hypochondriac Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 The Benali thing is what irks me in all this. Benali is the one suing the club yet he is remaining quiet and getting on with it. I know Matt Le Tiss is sticking up for his friend but would he be so vocal if the Benali stuff wasn't going on? I don't blame Cortese at all for doing this. Erm do you not suspect that that is because he could harm his court case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 I'm firmly in the camp of those that grew up with Matty as their hero (I've got the Junior Saints birthday cards signed by Le God himself to prove it too) and the bloke can do little wrong with me, supported him in my local in Botley late last year in one of his "an evening with..." nights and it was a superb night, great anecdotes and not many references to "politics" etc. However, I'm starting to think the unthinkable, basically Matty's mugged himself right off over this, should have kept it to himself, clearly that was one of the conditions of the meeting and, if anything, it does look a little like he's engineered it to break down in the hope it makes NC look bad. Really bad form from Matty, I'll defend that man to the hilt, he defined by childhood and was a key reason why I fell in love with football, but on this front he looks completely in the wrong and it's all his doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 To be fair, the club statement is fairly clear - if you agree to private "peace talks" you shouldnt then go around and tell people about it, and then compound that with yet more digs... I would suggest MLT doesn't really want to meet NC privately because then he would most likely have to quieten down afterwards. Seems to me that MLT's issues are very personal and have little to nothing to do with how the club is run (which is generally very well). Why is NC so desparate to keep everything private unless he's got something to hide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 The same reason Jordan keeps getting married and those knobheads keep doing dragons den - keep the profile up and stay in the public eye. Plus fame is addictive and attention is flattering. If he was that sort of bloke he'd have joined Tottenham when he had the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 it's very clever from Cortese though. Agree to the meeting a few days before MLT's Q&A where he knows he'd be asked probing questions on the subject. Cortese then gets to cancel the meeting blaming Matt, MLT looks like the bad guy and Cortese can say he was happy to sort out their issues but MLT messed it up, regardless of if he had any intention of doing so or not. THe fans blame MLT and NC is internet peoples friend again. A masterstroke in PR from Cortese and very clever. If Matty agreed the meeting with NC on the basis that it was confidential etc then Matty just needed to straight bat those questions with either no comment, or "things could be improving on that front, I can't say why but hopefully soon you'll hear some positive news at last". Instead he carried on going on about it and, if you are right, played right into NC's hands in a very nieve, actually stupidly obvious way. I have to say it looks the opposite, like he wanted to engineer a break down in the meeting to try and paint NC as the bad guy but it seems to have back fired imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 Why is NC so desparate to keep everything private unless he's got something to hide. I doubt he has anything to hide....if he started tweeting about it all then the focus quickly becomes NOT about the team..when the cub is all about the team.... surely you can see that... also, this is quite clearly a completely non football related grievance matt has...why we all need to know his thoughts about NC (with absolutely no detail) is beyond me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 I see RomseySaint has gone into utter melt down against NC about this on the uglies... You can also have the honours in revealing that the Pope is a catholic if you like... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToreSF Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 It's hard not to though, because MLT is just looking like child in all this. He's not being professional at all and is trying to use his TV personality to menouvre himself into a ''feel sorry for me'' position. I don't know what the fued is all about, but what i do know is that NC has kept quiet, hasn't bickered or gossiped. The club/NC have agreed to have a meeting to clear the air. MLT then blabs, *****es and goes all sarky about it. Yep, clever. I imagine there will be another unnecessary, ill advised rant on Saturday. This Yes for the first time in this stupid dispute my sympathies have swung from MLT to Cortese. Of course I love our greatest ever player infinitely more than that I ever will Cortese, whatever he does with the club, but in this matter MLT has put himself in the wrong. And this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 If he was that sort of bloke he'd have joined Tottenham when he had the chance. he said he would have if the pay was that much greater....he said himself that the pay on offer was not that much more than what he got at saints (including bonuses) anyhow, he stayed and was a legend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 The same reason Jordan keeps getting married and those knobheads keep doing dragons den - keep the profile up and stay in the public eye. Plus fame is addictive and attention is flattering. Yeah Le Tiss is just like the fame hungry Jordan. This forum never fails to make me laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 Yeah Le Tiss is just like the fame hungry Jordan. This forum never fails to make me laugh. then why did he come clean about match fixing...? which was the lead story in the papers as his book was released..? then for people to say it was not possible at the time..