Cortese and Le Tissier arrange meeting

[pap]

Thanks Pap,

 

Sorry mate its not true, I just made it up for Lols.

 

Don't worry Tokes; it lives on in my alternate reality Saints universe, the one where NA abuses Brian Laws ( Watford fans made that up! ) and Pinnacle have £450 million quid to put into the club. Apart from the obvious comedic gems, we're better off in this timeline.

[Lallana's Left Peg]

Erm do you not suspect that that is because he could harm his court case?

 

It could well be.

 

Don't know what is stopping Le Tissier just dishing all the dirt now, he can't keep on leaving clues.

[Smirking_Saint]

St marco stfu. Le tiss was the greatest player by miles, even channon said so.

 

[Frank's cousin]

Can't wait for NC to say sod it - I am not good enough in their eyes and recommend Leibheer's sale up and get out - Lets hope we get one of those people like Notts Forest have or Coventry or our Plucky friends down the road ,or decent people with cash like Blackburn - yeah that will show em won't it Matt - bring in the mummy's boy and his few quid - Get old lawrie in for a few more beers and chat about the old days - have a half time giggle with some local comic - I just can't wait ....

 

Would probably be a leveraged buy out thus loading us up ith 60-70mil of debt in one foul swoop....

 

Hopefully, NC is more the type that will simply brush it off - say 'I tried' and feck him, let him say what he likes and carry on with the job in hand. I appreciate there are plent who will not like the way he works, operates and and some of the things he does - there are things I find uncomfortable, but I can only judge by the progress we see - and for me, forget the promotions, but the fact we have invested in the infrastructure and thus the future is the most important thing to date.

[Smirking_Saint]

MLT and LMc were regularly in the Echo closely following takeover, rarely with much good to say. I think its fair to assume that neither party has much respect for each other.

 

I wouldnt worry, Aintforever rarely posts anything with any substance and generally just turns up for some unsubstantiated bashing

[Frank's cousin]

It could well be.

 

Don't know what is stopping Le Tissier just dishing all the dirt now, he can't keep on leaving clues.

 

Its the giggly school girl, 'aint it a laugh' sheidt he did on Soccer am that get me - its just not the behavious of someone with a credible and rational reason for taking action... I am propbably wrong, nothing surprizes me these days in what folk will litigate over... and if he has been badly treated and deseves redress, I hope he get it, but joking about it in public is not something I can respect.

[The Kraken]

I wouldnt worry, Aintforever rarely posts anything with any substance and generally just turns up for some unsubstantiated bashing

 

Yeah I know. The whole Cortese/MLT/LM spat is wholly unnecessary, and while I would choose to side with the former player and manager in most cases it would be naive to say that they haven't each played their own parts in the ongoing debacle (MLT much more than Lawrie, tbf).

[pap]

I like the way people post that Jeff Stelling rant as a positive thing

[Frank's cousin]

Sorry Matt, you've made a right c*nt out of yourself.

 

Well you phrase it a little better than me... but during all this the most ridiculous has been the infantile way in which he has used the media to 'joke' about it all - FFS getting Stelling, Merson and the other ex pros who either drank or gambled away or failed to invest their cash wisely and thus need to turn out on Soc Sat every other week to laugh at a guy who whether you like him or not, earns shed loads and was the most trusted confident and friend of Markus, a highly successful billionnnaire, is unbelievable (Jeff) - it undermines any credibilty oin MLTs issues, even if he has a genuine grievence...

[The Kraken]

Well you phrase it a little better than me... but during all this the most ridiculous has been the infantile way in which he has used the media to 'joke' about it all - FFS getting Stelling' date=' Merson and the other ex pros who either drank or gambled away or [b']failed to invest their cash wisely and thus need to turn out on Soc Sat every other week[/b] to laugh at a guy who whether you like him or not, earns shed loads and was the most trusted confident and friend of Markus, a highly successful billionnnaire, is unbelievable (Jeff) - it undermines any credibilty oin MLTs issues, even if he has a genuine grievence...

 

Soccer Saturday pays far, far more than MLT ever earned at Saints. Probably pretty much all of the other ex pros on there too, except for Merson. It also seems like a complete laugh of a way to earn megabucks; I'd be more inclined to ask why an ex pro wouldn't want to do it.

