Saint Garrett Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 (edited) Games involving two relegation candidates are highlighted...I think it will be tight but we'll just edge it. SOUTHAMPTON Fixtures - P35, GD-10, 39 points May 4: Tottenham (A) May 12: Sunderland (A) May 19: Stoke (H) NORWICH Fixtures - P35, GD -21, 38 points May 4: Aston Villa (H) May 12: West Brom (H) May 19: Man City (A) SUNDERLAND Fixtures - P35, GD-12, 37 points May 4: Stoke (H) May 12: Southampton (H) May 19: Tottenham (A) ASTON VILLA Fixtures - P35, GD-22, 37 points May 4 Norwich (A) May 12 Chelsea (H) May 19 Wigan (A) NEWCASTLE Fixtures - P35, GD -23, 37 points May 4: West Ham (A) May 12: QPR (A) May 19: Arsenal (H) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WIGAN Fixtures - P34, GD-23, 32 points May 4: West Brom (A) May 7: Swansea (H) May 12: Arsenal (A) May 19: Aston Villa (H) RELEGATED QPR Fixtures - P35, GD-27, 25 points May 4: Arsenal (H) May 12: Newcastle (H) May 19: Liverpool (A) RELEGATED READING Fixtures - P35, GD-28, 25 points May 4: Fulham (A) May 12: Man City (H) May 19: West Ham (A) Edited 30 April, 2013 by Saint Garrett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 Reading worry me....just look at their home games... looking at that, it is hard to see QPR getting enough points... every time we fuk up a win, it puts added pressure on games like the man city game...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 4 February, 2013 Author Share Posted 4 February, 2013 Just hope that when we play a few of those teams at the end of the season, they've got nothing to play for. WHU, Swansea, WBA, Sunderland and Stoke are all pretty likely to be safe and not going for Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 Just hope that when we play a few of those teams at the end of the season, they've got nothing to play for. WHU, Swansea, WBA, Sunderland and Stoke are all pretty likely to be safe and not going for Europe. trouble is...it is rarely like that in the prem....with so much money going for each league placing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToreSF Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 We need 16 more points in my opinion. 4 or 5 wins should be doable. If we play like we've been doing lately, I can't see us going down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 If we keep picking up a few points, the last 6 games, perhaps with the exception of Tottenham, look very winnable. We should be looking to pick up at least 10 points from those, just means we could be waiting till the last day of the season to confirm safety. Sent from my HTC One S using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 Worth resurrecting the bottom six mini-league: [table=width: 500, class: grid] [tr] [th][/th] [th]Pld[/th] [th]Won[/th] [th]Drw[/th] [th]Lst[/th] [th]For[/th] [th]Agt[/th] [th]GD[/th] [th]Pts[/th] [/tr] [tr] [td]1. Saints[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]13[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]+7[/td] [td]16[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]2. Wigan[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]12[/td] [td]9[/td] [td]+3[/td] [td]11[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]3. Newcastle[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]8[/td] [td]+2[/td] [td]11[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]4. Reading[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]9[/td] [td]-2[/td] [td]5[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]5. Aston Villa[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]4[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]12[/td] [td]-7[/td] [td]5[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]6. QPR[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]0[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]8[/td] [td]-3[/td] [td]3[/td] [/tr] [/table] Alternatively, if you take the view that Newcastle are more than likely out of danger having made a load of new signings who seem to have hit the ground running, the bottom 5 table looks like this: [table=width: 500, class: grid] [tr] [th][/th] [th]Pld[/th] [th]Won[/th] [th]Drw[/th] [th]Lst[/th] [th]For[/th] [th]Agt[/th] [th]GD[/th] [th]Pts[/th] [/tr] [tr] [td]1. Saints[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]4[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]11[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]+5[/td] [td]13[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]2. Wigan[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]0[/td] [td]12[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]+6[/td] [td]11[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]3. Aston Villa[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]9[/td] [td]-6[/td] [td]4[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]4. QPR[/td] [td]4[/td] [td]0[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]-2[/td] [td]3[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]5. Reading[/td] [td]4[/td] [td]0[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]-3[/td] [td]1[/td] [/tr] [/table] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 Reading worry me....just look at their home games... looking at that, it is hard to see QPR getting enough points... every time we fuk up a win, it puts added pressure on games like the man city game...... Yeh, but look at the games around those home games. Stoke, Everton, Man Utd, Man Utd, Arsenal all away. (all games we have done) Man City and Liverpool to play at home. They realistically have 6 games to pick up their points from. If they don't get the results they need in those home games they are going to have some trouble getting them elsewhere. Massive pressure to win those 6 pointers. Wigan and QPR have the toughest fixtures run in for me. Wigan have away trips to Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal, West Brom, West Ham, plus QPR and Reading. Ours is about the same as Villas. March/April will decide our season. 