aintforever Posted 19 March, 2013 Share Posted 19 March, 2013 The thing is Wigan don't look a bad side at the moment and with their experience it wouldn't be a surprise if they pull clear. With us and Villa picking up the odd result you can see one of the clubs above getting sucked in. It's very open this year with only 4 points between 4th bottom Villa and stoke in 11th. It all depends on how Wigan do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 23 March, 2013 Share Posted 23 March, 2013 The thing is Wigan don't look a bad side at the moment and with their experience it wouldn't be a surprise if they pull clear. With us and Villa picking up the odd result you can see one of the clubs above getting sucked in. It's very open this year with only 4 points between 4th bottom Villa and stoke in 11th. It all depends on how Wigan do. Sunderland just look like they might implode. They look like their confidence is totally shot. We're still in the scrap though. Wigan are better than their position - I think they'll be safe, I think Villa will be OK. QPR are a cert to go down, they have Harry and he doesnt do relegation fights. Reading are going down. We're still not out of the drop zone yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 24 March, 2013 Share Posted 24 March, 2013 Other fans reaction to the season and predictions to the bottom three, as well as Saints fan Ben Gammon: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/mar/23/fans-network-final-push-part-one http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/mar/23/fans-network-final-push-part-two A split of Sunderland, Villa and Wigan to join QPR and Reading to go down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 24 March, 2013 Share Posted 24 March, 2013 (edited) Other fans reaction to the season and predictions to the bottom three, as well as Saints fan Ben Gammon: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/mar/23/fans-network-final-push-part-one http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/mar/23/fans-network-final-push-part-two A split of Sunderland, Villa and Wigan to join QPR and Reading to go down Interesting read, Only the Swansea fan needs educating!! Edited 24 March, 2013 by Tamesaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stud mark of doom Posted 24 March, 2013 Share Posted 24 March, 2013 Other fans reaction to the season and predictions to the bottom three, as well as Saints fan Ben Gammon: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/mar/23/fans-network-final-push-part-one http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/mar/23/fans-network-final-push-part-two A split of Sunderland, Villa and Wigan to join QPR and Reading to go down Interesting - Sunderland seem to be the most popular third team to go, which isn't how the bookies see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsAhoy Posted 24 March, 2013 Share Posted 24 March, 2013 We can teach Swansea a lesson on 20th April Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 25 March, 2013 Share Posted 25 March, 2013 (edited) Interesting - Sunderland seem to be the most popular third team to go, which isn't how the bookies see it. Yeah, it's that "flavour of the month" thing though isn't it ? Villa have won 2 matches recently but at the moment people see Sunderland sliding and Villa rising up, but Villa have only beaten the bottom 2 and West Ham since December, and are still terrible. Having said that, I just did the predictor and had Sunderland/Villa/Wigan all very close - Villa v Sunderland and the last day Wigan v Villa will probably be key. I also had Reading 7 points behind everyone else. Saints, winning their home games and losing aways with the exceptions of draws at Sunderland and Reading came in a (close) 12th, 2 points ahead of 15th and 2 points behind 10th. Edited 25 March, 2013 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 25 March, 2013 Share Posted 25 March, 2013 Yeah, it's that "flavour of the month" thing though isn't it ? Villa have won 2 matches recently but at the moment people see Sunderland sliding and Villa rising up, but Villa have only beaten the bottom 2 and West Ham since December, and are still terrible. Having said that, I just did the predictor and had Sunderland/Villa/Wigan all very close - Villa v Sunderland and the last day Wigan v Villa will probably be key. I also had Reading 7 points behind everyone else. Saints, winning their home games and losing aways with the exceptions of draws at Sunderland and Reading came in a (close) 12th, 2 points ahead of 15th and 2 points behind 10th. People are basing it on momentum, teams are running out of games to run their form around really to make a difference, so Sunderland's terrible run + tough fixtures + some omentum from Wigan and Villa is what is causing it. Fletchers injury will add to the doom and gloom I imagine. At the moment they are like us 4 clear, but give a few weeks and they might not be, thing is I bet they will pick up an unexpected result which will then make them safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 25 March, 2013 Share Posted 25 March, 2013 PFletchers injury will add to the doom and gloom I imagine. And if Gardener were to get a 10th yellow card in either of the 2 games left before the 10 card amnesty they'd be right in the crapper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Saint Posted 25 March, 2013 Share Posted 25 March, 2013 At the moment they are like us 4 clear, but give a few weeks and they might not be, thing is I bet they will pick up an unexpected result which will then make them safe. I can see them beating Man Utd at the weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 25 March, 2013 Share Posted 25 March, 2013 (edited) Fletcher is out for at least six weeks, he may need surgery. Sessègnon is out of the Man Utd game. Edited 25 March, 2013 by Doctoroncall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 26 March, 2013 Share Posted 26 March, 2013 All set up for them to fluke a win over Utd, they weren't exactly on the ball against Reading and only won there because of a Rooney deflected goal, they didn't get out of second gear and they probably know second gear will win them enough games to win the title . