Saint Charlie Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 Hard to argue against Cortese being the best Chairman we have ever had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 A word to the wise, Matt; we all love you in Southampton and nothing can ever take anything away from what you did for the Saints but as a football pundit, it would be better if you moved on. Like any other fan, you are entitled to your opinions, as are we all, but the problem for you is that your profile will always mean that anything you say in a public space will get more publicity than it should and can even damage your reputation. Might be best just to settle down, enjoy Saints' results if they go the right way and watch to see if the new regime can achieve things equal to or better than the Lawrie Mac era and beyond the performances in your time, when so often the team relied too heavily on you. I agree with you Prof. There are several media outlets/fans that will hang on every negative word MLT uses concerning NC. The Echo is a prime example and judging by the readers comments to their story today, it appears most would prefer MLT to just let go of this public argument and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 A word to the wise, Matt; we all love you in Southampton and nothing can ever take anything away from what you did for the Saints but as a football pundit, it would be better if you moved on. Like any other fan, you are entitled to your opinions, as are we all, but the problem for you is that your profile will always mean that anything you say in a public space will get more publicity than it should and can even damage your reputation. Might be best just to settle down, enjoy Saints' results if they go the right way and watch to see if the new regime can achieve things equal to or better than the Lawrie Mac era and beyond the performances in your time, when so often the team relied too heavily on you. excellent post Professor. You seemed to have covered all the points perfectly. Pity MLT puts himself in the limelight so much....first it was Pinnacle who made a mug of him, now it's Sky Sports... Please Matt, for everyone's sake.... back off and leave it whilst you have some credibility left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 A word to the wise, Matt; we all love you in Southampton and nothing can ever take anything away from what you did for the Saints but as a football pundit, it would be better if you moved on. Like any other fan, you are entitled to your opinions, as are we all, but the problem for you is that your profile will always mean that anything you say in a public space will get more publicity than it should and can even damage your reputation. Might be best just to settle down, enjoy Saints' results if they go the right way and watch to see if the new regime can achieve things equal to or better than the Lawrie Mac era and beyond the performances in your time, when so often the team relied too heavily on you. A sensible and wise post............Hypo will go in to meltdown when he reads that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 Anyone who was at the club for over 50 years deserves a statute and deserves to be remembered. that part I agree with ..EVERYONE who has served the club for 50 years deserves a statue...(like Ted Bates did) .....so .....who'd the next name in line then ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARCELONASAINT Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 I had the pleasure of growing up watching some of Saints greats and then watching the one player i will always remember as the most naturally gifted player i have ever seen. I also had the pleasure of playing several times against Matt. On every occassion he has been nothing short of a great down to earth man with no airs or graces........so it is with great sadness that i say i wish he would just stop his pointless and stupid bickering on Sky Sports....does he think he is harming NC?.....no one outside Southampton gives a toss and i bet the majority in Southampton give a toss either. All he doing is making himself look extremely stupid and harming the image people had about him. In years to come i want to remember the player i idolised, not a an ex pro making a fool of himself for the benefit of Sky! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 Hard to argue against Cortese being the best Chairman we have ever had. Possibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 Ted. When was he Chairman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 When was he Chairman? I read it again and changed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 Possibly. Yet you want him out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 that part I agree with ..EVERYONE who has served the club for 50 years deserves a statue...(like Ted Bates did) .....so .....who'd the next name in line then ? Me 53 years of support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 Yet you want him out There is two sides to him. On balance for me the unpleasantness that he brings outweighs the good. He has changed areas of the club for the better but other areas of the club are much worse. It's a mixed bag imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 This whole thing is just so f*cking pointless. Matt Le Tiss is one of the most well liked and respected people in the game. A huge Saints fans and one of it's greatest players ever. Only a chairman with the social skills of Fred West would let this situation occur. I am glad the Liebheers own the club but the day Cortese walks out (wont be long IMO), will be a good day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 Anyone who was at the club for over 50 years deserves a statute. You'd never get that through parliament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 There is two sides to him. On balance for me the unpleasantness that he brings outweighs the good. He has changed areas of the club for the better but other areas of the club are much worse. It's a mixed bag imo. The "unpleasantness" would be more of a minor concern in most peoples book in comparison to having a successful team to support which is trying to be the best it can be. Also, the