Sour Mash Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 I don't think the O/P is right and not just because of the 58k figure. Why would you invest in a project that size just on the basis that we "consolidate" next season. If whoever behind this idea genuinely believes in it, then it should be started asap, as the nature of football, there is always the chance we could drop down, be relegated etc again at pretty much any point, so surely you don't base it on how the team performs for one season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 The only stumbling block i can see to this, other than the ones you mention, are the fact that Bayern Munich are one of the biggest clubs in Europe, regularly win the German title and make the latter stages of the champions league. As well as of course being in the third largest city in Germany with a population 6 times bigger than Southamptons and is city very popular with tourists. and you're going to have to sell a lot of pie and pint deals to make up the other shortfall from cutting ticket prices to a tenner and increasing the debt to c£50m. Other than that it's an excellent idea. It's not my idea, I am just filling in while MLG is away and like the idea of getting a £10 ticket. Other clubs do it in Europe as well and like I said 45k is probably a more realistic number for us if the pricing is correct. It depends on the cost of expanding - I doubt MLG doing the tours has fully thought it through. I think it would be more of a long term strategic move though with the plan being to grow over 20 years or so, rather than just next season and the season after that. I have a theory anyway that the money made from attendances/ticket sales won't matter that much going forward anyway. The real income will be from the world wide TV deals. The fans in the stadium will be just there to add to the sceptical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 If we build it the masses will come? I think we will expand but little by little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 Wouldn't it be cheaper to get smaller fans? I'm thinking children, asians and chimps. Probs this is why we signed Tadanari + Yoshidas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 (edited) It's not my idea, I am just filling in while MLG is away and like the idea of getting a £10 ticket. Other clubs do it in Europe as well and like I said 45k is probably a more realistic number for us if the pricing is correct. It depends on the cost of expanding - I doubt MLG doing the tours has fully thought it through. I think it would be more of a long term strategic move though with the plan being to grow over 20 years or so, rather than just next season and the season after that. I have a theory anyway that the money made from attendances/ticket sales won't matter that much going forward anyway. The real income will be from the world wide TV deals. The fans in the stadium will be just there to add to the sceptical. i know you're just filling in for MLG but you've got some way to go yet, you haven't even mentioned Chelseas crowds in 1984 yet for a start, nor the fact that Everton only have an average 7k higher than us despite being 5th and having a 40k stadium (this means we have more fans than them), or what Reading might be doing one day, or that we sold out in 2004 for a game against Bolton. Massive tsk. Edited 4 February, 2013 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 Firstly I don't believe the guy doing the tour is 100% accurate with his info. . /QUOTE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey-deacons-left-nut Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 Sorry to bring this up again, but i did the St Marys tour at the weekend and it came up that as long as we stay up this season, consolidate next season then St Marys will be increased in size to hold 58,000. Can we justify a stadium of this size? also the ambitions of the club are to get Southampton as an established top 4 club. HAHAHAHAHAHHA!!! Thats funny as fook!!!!!! The most we'd ever need is 40k....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 Agree-these people are not ITK although they like to think they are. I heard similar when I went around SMS after first year it was opened. I enjoyed the tour though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 i know you're just filling in for MLG but you've got some way to go yet, you haven't even mentioned Chelseas crowds in 1984 yet for a start, nor the fact that Everton only have an average 7k higher than us despite being 5th and having a 40k stadium (this means we have more fans than them), or what Reading might be doing one day, or that we sold out in 2004 for a game against Bolton. Massive tsk. Yeah all that stuff is ridiculous. Adding an extra 10k-15k though if the pricing is right is not so mental though. I am not thinking of more scumbags like you or me, I am thinking of families, day trippers etc. We will get the cheap tickets, the day trippers will come to watch gaston and yoshi and to hear us sing such classics as pompey fan on a string. