Wade Garrett Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 When they're all match fit who do you reckon our first choice CB pairing should be. Jos has been better recently, I think Yoshida has tailed off. He was badly at fault for their first yesterday, but he has done well this season. Fonte was playing well before he was injured, after taking a bit of time to get used to the league. Forren is a ball playing centre back who is obviously highly rated. All things considered I'll go for Forren and Fonte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaneNero Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 Always think that Hooiveld has an error in him, saying that he can pop up the other end and score... I would go with Yoshida and Forren and then Fonte to come fight for his place in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 If there was a point in buying Forren it was to play him. Jack Stephens is already there as CB behind the other three so Forren was not intended as cover. For me, Yoshida should normally be the other first choice, but he did look uncertain at times this week and he's not the goal threat at set pieces that both Jose and Jos can be. At the moment I think I'd go for Forren and Hooiveld butr its not easy. We all wanted another CB and now we've got one it may have given the manager quite a selection problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 Depending on whether Forren's any good of course, I'd probably put him with Fonte at first glance. Yoshida has been pretty solid recently though (disregarding his few mistakes at Wigan), and was purchased this season, so maybe José will be pushed to the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 I've said it before but anyway, why the **** did we buy a slow CB in this transfer window if we are going to play a high defensive line? I'm not saying he is not a good player with plenty of positive attributes but even his biggest fans have told us he is not fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 If there was a point in buying Forren it was to play him. Jack Stephens is already there as CB behind the other three so Forren was not intended as cover. For me, Yoshida should normally be the other first choice, but he did look uncertain at times this week and he's not the goal threat at set pieces that both Jose and Jos can be. At the moment I think I'd go for Forren and Hooiveld butr its not easy. We all wanted another CB and now we've got one it may have given the manager quite a selection problem. Yosh and Forren for me sounds a good partnership but I can see some rotation here because the position is very demanding given our style of play. Yosh has only made one mistake recently but it's causing lot of debate! Stephens is an interesting case in point but hey are still working on his best position. Converted from RB to CB he captained the U21s yesterday in a defensive midfield role. Looks more like a Cork replacement to me. For me, Turnbull is the one to watch from U21 level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restark19 Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 Yoshida's looked good this season but imo Fonte has looked class recently, Forren and Fonte for me. Is Forren left or right footed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 3 February, 2013 Author Share Posted 3 February, 2013 Yoshida's looked good this season but imo Fonte has looked class recently, Forren and Fonte for me. Is Forren left or right footed? Pretty sure he's left footed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 3 February, 2013 Author Share Posted 3 February, 2013 Yosh and Forren for me sounds a good partnership but I can see some rotation here because the position is very demanding given our style of play. Yosh has only made one mistake recently but it's causing lot of debate! Stephens is an interesting case in point but hey are still working on his best position. Converted from RB to CB he captained the U21s yesterday in a defensive midfield role. Looks more like a Cork replacement to me. For me, Turnbull is the one to watch from U21 level. Is Stephens quick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowds Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 Forren and Fonte... Centre backs cost us yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 When they're all match fit who do you reckon our first choice CB pairing should be. Jos has been better recently, I think Yoshida has tailed off. He was badly at fault for their first yesterday, but he has done well this season. Fonte was playing well before he was injured, after taking a bit of time to get used to the league. Forren is a ball playing centre back who is obviously highly rated. All things considered I'll go for Forren and Fonte. I fully agree with this. Although Yoshida has looked Ok on many occasions he does make costly mistakes and neither he nor Hooifeld are quick enough. I would go for the two 'F's Forren and Fonte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 All things considered I'll go for Forren and Fonte. All things considered...... And you pick a guy youve never seen play??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WealdSaint Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 I'm not sure if Jos should be 1st choice, BUT I take my hat of to the guy for getting over a terible start to the season and putting in some good shifts. He is also a real goal threat at corners and set pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughba Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 Forren / Yoshida Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 Should be a poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 Can we include other players we have never seen play in the poll as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 3 February, 2013 Author Share Posted 3 February, 2013 All things considered...... And you pick a guy youve never seen play??? How do you know I've never seen him play? You boring c*nt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neef Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 Forren and Fonte for me. Yoshida still worries me. He reads the game brilliantly but his reluctance to put in a challenge is worrying. There were 3/4 occasions vs Wigan where he could and should ave attempted a tackle yet he continued shadowing the player. For a CB, his aerial ability needs to improve as well. Badly at fault for the 1st goal yesterday; not the first time he has misjudged the flight of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 With the exception of Hooiveld, our CB options at the moment all appear too lightweight. Shame that Hooiveld earlier in the season appears, at this level, to be playing