TijuanaTim Posted 2 February, 2013 Share Posted 2 February, 2013 Especially full backs, is to stand inside the posts at corner kicks....nevermind any fancy new strategies or game plans we may have picked up lately, if MP had simply applied that most basic of all ideas then it was Wigan 0:2 Southampton. Am I right or am I right? Fully expert every footballer and not just airchair trolls will concur....hey and if you didn't play the game then I get, it's like us critiquing basket weaving.... Cannot not keep failing through the most basic flaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 2 February, 2013 Share Posted 2 February, 2013 Especially full backs, is to stand inside the posts at corner kicks....nevermind any fancy new strategies or game plans we may have picked up lately, if MP had simply applied that most basic of all ideas then it was Wigan 0:2 Southampton. Am I right or am I right? Fully expert every footballer and not just airchair trolls will concur....hey and if you didn't play the game then I get, it's like us critiquing basket weaving.... Cannot not keep failing through the most basic flaws. Not parting like the red sea leaving CBs unmarked would also help, but yes, FBs on the posts should be a standard IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 2 February, 2013 Share Posted 2 February, 2013 Especially full backs, is to stand inside the posts at corner kicks....nevermind any fancy new strategies or game plans we may have picked up lately, if MP had simply applied that most basic of all ideas then it was Wigan 0:2 Southampton. Am I right or am I right? Fully expert every footballer and not just airchair trolls will concur....hey and if you didn't play the game then I get, it's like us critiquing basket weaving.... Cannot not keep failing through the most basic flaws. How many times have we conceded goals in this way so far this season? You talk as if it is a regular occurrence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 2 February, 2013 Share Posted 2 February, 2013 End of the day Yoshida was poor for the first and if Jos wins the header for the second then no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 2 February, 2013 Share Posted 2 February, 2013 How many times have we conceded goals in this way so far this season? You talk as if it is a regular occurrence. this ^ Their 2nd was actually from Shaw being on the post and playing Maloney onside so you could argue against it. For the first goal the header was pretty good so lets give their player credit for that. I thought it was more Yosh's fault for getting underneath the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 2 February, 2013 Share Posted 2 February, 2013 Well on this level it´s often goalies decision if you have players on the post or not. Whatever that makes the goalie comfortable and it´s not like it has been THAT many this year. I think it was far worse last year without having the correct stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 2 February, 2013 Share Posted 2 February, 2013 You say this, but then having someone on the post with the corner at the end cost us, as shaw fell asleep and did not get out. He was fantastic the rest of the game. Argument for and against the man on the post for both goals conceded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 2 February, 2013 Share Posted 2 February, 2013 You say this, but then having someone on the post with the corner at the end cost us, as shaw fell asleep and did not get out. He was fantastic the rest of the game. Argument for and against the man on the post for both goals conceded. Pundits on MotD blaming us having a full back on the line as the reason we lost the game - didn't get out quick enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted 2 February, 2013 Share Posted 2 February, 2013 Pundits on MotD blaming us having a full back on the line as the reason we lost the game - didn't get out quick enough. But they haven't played the game like TT.. oh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 2 February, 2013 Share Posted 2 February, 2013 Yep the argument, for and against having the man on the line. Around the other way and the first would have been cleared off the line, and the second offside! That's football! We learnt from the first half goal, only for it to work against us with their late second! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrZuess1979 the 2nd Posted 2 February, 2013 Share Posted 2 February, 2013 What is it tonight make up "the first thing your taught as a (insert here) is to (insert here)" load of BS, he make a mistake he`s a young lad, try not to make out he`s totally forgotten the basics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 2 February, 2013 Share Posted 2 February, 2013 Oh and believe me there were many basic mistakes in the first half than that, but we looked completely different in the second half. Should have had 7 points from the last 3 games, and we have 2! We need to pick up points not the praise for great play. Ask the relegated Forest team from the 90's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 2 February, 2013 Share Posted 2 February, 2013 What is it tonight make up "the first thing your taught as a (insert here) is to (insert here)" load of BS, he make a mistake he`s a young lad, try not to make out he`s totally forgotten the basics I have to point out I am not blaming anyone, but that is just our luck at the moment, but that has to change. Look at reading they cannot continue the rub of the green they are having, but they are still behind us. Shaw is fantastic, and would fit into any premier league first team, but he is a Saint.... How lucky are we Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 2 February, 2013 Share Posted 2 February, 2013 Having taught a lot of kids I can pretty much say that it really isn't one of the first thing that is taught to them. If however I am wrong, then it explains why footballers in this country are technically **** poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 2 February, 2013 Share Posted 2 February, 2013 Having taught a lot of kids I can pretty much say that it really isn't one of the first thing that is taught to them. If however I am wrong, then it explains why footballers in this country are technically **** poor. I always remember the head over the ball to keep it down, and lean back to lift it. Another was never play the ball across your own box! Always stay goal side of the attacker. We failed to do all these in the first half.....but so did Wigan in the second! Funny old game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 3 February, 2013 Author Share Posted 3 February, 2013 Doesn't matter what anyone says...two players inside the post = two-nil. End of....it wasn't Shaw keeping Maloney onside, he was not inside the post, that was the problem. If Maloney is onside and does not score - then who cares? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 Doesn't matter what anyone says...two players inside the post = two-nil. End of....it wasn't Shaw keeping Maloney onside, he was not inside the post, that was the problem. If Maloney is onside and does not score - then who cares? and if we kept the lead in all the games that we have dropped points we would be third ffs! Football is so simples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 Doesn't matter what anyone says...two players inside the post = two-nil. End of....it wasn't Shaw keeping Maloney onside, he was not inside the post, that was the problem. If Maloney is onside and does not score - then who cares? Way too simplistic. A player on the post for the second goal would not necessarily have stopped that going in for a start. On MOTD they even highlighted the goal as an argument for "not" having a player on each post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 Doesn't matter what anyone says...two players inside the post = two-nil. End of....it wasn't Shaw keeping Maloney onside, he was not inside the post, that was the problem. If Maloney is onside and does not score - then who cares? Two on the posts leaves fewer to mark the attackers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vince Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 Doesn't matter what anyone says...two players inside the post = two-nil. End of....it wasn't Shaw keeping Maloney onside, he was not inside the post, that was the problem. If Maloney is onside and does not score - then who cares? Looked to me like Shaw and JRod had been told to defend corners with Shaw on the near post, JRod on the corner of the 6 yard box. For the first Wigan goal, they are set up like that, but a Wigan player makes a run to go short - Shaw runs out to prevent a two on one with that runner and the corner taker, which is why the space is opened up for the header to go in at the post Shaw left. Bit unfortunate for us, but Shaw had to go once the runner went. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintedwill Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 Marking each post generally leaves an attacker spare for a free header IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 End of the day Yoshida was poor for the first and if Jos wins the header for the second then no problem. Been a big fan of Yoshida, but definitely not his best game today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 Doesn't matter what anyone says...two players inside the post = two-nil. End of....it wasn't Shaw keeping Maloney onside, he was not inside the post, that was the problem. If Maloney is onside and does not score - then who cares? We use zonal marking (with Lambert sometimes man marking a danger man). This generally means no full backs on the posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 We use zonal marking (with Lambert sometimes man marking a danger man). This generally means no full backs on the posts. Not sure we did as Yoshy was definitely man marking Caldwell for the first... Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 this ^ Their 2nd was actually from Shaw being on the post and playing Maloney onside so you could argue against it. For the first goal the header was pretty good so lets give their player credit for that. I thought it was more Yosh's fault for getting underneath the ball. Under the ball? He let his man run 5 yards away felm him into space and didn't challenge the header. It had eff all to do with people on posts and everything to do with not marking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 We use zonal marking (with Lambert sometimes man marking a danger man). This generally means no full backs on the posts. We definitely man marked for the corner after conceding the goal as I made of point of checking who was meant to be picking up Caldwell. It was Yoshida alright, and we haven't zone marked since Pochettino took over as far as I'm aware. Adkins was doing it at the start of the season because our game of statues at the end of the Man U game at home for van Persie's equaliser showed what happens to systems when the players are fatigued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 Also, as far as post marking goes, teams who do zonal tend to only mark the far post with the near post clear anyway, as the need to move towards the side the ball is coming from means the nearside flick on zone of the 6 yard box and near post are covered by the same player, who doesn't step onto the line unless they have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 Under the ball? He let his man run 5 yards away felm him into space and didn't challenge the header. It had eff all to do with people on posts and everything to do with not marking. http://www.footytube.com/video/wigan-athletic-southampton-feb02-156504?ref=lchan_vidgrid Good angle on this vid. Caldwell hardly moved. Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 More worrying is our habit of conceding goals in the last 5 minutes of each half when leading (dont know how many but it seems like a hell of a lot)! It seems we just retreat and invite pressure every time we get close to the whistle! Most other teams recognise that you need to continue a high line and press (as we so successfully did for much of the game) all the way to the whistle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 Not sure we did as Yoshy was definitely man marking Caldwell for the first... Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2 Yes you're right he did (attempt to) man mark as I myself pointed out on the match thread soon after the match, so I'm not being consistent. No excuses but I'd had a good night out when I posted the zonal comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 We definitely man marked for the corner after conceding the goal as I made of point of checking who was meant to be picking up Caldwell. It was Yoshida alright, and we haven't zone marked since Pochettino took over as far as I'm aware. Adkins was doing it at the start of the season because our game of statues at the end of the Man U game at home for van Persie's equaliser showed what happens to systems when the players are fatigued. Yes you are right Yoshida did attempt to man mark, and got under the flight of the ball. I don't know about the switch to man marking. For various reasons I haven't seen any of Pochettino's matches live. I'll look out for it on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 More worrying is our habit of conceding goals in the last 5 minutes of each half when leading (dont know how many but it seems like a hell of a lot)! It seems we just retreat and invite pressure every time we get close to the whistle! Most other teams recognise that you need to continue a high line and press (as we so successfully did for much of the game) all the way to the whistle! Yes, I noticed that we had all dropped back far too deep in the last few minutes. I thought it had been fixed but apparently not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 Yes you are right Yoshida did attempt to man mark, and got under the flight of the ball. That's what I thought at the time. He was going with him and then decided he could get to the ball first but misjudged the flight. Whether as a forward or as a defender I've always tried to attack the ball in the box. It was a superb header though, and we were unlucky to concede. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 this ^ Their 2nd was actually from Shaw being on the post and playing Maloney onside so you could argue against it. For the first goal the header was pretty good so lets give their player credit for that. I thought it was more Yosh's fault for getting underneath the ball. The problem was he was in no man's land - didn't stay on the post to cover or come out far enough for the offside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leithsaint Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 Fustrating, as for the first 40 minutes of the second half Saints looked so good, Wigan were really on the back foot we gave them nothing.......then for the last 5 minutes, once it was 2-1, Saints seemed to loose that intensity and there was a horrible feeling of inevitability about the equaliser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 3 February, 2013 Share Posted 3 February, 2013 The problem was he was in no man's land - didn't stay on the post to cover or come out far enough for the offside. This. MOTD also highlighted this, seemed to change his mind, and neither played offside or marked in the post. Either would have been better. Still he is only 17 and had a great game otherwise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 14 February, 2013 Author Share Posted 14 February, 2013 Kinda interesting to see RVP attacking and very successfully clearing the ball from the inside of the far post .v. Real Madrid today at corner kicks (just as a quick heads up, Rafael successfully covered the inside of the front post at the afore-mentioned corners), whilst Welbeck's headed flick from a United corner sailed in, uncontested at the unguarded far post from Rooney's corner. Each to their own I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 14 February, 2013 Share Posted 14 February, 2013 Kinda interesting to see RVP attacking and very successfully clearing the ball from the inside of the far post .v. Real Madrid today at corner kicks (just as a quick heads up, Rafael successfully covered the inside of the front post at the afore-mentioned corners), whilst Welbeck's headed flick from a United corner sailed in, uncontested at the unguarded far post from Rooney's corner. Each to their own I guess. lol...first time its happened in 11 days with all the football that's been played. Its the same as the zonal marking at corner arguement.....most of the time it works and is unnoticeable, then one time they score from a corner and start to slag off zonal marking as a failure. A lot of it is luck. I personally prefer players on the line and would be arguing till red in the face if it kept happening. But its happened once for Saints this season?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 14 February, 2013 Share Posted 14 February, 2013 Gery Neville was arguing the other day that this was no longer a good strategy in the modern game. Playing an attacker on side is one aspect. Leaving a player unmarked in the box is another and getting in the goalies way is another. Also, if you are on the line and you swing your foot back to clear you are in fact moving behind the line. Goal line tchnology will catch you out in due course. It needs to be considered in the context that goalies rarely come off their line nowadays so you sohludnot need to cover for them to the same extent. Tim, they got rid of laces in the ball a while back too ;~) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 14 February, 2013 Share Posted 14 February, 2013 Especially full backs, is to stand inside the posts at corner kicks....nevermind any fancy new strategies or game plans we may have picked up lately, if MP had simply applied that most basic of all ideas then it was Wigan 0:2 Southampton. Am I right or am I right? Fully expert every footballer and not just airchair trolls will concur....hey and if you didn't play the game then I get, it's like us critiquing basket weaving.... Cannot not keep failing through the most basic flaws. Shaw standing between the posts led to the goal.....WOOSH!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 14 February, 2013 Share Posted 14 February, 2013 If you win the headers then the man on the line is a non-argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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