Miltonroader07 Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 Are we ??????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 I am not really over how he was treated, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonroader07 Posted 9 February, 2013 Author Share Posted 9 February, 2013 And I agree with you, but that was not the question !! Life is tough and ^&%$ happens I think The Sherriff is the way fwd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 Surprised you haven't got a limit how many threads you're allowed to start in one day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToreSF Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 Think we look a better side under Pochettino, so guess my answer is yes. Simple as that, to quote the man himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonroader07 Posted 9 February, 2013 Author Share Posted 9 February, 2013 I think we look fitter, we push on quicker, we press better, we get behind the ball better and we WANT IT more. nuff said really. Thanks Nige but ?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 I am not really over how he was treated, no. well, i believe NC decided to make a change and did the RIGHT thing by the club... imagine a period of a caretaker manager..it would have been a train wreck..the change has been smooth as it ever could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonroader07 Posted 9 February, 2013 Author Share Posted 9 February, 2013 I do not think we would have won today under NA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 Hard to answer, given the short time the change has been in effect. I won't say it has proven to be the right decision until the end of the season, as I wouldn't judge any manager on just a few select games. I like what I'm seeing, I'm over the moon with tonights performance and result, I think great times are ahead, but it's still very early days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 The way it was done was disgusting. A good man should NEVER have been sacked in the manner he was, even if Pep Guardiola was replacing him. There is a right way and a wrong way to do things and NC showed himself to be a coward in the way he went about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 The way it was done was disgusting. A good man should NEVER have been sacked in the manner he was, even if Pep Guardiola was replacing him. There is a right way and a wrong way to do things and NC showed himself to be a coward in the way he went about it I dont get it..any other way would have been to the huge detriment of the team......its a tough world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 The way it was done was disgusting. A good man should NEVER have been sacked in the manner he was, even if Pep Guardiola was replacing him. There is a right way and a wrong way to do things and NC showed himself to be a coward in the way he went about it and this is my point, it may well have been a correct decision, however it was acted out in an abysmal way. i work for a major international company, we have senior level exits from time to time - never have I witnessed such a disgusting lack of respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonroader07 Posted 9 February, 2013 Author Share Posted 9 February, 2013 I dont get it..any other way would have been to the huge detriment of the team......its a tough world Agree 100%, NA will be ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 I dont get it..any other way would have been to the huge detriment of the team......its a tough world beg to differ, anyway - The King is dead, long live the King Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 and this is my point, it may well have been a correct decision, however it was acted out in an abysmal way. i work for a major international company, we have senior level exits from time to time - never have I witnessed such a disgusting lack of respect. in what way..? I agree the lack of thanks in the programme was very harsh..but the way it was done..new man in and lined up before the old was removed...it probably the best way...like I said, imagine 2 weeks of dean wilkins in charge.... I guess NC got his fingers burnt 2 years ago from that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 and this is my point, it may well have been a correct decision, however it was acted out in an abysmal way. i work for a major international company, we have senior level exits from time to time - never have I witnessed such a disgusting lack of respect. Yeah pretty much my thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joneth Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 Not at all. You dont forget the sort of man that brought us the last 2 and a half years in 2 and a half weeks. Nigel Adkins is a class manager and we were priviliged to have him. Not to say I'm in anyway unhappy with the way things are going right now with Pochettino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red&white56 Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 No, I'm not over Nigel Adkins. He was treated in a shoody way and that remains no matter how well Saints do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 in what way..? I agree the lack of thanks in the programme was very harsh..but the way it was done..new man in and lined up before the old was removed...it probably the best way...like I said, imagine 2 weeks of dean wilkins in charge.... I guess NC got his fingers burnt 2 years ago from that Many clubs go with the 'by Mutual Agreement', it costs the same and means both parties can 'Exit with Honour', Cortese would see that as an act of weakness. I have no problems with tough decisions, just a lack of class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 Many clubs go with the 'by Mutual Agreement', it costs the same and means both parties can 'Exit with Honour', Cortese would see that as an act of weakness. I have no problems with tough decisions, just a lack of class. oh well...agree to disagree... "mutual consent" is a load of crap anyway... anyway...king is dead long live the king Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 Not sure I can agree as we dont know