Cortese and Le Tissier arrange meeting

[St Marco]

Yes both parties aren't exactly acting like grown ups here but I cant believe some of the negative comments on here against MLT, it beggars belief

 

Years from now no one will remember Cortese, he will hopefully be a very small footnote in our clubs history.

 

But MLT has given us some of our greatest ever moments and memories as Saints fans and for what he did for the club should always deserve our respect.

 

The thing about time is people forget.

 

For example my 12 year old nephew is a die hard Saints fan and goes with his dad to the games with us at home.

You ask him who scored our fa cup goal and he won't have a clue. Ask him who is our all time greatest scorer and he won't have a clue.

Each of these people had huge importance on our history but as each new generation comes around they are pushed further and further away.

To our generation Matty is a god on the pitch. But to the generation below who never saw him play he is just another guy.

When I was a young kid everyone talked about how amazing Channon was. My dad will tell you he was better then MLT or at least more important.

Now it is Rickie Lambert.

Time moves on and legends of one era are forgotten by the next.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Yes. Goes by the name of Boris on there.

 

Right, never mind.

 

I'm clearly just confused.

 

Ta anyway.

[London Saint]

If you all value success over a club's soul and history then you are welcome to him

[KelvinsRightGlove]

The thing about time is people forget.

 

For example my 12 year old nephew is a die hard Saints fan and goes with his dad to the games with us at home.

You ask him who scored our fa cup goal and he won't have a clue. Ask him who is our all time greatest scorer and he won't have a clue.

Each of these people had huge importance on our history but as each new generation comes around they are pushed further and further away.

To our generation Matty is a god on the pitch. But to the generation below who never saw him play he is just another guy.

When I was a young kid everyone talked about how amazing Channon was. My dad will tell you he was better then MLT or at least more important.

Now it is Rickie Lambert.

Time moves on and legends of one era are forgotten by the next.

 

Wait to be told what an outrage this is.

[Thedelldays]

If you all value success over a club's soul and history then you are welcome to him

what are you on about...

soul..did you go when rupert was here...? did you moan about the soul being taken away in cardiff in 2006...or wembley in 2010 or argyle in 2011...?

did you moan about soul when we broke our transfer record twice...or when we beat pompey 3-0 and went 4th in the table..

 

i very very much doubt it...

[St Marco]

Does the word "currently" not exist in your universe?

 

Find me the court case then as they are all in the public domain.

 

"Currently" can mean a lot of things i.e Currently in the process of doing so.

[Sour Mash]

Find me the court case then as they are all in the public domain.

 

"Currently" can mean a lot of things i.e Currently in the process of doing so.

It is the club saying this directly. I'm not making it up.

[Thedelldays]

The thing about time is people forget.

 

For example my 12 year old nephew is a die hard Saints fan and goes with his dad to the games with us at home.

You ask him who scored our fa cup goal and he won't have a clue. Ask him who is our all time greatest scorer and he won't have a clue.

Each of these people had huge importance on our history but as each new generation comes around they are pushed further and further away.

To our generation Matty is a god on the pitch. But to the generation below who never saw him play he is just another guy.

When I was a young kid everyone talked about how amazing Channon was. My dad will tell you he was better then MLT or at least more important.

Now it is Rickie Lambert.

Time moves on and legends of one era are forgotten by the next.

 

found quotes like this...

 

I myself would be ****ed of if i arranged a meeting and the other person was *****ing publicly about me. Tiss needs to drop it, i never saw him play, i appreciate what he did, but i dont have the same affection for him as others here. So all i see is someone who wont shut up

[Sour Mash]

The thing about time is people forget.

 

For example my 12 year old nephew is a die hard Saints fan and goes with his dad to the games with us at home.

You ask him who scored our fa cup goal and he won't have a clue. Ask him who is our all time greatest scorer and he won't have a clue.

Each of these people had huge importance on our history but as each new generation comes around they are pushed further and further away.

To our generation Matty is a god on the pitch. But to the generation below who never saw him play he is just another guy.

When I was a young kid everyone talked about how amazing Channon was. My dad will tell you he was better then MLT or at least more important.

Now it is Rickie Lambert.

Time moves on and legends of one era are forgotten by the next.

What a load of utter b*****s. Clubs are based on their heroes from the past, most kids know the past great players of their club, more so now that ever with dvds and videos of past performances.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Does anyone know why it's taken so long for the Benali vs Cortese case to reach court?