[pap]

Well you phrase it a little better than me... but during all this the most ridiculous has been the infantile way in which he has used the media to 'joke' about it all - FFS getting Stelling' date=' Merson and the other ex pros who either drank or gambled away or failed to invest their cash wisely and thus need to turn out on Soc Sat every other week to laugh at a guy who whether you like him or not, earns shed loads and was the most trusted confident and friend of Markus, a highly successful billionnnaire, is unbelievable (Jeff) - it undermines any credibilty oin MLTs issues, even if he has a genuine grievence...[/quote']

 

But if Jeff shouts LOUDLY and PASSIONATELY while a FORMER LEGEND sits on EMBARRASSEDLY, working on NUGGETS OF TRUTH, and is STRAIGHT TALKING but undoubtedly PARTISAN, he has a point, surely?*

 

* Sorry I had to do that. That's really how I remember the Stelling rant. I'm just glad he never took off on Dictionary Corner like that when he was on Countdown.

[Smirking_Saint]

Yeah I know. The whole Cortese/MLT/LM spat is wholly unnecessary, and while I would choose to side with the former player and manager in most cases it would be naive to say that they haven't each played their own parts in the ongoing debacle (MLT much more than Lawrie, tbf).

 

Exactly, I do still have a soft spot for Lawrie, he has one or two rants, and yeah we all know NC can be difficult to fet on with but all in all he keeps himself to himself.

 

I dont agree with the current policy that ex players are not needed, after all they can, if used correctly, bring in money and the corporates to St Marys, though I dont necessarily agree with the free meal ticket, nor did I agree with MLT getting tickets for no marks whilst other genuine fans potentially couldnt go.

 

I cant help but think MLT has stuck his foot in his mouth here though, you still get the gob****es like I mentioned before and the likes of Roger who cant see the wood for the trees and blindly blame NC, you get the dinlos that are friendly with the Macs and Le Tissiers swallowing their crap etc but all in all Le Tiss has made himself to look a plum, perhaps Nik did call his bluff, but hell, Le Tiss walked straight into it, all he had to do is keep his mouth shut.

 

But then, TBH, this whole debarcle isnt worth the media and forum attention its actually getting.

[RonManager]

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[Frank's cousin]

But if Jeff shouts LOUDLY and PASSIONATELY while a FORMER LEGEND sits on EMBARRASSEDLY, working on NUGGETS OF TRUTH, and is STRAIGHT TALKING but undoubtedly PARTISAN, he has a point, surely?*

 

* Sorry I had to do that. That's really how I remember the Stelling rant. I'm just glad he never took off on Dictionary Corner like that when he was on Countdown.

 

The saddest thing is that if Matt has different ideas about the club, he was in a position to have influence on the inside if only he could keep things to himself. Getting back inside- sorting out the stuff with NC (Or better still doing so from the off) he could be a force for change. Whatevre else NC is, he is not stupid. He knows the the influence Matt has with hfans who idolise him, and having Matt on teh inside, perhaps in a fan liaison role could have been a very positive thing... guess at saints we are still a small club in the sense that there aint room for more than one ego... Sorry Matt but I can only assume you dont WANT to sort this out...

[Norm]

Just read the Echo article , I know its the echo article , but you are still one of my all time favourites, but you should not be blabbing to the press, keep your own counsel not inflame the situation before the meeting.

Yes franny is a true legend but if there is a difference between the two on a not footballing matter , then let due process take place.

 

Matty You have not help by speaking to the echo, after all they have their own negative agenda against the club. long before NC arrived.

Act professionally in this matter and not as a barrack room lawyer.

 

I'm pretty sure that Matt did not speak to the Echo direct. He made comments at a Q&A meeting where the Echo reporter was present. Not sure if anyone will see any difference in that point.

[Frank's cousin]

Matt Le Tissier ‏@mattletiss7

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I suspect this may well be too late....FFS Matt, go see NC, dont tell us about it, dont tell anyone, just give him a call and go see him. You can do good things - you might not agree on everything, but what you do agree on is that you want teh club to be the best it can be and REAL men look at what they have in commonand work on those things. Where they disagree, they respect the differences but focus on what they can achieve together - Make it happen and you would have so much respect and support.