in wellies too often. Fonte will offer a bit more 'muscle' on his return. Shame but we needed a 'dominating' CB in the window to sort this out, and again fell short in our targets. Perhaps Astori might have been the answer but it did not happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 Key moments cost you. Yoshida and Hooiveld both lost key headers leading to both goals and Wigans only open play chance was as a result of Hooiveld leaving Di Santo just like he left Rooney at OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 How do you know I've never seen him play? You boring c*nt. Ok, i'll fall for it on Glesga's behalf - Have you seen him play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 I think both Hooiveld amnd Yoshida are way out of theior depth based on their recent performances. If anything sends us down this season it will be amateurish defending mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 Should be a poll. Why? None of us have seen forren play so have no evidence to form a proper opinion. And MP is not likely to choose the team based on a poll on here. Thank god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 Why? None of us have seen forren play so have no evidence to form a proper opinion. And MP is not likely to choose the team based on a poll on here. Thank god. Easier than trawling through all the opinions to see what the general consensus is, it's not meant to determine the ****ing thing you nut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 Why? None of us have seen forren play so have no evidence to form a proper opinion. And MP is not likely to choose the team based on a poll on here. Thank god. Thats not true - some have seen him play, why else would they have picked him above Yoshi and Jos? See posts above....... Forren / Fonte is the prefered pairing. P.s not sure the poll suggestion was going to be given to MP to make a decision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 Forren and Fonte... Centre backs cost us yesterday I agree with their first goal but wasn't it Shaw keeping Maloney onside for the second? Anyone know when Fonte is back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 I agree with their first goal but wasn't it Shaw keeping Maloney onside for the second? Anyone know when Fonte is back? For the second goal Scharner beat Hooiveld in the air. If we win that crucial header then the ball is going away from goal rather than towards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 For the second goal Scharner beat Hooiveld in the air. If we win that crucial header then the ball is going away from goal rather than towards. Scharner won pretty much every header he went for. Would Foren or Fonte have made any difference to that? Possibly, but there's no guarentee. Shaw's positioning was poor on that corner, he was in no-mans-land, not on the post or pushing out with the rest of the defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 Scharner won pretty much every header he went for. Would Foren or Fonte have made any difference to that? Possibly, but there's no guarentee. Shaw's positioning was poor on that corner, he was in no-mans-land, not on the post or pushing out with the rest of the defence. Who knows but in a crucial moment your biggest CB should win those. Failure to do so led to the goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 People moaned about protection given to Gazzaniga, but Hooiveld has got away with murder in this forum when compared to other players. Scharner may have won all the headers, but the only reason he won that one was because Hooiveld forgot about him (as he has done with EVERY single player he was meant to be marking this season), was too late coming back and made an attempt to reach the ball that would embarrass any Wessex League defender. You also can't expect Shaw to leave his coverage of the post before the ball has been headed in whichever direction. Unfortunately for us it was headed goal-wards and Maloney was there... However, the fact that in hundreds of corners that we've had since Jos has been introduced back to the side he's only posed an attempted threat in 1 or 2 shows how his aerial game is reduced to nothing in the Prem. He can't even impose himself on less bulky strikers like he kind of did with Carroll and unless that player forgets that he is dribbling the ball a la Jelavic then we better wish that Boruc really is the holy goalie. Yoshida and Fonte in particular very often create good chances from our set pieces and had been almost faultless when applying initial pressure on strikers. I was surprised that unlike when Fonte or Yoshida were to blame for a goal people where were quick to determine they were both not up for the Premier League, that lack of pressure on Scharner that cost us points against a relegation rival wasn't even mentioned by most people. I also don't see how people have determined that Hooiveld's performances are improving, he is making the same mistakes and showing the same problems, except we've got a much better keeper in now which has saved us from conceding a few goals in the last games that were flying in when Kelvin was in the side. Most chances actually come from Hooiveld's bad positioning/marking (see yesterday's top save in the 1st half). Another thing that strikes me is that generally both Yoshida and Fonte seem to have most of their worse performances when Hooiveld's pairing with them, rather than when they play together. Coincidence? No. Hooiveld is a tortoise, lacks coordination and he is literally the human version of a tree in terms of positioning. If you ever have a chance to look back at any of our games, you will see that whenever our back four don't look like a clear, organised line when we're being attacked, it's mostly because Hooiveld's coming back at a yard/decade. His defending style of simply following the ball rather than players is an atomic bomb for any tactics and does not fit with the modern, top-flight football where it's all about covering for player movements and positions. Truth is we should've signed a fit CB on loan until the end of the season to cover for Fonte's injury and let Hooiveld go. He is very, very out of his depth and not matter how unquestionable his professionalism and effort (he does come across as a good professional and person) if we asked any team in the PL if they would take him no one would, not even in an emergency loan. Even Adkins proved this: when all the other members of the back 4 were fully fit, he only gave him a mere 2 minutes against Reading at full-back. In fact look at most people's comments about him: it's never a general "he was good", despite the love-in it's never been more than a "didn't do much wrong". You cannot start a match in the PL for "not doing much wrong". He should not have made it past the January transfer window and is extremely unreliable for a full 90 minutes in this league. I enjoyed Fonte/Yoshida as they were very active in the team's passing game, hopefully Forren can do this too and we can rely on the 3. Injuries will happen so I'd expect them to get a lot of game time rather than just one. Don't understand how some people consider Hooiveld an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
student Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 For me its Yoshida and Fonte. Forren can earn his way into the team because those two looked very solid before Fonte got injured. Just need to figure out the partnership and stick with it though, consistency will be the key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 Is Stephens quick? Not bad but not Johno quick... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 but Hooiveld has got away with murder in this forum when compared to other players. has he? Unless I'm mistaken you and pretty much everyone else on this forum has slated Jos right left and centre on here. I think I've been almost the only fan that has suggested he would do a job for us when called upon. Surprise, surprise he did exactly that yesterday. He had a great game no matter what you say about Schnarner winning a header against him. Unlike Yoshida, Jos got tight all day long and didn't give Di Santa and easy ride. He also looked very composed on the ball, which is where he has fallen short since coming back into the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 Hooiveld looked a lot better yesterday than he did at the start of the season. Don't forget it took Yoshi and Fonte a fair few games together to iron out most of their faults, longer than Jos has had in the side recently. Wouldn't blame Jos for the second goal. Yes he got beaten to the head but he did enough putting pressure on Scharner so that the header lacked power and was off target. We SHOULD have dealt with the second ball but didn't. We should have either played Maloney offside or had someone on the post to boot the ball into the car park if it came back in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 Forren and Yos, or Fonte. Forren had been bought to be in the first team, as we only buy to improve on what we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 Yoshida and forren long term. When all fit it will be Fonte and forren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 Yoshida and forren long term. When all fit it will be Fonte and forren. Both are left footed player, and from what I have seen of Yoshida, and read about Forren,both more likely to excell playing alongside a bigger,bruiser of a CB - young version of Jaidi is what was needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 Both are left footed player, and from what I have seen of Yoshida, and read about Forren,both more likely to excell playing alongside a bigger,bruiser of a CB - young version of Jaidi is what was needed. Yoshida is naturally Right footed. He's comfortable kicking with both feet (as should every professional footballer) I'd go with Yoshida and Forren. Hooiveld isn't anywhere near good enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 Pochettino's tactical demands should decide who will be his first choice in defense. Rather obvious yes, but perhaps more relevant than if we played a more traditional style. Will Hooiveld thrive with a high defensive line with little margin for error? Can Yoshida's anticipation make up for his tendency to dive into tackles a bit too early? Is Forren hand picked for our new playing style? Will Fonte keep adapting and improving? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 Fonte and Yoshida, Forren to earn his place in the team (although depending on Fotne he'll get this chance soon anyway). Hooiveld very much number 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 I would guess it would go in this order: Forren Yoshida Fonte Hooiveld Stephens Although I've never seen Forren play, but can't imagine he was brought in as backup. Would expect to see Forren in the side once he's up to speed. He must be incredibly unfit to not even get on the bench yet..! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 I would guess it would go in this order: Forren Yoshida Fonte Hooiveld Stephens Although I've never seen Forren play, but can't imagine he was brought in as backup. Would expect to see Forren in the side once he's up to speed. He must be incredibly unfit to not even get on the bench yet..! He's carrying a knock isn't he? Either way he'd have been brought in to improve the team, as we've been told we'll only sign better than we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 He's carrying a knock isn't he? Either way he'd have been brought in to improve the team, as we've been told we'll only sign better than we have. he's not match fit. Hasn't played a competitive game since 6th december. Have to wonder why he isn't playing for the U21's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 Always think that Hooiveld has an error in him, saying that he can pop up the other end and score... I would go with Yoshida and Forren and then Fonte to come fight for his place in the team. Wrong, but Vegard Forren does... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 Wrong, but Vegard Forren does... mind=blown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 4 February, 2013 Share Posted 4 February, 2013 (edited) Always think that Hooiveld has an error in him, saying that he can pop up the other end and score... I would go with Yoshida and Forren and then Fonte to come fight for his place in the team. Early season Fonte was absolute kass......was single-handedly responsible for both goals Wigan scored at SMS, but then he turned the corner and was considerably better before he was injured... Jos had a nightmare start and two OG's on the score sheet didn't look good, but he wasn't the main cause of our terrible start, either....but he looks much better of late. Some people were very critical of Yoshida in earlier games, but he seems to have come good, ( though he appeared to be at fault for first Wigan goal, when he went early to try and met the incoming corner -or was he pushed by Caldwell ?) ...AND who do we blame for their second goal?. By all accounts, Forren isn't " Saints fit " yet ....the Norwegian season finished in November....and no-one (except perhaps MP) can judge how ready he is before he's played a single game. I'll be glad to get everyone back 100% fit and have some choices at the back. Edited 4 February, 2013 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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