareness and even half a yard of pace on Saturday. New coaching team and system might be making an even better player of him. Most players have a little hidden extra in them, it's up to the coaches to find it and exploit it. As I've said many times I really don't think that our former coaches were up to PL standard players. The players might have the standard in them but the coaches weren't good enough. same old routines time after time just made the players platform out. lambert looked like he had an extra yard of pace..and quite able to last the distance (again)...despite being dropped, subbed plenty of times before.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 Hooiveld was brought last year to cover for our defensive shortage and help us get through the Championship. I think our messy summer transfer period was what ensured he made it through to the PL. His mission at Saints is over so I expect him to leave and I think the future is now between Yoshida/Fonte/Forren. Maybe we're expecting one of them to provide some revenue in the future so it'll probably get down to two of them anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 Would be interested to see who Hooiveld has played against this season - and how many points we would realistically been looking at. He must have payed Man Utd twice, Man City twice. Arsenal, Everton twice, Villa, Chelsea and Wigan twice. Also Stoke and WHU away. No Forren in the u-21s but Gazza is playing, alongside Martin and JWP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 Would be interested to see who Hooiveld has played against this season - and how many points we would realistically been looking at. He must have payed Man Utd twice, Man City twice. Arsenal, Everton twice, Villa, Chelsea and Wigan twice. Also Stoke and WHU away. No Forren in the u-21s but Gazza is playing, alongside Martin and JWP. Gazzaniga is playing because Cropper was sent off in the last game (handling outside the area.) Martin needs games - he got none at Palace during the wasted Autumn. JWP needs to get up to strength again, as he's likely to be a regular on the bench again now. I really think Forran isn't up for it yet..maybe he has extra training? (like a pre-season). The Norwegian season finished in November! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 11 February, 2013 Share Posted 11 February, 2013 Cropper is on the bench ?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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