5 home games, and winnable away games at Norwich, Reading and Swansea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 QPR new signing Remy, reported to be out for three months with groin strain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 QPR new signing Remy, reported to be out for three months with groin strain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 QPR new signing Remy, reported to be out for three months with groin strain. And Samba about 3 months away from fitness.... When teams play them with something more mobile upfront than Norwich did he will have serious problems... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restark19 Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 QPR new signing Remy, reported to be out for three months with groin strain. brilliant. Whatever happened to that Flyer bloke, used to post on here quite a lot didn't he haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 well, nothing confirmed about Remy...he is deffo out but the length of time remains..although rumours are rife that it could be up to 3 months amazing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 4 February, 2013 Author Share Posted 4 February, 2013 brilliant. Whatever happened to that Flyer bloke, used to post on here quite a lot didn't he haha. He was quite active on here towards the end of the transfer window. I seem to remember him saying they had some 'world class' players and they'll be pushing for europe ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 Is that true or is it just from the Sun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 I think 34 points may be enough to stay up. Although Reading have four big homes they also have four very tough away fixtures coming up as well as Man City at home and Liverpool at home. Wigan's next four are pretty nasty. They may have a play-off with Villa on the final day but I reckon they might both be down by then. Villa have Arsenal, Stoke and Man U away as well as City, Chelsea and Liverpool at home. I'd be surprised if they finish with more than 33 points. QPR... well, to get to 35 they need to average about 1.5 points per game. If they had done that so far they would be where Liverpool and Arsenal are now. Can't see it. Three or four wins and a couple of draws will see us fine, I reckon. I would hope we can do a bit better than that, in any case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintfully Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 Contorversially I think its us and QPR staying up. BTW Villa are absolutely fuc.ked aren't they!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 (edited) As I have too much time on my hands - a breakdown of the games we all have left. Overall we and Villa have the edge on these statistics Games against Games at Top 7/ Mid 6/ Bottom 7/ Home/ Away QPR 4/ 4/ 5/ 6/ 7 Reading 5/ 3/ 5/ 6/ 7 Wigan 5/ 3/ 5/ 6/ 7 Aston Villa 5/ 6/ 2/ 7/ 6 Saints 4/ 5/ 4/ 7/ 6 Edited 4 February, 2013 by sidthesquid it all looked beautifully neat.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 QPR new signing Remy, reported to be out for three months with groin strain. Thought Joe Jordan said it was just a groin strain rather than a tear. If so it's probably 2-3 weeks not months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 I still think that some of the teams (Fulham & Norwich) above could get dragged into it, although they will ultimately end up being OK. It's not beyond impossible that we could finish higher than 16th. As long as we can maintain our current form (7 points from last 6 games) over our last 13 games then we are going to be fine. That form would essentially give us 38 points with the Stoke game spare on the final day. Any dip in that form and we are going to be in trouble, any better then we can look forward to mid table security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToreSF Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 If can average the same amount of point pr match as we have done in our last 15 matches, we will end on 41 points. I don't think thats unlikely when you look upon our fixtures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Kucho Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 Reading seem to have found some form, and I think they will stay up. Can see QPR, Villa and Wigan going down. Wigan have been hanging on and narrowly surviving the drop for years, just like us in 2005, their luck will run out eventually. Wouldn't be surprised to see West Ham and Norwich getting dragged in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born In The 80s Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 Games involving two relegation candidates in italics...I think it will be tight but we'll just edge it. QPR Fixtures February 9: Swansea (A) 1 February 23: Manchester United (H) 0 March 2: Southampton (A) 1 March 9: Sunderland (H) 3 March 16: Aston Villa (A) 1 March 30: Fulham (A) 1 April 6: Wigan (H) 3 April 13: Everton (A) 0 April 20: Stoke (H) 3 April 27: Reading (A) 1 May 4: Arsenal (H) 1 May 12: Newcastle (H) 3 May 19: Liverpool (A) 0 18 points. READING Fixtures February 9: Stoke (A) 0 February 23: Wigan (H) 3 March 2: Everton (A) 0 March 9: Aston Villa (H) 3 March 16: Manchester United (A) 0 March 30: Arsenal (A) 0 April 6: Southampton (H) 1 April 13: Liverpool (H) 1 April 20: Norwich (A) 1 April 27: QPR (H) 1 May 4: Fulham (A) 