Thedelldays Posted 5 February, 2013 Share Posted 5 February, 2013 very happy to be successful, not particularly enamoured about paying Arsenal-like prices to watch that success. We won't, we will be paying Grimsby town-like prices in a new "business model" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 5 February, 2013 Share Posted 5 February, 2013 This all smacks of the kind of thing where somebody would disown their favourite band cos they've sold out since their second album started getting some radio play leading to a mega summer hit, followed by a massive stadium tour now that everyman and his dog loves them, and he preferred their first album and the first tour was great cos, like, there were only 50 there and it was, you know, before they sold out and stuff, and we met the band and you know, they were great guys and had real soul and that, and now they're just takin' the money producing crappy chart music sh!t. But I saw them when no-one knew who they even were. Yeah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 5 February, 2013 Share Posted 5 February, 2013 This all smacks of the kind of thing where somebody would disown their favourite band cos they've sold out since their second album started getting some radio play leading to a mega summer hit, followed by a massive stadium tour now that everyman and his dog loves them, and he preferred their first album and the first tour was great cos, like, there were only 50 there and it was, you know, before they sold out and stuff, and we met the band and you know, they were great guys and had real soul and that, and now they're just takin' the money producing crappy chart music sh!t. But I saw them when no-one knew who they even were. Yeah! Except in this case it's more like your favourite band turning into an opera act, marketing to a quieter crowd, tripling (or more) the cost of entry and diluting the rock and roll in favour of a full orchestra and guest Japanese band leaders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 5 February, 2013 Share Posted 5 February, 2013 Tis inspiring to see you like the idea of a club based in the community with fans on the board. What made you change your mind. BTW I don't phone Simon Carter anymore, we Skype every day instead. probably because i live far enough from Manchester i can admire it from a far and not have to put up with the attention seeking self publicists trumpeting their own agendas and spouting their bullsh it every five minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 5 February, 2013 Share Posted 5 February, 2013 Also i really fu.cking hate plastics, and i doubt i'd be able to keep my mouth shut if we started getting them... Mind you i've been falling out of love with football since we got back to the prem' so maybe i'm different to some of our more happy clappy fans. Somebody help me out. What exactly is a Plastic, and a Happy Clappy Fan? It seems to be fashionable to call people Plastics. I don't get it. The more the merrier as far as I'm concerned. Ok, I know it means plastic, as in not real, but what's a real fan. Define it. What if you went to see Lord of the Rings but didn't read the book. Are you a plastic? What if you go and see band x live but don't buy their albums. Are you a plastic? No, I'm sure that you're just trying to have a good time, that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 5 February, 2013 Share Posted 5 February, 2013 Somebody help me out. What exactly is a Plastic, and a Happy Clappy Fan? It seems to be fashionable to call people Plastics. I don't get it. The more the merrier as far as I'm concerned. Ok, I know it means plastic, as in not real, but what's a real fan. Define it. What if you went to see Lord of the Rings but didn't read the book. Are you a plastic? What if you go and see band x live but don't buy their albums. Are you a plastic? No, I'm sure that you're just trying to have a good time, that's all. Real fans were the ones who went in L1 and during the period running to admin. Plastics are the ones who f*cked off in 2005 and are coming back now and might have turned out for the big games in between. HTH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldbarbarian Posted 5 February, 2013 Share Posted 5 February, 2013 Somebody help me out. What exactly is a Plastic, and a Happy Clappy Fan? It seems to be fashionable to call people Plastics. I don't get it. The more the merrier as far as I'm concerned. Ok, I know it means plastic, as in not real, but what's a real fan. Define it. What if you went to see Lord of the Rings but didn't read the book. Are you a plastic? What if you go and see band x live but don't buy their albums. Are you a plastic? No, I'm sure that you're just trying to have a good time, that's all. I dont get this "Plastic" thing either?, It does seem that the "Plastic" fan phrase has really become fashionable toward the back end of last season & this. I couldnt care less if people come to a game once a season if it brings money into the club it matters not. I do notice that a lot of fans are quick to say "I was there in league 1" but it shouldnt matter whether they were or not, what matters is the fact that they are bringing money into the club & supporting it. Going back to the original post - no I wouldnt turn my back on the club & do an FC United of Manchester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 5 February, 2013 Share Posted 5 February, 2013 I dont get this "Plastic" thing either?, It does seem that the "Plastic" fan phrase has really become fashionable toward the back end of last season & this. I couldnt care less if people come to a game once a season if it brings money into the club it matters not. I do notice that a lot of fans are quick to say "I was there in league 1" but it shouldnt matter whether they were or not, what matters is the fact that they are bringing money into the club & supporting it. Going back to the original post - no I wouldnt turn my back on the club & do an FC United of Manchester. It's easy to support a team when they are doing well, breaking trasfer records, wining most weeks or playing top teams and playing good football. It's not so easy when they crap and are losing every week to equally as crap teams and signing crap players. Some fans are only interested in one of those two scenarios, those are the plastics. It's not difficult really is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldbarbarian Posted 5 February, 2013 Share Posted 5 February, 2013 It's easy to support a team when they are doing well, breaking trasfer records, wining most weeks or playing top teams and playing good football. It's not so easy when they crap and are losing every week to equally as crap teams and signing crap players. Some fans are only interested in one of those two scenarios, those are the plastics. It's not difficult really is it. Ok Turkish valid point. The way I see it is this, the new fans do not affect the way that I myself support the team & because of this I dont really care. I see new fans as a positive as they are ultimately helping to fund new success Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomobz Posted 5 February, 2013 Share Posted 5 February, 2013 I think the point anyway is how disassociated people are with having to spend half a days wages to buy a ticket to see average sportsmen earn £100k a week. If you started an FCUM type club the minute it got to the football league you'd have to start paying these ridiculous wages again to attract anyone to the club anyway. After 5 or 6 promotions you'd be back to the stage of money taking over, football is just so far out of touch of reality that not many normal people can associate with it now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 5 February, 2013 Share Posted 5 February, 2013 It was cheaper in L1 and we were winning more. Surely, that makes it easier than now doesn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 5 February, 2013 Share Posted 5 February, 2013 It's easy to support a team when they are doing well, breaking trasfer records, wining most weeks or playing top teams and playing good football. It's not so easy when they crap and are losing every week to equally as crap teams and signing crap players. Some fans are only interested in one of those two scenarios, those are the plastics. It's not difficult really is it. Ok, what if someone started supporting us after we got to the cup final in 2003. They start coming to home matches, get hooked, are devastated when we go down but continue to come to matches and support the club the the CCC and L1 and back again. Are they plastics cos they came when we were doing well? They came and are still here. Why should it be any different for anyone starting to support us now that we are back in the prem? Some of 'em will stick and some will fall away but I don't see the need for the plastics label. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 5 February, 2013 Share Posted 5 February, 2013 Ok, what if someone started supporting us after we got to the cup final in 2003. They start coming to home matches, get hooked, are devastated when we go down but continue to come to matches and support the club the the CCC and L1 and back again. Are they plastics cos they came when we were doing well? They came and are still here. Why should it be any different for anyone starting to support us now that we are back in the prem? Some of 'em will stick and some will fall away but I don't see the need for the plastics label. If they stuck by the team when they were doing badly then no. People support teams for all sorts of reason if it was because of the FA Cup final then great, real fans are there in bad times as well as good though. Where are the ones that went to the 2003 cup run when we had the begging bowl out and fans were urged to turn out for the Burnley game, every penny counted then, only about 22,000 Saints fans could be arsed to put their hand in their pocket then, when the club needed them and times were bad. It's easy to be a fan when times are good, the ones that come along now but didn't bother in the bad times are premier league consumers, not Saints fans. I dont understand why people are struggling to understand the concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 5 February, 2013 Share Posted 5 February, 2013 ...are premier league consumers, not Saints fans. I dont understand why people are struggling to understand the concept. That's probably a better explanation. I've always taken it as an unwarranted and derogatory term for a Saints fan that doesn't go very often (for whatever reason), or even at all, but the fact that they may not even be there for Saints but for the 'prem league action' hadn't occurred to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 February, 2013 Share Posted 5 February, 2013 So some fans would have a problem with us being succesful and we would be landed with a FC Southampton run by Nick Illingsworth ,Um pahars, and Perry McMillan. ****ing retarded luddites. So you're saying people can't go and form their own football teams if you decide so ? Interesting ego. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 5 February, 2013 Share Posted 5 February, 2013 It's easy to support a team when they are doing well, breaking trasfer records, wining most weeks or playing top teams and playing good football. It's not so easy when they crap and are losing every week to equally as crap teams and signing crap players. Some fans are only interested in one of those two scenarios, those are the plastics. It's not difficult really is it. Also added to that i'd say it's the people that "support" their teams on tv, have no real link to the club, and see football as entertainment. The kind of people that live in Reading but support Arsenal, or the Barclays fan of India types. It'd fu.cking kill me to see our ground filled in the way the emirates is, i live close by to it and see the football tourists on the tube to islington on a match day and it's embarrassing. Arsenal in the 80s had one of the best fan cultures around - not that you hear it much these days - and a real soul. Now you have £62 seats taken up by people from the home counties or further who have no link or heritage in north london and would leave at the drop of the hat if they're not successful (i.e premier league). Oh and then there's that worst kind of plastic, the one that has a "second team" and backs it up by saying it's their team for the premier league/champions league/top four side etc. fu.cking joke the lot of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 February, 2013 Share Posted 5 February, 2013 I dont get this "Plastic" thing either?, It does seem that the "Plastic" fan phrase has really become fashionable toward the back end of last season & this. I couldnt care less if people come to a game once a season if it brings money into the club it matters not. I do notice that a lot of fans are quick to say "I was there in league 1" but it shouldnt matter whether they were or not, what matters is the fact that they are bringing money into the club & supporting it. Going back to the original post - no I wouldnt turn my back on the club & do an FC United of Manchester. Plastic has been used for a good 15 years to my knowledge. It's a mid/late-90s phrase. I choose to be more impressed with people who support Saints no matter what division they're in over people who turn up when they fancy seeing a big match, I'm not apologising for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 5 February, 2013 Share Posted 5 February, 2013 Hand on heart, if we became like Chelsea or United I would find it very difficult to support Southampton to the extent I have done over the last few years. Intrigued by what you mean by LIKE Chelsea or United??? Arguably we have quite a bit in common, in that in recent years we've been subsidised by a generous benefactor, we're paying some players more in a week than the average fan earns in a year, we play in the top flight, ticket prices are pretty steep, the Club is regularly looking at ways of generating income (be it merchandising and changing kits each year, booking fees etc), we've picked up extra fans now we're back in the top flight. I accept its all relative, but we have quite a bit in common. As for the OP as long as Saints exist in their current form then I'll follow them (over land and sea, and water). I might have the odd gripe about how the game (and perhaps even the Club) has changed, but they're still my Saints. I just don't think I could support a rival Saints. Now of course had we gone under and if the set up was right then I would have supported a reformed/Phoenix club. Which is why I can't be too harsh on those scrabbling around down the road as they are at least trying to salvage something out of the current clusterfckuk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldbarbarian Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 Plastic has been used for a good 15 years to my knowledge. It's a mid/late-90s phrase. I choose to be more impressed with people who support Saints no matter what division they're in over people who turn up when they fancy seeing a big match, I'm not apologising for that. What I am saying is that is has become more fashionable to call fans "Plastics" toward the back end of last season & this (ties in with our success over the past couple of years) I am not questioning the origins of the phrase. I was there when we went down from the Prem, to League 1 & all the way back up again, but dont really care if the guy sitting next to me has only been there for a few games since we have been back in the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 and that died out when they started being successful again I think. Old Traff is always full so I doubt if the directors worry too much about FC Manchester anyway. Errr no they did not FCUM are doing very well and their gates prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 I prefer to have a stadium full of plastics than the swathes of empty seats you get in the Championship. It makes me laugh when people bank=g on about the lower leagues having a better atmosphere. Most Championship games are like a morgue - apart from the derbies and very biggest games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 Nah, won't support any team from Manchester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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