unpleasantness hasn't stopped the enjoyment of the the overwhelming majority of fans over the last 3 seasons. Go and complain to Blackburn or Forest fans about "unpleasantness" and watch them laugh in your face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 I had the pleasure of growing up watching some of Saints greats and then watching the one player i will always remember as the most naturally gifted player i have ever seen. I also had the pleasure of playing several times against Matt. On every occassion he has been nothing short of a great down to earth man with no airs or graces........so it is with great sadness that i say i wish he would just stop his pointless and stupid bickering on Sky Sports....does he think he is harming NC?.....no one outside Southampton gives a toss and i bet the majority in Southampton give a toss either. All he doing is making himself look extremely stupid and harming the image people had about him. In years to come i want to remember the player i idolised, not a an ex pro making a fool of himself for the benefit of Sky! Whatever the rights and wrongs of this case I can assure you MLT is not doing this for "the benefit of Sky". There are a helluva load of wild assumptions being made on this thread and that is one of the wildest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonroader07 Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 Why does Cortese need to meet MLT, I have to say that I watched SFC all through the Tiss era and he was a top player for the Saints, that is over and we all must move on BUT respect what Tiss did (key word DID) for the Saints. NC is the future, I dont think he has ever done anything bad for the Saints, I think there is more to the Pardew and NA story BUT he does seem to put the club first and we need to support him before we support an ex player (ledgend) IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 Whatever the rights and wrongs of this case I can assure you MLT is not doing this for "the benefit of Sky". There are a helluva load of wild assumptions being made on this thread and that is one of the wildest. It makes for a good sideshow in a book promo though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 The "unpleasantness" would be more of a minor concern in most peoples book in comparison to having a successful team to support which is trying to be the best it can be. Also, the unpleasantness hasn't stopped the enjoyment of the the overwhelming majority of fans over the last 3 seasons. Go and complain to Blackburn or Forest fans about "unpleasantness" and watch them laugh in your face. You asked me for my opinion. IMO this 'project' has the potential to go the way of Blackburn (who were in this league last year lest we forget) and Forest very quickly. Should we get relegated this year for instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 You asked me for my opinion. IMO this 'project' has the potential to go the way of Blackburn (who were in this league last year lest we forget) and Forest very quickly. Should we get relegated this year for instance. I know it's your opinion but doesn't mean I have to agree and I don't. Blackburn have been on a downward spiral the second they were taken over and the decisions of their owners have been disatrous, one after other. As much as you'd like there to be, there is clearly no comparison to be drawn at all between Cortese's unpleasantness and what as happened there. From a football perspective, NC has done little wrong to date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 I know it's your opinion but doesn't mean I have to agree and I don't. Blackburn have been on a downward spiral the second they were taken over and the decisions of their owners have been disatrous, one after other. As much as you'd like there to be, there is clearly no comparison to be drawn at all between Cortese's unpleasantness and what as happened there. From a football perspective, NC has done little wrong to date. I think we are all happy with the football side of things, doesn't mean we have to like the unpleasantness which has nothing at all to do with success on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 With the money invested since the takeover and the enthuiasm of the Fanbase I would have expected similar success on the pitch overseen by any CEO What I have not expected is to hear so many tales about unbelievable bad behavior by the CEO upsetting Local Tradesmen Hard Working St Mary's Employees Local Press and Businesses and other Football Clubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 I think we are all happy with the football side of things, doesn't mean we have to like the unpleasantness which has nothing at all to do with success on the pitch. Success on the pitch is what it's all about. We pay our money to watch us win as many games as possible and guess what, we've won a lot of games with NC as chairman. All the other stuff is important for some to arbitrary for many others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARCELONASAINT Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 my implication is that there is only one winner here.....Sky tv who are getting a running soap opera!......no where did i say Matt was deliberately doing this for Skys benefit....but any fool can see Sky are the only winners here and Matt willingly or not is making a fool of himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 With the money invested since the takeover and the enthuiasm of the Fanbase I would have expected similar success on the pitch overseen by any CEO What I have not expected is to hear so many tales about unbelievable bad behavior by the CEO upsetting Local Tradesmen Hard Working St Mary's Employees Local Press and Businesses and other Football Clubs The classic "anyone could have done it" fob off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 The classic "anyone could have done it" fob off You don't have to be a genius to get a club backed by billionaires into the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 The classic "anyone could have done it" fob off So what did he do which was truly outstanding that got us to the PL that anyone else with all the financial resources of a large club with a good infrastructure and fanbase could not have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 The classic "anyone could have done it" fob off To put it another way.... Aside from sourcing the investment in the first place, which parts of Cortese's role here have set him apart from other chairmen? What things has he done that have been a proper "wow, that was a really great business idea that not a lot of people would have thought of". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 MLT has clearly got some issues with Cortese and could certainly have handled things better. HOwever, none of us (well most of us) dont know what his issues are and perhaps if we did we would have a different view. Cortese does not handle things particularly well. Will we ever really know why he sacked Pardew? Probably not from his lips. His treatment of Adkins was appalling. He is now acting like a child in his handling of the MLT business. Giving him a meeting in a months time (is he really THAT busy?) and in London at that was clearly designed to put Matt in his place and show that NC is the Alpha male. Now by pulling the plug on the meeting he is just making things even worse. He could have come out and said that he wasn't happy about Matt's utterings but was still happy to meet him and try and resolve their differences. To suggest that Frannie B does not have the club to heart is ridiculous. Is Frannie sueing SFC or Cortese? My understanding is that his issue is with Cortese not the club. This episode has just taken a huge lurch backwards and it is sad to see so many people having a pop at Matt when he clearly feels that he has issues that Cortese should answer. There have been many downs in our history - one of the biggest was when Markus passed away and left this unpleasant character loose on our beloved club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 Yep, just chucking money at the problem always works. Never mind, QPR. Or even Leicester last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 Success on the pitch is what it's all about. We pay our money to watch us win as many games as possible and guess what, we've won a lot of games with NC as chairman. All the other stuff is important for some to arbitrary for many others. I think that is what it boils down to and is why we will never agree on issues like MLT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 Yep, just chucking money at the problem always works. Never mind, QPR. Or even Leicester last season. You mean like QPR who got promoted then survived last year (and may do so this year) and Leicester currently sat in a promotion spot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 You mean like QPR who got promoted then survived last year (and may do so this year) and Leicester currently sat in a promotion spot? Relative to Wigan, reading, villa, Swansea, Norwich, how does QPR's spending look? Can you read? LAST SEASON, ie when they were throwing around £5m at Matt Mills etc and had Sven in charge, I can't imagine he comes cheap. How did that go for them? Remind me will you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stud mark of doom Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 To put it another way.... Aside from sourcing the investment in the first place, which parts of Cortese's role here have set him apart from other chairmen? What things has he done that have been a proper "wow, that was a really great business idea that not a lot of people would have thought of". How about his most important role - appointing the manager and setting the clubs strategy, both of which he has been top drawer at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 Its all quite simple really before the Leibherrs took over the club obviously we were really in the schitt. But MLT, Lawrie, Benali and Mike Osman (dont hear much from him these days do you?) were making a small fortune from the Saints. Cortese comes in and says why are we paying this mob so much for doing so little ? Result loads of "legends" with big chips on their shoulders. I find it astounding that during some of the best years this club has had in recent history these guys are trying to undermine our club. I am convinced most of them would prefer for us to be bobbing around in League One with themselves running the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 You don't have to be a genius to get a club backed by billionaires into the Premier League. It goes badly wrong if you appoint the wrong manager (or sack the right one). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 How about his most important role - appointing the manager and setting the clubs strategy, both of which he has been top drawer at. Adkins was a great appointment, wether this new guy is any good remains to be seen. No one is saying Cortese is doing a bad job, just that by far the main reason for our success so far is Leibherr's money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 MLT has clearly got some issues with Cortese and could certainly have handled things better. HOwever, none of us (well most of us) dont know what his issues are and perhaps if we did we would have a different view. Cortese does not handle things particularly well. Will we ever really know why he sacked Pardew? Probably not from his lips. His treatment of Adkins was appalling. He is now acting like a child in his handling of the MLT business. Giving him a meeting in a months time (is he really THAT busy?) and in London at that was clearly designed to put Matt in his place and show that NC is the Alpha male. Now by pulling the plug on the meeting he is just making things even worse. He could have come out and said that he wasn't happy about Matt's utterings but was still happy to meet him and try and resolve their differences. To suggest that Frannie B does not have the club to heart is ridiculous. Is Frannie sueing SFC or Cortese? My understanding is that his issue is with Cortese not the club. This episode has just taken a huge lurch backwards and it is sad to see so many people having a pop at Matt when he clearly feels that he has issues that Cortese should answer. There have been many downs in our history - one of the biggest