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 26 March, 2013 Share Posted 26 March, 2013 looking at the fixtures left, it seems that we need Norwich not to take their eyes off the ball and start coasting. They have to play the clubs near us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 26 March, 2013 Author Share Posted 26 March, 2013 All set up for them to fluke a win over Utd, they weren't exactly on the ball against Reading and only won there because of a Rooney deflected goal, they didn't get out of second gear and they probably know second gear will win them enough games to win the title . I see Fergie has said he's going to play 2 completely different teams this week....Surely they'll get fined just like Wolves did !? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 26 March, 2013 Share Posted 26 March, 2013 I see Fergie has said he's going to play 2 completely different teams this week....Surely they'll get fined just like Wolves did !? Why should they? If they are in their 25 man squad that they handed in in August then what's the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 26 March, 2013 Share Posted 26 March, 2013 I see Fergie has said he's going to play 2 completely different teams this week....Surely they'll get fined just like Wolves did !? Nice one.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 26 March, 2013 Share Posted 26 March, 2013 Why should they? If they are in their 25 man squad that they handed in in August then what's the problem? That's the point, Wolves shouldn't have got fined but did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 26 March, 2013 Share Posted 26 March, 2013 I see Fergie has said he's going to play 2 completely different teams this week....Surely they'll get fined just like Wolves did !? Different competitions this time... Wolves did it with 2 prem games and that was deemed unacceptable (for no logical reason) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 26 March, 2013 Author Share Posted 26 March, 2013 Why should they? If they are in their 25 man squad that they handed in in August then what's the problem? Consistency ?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 26 March, 2013 Share Posted 26 March, 2013 That's the point, Wolves shouldn't have got fined but did. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 26 March, 2013 Share Posted 26 March, 2013 Consistency ?! What's the point of having a 25 man squad if you get fined for only playing the ones other people think you should? Fergie, to his credit, has shown many times he wont be dictated to about who to pick. He'll pick and send out teams to win both matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 26 March, 2013 Author Share Posted 26 March, 2013 What's the point of having a 25 man squad if you get fined for only playing the ones other people think you should? Fergie, to his credit, has shown many times he wont be dictated to about who to pick. He'll pick and send out teams to win both matches. Not saying I agree with it. What I am saying, however, is that if Wolves got fined for it, then why shouldn't Man Utd. Its because they're a huge club and Fergie does what he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 26 March, 2013 Share Posted 26 March, 2013 Not saying I agree with it. What I am saying, however, is that if Wolves got fined for it, then why shouldn't Man Utd. Its because they're a huge club and Fergie does what he wants. No idea. Wolves shouldn't have been and neither should Man United. If the players are in their 25 man squad then why is it a problem? Why should anyone else dictate who a club manager can pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 26 March, 2013 Author Share Posted 26 March, 2013 No idea. Wolves shouldn't have been and neither should Man United. If the players are in their 25 man squad then why is it a problem? Why should anyone else dictate who a club manager can pick? They shouldn't. But if one club gets done for it, why shouldnt Utd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 26 March, 2013 Share Posted 26 March, 2013 The difference is that Man Utd reserves are all top internationals whereas Wolves' are all nobodies. They should both operate under the same rule, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 March, 2013 Share Posted 26 March, 2013 People are basing it on momentum, teams are running out of games to run their form around really to make a difference, so Sunderland's terrible run + tough fixtures + some omentum from Wigan and Villa is what is causing it. Fletchers injury will add to the doom and gloom I imagine. At the moment they are like us 4 clear, but give a few weeks and they might not be, thing is I bet they will pick up an unexpected result which will then make them safe. Sunderland's momentum was as good as anyone's when they beat us and Man City in December, why is not that being taken into consideration ? Fwiw, my predictor thing oversimplified, I only had us to win 2 homes and draw 2 away, and we were still comfortable before the last match (which was the second win). Dunno if the Adkins thing will change much, other than Reading obviously beating us now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted 27 March, 2013 Share Posted 27 March, 2013 Big weekend in the Prem. I'll be surprised if we get much out of Chelsea, they're pretty ruthless when they're on it, but then we've been surprised a few times recently. Sat 30th: Sunderland vs Man Utd (12:45) Arsenal vs Reading Man City vs Newcastle Southampton vs Chelsea Swansea vs Tottenham West Ham vs West Brom Wigan vs Norwich Everton vs Stoke (17:30) Sun 31st: Villa vs Liverpool (13:30) Mon 1st: Fulham vs QPR (20:00) We can realistically expect defeats for Sunderland, Reading, ourselves, probably Newcastle, hopefully Villa and QPR. Wigan vs Norwich is tough to call. I'd bet on a draw if I had to call it but a Norwich win would be useful. We could really do with Liverpool pulling their finger out on Sunday, don't want Villa getting any momentum. And while they're in bad shape anyway, anything but a win for QPR will all but finish them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 27 March, 2013 Author Share Posted 27 March, 2013 I reckon Wigan will beat Norwich to keep it alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 27 March, 2013 Share Posted 27 March, 