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 They can't sell beer and pies to 30,000 at the moment, imagine if there was twice as many people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 Adding 26000 seats to three sides of the ground would be interesting as apparently the Itchen can't be extended easily because of the infrastructure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom & Gerry Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 When we are the new Barcelona winning Champions League after Champions League of course we will need a 58k stadium. Some of you are very slow to get up to speed with the vision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardc Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 58k oh dear would love to know where the new 30k fans are going to come from... I know of at least 10,000 of the bestest fans that will be looking for a new club soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 At least this thread puts to bed the myth that we have loads of fans who think we should be making a large expansion to the stadium. It's pretty clear that just about everybody agrees that only a smaller expansion, if any, will be needed. Thanks to the OP by the way, I had no idea this was being said on stadium tours and it does indeed seem ridiculous for a fairly unfashionable club like saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 I think 48k rather than 58k was the limit based on the original design/foundations etc - so suspect the tour guide was getting a little carried away. Forgetting the bating and pis ss take for a second and/or how realistic all NCs plans are or not, Fundementally there would be no expansion plan without a serious consideration as to how it could be filled - I know I have been mocked for even suggesting that pricing would need to be consideration, but I simply cannot see how we would ever regularly get 42 k, let alone 48 with the current pricing model in football. NC must have considered this - surely? I really do not believe that without some sort of more 'European/German' model combined with European football we would ever have that sort of demand. More accessible pricing for kids, U16s, OAPs and the 'noisy terrace, possibly with standing' at a £12 a game + existing revenue levels + success at levels we have not seen before and we may get there. The question then is - how would it be funded? Again NC must have thought of this if there is serious consideration for such a plan - and that would need to be on top any regular investment needed to maintain the playing success... so unless he does have access to a Trust/fund from Marcus, it would be incredibly rsky and possible stupid to go down a loan route... Like most fans its an exiting prospect, but at this stage we dont know anthing about it apart form a few artists impressions and a slightly misinformed tour guide... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 frank...if you think any club is going to charge £12 for a premier league game for individual tickets...then you need to stop drinking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 frank...if you think any club is going to charge £12 for a premier league game for individual tickets...then you need to stop drinking Not saying they will... but asking the question on how they intend to price it all up to ensure the right balance with supply and demand - These models work elsewhere, but whether they would work here feck knows, but pretending we would ever fill 42k regularly at £35+ a ticket is unrealistic no matter how good we 'become'. Yes there would be plenty of addotional kids and folk WANTING to come, but its simply unaffordable for Dad, 2 kids on a week by week basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 Not say they will... but asking the question on how they intend to price it all up to ensure the right balance with supply and demand - These models work elsewhere' date=' but whether they would work here feck knows, but pretending we would ever fill 42k regularly at £35+ a ticket is unrelaistic no matter how good we 'become'. es there would be plenty of addotioanl kids and folk WANTING to come, but its simply unaffordable for Dad, 2 kids on a week by week basis.[/quote'] no team is going to charge £12 for individual tickets in the premier league...they really are not...... it costs more than that to watch plymouth argyle ffs...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 Not saying they will... but asking the question on how they intend to price it all up to ensure the right balance with supply and demand - These models work elsewhere' date=' but whether they would work here feck knows, but pretending we would ever fill 42k regularly at £35+ a ticket is unrealistic no matter how good we 'become'. Yes there would be plenty of addotional kids and folk WANTING to come, but its simply unaffordable for Dad, 2 kids on a week by week basis.[/quote'] Wasnt it you saying people should just suck it up and pay the price or dont go if they dont like it/cant afford it a few weeks ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 OK I am not suggesting it would be done - by how come the Bundesliga can do it? In addition, we may see some 'encouragement' from Government on this unless the league act, especially with pressure for the FSF etc... Just a thought - Like I said, without some sort of complete re think on ticketing prices we will see a further decline in attendances which is not a backdrop for stadium expansion - There needs to be a new model of somet sort else we simply wont fill it no matter how many people would LIKE to come given our 'predicted' success Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 OK I am not suggesting it would be done - by how come the Bundesliga can do it? In addition' date=' we may see some 'encouragement' from Government on this unless the league act, especially with pressure for the FSF etc... Just a thought - Like I said, without some sort