was when Markus passed away and left this unpleasant character loose on our beloved club. Why is he unpleasant ? I will bet hes a tough bastard to work for but all the best bosses are like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 Relative to Wigan, reading, villa, Swansea, Norwich, how does QPR's spending look? Can you read? LAST SEASON, ie when they were throwing around £5m at Matt Mills etc and had Sven in charge, I can't imagine he comes cheap. How did that go for them? Remind me will you? Bringing a load of new players in takes time to gel. I not we didn't get close to promotion in league one in our first season. Is what Leicester spent last year not relevant to this year then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 If the fallout with Benali really is over bathroom flooring, that is hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 If the fallout with Benali really is over bathroom flooring, that is hilarious. God I hope so..... Please make sky sports news! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 If the fallout with Benali really is over bathroom flooring, that is hilarious. Probably less funny for Benali at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 Probably less funny for Benali at the time. Why? Because he ended up with a less p!ssy smelling bathroom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 I'm surprised that the "lost ambassadorial fees" comment is receiving so little attention on here. Could it be that Matt and Lawrie have also suffered lost ambassadorial fees (they are more deserving of that kind of role than Benali ever was), and therefore have more than a passing interest in how Benali fares in his court case? Enough of an interest to fan the flames? It doesn't seem that long ago (it was when the club was in dire straits) that people on here were railing against Lawrie for what he was supposedly taking out of the club. There's much more to this than meets the eye, and I suspect that the obscured parts are more in Cortese's favour than the visible parts. My point excatly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 Its all quite simple really before the Leibherrs took over the club obviously we were really in the schitt. But MLT, Lawrie, Benali and Mike Osman (dont hear much from him these days do you?) were making a small fortune from the Saints. Cortese comes in and says why are we paying this mob so much for doing so little ? Result loads of "legends" with big chips on their shoulders. I find it astounding that during some of the best years this club has had in recent history these guys are trying to undermine our club. I am convinced most of them would prefer for us to be bobbing around in League One with themselves running the club. I would venture that a small fortune is somewhat of a bed wetting exaggeration (plus of course Lawrie's contract had been terminated way before the Liebherr takeover). The fees earned were in much the same mould as you would find on the corporate circuit of any pro club. Go corporate up and down the country and ex pros (even Stupot from Grange Hill at Highbury FFS!!!) are always found earning a wage doing meeting, greeting and entertaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 When did Jordan go on Dragon's Den? quite funny for you ya misserable ****er! Her idea was selling blow jobs for a quid in shopping centres up and down the country. The dragons were in and out, up and down but in the end they all pulled out. Jordan was left with egg on her face but liked the publicity anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wightman35 Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 Its all quite simple really before the Leibherrs took over the club obviously we were really in the schitt. But MLT, Lawrie, Benali and Mike Osman (dont hear much from him these days do you?) were making a small fortune from the Saints. Cortese comes in and says why are we paying this mob so much for doing so little ? Result loads of "legends" with big chips on their shoulders. I find it astounding that during some of the best years this club has had in recent history these guys are trying to undermine our club. I am convinced most of them would prefer for us to be bobbing around in League One with themselves running the club. You could be absolutely right! A period of silence from MLT would be welcome as far as I am concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 Its all quite simple really before the Leibherrs took over the club obviously we were really in the schitt. But MLT, Lawrie, Benali and Mike Osman (dont hear much from him these days do you?) were making a small fortune from the Saints. Cortese comes in and says why are we paying this mob so much for doing so little ? Result loads of "legends" with big chips on their shoulders. I find it astounding that during some of the best years this club has had in recent history these guys are trying to undermine our club. I am convinced most of them would prefer for us to be bobbing around in League One with themselves running the club. How are they trying to undermine the club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 Yep, just chucking money at the problem always works. Never mind, QPR. Or even Leicester last season. You're right, really hasn't worked for Chelsea or Man City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 (edited) Plus I found the bit about asking whether Benali has the Clubs interests at heart if he is suing the club a bit weird. Not because I thought it was a Benali V Cortese issue, but instead the insinuation that even if you think the club have @%*ed you over, then you should just take it on the chin and let your love of the Club override natural justice. Now wasn't this something we were having a pop at Pprtdmuff for when we were asking them to honour their debts and not suggest that their suppliers should be pressured in to writing off their debts. I took back a dodgy Saints track suit I bought for my nephew recently, I presume I haven't got the Club's interests at heart if I'm asking for a refund! Edited 6 February, 2013 by um pahars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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