[Norm]

it's very clever from Cortese though. Agree to the meeting a few days before MLT's Q&A where he knows he'd be asked probing questions on the subject. Cortese then gets to cancel the meeting blaming Matt, MLT looks like the bad guy and Cortese can say he was happy to sort out their issues but MLT messed it up, regardless of if he had any intention of doing so or not. THe fans blame MLT and NC is internet peoples friend again. A masterstroke in PR from Cortese and very clever.

 

A very good summing up of the situation, Turkish! It is as I predicted on Monday night. I wrote under the thread on FF's book that the meeting would not take place. Matt made comments during his Q&A that were bound to get back to Cortese and that was the end of any meeting! I'm just glad that I did not repeat the comments in my post.

[pap]

I'm pretty sure that Matt did not speak to the Echo direct. He made comments at a Q&A meeting where the Echo reporter was present. Not sure if anyone will see any difference in that point.

 

Really doesn't matter. This wasn't a meeting between friends. He made his remarks in public. Crazy under the circumstances.

[Viking Warrior]

Norm

 

I take your point. but what was repoerted by that garbage paper was more than questions and answers session. However Matt answered the questions , he knew what he was doing, stoking the fires knowing fulll well the reporter would print his comments.

Sorry Matt you have been a tad foolish. you should have waited until the meeting and then you could have told the world how it went.

As Mr mannering would say stupid Boy.

I have soken to Matt on many occassions, but I do not know him personnally. He still is one of my all time favorite

[Hockey_saint]

ARRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH This is doing my nut in!!!

 

 

On the one hand I think "Le Tissier is my childhood hero and saved it countless times and whoever disrespects him has no part of the club"

 

BUT then I think "Le Tiss, for goodness sake!!! stop blabbering on Twitter and to the press, it does you no favours, it did you no favours for England and it'll certainly do you no favours with Cortese!!"

 

I mean, the statement the club brought out made it quite clear, the Benali case is a legal matter (although redecorating a rented house is a bit silly) and Le Tissier has no place mentioning it, however indirectly.

 

ALSO, Our club is over 125 years old, it's been around a lot longer than le Tiss, McMenemy or Cortese...and, for example, it was Ted Bates, a lifelong saint, and THE Mr Southampton who took this club from nowhere to the top flight and Europe NOT Lawrie, it was Lawrie who was given soooo sooo much faith by the old man and relegated us the next year....Also, who's the world cup winner and highest capped player again? oh yes, our newly appointed president.

 

What I'm saying is and I think most will agree, is that our club is bigger than this, it's older than this and the legends that came before MLT, Benali and Lawrie don't generally ask to be on the payroll.

[Greenridge]

Really doesn't matter. This wasn't a meeting between friends. He made his remarks in public. Crazy under the circumstances.

 

Exactly. If you comment in the public domain you surely realise it will go further. Even MLT, belatedly, seems to realise this.

[Avenue Saint]

Matt, please stfu.

 

Sad sad day...

[alpine_saint]

Even if NCs agreement to the talks was a calculated act with MLTs Q&A coming up, MLT didnt have to fall into it so easily.

 

Personally, I dont think the talks agreement was such a calculated act, and I think MLT has let the Sky celebrity pundit status go to his head and hes acting like a big-mouthed bell-end.

 

Its a tragic situation, but MLT has ruined a chance to bury the hatchet. NC has behaved exactly as I would expect a Swiss banker to act over this (it wasnt an unexepected out-of-character response for anybody but a moron), and to be fair, I sympathise with him not wanting this turned into a media circus. Even the statement confirming the cancellation was reasonably dignified.

 

If MLT wants a role or friendly association with the club, he has to shut his mouth and grow up a bit.

[alpine_saint]

I hate Twitter and Facebook. It turns perfectly intelligent respectable people into embarassing,twisted, obsessed fish-wives.

[Webby]

According to the statement, Matt is considered as nothing more than a fan now. Let's hope he can support the club now. It'd be nice if he started this Saturday on sky by refusing to comment on this, and, in fact, asking jeff respectfully, to not comment on it either.

[Webby]

Matt Le Tissier ‏@mattletiss7

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Even this is a typical sarky comment from Matt. This is a serious issue, he needs to grow up a bit. I'm surprised he hasn't said 'NC, you smell' yet.