of complete re think on ticketing prices we will see a further decline in attendances which is not a backdrop for stadium expansion - There needs to be a new model of somet sort else we simply wont fill it no matter how many people would LIKE to come given our 'predicted' success[/quote'] I have no idea...but in the premier league...no club is going to charge less for an individual ticket (around 30% less) than it costs to get an individual ticket for the team scrapping it out to survive relegation in league 2....some 80-odd positions below.... it really is never ever ever going to happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 Wasnt it you saying people should just suck it up and pay the price or dont go if they dont like it/cant afford it a few weeks ago? Two sepearte issues turks - so Yes and No - last week was NOT about pricing, but about whether certain demographics had a given right to attend, who were currently being priced out of the game - my point as you well know is that no demographic owns football and the fan type will evolve based on all the factors that influence attendance - if there is no rethink in pricing policy. If there is a shift in policy and a rethink on this, then I like most would welcome this as it makes it affordable for a LARGER demographic and as I see it teh only way we would ever fill 42k regulary is by ensuring a WIDER demographic CAN attend and that comes down to pricing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 Two sepearte issues turks - so Yes and No - last week was NOT about pricing, but about whether certain demographics had a given right to attend, who were currently being priced out of the game - my point as you well know is that no demographic owns football and the fan type will evolve based on all the factors that influence attendance - if there is no rethink in pricing policy. If there is a shift in policy and a rethink on this, then I like most would welcome this as it makes it affordable for a LARGER demographic and as I see it teh only way we would ever fill 42k regulary is by ensuring a WIDER demographic CAN attend and that comes down to pricing. So if no one owns football, then f*ck the dads with kids, they dont have a right to attend. Lets price as much as we can and only the people who can afford it will be welcome. And as Dell days says, if you think a premier league club are every going to reguarly charge £12 a match then you're seriously deluded. I cant remember it being less than £15 to get into Saints since the seats went in at the Dell in the mid ninties, nearly 20 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 The capacity increases with every thread on the subject. We've gone from 40k to 58k in about 6 months and 20 threads. This is the real reason we went to barcelona...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 Assuming Daz heard the figure correctly, you have to look at it in the context of the top 4 ambition. For a bottom to mid table side as we were during thw 90s and early naughties, 30K to 40K would be right and not filled every week but if the club was in with a chance of winning the Premier League title and playing in Europe, not only would gates go up for the big games, they'd go up because people like to attend to see their team winning matches and the club would start to attract glory fans from further afield. 58K still seems high but if that really is the figure they are quoting to people on stadium tours it must have official support. Staying up is definitely the first obstacle and is by no means certain but if we do get over that, surely this close season will have to see some early transfer movement so that the risk of relegation isn't an issue next year. Buying players the day before the window closes has never given the impression of a confident or ambitious club but we are told that they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 The OP obviously has hearing problems or was having his leg pulled because Saints will never need a 58K stadium. LOL at the people taking him seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 frank, to buy a single ticket at argyle for their next game will cost me £20....and £15 for over 65s you really think anyone ever will ever charge £12 for a premier league game....??? dont think so I am afraid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 Southampton FC @SouthamptonFC With regular seating now sold out, only hospitality remains for the visit of @MCFC: http://sfcne.ws/YxzhJe #saintsfc pic.twitter.com/jTVpQHIx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 NOT convinced it is physically possible to go to 58000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 NOT convinced it is physically possible to go to 58000 Depends whether they go for the 'bolt on' option or rebuild I guess? Original foundations were for 55k but it was generally thought that reconfiguring the Itchen would be to pricey, so max is circa 48k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 Southampton FC @SouthamptonFC With regular seating now sold out, only hospitality remains for the visit of @MCFC: http://sfcne.ws/YxzhJe #saintsfc pic.twitter.com/jTVpQHIx Build it. They will come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 Wouldn't it be cheaper to get smaller fans? I'm thinking children, asians and chimps. Probs this is why we signed Tadanari + Yoshidas. Bearsy you c*nt. I've just spat loads of tea over my iPad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 So if no one owns football, then f*ck the