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 Why is NC so desparate to keep everything private unless he's got something to hide. Sorry mate but with the best will in the world, you aren't going to get TV cameras/ radio mics etc in that meeting. It seems to have been planned as a private, 1-2-1 meeting to clear the air (old fashioned but the right thing to do imo), after the meeting Matty could have said what he wanted and/ or released a joint statement with the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 this is my favourite from the uglies.... What more can Matt be expected to do? Cortese stared Matt in the eyes, and Matt stared back...and Cortese blinked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 If he was that sort of bloke he'd have joined Tottenham when he had the chance. He did, until his Mrs told him he wasn't doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 I doubt he has anything to hide....if he started tweeting about it all then the focus quickly becomes NOT about the team..when the cub is all about the team.... surely you can see that... also, this is quite clearly a completely non football related grievance matt has...why we all need to know his thoughts about NC (with absolutely no detail) is beyond me... Then why has he insisted on everything being kept private? It won't affect the team in any way will it. You don't 'need to know his thoughts' feel free to not read them if they bother you that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 Think the problem is.. I don't think either of them are even that fussed about sorting it now. Not sure they ever really were.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 On a positive note, I think Frannie deserves a mention here. Huge respect to the guy for being a Gent and not making his argument public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 Then why has he insisted on everything being kept private? It won't affect the team in any way will it. You don't 'need to know his thoughts' feel free to not read them if they bother you that much. yeah, cos chairman always do everything in public you would be one of the first to moan about him blabbing to the press, hogging the spotlight etc....be honest anyway, if it was AGREED that things would be kept private till they had a beer or something...then you cant blame the club if they think Matt is not really interested in sorting this out...as it does not seem that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 anyway, if it was AGREED that things would be kept private till they had a beer or something...then you cant blame the club if they think Matt is not really interested in sorting this out...as it does not seem that way How do we know for sure that it was 'agreed' though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomobz Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 When we were at the depths a few years ago Matt was still there, almost in tears at our plight and desperately trying to save the club (even holding out thin hope that Pinnacle could achieve a takeover bid). If we ever get in trouble again Matt will be there again, as always our greatest servant, doing everything he can to make the club successful. Cortese is purely here to make money, and loads of it. If we get in to trouble he wont give a toss and will jump ship to another money making venture but Matt will still be here. Matt is more important to Saints than Nicola ever will be and people need to start remembering that!! Short memories. If Cortese wants what is best for the club then he should want past heroes involved regardless of whether they moan in the papers or not. This is all an ''I'm the big man now, do what I want or **** off'' attitude and it stinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 How do we know for sure that it was 'agreed' though? then matty would not meet him...he hasnt come out in reply to the statement and said it was a lie...which im sure he would be all to quick to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 On a positive note, I think Frannie deserves a mention here. Huge respect to the guy for being a Gent and not making his argument public. Just a shame his last business venture didnt show the same scruples then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 then matty would not meet him...he hasnt come out in reply to the statement and said it was a lie...which im sure he would be all to quick to do You may be right, but you never know. Dunno why he didn't just keep quiet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 As a player, I can't remember Le Tiss ever missing an open goal. Fair to say he's done so here, IMO, though. No problem saying that a meeting has been agreed, but while he may be correct with the other comments, they were unnecessary and always likely to wind up someone who clearly doesn't receive criticism very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 Frustrating but can't be surprised by the outcome. I do agree that Cortese should be a bit more welcoming to 'legends' of the club, but at the same time Matty shouldnt have been blabbing to the press if it was agreed that they would keep it private. I take from the article that Cortese now sees the matter closed and won't give Matt another chance. Shame really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 You may be right, but you never know. Dunno why he didn't just keep quiet! for the good of the club and the whole situation...rise above it all if you will..all he had to do was keep quiet for a couple of weeks.. he could not last a couple of hours.