1 May 12: Man City (H) 0 May 19: West Ham (A) 1 12 Points. WIGAN Fixtures February 9: Chelsea (A) 0 February 23: Reading (A) 0 March 2: Liverpool (H) 1 March 9: Manchester City (A) 0 March 16: Newcastle (H) 3 March 30: Norwich (H) 3 April 6: QPR (A) 0 April 13: Swansea (H) 3 April 20: West Ham (A) 1 April 27: Tottenham (H) 0 May 4: West Brom (A) 3 May 12: Arsenal (A) 0 May 19: Aston Villa (H) 1 15 points. ASTON VILLA Fixtures February 9 West Ham (H) 3 February 23 Arsenal (A) 0 March 2 Man City (H) 0 March 9 Reading (A) 0 March 16 QPR (H) 1 Match 30 Liverpool(H) 0 April 6 Stoke (A)0 April 13 Fulham (H) 3 April 20 Man Utd (A) 0 April 27 Sunderland (H) 1 May 4 Norwich (A) 3 May 12 Chelsea (H) 0 May 19 Wigan (A) 1 12 Points. SOUTHAMPTON Fixtures February 9 Manchester City: (H) 0 February 23 Newcastle (A) 0 March 2: QPR (H) 1 March 9: Norwich (A) 1 March 16: Liverpool (H) 1 March 30 Chelsea (H) 0 April 6: Reading (A) 1 April 13: West Ham (H) 3 April 20: Swansea (A) 1 April 27: West Brom (H) 3 May 4: Tottenham (A) 0 May 12: Sunderland (A) 0 May 19: Stoke (H) 3 14 points. Final table of: Saints - 38 Wigan - 36 QPR - 35 Reading - 35 Villa - 33 Tried to be as fair as possible. I do fancy QPR to go on a bit of a roll, but even 4 wins and 6 draws isn't enough by my reckoning. It's going to be seriously close. Think it will all come down to the six pointers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 4 February, 2013 Author Share Posted 4 February, 2013 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2273281/Loic-Remy-injured-months.html QPR fear that £8million striker Loic Remy could be out for two months with the injury he suffered in training last week which forced him to miss Saturday's 0-0 draw with Norwich. The France forward scored on his QPR debut in the 1-1 draw at West Ham after signing from Marseille during the transfer window. Rangers boss Harry Redknapp was hoping that Remy could spearhead the club's survival bid as they look to bridge the six-point gap to safety in their remaining 13 games. But now he faces the prospect of being without his striker for the next six games - including relegation clashes at Aston Villa and Southampton in March and possibly the visit of Wigan in April. Redknapp initially said the injury was a tear after the Norwich game, but assistant manager Joe Jordan told the BBC it was a 'slight strain'. 'I have no idea how long he will be out. We will have to see how he is on Sunday and Monday,' Redknapp said. 'It was in the last minute of training, and he just struck a ball and felt it go.' After failing to land Peter Crouch and Peter Odemwingie on deadline day Remy's injury leaves Bobby Zamora and Jamie Mackie as Redknapp's only fit first-team strikers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 QPR new signing Remy, reported to be out for three months with groin strain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyb1 Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 Final table of: Saints - 38 Wigan - 36 QPR - 35 Reading - 35 Villa - 33 Tried to be as fair as possible. I do fancy QPR to go on a bit of a roll, but even 4 wins and 6 draws isn't enough by my reckoning. It's going to be seriously close. Think it will all come down to the six pointers... Will take the new manager 11 games to get a win according to you. There will be people on here literally salivating if that's the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 at this rate...injuries are going to send us down (bit like 2005) Clyne Shaw Fonte Forren Lallana (been out for ages) Ramirez (always seems to not be fit enough) Guly all we need now is Lambert to pull a hammy and we have the set Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 at this rate...injuries are going to send us down (bit like 2005) Clyne Shaw Fonte Forren Lallana (been out for ages) Ramirez (always seems to not be fit enough) Guly all we need now is Lambert to pull a hammy and we have the set but we have just the match on Saturday and then another 2 week break. City haven't looked great of late and if we can get something out of that match we can recover and regroup for the Reading game on the 23 rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 We have a very good run in, West Ham, Swansea, West Brom, Sunderland and Stoke (5 of the last 6) should all be in the mid table comfort zone. They are the teams you want to be playing at the business end. If we are above the bottom 3 after the Reading game we will stay up comfortably IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 Final table of: Saints - 38 Wigan - 36 QPR - 35 Reading - 35 Villa - 33 Tried to be as fair as possible. I do fancy QPR to go on a bit of a roll, but even 4 wins and 6 draws isn't enough by my reckoning. It's going to be seriously close. Think it will all come down to the six pointers... Looking at it from your predictions (many of which look plausible) I feel pretty confident. Whichever matches they come in, 3 wins and 5 draws from the remaining 13 games has got to be the bare minimum we aim for. Obviously if those points come from games against relegation rivals then so much the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 Us and Reading will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 5 February, 2013 Share Posted 5 February, 2013 at this rate...injuries are going to send us down (bit like 2005) Clyne Shaw Fonte Forren Lallana (been out for ages) Ramirez (always seems to not be fit enough) Guly all we need now is Lambert to pull a hammy and we have the set Maybe we should wait until we know the extent of the injuries before the doom and gloom? I think Clyne and Ramirez have 'knocks', they might miss the game against City. which we aren't