 

If its as clear cut a dispute as MLT infers then surely it would have been done and dusted by now?

 

 

waiting for witness statements apparently.

I predict there will be a settlement before it gets to court

[Sour Mash]

The thing about time is people forget.

 

For example my 12 year old nephew is a die hard Saints fan and goes with his dad to the games with us at home.

You ask him who scored our fa cup goal and he won't have a clue. Ask him who is our all time greatest scorer and he won't have a clue.

Each of these people had huge importance on our history but as each new generation comes around they are pushed further and further away.

To our generation Matty is a god on the pitch. But to the generation below who never saw him play he is just another guy.

When I was a young kid everyone talked about how amazing Channon was. My dad will tell you he was better then MLT or at least more important.

Now it is Rickie Lambert.

Time moves on and legends of one era are forgotten by the next.

On that basis we shouldn't have a Ted Bates statue?

[Tomobz]

What is obvious with this is that it is dividing the fan base so much that it really does need to end!

 

P.s. Just had a gander at the ugly inside and that Boris matey is hilarious.

[Minty]

Some of you guys need to take a step back and read some of this, and ask yourself why you feel the need to perpetuate MLT and NC's own disagreement...? It's bad enough that they can't sort it, without the need for fans to end up *****ing at each other about it.

[hypochondriac]

waiting for witness statements apparently.

I predict there will be a settlement before it gets to court

 

But SFC are saying they are going to fight it rigorously. Why release that then settle?

[London Saint]

what are you on about...

soul..did you go when rupert was here...? did you moan about the soul being taken away in cardiff in 2006...or wembley in 2010 or argyle in 2011...?

did you moan about soul when we broke our transfer record twice...or when we beat pompey 3-0 and went 4th in the table..

 

i very very much doubt it...

 

yeah you're right - the fans are the soul of the club and NC has treated them with utter contempt. What a guy.

[Minty]

But SFC are saying they are going to fight it rigorously. Why release that then settle?

Standard stuff really... why weaken your position by indicating that you might settle. Sides will always want to stand firm until such time as it might suit them to settle. Settlements happen all the time... FF is only making a personal prediction, and I'd probably agree with him, even without knowing any details.

[hypochondriac]

The thing about time is people forget.

 

For example my 12 year old nephew is a die hard Saints fan and goes with his dad to the games with us at home.

You ask him who scored our fa cup goal and he won't have a clue. Ask him who is our all time greatest scorer and he won't have a clue.

Each of these people had huge importance on our history but as each new generation comes around they are pushed further and further away.

To our generation Matty is a god on the pitch. But to the generation below who never saw him play he is just another guy.

When I was a young kid everyone talked about how amazing Channon was. My dad will tell you he was better then MLT or at least more important.

Now it is Rickie Lambert.

Time moves on and legends of one era are forgotten by the next.

 

Too right. I mean what the f*ck is that Bobby Charlton still doing hanging around United. Get the old turd out of the club. He's just another guy.

[Thedelldays]

yeah you're right - the fans are the soul of the club and NC has treated them with utter contempt. What a guy.

how has he though...?

[stevegrant]

But SFC are saying they are going to fight it rigorously. Why release that then settle?

They're not likely to say "we're going to claim we're going to rigorously defend it but then settle out of court the day before the case like we did with all of those employment tribunals", are they?

[St Marco]

What a load of utter b*****s. Clubs are based on their heroes from the past, most kids know the past great players of their club, more so now that ever with dvds and videos of past performances.

 

If you believe that then you really are deluded.

 

I bet if I said to you who was Derek Reeves you would only know by looking on the internet. If I said Tommy Traynor. Bert Shelly or Arthur Dominy.

And if you did know I doubt they would mean as much to you as those who saw them play in their era's.

 

As for the statue...what a stupid comment. Anyone who was at the club for over 50 years deserves a statute and deserves to be remembered. But isn't that why they make statues so they will be remembered?

[benjii]

Le Tiss is continuing to damage his legacy. It's a shame if he just thinks he's sticking up for a mate but all he's doing is making himself look like a tool. If Benali has valid financial claims with SFC then the courts or an alternative form of dispute resolution are the appropriate channels. Snide remarks on Twitter, on TV and in the media are not. I actually feel sorry for Franny as this is probably getting him more unwanted attention then he needs.

 

This goes to a wider problem with Twitter, Facebook etc... in fact democracy. Some people shouldn't be given a platform.