dads with kids, they dont have a right to attend. Lets price as much as we can and only the people who can afford it will be welcome. And as Dell days says, if you think a premier league club are every going to reguarly charge £12 a match then you're seriously deluded. I cant remember it being less than £15 to get into Saints since the seats went in at the Dell in the mid ninties, nearly 20 years ago. Despite your bait being only really there to wind up on this, please dont twist things to suit your purpose - Nn one has ever said feck the dads and kids - merely that the current system is happy to let dads, kids teens etc be replaced by thsoe who can afford the current prices - and evolotion of the demographic....right or wrong is not the current debate. If you dont understand this, then you aint the powerful intellect I had you down for.... The PREM price and wage hike over the last 25 years IS exactly why it cost £20 to watch 2 football. That is where we are at. ONLY a radical rethink, approach akin to the BundesLiga model will EVER address the pricing out of football of a certain demographic (as some are keen to point out, the working class) and that is something that goes beyond Saints. This COMPLETELY seperate question is about whether there is anything that could ensure we filled a bigger ground - My take is that we would need cheaper tickets to make that happen as you would need to tap into the youth and kids market as a wel as reengage those that have stopped going due to affordibilty. I am not saying it will happen, merely that without addressing the affordibilty issue, no amount of success will fill 48k a fortnight. You know as well as I do Turks that this was the whole point of that 'thrilling/mind numbing' WUM debate the last time thsi issue was unsuccessfully discussed - the question as to whether capacity allows for differnt pricing models. The thing that is just so pathetic on here at times, is that the WUMs want it both ways - complaining like moaning granies that football is pricig out what is in their opinion the 'traditional' fan (a transient thing anyway), yet belittle any suggestion that a revamp of pricing culture would be needed to adress this... lose the fricken will to live discussing this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 Despite your bait being only really there to wind up on this, please dont twist things to suit your purpose - Nn one has ever said feck the dads and kids - merely that the current system is happy to let dads, kids teens etc be replaced by thsoe who can afford the current prices - and evolotion of the demographic....right or wrong is not the current debate. If you dont understand this, then you aint the powerful intellect I had you down for.... The PREM price and wage hike over the last 25 years IS exactly why it cost £20 to watch 2 football. That is where we are at. ONLY a radical rethink, approach akin to the BundesLiga model will EVER address the pricing out of football of a certain demographic (as some are keen to point out, the working class) and that is something that goes beyond Saints. This COMPLETELY seperate question is about whether there is anything that could ensure we filled a bigger ground - My take is that we would need cheaper tickets to make that happen as you would need to tap into the youth and kids market as a wel as reengage those that have stopped going due to affordibilty. I am not saying it will happen, merely that without addressing the affordibilty issue, no amount of success will fill 48k a fortnight. You know as well as I do Turks that this was the whole point of that 'thrilling/mind numbing' WUM debate the last time thsi issue was unsuccessfully discussed - the question as to whether capacity allows for differnt pricing models. The thing that is just so pathetic on here at times, is that the WUMs want it both ways - complaining like moaning granies that football is pricig out what is in their opinion the 'traditional' fan (a transient thing anyway), yet belittle any suggestion that a revamp of pricing culture would be needed to adress this... lose the fricken will to live discussing this... BEcause it's never going to happen. If Cortese was going to reduce the prices to sell ticket, why did hen't reduce the prices to sell the 6,000 we regularly had available in the championship, or the 10,000 there were in L1. Everyone keeps telling us what a great businessman he is and if this is the case then you dont have to be an ex banker to recognise that spending £50m expanding a stadium to then reduce ticket prices to a 1/3 of what they are now is not good business. No amount of typing and typing and typing and typing about what Bayern Munich do is going to change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 BEcause it's never going to happen. If Cortese was going to reduce the prices to sell ticket, why did hen't reduce the prices to sell the 6,000 we regularly had available in the championship, or the 10,000 there were in L1. Everyone keeps telling us what a great businessman he is and if this is the case then you dont have to be an ex banker to recognise that spending £50m expanding a stadium to then reduce ticket prices to a 1/3 of what they are now is not good business. No amount of typing and typing and typing and typing about what Bayern Munich do is going to change that. ... Calm down dear, you seem awfully stressed by this.. it is all hyperthical discussion, so why get so ound up by it? This started because I asked a simple question: If NC is remotely serious (lets assume he is and this is not just BS/WUM) he must have considered how to fill it..yes? Do you believe that w ecould fill a 42-48k stadium every fortnight at £35-£45 a ticket - a price point that many on here have said disenfranchise the 'traditional' fan? Yes or NO? I dont think we could - therefore, either NC think swe could if we had EU football, or he is considering other ways to ensure demand - I was merely 'asking' whether a German model (and its ALL BL clubs not just bayern) would possibly be part of such a solution? Yes or no? You, say NO, not possible - so how we going to fill it then? (if it was ever built?