any of the details - and to me it seems certain Nige knew he would be replaced - he had been brought in to do a job which was get us to the prem - so he knew it was comming - he achieved that early with some decent financial backing. He moulded a side in a style of play that we enjoyed. I will not take anything away form Adkins, I still believe he will be a top top manager at some point, and that it has allowed MP to hit the ground running and build on that foundation - we stay up this year and that will in part be down to Nige. But if you laook at the seaosn so far objectively, I think NIge was only 60-70% there in getting the side to play the style that this side is capable of - MP seems to have upped that to 80% within 4 games... People go on about the 'way' in which it was done, or the 'timing' - but sorry, whenever or however it was done it was always going to attract this whole collective 'outrage' and 'emotional over reaction' because fans are like that - we expect the same loyalty as we show when it suits us, but have no quarms about sticking the boot in to players and managers when we feel they are not worthy - so whilst I dont like the way it 'appears', Its hypocritical to start wailing, or get all angry about it - As fans we show no loyalty or respect to players or managers we dont like and demand chairman make changes... Nigel has not been slung on any scrap heap - he has not left in poverty struggling with mortgage, debts and not knowing how to put food on the table, and there are plenty of folk right now in that sort of situation, who may have been told about in a 'nice' decent way by managers and HR - so what is more morally right? Nige will bounce back and his CV is better for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmonton Saint Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 As I have said previously Adkins limitations was in danger of holding us back, If he had been in charge today we would have lost. We needed a change at the top and thankfully Cortese had the balls to make the change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 We move on, but the way he was treated was wrong. In the football world it seem the norm now. Great man, top manager..... Up the Saints! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 Future looks bright, but it was because of his platform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 We're playing with unabashed confidence, flair and positivity something not always evident under NA but under the circumstances he was being asked to work under I'm not surprised but let's not take anything away from him, he still may of had a positive result today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 Alan Pardew started us back on the right track, Nigel carried that on, that should never be forgotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 I am not really over how he was treated, no. No I always hoped we would be above treating people like that. After the result today I am embarrased how fickle I am. I know what is right though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 Not sure I can agree as we dont know any of the details - and to me it seems certain Nige knew he would be replaced - he had been brought in to do a job which was get us to the prem - so he knew it was comming - he achieved that early with some decent financial backing. He moulded a side in a style of play that we enjoyed. I will not take anything away form Adkins, I still believe he will be a top top manager at some point, and that it has allowed MP to hit the ground running and build on that foundation - we stay up this year and that will in part be down to Nige. But if you laook at the seaosn so far objectively, I think NIge was only 60-70% there in getting the side to play the style that this side is capable of - MP seems to have upped that to 80% within 4 games... People go on about the 'way' in which it was done, or the 'timing' - but sorry, whenever or however it was done it was always going to attract this whole collective 'outrage' and 'emotional over reaction' because fans are like that - we expect the same loyalty as we show when it suits us, but have no quarms about sticking the boot in to players and managers when we feel they are not worthy - so whilst I dont like the way it 'appears', Its hypocritical to start wailing, or get all angry about it - As fans we show no loyalty or respect to players or managers we dont like and demand chairman make changes... Nigel has not been slung on any scrap heap - he has not left in poverty struggling with mortgage, debts and not knowing how to put food on the table, and there are plenty of folk right now in that sort of situation, who may have been told about in a 'nice' decent way by managers and HR - so what is more morally right? Nige will bounce back and his CV is better for it. Absolutely this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 No I always hoped we would be above treating people like that. After the result today I am embarrased how fickle I am. I know what is right though. NOt sure you need to feel embarrassed... the two issues are mutually exclusive ; You can be glad, agree, addmit that Adkins had given his all but was not ready to take us that next step and see the benefit of change.... and still be pishe off wth the way it APPEARS to have been handled. If it was as badly done as the MEDIA and some fans with their 'inside sources that can not be named' make out, then yes its sad that the club acted in that way... but I suspect that it would have been made clear to NIge exactly what his role in the 'project' was and when this was completed, he would move on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 NOt sure you need to feel embarrassed... the two issues are mutually exclusive ; You can be glad' date=' agree, addmit that Adkins had given his all but was not ready to take us that next step and see the benefit of change.... and still be pishe off wth the way it APPEARS to have been handled. If it was as badly done as the MEDIA and some fans with their 'inside sources that can not be named' make out, then yes its sad that the club acted in that way... but I suspect that it would have been made clear to NIge exactly what his role in the 'project' was and when this was completed, he would move on...