 

Matt, shut up. You were a great player who gave those of us lucky to support Saints in the late 80s and 90s some great memories but you are now making yourself look a gimp. Stick to hilarious anecdotes about: being fat; being lazy; trying to run a betting fraud; malibu; ****ing on about golf.

[Sour Mash]

If you believe that then you really are deluded.

 

I bet if I said to you who was Derek Reeves you would only know by looking on the internet. If I said Tommy Traynor. Bert Shelly or Arthur Dominy.

And if you did know I doubt they would mean as much to you as those who saw them play in their era's.

 

As for the statue...what a stupid comment. Anyone who was at the club for over 50 years deserves a statute and deserves to be remembered. But isn't that why they make statues so they will be remembered?

Why make a statue, he's "just another guy"? Actually the more I think that any Saints fan would refer to Le Tissier like that cracks me up.

[Minty]

This goes to a wider problem with Twitter, Facebook etc... in fact democracy. Some people shouldn't be given a platform.

On the contrary, I think it helps us work out who is worth paying attention to or not. I don't necessarily mean Le Tiss specifically. People moan about Facebook, Twitter, 'mongboards' etc... they're just mediums for communication. No one forces anyone else to use them or read them... we're just exposed to more communication and so have more ammunition to judge people on.

[hypochondriac]

They're not likely to say "we're going to claim we're going to rigorously defend it but then settle out of court the day before the case like we did with all of those employment tribunals", are they?

 

Fair point

[JRM]

If you believe that then you really are deluded.

 

I bet if I said to you who was Derek Reeves you would only know by looking on the internet. If I said Tommy Traynor. Bert Shelly or Arthur Dominy.

And if you did know I doubt they would mean as much to you as those who saw them play in their era's.

 

As for the statue...what a stupid comment. Anyone who was at the club for over 50 years deserves a statute and deserves to be remembered. But isn't that why they make statues so they will be remembered?

 

st marco can you help me out please , who are all those people at the top of this page wearing saints shirts ? are they all just other guys ?

[hypochondriac]

Le Tiss is continuing to damage his legacy. It's a shame if he just thinks he's sticking up for a mate but all he's doing is making himself look like a tool. If Benali has valid financial claims with SFC then the courts or an alternative form of dispute resolution are the appropriate channels. Snide remarks on Twitter, on TV and in the media are not. I actually feel sorry for Franny as this is probably getting him more unwanted attention then he needs.

 

This goes to a wider problem with Twitter, Facebook etc... in fact democracy. Some people shouldn't be given a platform.

 

Matt, shut up. You were a great player who gave those of us lucky to support Saints in the late 80s and 90s some great memories but you are now making yourself look a gimp. Stick to hilarious anecdotes about: being fat; being lazy; trying to run a betting fraud; malibu; ****ing on about golf.

 

No he isn't. Only a few weirdos on here think that MLT being justifiably annoyed and talking about it to the likes of the Echo, Sky and on twitter constitutes damaging his legacy. 99.99999% of saints fans either don't care about this issue or simply do not think that slagging off a chairman (an interchangeable bloke in a suit FFS) means he is damaging his legacy.

[St Marco]

Why make a statue, he's "just another guy"? Actually the more I think that any Saints fan would refer to Le Tissier like that cracks me up.

 

As I said then you really don't have a clue how the real world works.

You think football is immune to this thing called time.

I bet you think everyone today knows who Vera Lynn is too right?

 

As for the just another guy remark...sorry but I don't see Ted Bates like that. I was not born when he played, not alive when he managed, not alive when he was assistant manager when we won the cup. I only really knew who he was when he was given his MBE. That made me notice all the things he did before I was born and made me see not only what a great guy he was but what a unique life he has. One that demands respect. I maybe wrong about this so sure Duncan can correct me but it was shortly after his sad passing that a statue was talked about. Why is it we only seem to build statues after people die? If all these people are important to everyone at everytime then why are they not made now? Why don't we have a Mick Channon statue?

 

@ JM

 

In all honesty I don't know who the first two are on the banner. If that makes me less of a fan then so be it.

But I bet if you took that banner to St Mary's and asked people under 20 who the first 6 were the majority would not know.

[Sour Mash]

As I said then you really don't have a clue how the real world works.

You think football is immune to this thing called time.

I bet you think everyone today knows who Vera Lynn is too right?