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 we wont fill it frank...that is the reality of it...not 58k ffs if we had a 40k ground..probably fill it for many prem games and get high gates in others..whilst a few will still sit around what it does now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 I think he was confident of getting to the prem in a short period of time. We are probably a year or 2 ahead but he did not want to devalue the product as he knew we would sell out anyway in the prem (plastics). I think £12 or whatever is unrealistic but I could see some sections going for £20 in the future or kids tickets being a quid. This would make sense, stop them supporting Chelsea or man city or another team of the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaroid Saint Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 There's a pleasant surprise... ...Despite the argumentive prose, the two post above see Turks and FC, seemingly, in total agreement! To wit; reduced regular ticket pricing would require a cultural change beyond any one club, but alas a cultural change isn't on the cards anytime soon. It's also a bit like the Catch22 in regards to public transport - if more people used it, it would be cheaper, but it can only get cheaper if more people use it. And so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 I think he was confident of getting to the prem in a short period of time. We are probably a year or 2 ahead but he did not want to devalue the product as he knew we would sell out anyway in the prem (plastics). I think £12 or whatever is unrealistic but I could see some sections going for £20 in the future or kids tickets being a quid. This would make sense, stop them supporting Chelsea or man city or another team of the moment. basically..it will cost the same to watch a league 2 game as it would to watch a premier league game..? not a chance in hell...unless there is a huge cultural change from the whole of football in this country... but whilst lower league 2 teams have no money....they aint going to reduce their prices Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 ... Calm down dear, you seem awfully stressed by this.. it is all hyperthical discussion, so why get so ound up by it? This started because I asked a simple question: If NC is remotely serious (lets assume he is and this is not just BS/WUM) he must have considered how to fill it..yes? Do you believe that w ecould fill a 42-48k stadium every fortnight at £35-£45 a ticket - a price point that many on here have said disenfranchise the 'traditional' fan? Yes or NO? I dont think we could - therefore, either NC think swe could if we had EU football, or he is considering other ways to ensure demand - I was merely 'asking' whether a German model (and its ALL BL clubs not just bayern) would possibly be part of such a solution? Yes or no? You, say NO, not possible - so how we going to fill it then? (if it was ever built?) We're not going to fill it, that is the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 ... Calm down dear, you seem awfully stressed by this.. it is all hyperthical discussion, so why get so ound up by it? This started because I asked a simple question: If NC is remotely serious (lets assume he is and this is not just BS/WUM) he must have considered how to fill it..yes? Do you believe that w ecould fill a 42-48k stadium every fortnight at £35-£45 a ticket - a price point that many on here have said disenfranchise the 'traditional' fan? Yes or NO? I dont think we could - therefore, either NC think swe could if we had EU football, or he is considering other ways to ensure demand - I was merely 'asking' whether a German model (and its ALL BL clubs not just bayern) would possibly be part of such a solution? Yes or no? You, say NO, not possible - so how we going to fill it then? (if it was ever built?) Not at all Frankie boy. I would suggest like most normal people would that they way to see if you can fill a bigger stadium is to see if demand regularly outstrips supply over a reasonable amount of time, by how much and then consider expanding the stadium to cope with that demand. What i would suggest would be idotic, would be to spend the tens of millions of pounds expanding the stadium, then reduce the ticket prices to create a demand. We dont need a 48k or 58k stadium now and probably never will, we aren't even regularly filing the one we have at the moment. i'm sure MLG will be soon to bore us to death as to how we have more fans than Everton, Chelseas crowds in the 80s and all his other nonsense he likes to spout and you will just continue to bang on about Germany to fill a stadium the size of which we dont we dont need. Yes we could fill 58k possibly if tickets were free every game and everyone between the ages of 4 and 84 left the stadium with a free house and car and cheque for 50k but that isn't every going to happen and neither is us