likely to win anyway but they aren't out for ages, Lallana is almost back to full fitness, Forren isn't even injured just getting back to match fitness and Guly and Fonte should be on the mend. Only really Shaw and no one knows how bad it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 5 February, 2013 Author Share Posted 5 February, 2013 (edited) I doubt that Shaw, Clyne, Gaston, Forren will be out for long. Lallana looked sharp on Saturday and looked good at OT as well. Fonte's looked pretty bad but he's been out a month already so must be on his way back, and Guly has been out a few weeks but probably wouldn't get in the side now anyway. Looks like Remy isn't injured for very long after all, he's in the squad for tomorrow. And seeing as though they've just let DJ Campbell out on loan for 3 months, I'm guessing he must be there or there abouts. Edited 8 February, 2013 by Saint Garrett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 8 February, 2013 Author Share Posted 8 February, 2013 Sticky this mods? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 February, 2013 Share Posted 9 February, 2013 So the nest round of games see QPR play Man United and Reading home to Wigan. You'd fancy United and Reading to win meaning QPR come to st Mary's 9 points from safety with 9 to play. We beat them then they are as good as down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieDog Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Bottom 3 look to be QPR Villa & Wigan, looking at those fixtures. IT certainly won't be us if we can keep the same intensity of perfomance up for the rest of the season. Even if it's not them, I think 35 points will be enough to stay up. No worries now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Play like we have been and all of the next 12 games are winnable imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 It's amazing how the table can change. At 3pm yesterday I thought we were in big trouble, come 7.25 and we're only 3 points off of 11th. Sent from my HTC One S using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony F Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Need to add Newcastle into the mix if we win or draw up there in 2 weeks' time...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 10 February, 2013 Author Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Need to add Newcastle into the mix if we win or draw up there in 2 weeks' time...... And maybe Norwich! Don't see Newcastle going down though, despite losing to spurs they looked very good. Will be a great result getting something up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 You're worried about relegation???? I'm trying to work out if we are completely out of the Champion's League places... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 (edited) Need to add Newcastle into the mix if we win or draw up there in 2 weeks' time...... Draw would be a good result really up there but it's going to depend on their Europa Cup game the week before. No idea who they're playing but if they get a mauling we might be able to capitalise on it. Watched them against Spurs yesterday and they weren't great. Edited 10 February, 2013 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Personally I'd much rather Reading went down than Wigan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Norwich fans are starting to get worried. They could drop into the mire IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Need to add Newcastle into the mix if we win or draw up there in 2 weeks' time...... Or maybe that would take us out of the mix rather than adding them to it?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 (edited) Norwich fans are starting to get worried. They could drop into the mire IMO Depends, if Villa lose today I'd think that the current bottom 3 have it all to do and that the others would only have themselves to blame if they ended up in the relegation places. From Newcastle up survival is there to be lost now.The bottom 3 have bad GDs and thus need 7 points to get to the safe zone. Reading is another matter but they have virtually +4 points if Villa lose today. Edited 10 February, 2013 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 13 points from 12 games (from OP)? We can do that and then some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 Final table of: Saints - 38 Wigan - 36 QPR - 35 Reading - 35 Villa - 33 Tried to be as fair as possible. I do fancy QPR to go on a bit of a roll, but even 4 wins and 6 draws isn't enough by my reckoning. It's going to be seriously close. Think it will all come down to the six pointers... Sorry, but you've given them all far too many points. Qpr will do well to get 10, 18 is laughable. We will be fine, and the required points total for survival will be very low this season. 35 will easily be enough, but I'm confident of getting at least 40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 I'm starting to feel confident enough to look at catching the teams above us rather than keep clear of those below us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 10 February, 2013 Share Posted 10 February, 2013 I'm starting to feel confident enough to look at catching the teams above us rather than keep clear of those below us. Would like to see us overtake the hammers. Specially after the way the media drooled over the way they were certainly staying up and had 'done it' a lot better than us and reading. Think Villa will beat them today and reckon we will beat them at SMS. They've only scored 7 away goals worst in all the leagues I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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