 

As for the just another guy remark...sorry but I don't see Ted Bates like that. I was not born when he played, not alive when he managed, not alive when he was assistant manager when we won the cup. I only really knew who he was when he was given his MBE. That made me notice all the things he did before I was born and made me see not only what a great guy he was but what a unique life he has. One that demands respect. I maybe wrong about this so sure Duncan can correct me but it was shortly after his sad passing that a statue was talked about. Why is it we only seem to build statues after people die? If all these people are important to everyone at everytime then why are they not made now? Why don't we have a Mick Channon statue?

 

@ JM

 

In all honesty I don't know who the first two are on the banner. If that makes me less of a fan then so be it.

But I bet if you took that banner to St Mary's and asked people under 20 who the first 6 were the majority would not know.

This thread is really not going too well for you is it.

[Depressed of Shirley]

The thing is, I was very lucky to see MLT play for us, and was very lucky to see Markus and NC save the whole club.

 

I am glad that MLT was playing and not running the thing, and equally happy NC is running the club, and not playing.

 

MLT as a player will never be forgotten, but on this issue, I don't blame Cortese at all for not talking to him. The constant digs, without ever actually saying what the reasons are, make MLT look small and petty, and unless he really wants to come out and put in print what the reasons are, he will continue to look bad.

 

All I want is for the club to be as successful as possible. If MLT was saying that NC was running the club into the ground, and the evidence was there to see it, then fine. But it just looks like a squabble between two personalities that has no potential upside for either of them.

[manji]

Too right. I mean what the f*ck is that Bobby Charlton still doing hanging around United. Get the old turd out of the club. He's just another guy.

I doubt Charlton spends every chance to undermine the club.

[hypochondriac]

I doubt Charlton spends every chance to undermine the club.

 

Who does that?

[Bakovnetski]

I am bored with Le Tissier now on this issue....he needs to stop thinking about living his life in the public glare and expect everyone else to.

[hypochondriac]

I am bored with Le Tissier now on this issue....he needs to stop thinking about living his life in the public glare and expect everyone else to.

 

Odd then that you would continue to comment.

[Sour Mash]

I am bored with Le Tissier now on this issue....he needs to stop thinking about living his life in the public glare and expect everyone else to.

He doesn't live his life in the public glare. Weird comment.

[St Marco]

This thread is really not going too well for you is it.

 

Hey your entitled to your opinion mate but based on what we have both said I do not see nor agree with yours. If that means in your eyes that my argument/opinion is not that great then so be it.

 

But it is clear my opinion is everyone should be judged equally and yours is some should not be judged at all.

Mine is that sadly as time goes by people in our generation who we consider important are not as seen as important to the next. They have their own favourites and create new legends. Yours is that everyone has to know everyone who played for the club and think of them all as legends and if you don't know who they are then your disrespectful. Everyone is remembered for all time.

 

Like I said your entitled to your opinion

[Tokyo-Saint]

He doesn't live his life in the public glare. Weird comment.

 

He does more than the average man or even the average retired footballer. Stupid comment.

[brmbrm]

Well its pretty obvious Cortese went to the Genghis Khan College of Management and Personal Skills. Bit of a childish nob.

[Dig Dig]

Hey your entitled to your opinion mate but based on what we have both said I do not see nor agree with yours. If that means in your eyes that my argument/opinion is not that great then so be it.

 

But it is clear my opinion is everyone should be judged equally and yours is some should not be judged at all.

Mine is that sadly as time goes by people in our generation who we consider important are not as seen as important to the next. They have their own favourites and create new legends. Yours is that everyone has to know everyone who played for the club and think of them all as legends and if you don't know who they are then your disrespectful. Everyone is remembered for all time.

 

Like I said your entitled to your opinion

 

 

I think a lot of people will see the point you make, it's quite straight forward and reasonable IMO but Sour Mash is blinkered by his blind love of MLT so you can't really debate properly with him on this. He usually has some good points to make but on this subject, it's simply not possible to say anything other than what a bell NC and what a hero MLT is in order for him to not try and belittle you.

[Tokyo-Saint]

Well its pretty obvious Cortese went to the Genghis Khan College of Management and Personal Skills. Bit of a childish nob.

 

I would agree with this but I would also say Le Tiss went to the Harry Redknapp school of keeping negotiations private. - Both in the wrong.

[Sour Mash]

Hey your entitled to your opinion mate but based on what we have both said I do not see nor agree with yours. If that means in your eyes that my argument/opinion is not that great then so be it.

 

But it is clear my opinion is everyone should be judged equally and yours is some should not be judged at all.