[/quote'] I disagree, I have always looked down at clubs like Chelsea and City for treating their managers badly. I always hoped that there was more to football than money and that maybe players wore the shirt and managers bought into the community bit. I do not like the global brand part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 Yep, thanks for all the work and all the best for the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 I disagree, I have always looked down at clubs like Chelsea and City for treating their managers badly. I always hoped that there was more to football than money and that maybe players wore the shirt and managers bought into the community bit. I do not like the global brand part. No sure where this comes into it - we are not a global brand and the ONLY way that is ever achieved is through success that resonates on a global level - eg Champions league semis and finals consistently - and we are a long way from that. I look at this quite simply - we could ... lets be honest given our size and provincialness (is that a word?) be forgiven for being satisfied with annual survival in the top flight - the plucky 'small' club that was mediochre and perenniel relegation favourites, that gave the big boys a bloody nose now and again (to quote Pap form another thread)... but why w ehappy with that? Ifwe were ever to try and take a step up from that and be aserious about giving it a punt, we needed a differnt approach - and someone stubborn, ruthless and sheer bloody minded enough to drive it through. Seems to me that NC has taken a different approach. Instead of employing a manager and renewing contracts as and when depending on how things were going, he's set out a structure progressive phased plan - with each phase demanding specific skills and ablities - Adkins was targeted because of his L1 and NPC experience - there was logic in it and what appears very harsh to us is because Adkins completed his 'mission' ahead of schedule... I would not at all be surprised if MP knows his part in the 'plan' and what that entails should he complete his 'mission' It may seem harsh, but its just a different appraoch, and when you think about it dispassionately, its quite probably very logical. Managers develop tehir skills at difefrent rates, in part dependent on the experience they gain at the level they manage in... Its fair to assume that if the club wants to progress more rapidly than is possible for people to gain the knowledge and experience, that you remove the element of risk in tehir development and simply plan ahead for it. I think that is what NC has done here. 'Global brand' - thats the byproduct of success - you cant create it without it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 Different level now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 No sure where this comes into it - we are not a global brand and the ONLY way that is ever achieved is through success that resonates on a global level - eg Champions league semis and finals consistently - and we are a long way from that. I look at this quite simply - we could ... lets be honest given our size and provincialness (is that a word?) be forgiven for being satisfied with annual survival in the top flight - the plucky 'small' club that was mediochre and perenniel relegation favourites, that gave the big boys a bloody nose now and again (to quote Pap form another thread)... but why w ehappy with that? Ifwe were ever to try and take a step up from that and be aserious about giving it a punt, we needed a differnt approach - and someone stubborn, ruthless and sheer bloody minded enough to drive it through. Seems to me that NC has taken a different approach. Instead of employing a manager and renewing contracts as and when depending on how things were going, he's set out a structure progressive phased plan - with each phase demanding specific skills and ablities - Adkins was targeted because of his L1 and NPC experience - there was logic in it and what appears very harsh to us is because Adkins completed his 'mission' ahead of schedule... I would not at all be surprised if MP knows his part in the 'plan' and what that entails should he complete his 'mission' It may seem harsh, but its just a different appraoch, and when you think about it dispassionately, its quite probably very logical. Managers develop tehir skills at difefrent rates, in part dependent on the experience they gain at the level they manage in... Its fair to assume that if the club wants to progress more rapidly than is possible for people to gain the knowledge and experience, that you remove the element of risk in tehir development and simply plan ahead for it. I think that is what NC has done here. 'Global brand' - thats the byproduct of success - you cant create it without it. I liked the fact that we were often people's second team because we were a 'nice club'. Now we are not. You are right being a global brand does depend on success but at what price. I went to Stamford Bridge the other week having not been there for ten years and it was absolutely soulless. The home supporters were silent even when they were winning. For me football is about community identity - I loved the fact that all these old ex players always ended up living in the area. I liked the fact that I bought my programme from the same chap for ten years. How can you get tribal about a global brand. That said I will always be indebted to ML and NC for bailing out our club; I just wish NC would think a bit more local. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 I am not really over how he was treated, no. It was ruthless and it worked. End of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 It was ruthless and it worked. End of. Hi Nicola Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 I will never forget what NA did for us. I will never forget what I felt when I heard that he had been sacked. but I also realise that things move on, football can be a "cut-throat" business and that if NC`s ambitions are even close to being achieved, then the decision the make the change, however it was done, was probably the right one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 Totally illogical, I know, but I feel so much more confident with Pochettino on the touchline because, quite simply, he looks the part. Poor old Nigel looked like a clerk from thr post office. But I agree with all those who say that Adkins was very poorly treated by the lack of thanks in the Programme. Cortesew would have looked a biggger man if he had done the decent thing. Did you notice today that he cut a forlorn figure in the Directors' Box with no one prepared to sit next to him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 Never over how he was treated. Football-wise, well its too early to say. Great great win today but its one win. For the all the impressive moments unde MP before today there have also been some slack and shoddy ones (e.g. defending at Wigan). I hope we can build on today with NA's team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 Have we got over it? the point is the players have obviously got over it, so we are mugs if we haven't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 The way it was done was disgusting. A good man should NEVER have been sacked in the manner he was, even if Pep Guardiola was replacing him. There is a right way and a wrong way to do things and NC showed himself to be a coward in the way he went about it I'd agree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey_saint Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 Do I need to point out to anyone here a chairman who sacked a manager and spent months with what was basically a caretaker manager and what happened?......shoddy method?...think back people, what would you prefer?.....but I agree, it's Waaaay to early to judge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 The way it was done was disgusting. A good man should NEVER have been sacked in the manner he was, even if Pep Guardiola was replacing him. There is a right way and a wrong way to do things and NC showed himself to be a coward in the way he went about it Eh?? In what nice way would you have sacked nige then?? How was the way cortese sacked him cowardly?? This will prove to be a good move for our club, of that i'm becoming increasingly convinced.A sacking is a sacking,no nice way,thats life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 This pressing up the field that has made us look impressive these last four games is Pochettino's doing, so instantly he's made a different impact, but I still feel Adkins sacking was harsh. I believe we would've stayed up under Adkins, although it would have been a close run thing. Not that it won't still be, but play like we did today and we can comfortably look up the table rather than down. Adkins was a nice bloke, very likeable, and it was sad and a shock that he was dispensed of as he was, but we need to move on and look forward, not back at what could have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 A cheeky question to the "we're not over Adkins crowd". When will you be over it? If never, how much of each day will you devote to this feeling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAS Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Are we ???????Yes, how we are playing is a joy to watch and to be a saints fan. Great talents are becoming great players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 I'll happily admit I was furious over Adkins sacking, and threw my toys out the pram. Despite this, from what I have seen under MP, so far I think there has been a step up. I think NA was treated shoddily, and I do think he would have kept us up, but frankly,IMO mp looks a better manager, and we look a better team for him being here. I'm starting to believe that MP has potential to be a top class manager, and we are indeed lucky to have him. That said, I do still think NA will be a top manager, and I will forever appreciate what he did for our club and the dignity he handled himself with throughout. I will always wish the best for Nigel, and genuinely hope he succeeds, unless he is playing against the saints of course. Onwards and upwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Yes, how we are playing is a joy to watch and to be a saints fan. Great talents are becoming great players. Completely agree. Managed to keep my bed reasonably dry over the NA sacking. I could see how the timing looked appalling, but I was unsure on us in the Prem under NA anyway. We'd been playing nice stuff, but without any true conviction that we fancied getting it in the net that much. That definitely looks to have changed. The treatment of Rickie under MP has been completely different. With NA, you were never sure if RL was going to start. With MP, he's captain of the team (long may that continue, btw) and once again, contributing to tons of attacking play. He looks like a player that has been galvanised by the recent changes. Rickie rightfully gets a lot of respect for the fact that he's played through all the leagues. It looks like he's reinventing himself again. He may be on his way to 31, but I still think he's got a long career ahead of him. The vast majority of what he's good at will be with him until he retires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Will miss nigel but tbh MP has moved us on already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 I'll happily admit I was furious over Adkins sacking, and threw my toys out the pram. Despite this, from what I have seen under MP, so far I think there has been a step up. I think NA was treated shoddily, and I do think he would have kept us up, but frankly,IMO mp looks a better manager, and we look a better team for him being here. I'm starting to believe that MP has potential to be a top class manager, and we are indeed lucky to have him. That said, I do still think NA will be a top manager, and I will forever appreciate what he did for our club and the dignity he handled himself with throughout. I will always wish the best for Nigel, and genuinely hope he succeeds, unless he is playing against the saints of course. Onwards and upwards. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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