[Suomi Saint]

MLT has lost the battle and the War, therefore he should keep quiet now. You have to hand it to Cortese - he isn't daft. What MLT fails to realise is that he is an EX player, and what is important to the fans NOW is for Saints to retain PL status. Personally, I was very upset with NC for sacking NA, but you cannot hold a grudge forever. It is divisive, and does no one any favours. Matt should reflect rather mouth off. He has no more right to be treated like a God than any lifelong Saints fan. We pay for the privilege, we don't get paid.

[Mowgli]

MLT has lost the battle and the War, therefore he should keep quiet now. You have to hand it to Cortese - he isn't daft. What MLT fails to realise is that he is an EX player, and what is important to the fans NOW is for Saints to retain PL status. Personally, I was very upset with NC for sacking NA, but you cannot hold a grudge forever. It is divisive, and does no one any favours. Matt should reflect rather mouth off. He has no more right to be treated like a God than any lifelong Saints fan. We pay for the privilege, we don't get paid.

 

But he is, in fact Le God, whereas we are meagre mortal... ;~) That aside - agree with everything you say

[Cascadia Saint]

I hate Twitter and Facebook. It turns perfectly intelligent respectable people into embarassing,twisted, obsessed fish-wives.

 

You are one thousand percent correct there, mate.

[Sour Mash]

MLT has lost the battle and the War, therefore he should keep quiet now. You have to hand it to Cortese - he isn't daft. What MLT fails to realise is that he is an EX player, and what is important to the fans NOW is for Saints to retain PL status. Personally, I was very upset with NC for sacking NA, but you cannot hold a grudge forever. It is divisive, and does no one any favours. Matt should reflect rather mouth off. He has no more right to be treated like a God than any lifelong Saints fan. We pay for the privilege, we don't get paid.

He has every right to voice his opnion. Might not always be right, but it's laughable when so called fans say he should just "shut up".

[pap]

He has every right to voice his opnion. Might not always be right, but it's laughable when so called fans say he should just "shut up".

 

The fans are only saying what his common sense should have told him long ago.

[Saint Charlie]

Would imagine McMenemy will be being lined up for another Talksport appearance as we speak....

[Sour Mash]

Even this is a typical sarky comment from Matt. This is a serious issue, he needs to grow up a bit. I'm surprised he hasn't said 'NC, you smell' yet.

How can you even find fault in that comment?

[Sour Mash]

The fans are only saying what his common sense should have told him long ago.

It's not the advice I have a problem with as such (I'm not a fan of putting anything on social media, twitter, facebook etc), more the way some so called fans refer to our greatest ever player. Each to their own though.

[Weston Saint]

I have always believed a man with a chip on his shoulder damages no one but himself. Le Tissier should now let matters rest, keep his public comments to Southampton Football Club, not the Chairman.

 

As someone famously said "Remember, a chip on the shoulder is a sure sign of wood higher up"

 

I also agree with Apline Saints comment below

Even if NCs agreement to the talks was a calculated act with MLTs Q&A coming up, MLT didnt have to fall into it so easily.

 

Personally, I dont think the talks agreement was such a calculated act, and I think MLT has let the Sky celebrity pundit status go to his head and hes acting like a big-mouthed bell-end.

 

Its a tragic situation, but MLT has ruined a chance to bury the hatchet. NC has behaved exactly as I would expect a Swiss banker to act over this (it wasnt an unexepected out-of-character response for anybody but a moron), and to be fair, I sympathise with him not wanting this turned into a media circus. Even the statement confirming the cancellation was reasonably dignified.

 

If MLT wants a role or friendly association with the club, he has to shut his mouth and grow up a bit.

[Saint Charlie]

It's not the advice I have a problem with as such (I'm not a fan of putting anything on social media, twitter, facebook etc), more the way some so called fans refer to our greatest ever player. Each to their own though.

 

The fact he has handled this episode badly doesnt detract from him being our greatest ever player. Nor does it give him special dispensation to act in this way.

 

This began as a private matter between NC and MLT.

 

MLT brought it into the open to use his popularity with SFC fans against NC.

 

Now those fans are getting tired of a personal dispute which has approximately 0% to do with the performance of Southampton Football Club.

[Sour Mash]

The fact he has handled this episode badly doesnt detract from him being our greatest ever player. Nor does it give him special dispensation to act in this way.