building a 58k stadium and charging everyone a tenner to get in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 basically..it will cost the same to watch a league 2 game as it would to watch a premier league game..? not a chance in hell...unless there is a huge cultural change from the whole of football in this country... but whilst lower league 2 teams have no money....they aint going to reduce their prices Yes, it's the cultural change I said that was needed. It depends on the cost of the upsizing. Like I said, fans in the actual stadium will just be part of the show soon. TV is where the money is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 Yes, it's the cultural change I said that was needed. It depends on the cost of the upsizing. Like I said, fans in the actual stadium will just be part of the show soon. TV is where the money is. You're going to be looking to shell out £25/30m for expansion. That has got to be recovered somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 I hope this won't affect the future of the half time relay, if it does i'm against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 I can only presume the 58,000 sweater stadium will have 18,000 inflatable seats that will be blown up once a decade for the odd game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 You're going to be looking to shell out £25/30m for expansion. That has got to be recovered somehow. Yeah like I said, it depends on the cost, also how flush we are for cash. Remember the extra seats will be filled with plastics. Plastics can't go to a game without being in full kit with scarf and hat. All of that makes ££££ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 Yeah like I said, it depends on the cost, also how flush we are for cash. Remember the extra seats will be filled with plastics. Plastics can't go to a game without being in full kit with scarf and hat. All of that makes ££££ you are not going to get 10k new people every game...and to get said new people every game to spend money in the shop not at saints..not in a million years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 You're going to be looking to shell out £25/30m for expansion. That has got to be recovered somehow. Reckon it'll cost a damnsight more than that to go up to 58k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 Not at all Frankie boy. I would suggest like most normal people would that they way to see if you can fill a bigger stadium is to see if demand regularly outstrips supply over a reasonable amount of time, by how much and then consider expanding the stadium to cope with that demand. What i would suggest would be idotic, would be to spend the tens of millions of pounds expanding the stadium, then reduce the ticket prices to create a demand. We dont need a 48k or 58k stadium now and probably never will, we aren't even regularly filing the one we have at the moment. i'm sure MLG will be soon to bore us to death as to how we have more fans than Everton, Chelseas crowds in the 80s and all his other nonsense he likes to spout and you will just continue to bang on about Germany to fill a stadium the size of which we dont we dont need. Yes we could fill 58k possibly if tickets were free every game and everyone between the ages of 4 and 84 left the stadium with a free house and car and cheque for 50k but that isn't every going to happen and neither is us building a 58k stadium and charging everyone a tenner to get in. I think you are confusing the situation and mixing two seperate points again Turks - NORMAL business practice would as you say suggest waiting... and waiting .. to see if you can grow demand purel on success and have 1000s on ST waiting lists will to pay £700-£800 for an ST... I agree that this logic, albeit oversimplied apears rational and in line with traditianl business thinking. BUT ask any entrepeur and they will tell you that to be successful you have to think differently and for some businesses - not all (so please dont qote your Apple Ipad example again - that is about brand value and a different Kettle of fish) you have the opportunity to DRIVE demand, not through brand appeal, or advertsing, but through expanding accessibilty - If you are looking for a business example, unlike Apple who happily maintain high price to maintain brand value, knowing its also at a price point that is obtainable but not cheap - think Henry Ford - turning pipe dream aspiration into affordable product for the masses by applying new manafacturing techniques to achieve a price point that most could afford. The FSF, the Government and half the fans on here have been lamenting the fact that football is no longer affordable to the working class masses. A good business man wil lok at that and think: and think ... and think about HOW he could tap back into that market segment - a segment that is loyal, spends a fair few quid on beer, foot etc... how many are there, how many kids OAPs that would all spend money if only it were affordable... So you look at all models in all markets and see what you can learn - now it may be that it woudl not work because you are fighting against a culture that would need to shift.... but simply dismissing it out of hand is possibly why you do what you do, and NC is possibly slightly better remunerated... dont you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 all well and good talking about business models...it aint going to happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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