Mine is that sadly as time goes by people in our generation who we consider important are not as seen as important to the next. They have their own favourites and create new legends. Yours is that everyone has to know everyone who played for the club and think of them all as legends and if you don't know who they are then your disrespectful. Everyone is remembered for all time.

 

Like I said your entitled to your opinion

This just made me laugh though "I only really knew who he was when he was given his MBE. That made me notice all the things he did before I was born and made me see not only what a great guy he was but what a unique life he has. One that demands respect.".................followed by "In all honesty I don't know who the first two are on the banner. "

[Sour Mash]

He does more than the average man or even the average retired footballer. Stupid comment.

Were you the one who thought he was like Jordan? Even stupider comment.

[St Marco]

This just made me laugh though "I only really knew who he was when he was given his MBE. That made me notice all the things he did before I was born and made me see not only what a great guy he was but what a unique life he has. One that demands respect.".................followed by "In all honesty I don't know who the first two are on the banner. "

 

Sorry I had not seen many photos of when he was younger. I didn't make it my lifes purpose to hunt down and look at every photo taken of him.....

[Tokyo-Saint]

Were you the one who thought he was like Jordan? Even stupider comment.

 

Read my comment again. You asked what his motivation would be to be in the media spotlight, I replied the same motivation as Jordan and the dragons on dragon's den i.e the media spotlight and the attention.

 

No one said he had big fake tits and had ****ed Peter Andre. Now faceplam yourself for not being able to read properly. Stupid reading.

[CanadaSaint]

I'm surprised that the "lost ambassadorial fees" comment is receiving so little attention on here.

 

Could it be that Matt and Lawrie have also suffered lost ambassadorial fees (they are more deserving of that kind of role than Benali ever was), and therefore have more than a passing interest in how Benali fares in his court case? Enough of an interest to fan the flames?

 

It doesn't seem that long ago (it was when the club was in dire straits) that people on here were railing against Lawrie for what he was supposedly taking out of the club.

 

There's much more to this than meets the eye, and I suspect that the obscured parts are more in Cortese's favour than the visible parts.

[Georgie]

Sorry if already mentioned but a tweet was sent to le tiss to 'whistle blow and say what you know' does anyone know exactly what this is about? Now if the club isn't being run correctly and it's likely we will end up like Pompey in a few years why doesn't le tiss just come out and say what he knows?

[Sour Mash]

Sorry I had not seen many photos of when he was younger. I didn't make it my lifes purpose to hunt down and look at every photo taken of him.....

You've got to see why that was mildly amusing.

[Professor]

A word to the wise, Matt; we all love you in Southampton and nothing can ever take anything away from what you did for the Saints but as a football pundit, it would be better if you moved on. Like any other fan, you are entitled to your opinions, as are we all, but the problem for you is that your profile will always mean that anything you say in a public space will get more publicity than it should and can even damage your reputation. Might be best just to settle down, enjoy Saints' results if they go the right way and watch to see if the new regime can achieve things equal to or better than the Lawrie Mac era and beyond the performances in your time, when so often the team relied too heavily on you.

[Sour Mash]

Read my comment again. You asked what his motivation would be to be in the media spotlight, I replied the same motivation as Jordan and the dragons on dragon's den i.e the media spotlight and the attention.

 

No one said he had big fake tits and had ****ed Peter Andre. Now faceplam yourself for not being able to read properly. Stupid reading.

When did Jordan go on Dragon's Den?

[KelvinsRightGlove]

A word to the wise, Matt; we all love you in Southampton and nothing can ever take anything away from what you did for the Saints but as a football pundit, it would be better if you moved on. Like any other fan, you are entitled to your opinions, as are we all, but the problem for you is that your profile will always mean that anything you say in a public space will get more publicity than it should and can even damage your reputation. Might be best just to settle down, enjoy Saints' results if they go the right way and watch to see if the new regime can achieve things equal to or better than the Lawrie Mac era and beyond the performances in your time, when so often the team relied too heavily on you.

 

This is outrageous.

 

Matt is the messiah and every single word he says is gospel. He has more right than anyone else to say what he wants, furthermore, whatever he says should be actioned IMMEDIATELY.

 

If he has fallen out with Cortese, even though I don't know he has fallen out with him, Cortese must be evil.

 

How can you tarnish a legend like this.

 

Rabble Rabble Rabble.

 

 

 

Sorry, couldn't resist. It's actually a pretty fair point.

[hutch]

Great with his feet, but never was much cop with his head, was he?