2013 I reckon Wigan will beat Norwich to keep it alive. I can't see them not, tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monosaint Posted 27 March, 2013 Share Posted 27 March, 2013 Went through the BBC Predictor again and had us to lose the next two games and we still stay up. Reflects how tough a run in some of the other teams have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 28 March, 2013 Share Posted 28 March, 2013 Big weekend in the Prem. I'll be surprised if we get much out of Chelsea, they're pretty ruthless when they're on it, but then we've been surprised a few times recently. Sat 30th: Sunderland vs Man Utd (12:45) Arsenal vs Reading Man City vs Newcastle Southampton vs Chelsea Swansea vs Tottenham West Ham vs West Brom Wigan vs Norwich Everton vs Stoke (17:30) Sun 31st: Villa vs Liverpool (13:30) Mon 1st: Fulham vs QPR (20:00) We can realistically expect defeats for Sunderland, Reading, ourselves, probably Newcastle, hopefully Villa and QPR. Wigan vs Norwich is tough to call. I'd bet on a draw if I had to call it but a Norwich win would be useful. We could really do with Liverpool pulling their finger out on Sunday, don't want Villa getting any momentum. And while they're in bad shape anyway, anything but a win for QPR will all but finish them. I can see Wigan and QPR winning to be honest, and then Sunderland, Reading, Newcastle and us all loosing. Toughest one to call is Villa v Liverpool, we need to the real Liverpool to turn up, hopefully they will be smarting after the result against us. Reckon the table will be like this after the weekend: 12. Stoke 34 13. Norwich 34 14. Newcastle 33 15. Saints 31 16. Sunderland 31 17. Wigan 30 18. Villa 30 19. QPR 26 20. Reading 23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
There when Franny scored Posted 29 March, 2013 Share Posted 29 March, 2013 http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1584771-southampton-are-the-saints-finally-above-the-relegation-fray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddings and Monkeys Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 I've been trying to find that stats/probability site that shows the league table and the % likelihood of finishing in different positions - can anyone help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max_saints Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 April 6: Reading (A) April 13: West Ham (H) April 20: Swansea (A) April 27: West Brom (H) May 4: Tottenham (A) May 12: Sunderland (A) May 19: Stoke (H) so, 7 games left to play. based on current form I can see us getting 3 points each from reading, west ham and Sunderland games. maybe even a win at Swansea as they seem to have started their holidays early after their cup win. first time this season when I really feel very confident of our chances of staying up. I think we can start worrying less about the teams below us and just focus on securing 2-3 more wins and that should be enough! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 I've been trying to find that stats/probability site that shows the league table and the % likelihood of finishing in different positions - can anyone help? http://www.sportsclubstats.com/England/Southampton.html This is a good one based on the monte Carlo Technique used to ascertain and allocate probability to different complex outcomes! the last line shows the likely outcomes after Chelsea with our most likely finishing place now being between 12/13 and the likelehood of relegation being less than 2% now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 I've been trying to find that stats/probability site that shows the league table and the % likelihood of finishing in different positions - can anyone help? theres this one.... http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league and this one... http://www.dectech.co.uk/football/seasonend_overall.php both interesting if you like pouring over the fixtures, results, form, permutations.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddings and Monkeys Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 Thank you both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 Martin O'Neill has left Sunderland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 theres this one.... http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league and this one... http://www.dectech.co.uk/football/seasonend_overall.php both interesting if you like pouring over the fixtures, results, form, permutations.. The second of these has yet to be updated with our Chelsea result! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 Martin O'Neill has left Sunderland. Will they appoint Mcdermott then to complete the cycle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 Well, we need to add Stoke to the OP now I suppose. Should probably either add Fulham or remove West Ham too, probably the former as things stand but 1 more win each should keep them up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Bookies odds are shifting a lot tonight, but most are shifting us out towards 20/1 to be relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 For what it's worth Stoke 6th April - Villa (h) 14th April - Man Utd (h) 20th April - QPR (a) 27th April - Norwich (h) 4th May - Sunderland (a) 12th May - Spurs (h) 19th May - Saints (a) Some big 6 pointers in there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Villa look hopeless thus far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 31 March, 2013 Author Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Villa look hopeless thus far. Had the best chance of the game as yet though ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Villa score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc oli Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Villa one up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Liverpool equalise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Get in there Henderson you overpriced piece of tat. Coutinho; 5 games since he signed and he's been involved in 5 goals. That's the sort of impact you want from a new signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 That was some pass from Coutinho.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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