 

This began as a private matter between NC and MLT.

 

MLT brought it into the open to use his popularity with SFC fans against NC.

 

Now those fans are getting tired of a personal dispute which has approximately 0% to do with the performance of Southampton Football Club.

Well just ignore it if you're so tired of it. Not difficult.

[Saint Charlie]

Well just ignore it if you're so tired of it. Not difficult.

 

It is quite hard to ignore because its constantly in the media, being discussed etc. You know full well it will be mentioned on Sky Soccer Sat in front of a big audience of football fans and that what they are told will be very one sided.

[Sour Mash]

It is quite hard to ignore because its constantly in the media, being discussed etc. You know full well it will be mentioned on Sky Soccer Sat in front of a big audience of football fans and that what they are told will be very one sided.

It's not constantly in the media though.

[Frank's cousin]

It's not the advice I have a problem with as such (I'm not a fan of putting anything on social media, twitter, facebook etc), more the way some so called fans refer to our greatest ever player. Each to their own though.

 

Think you need to recognize that fans can admire, love and respect MLT for everything he has done for the club, but not be so sycophantic that cant see when he has dropped a bollo ck - and many simply believe that in this case he has - That does not detract from his iconic status over all, just makes him look a prat over this one matter - no different from all of us, we hope people ultimately judge us on our best, not our worst.

 

In some respects its no different to the way some fans are judging NC - good and bad. Overall NC has delievered so far, but as you and others are happy to do (and righty so) he gets stick for his mistakes - thats all fans are doing in this case.

[farawaysaint]

We should make "team Tiss" and "team Cortese" t-shirts in commemoration of this momentous balls-up. I feel bad for Frannie especially, banned from the club for his legal dispute when he was one of our most loyal sons.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

It's not constantly in the media though.

 

In your opinion, is MLT beyond reproach?

[alpine_saint]

In your opinion, is MLT beyond reproach?

 

Sounds like it...

 

I will be eternally grateful to MLT for keeping us at the top level of the game and scoring some jaw-dropping goals over the years, but his behaviour has been questionable since his retirement. The support of Pinnacle, the bet-fixing issue, the feud with NC; I wonder if he is somehow bored or unfocused out of the game ?

[Sour Mash]

In your opinion, is MLT beyond reproach?

No.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Sounds like it...

 

I will be eternally grateful to MLT for keeping us at the top level of the game and scoring some jaw-dropping goals over the years, but his behaviour has been questionable since his retirement. The support of Pinnacle, the bet-fixing issue, the feud with NC; I wonder if he is somehow bored or unfocused out of the game ?

 

 

On Monday night he held up his hands and said he was wrong over both Pinnacle and the bet fixing, the Pinnacle involvement was done purely out of desperation to find a buyer and then support it while he admits to niaivity re the kicking the ball into touch.

[Dig Dig]

On Monday night he held up his hands and said he was wrong over both Pinnacle and the bet fixing, the Pinnacle involvement was done purely out of desperation to find a buyer and then support it while he admits to niaivity re the kicking the ball into touch.

 

Is it fair to say Duncan that your attempts to fan the flames between MLT and NC on Monday night have now ruined any chance of reconciliation between MLT and NC? Not many on here would raise this with you but IMO you are very culpable in this escalting situation. I hope all the 3 quids and the extra book sales where worth it.

[hypochondriac]

Is it fair to say Duncan that your attempts to fan the flames between MLT and NC on Monday night have now ruined any chance of reconciliation between MLT and NC? Not many on here would raise this with you but IMO you are very culpable in this escalting situation. I hope all the 3 quids and the extra book sales where worth it.

 

Wow.

[Sour Mash]

Wow.

Don't rise to the WUM.

[Dig Dig]

Wow.

 

 

I know, I am as astounded as you are.

[Saint Charlie]

The days of meal tickets being handed out like confetti at SFC are over. What is clear is that there are agendas throughout the SFC fanbase, and many have had their nose put out of joint since the takeover.

 

For a 'regime' that acheived back to back promotions and significantly improved the infrastucture of the club they do seem to offend a fair few fans.

 

IMO some of these fans would only be happy if they were positioned in the corridors of power at SMS, or at least maintained their line into it.