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 I love Matty, but he has been so immature and petty about this whole situation with Cortese. I have no sympathy for him after messing up this meeting. If he wants to grow up and act like a man instead of running to the press to cry every 5 minutes then i'm sure he has NC's number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 If he was that sort of bloke he'd have joined Tottenham when he had the chance. Under the thumb at the time, said so himself more or less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 Matt's messed up here I think. I'm as opposed to some of Cortese's decisions and practices as much as the next guy, but in the end he is in charge of our football club and we're doing better than we have for a while under him. This is clearly a personal battle, and should be dealt with in private; if Matt wants to make the club look bad by trying to bring press heat, then I'd do what Nicola's done and not give him another chance. Case closed, let's move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomobz Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 The only reason he keeps going on about it is because he cares so much about SFC and the club is such a big part of his life (much like all of us!!) He can't bare not being involved wit it as it means so much to him and being constantly disrespected by the jolly come lately chairman would **** me off too if I had done as much as Matt has for the club in my lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 The only reason he keeps going on about it is because he cares so much about SFC and the club is such a big part of his life (much like all of us!!) He can't bare not being involved wit it as it means so much to him and being constantly disrespected by the jolly come lately chairman would **** me off too if I had done as much as Matt has for the club in my lifetime. You don't need to "be involved" to love the club. Going from potential chairman to fan in the stand would be a bit of a kick in the teeth for anyone but that's not all NC's fault IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomobz Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 You don't need to "be involved" to love the club. Going from potential chairman to fan in the stand would be a bit of a kick in the teeth for anyone but that's not all NC's fault IMO. But he doesn't need to be such a **** about it though does he? If he gave Matt the respect he massively deserves there wouldn't even be a problem and it would never have got this far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 You don't need to "be involved" to love the club. Going from potential chairman to fan in the stand would be a bit of a kick in the teeth for anyone but that's not all NC's fault IMO. Potential chairman my ass. I'd be a potential chairman if the club could be bought with monopoly money or bottle tops. Said at the time that it was just a pipe dream and it would never ever happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 The best he'll ever manage is honorary president, and I doubt very much he'll get that now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 We all know MLT will always be a Saints legend to every Saints fan, nothing will change that, but it doesn't mean we can't recognise that he's been a bit of tit here. Even the biggest Cortese critic would struggle to find fault with Cortese in this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 But he doesn't need to be such a **** about it though does he? If he gave Matt the respect he massively deserves there wouldn't even be a problem and it would never have got this far. And what respect does he deserve? Free and unfettered access to St Mary's a club role etc? You can't realistically expect to get that if you're going to use your media position to leverage some coverage on behalf or your mates re a very personal dispute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 Potential chairman my ass. I'd be a potential chairman if the club could be bought with monopoly money or bottle tops. Said at the time that it was just a pipe dream and it would never ever happen. Yes of course it was never going to happen but MLT clearly thought that it could happen for a period of time and you can imagine that a lot of MLT's mates were anticipating some involvement as well which was quickly quashed by NC. Not hard to see where the grudge comes from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 We all know MLT will always be a Saints legend to every Saints fan, nothing will change that, but it doesn't mean we can't recognise that he's been a bit of tit here. Even the biggest Cortese critic would struggle to find fault with Cortese in this. What about his unnecessary dig at that well known trouble-maker Francis Benali? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 "Both parties had agreed that it would be a private meeting with no publicity surrounding it, yet within 24 hours this matter was put in the public domain and further negative comments attributed to Mr Le Tissier have appeared this morning." Which comments are those by the way? I've missed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomobz Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 And what respect does he deserve? Free and unfettered access to St Mary's a club role etc? You can't realistically expect to get that if you're going to use your media position to leverage some coverage on behalf or your mates re a very personal dispute. When all this started he hadn't said anything in the media. It's pretty general practice to allow ex legends to be part of the club and is also good business sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 What about his unnecessary dig at that well known trouble-maker Francis Benali? its obvious to anyone who opens their eyes that matty is clearly benalis mouth piece while legal proceedings are underway... jesus mate, I know you really really REALLY dont want to have a pop at matty..but you must be blind if you cant see he has screwed this up all on his own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 The thing I find most sad about all this is that increasing numbers of fans feel the need to 'choose' between MLT and Cortese. Very few of us really know either of them so all we have to go on is the public statements and tweets etc, which, today, has clearly led to more people being disappointed in Matt's course of action. Even fewer of us probably have any idea as to why Matt has such a problem with Cortese. If it is a private issue, then it should remain seperate from SFC and be discussed (or not) as they see fit... I don't care about that so much. If it is related to SFC then I would rather it was discussed and resolved for the good of the club, but I have never seen any evidence that this is the case, and it is the doubt and uncertainty that fuels the fans' unease. In the grand scheme of things, it's not that big a deal, and it's getting a bit boring to be honest... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 What annoys me most about this whole thing is the people who will defend Matty and imply you should agree with whatever he says because he scored loads of goals. If you don't then your anti-Southampton and anti-legends. Which is a load of ********. Like anything if something good happens it is deserving of praise and when something bad happens it is deserving of criticism. Nobody should be given a free ride to say what they want and you agree with it simply because of past actions. Each situation should be judge seperatly. In this instance I simply fail to see how anyone can defend Matty. Just in the same way I fail to see how anyone could say the way in which Cortese sacked Adkins was defendable. We at least now know what the issues are finally. Le Tiss is unhappy Benali is not allowed in the club and not happy the club are not as involved with the ex saints group. I don't think any of us knew that Benali was suing the club for ambassador fees. I don't think many of us even knew he was an ambassador! So how can it be people claim he wants what is right for the club but yet happy to support a friend who is suing it? The fact this court case has taken so long to me sounds as it won't even get to court, more a case of threatening to do it. Matty has talked at length about wanting what is right for the club and was given his chance to go meet Cortese and re-build the bridges. I think every single one of us wants that to happen. But imagine if it was Cortese who then went to the press and said the things Matty has said would people sticking up for him have then been the same with Cortese? Of course you wouldn't. Personally I wonder if he did this on purpose as he must of known taking shots in the press again at Cortese was bound to get the meeting cancelled. Which is a shame for the fans. But now it has happened I just hope MLT can finally deal with this thing away from the press. It is a personal feud and has nothing to do with us lot. Should remain private. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 Yes of course it was never going to happen but MLT clearly thought that it could happen for a period of time and you can imagine that a lot of MLT's mates were anticipating some involvement as well which was quickly quashed by NC. Not hard to see where the grudge comes from. Le Tissier has made one attempt at getting involved in running the club - when it was at it's very lowest point and getting desperate for help. Hs's never tried to get involved before or after. He's never made out he was abusiness expert. And he's admitted that the Pinnacle bid probably wasn't the best. So where do you get the idea he has this huge grudge about not being chairman? I think he's more than happy spending his days on the golf course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 Yes of course it was never going to happen but MLT clearly thought that it could happen for a period of time and you can imagine that a lot of MLT's mates were anticipating some involvement as well which was quickly quashed by NC. Not hard to see where the grudge comes from. Indeed I find it very hard to see where the grudge comes from. FF warned MLT (or so he says) at the time that he was making a right **** out of himself. The bid which he associated himself with was just a bunch of shysters with no money behind them and even worse they were Portsmouth fans. So to believe in all that seriously you'd have to be a real idiot, to continue a running battle with the new chairman, who's organisation did have the money, over it you'd have to be an even bigger idiot. MLT was a tidy old player but right now he needs to shut it and assume a low profile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 When all this started he hadn't said anything in the media. It's pretty general practice to allow ex legends to be part of the club and is also good business sense! Some ex legends are part of the club, it's not a blanket policy by NC. This clearly only extends to a particular circle of Ex Saints and there is a reason for that. Whether it's valid or not is another discussion but would you say that every former player with legendary status should have a part in the club, regardless of their behaviour and very public thoughts on the current chairman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 its obvious to anyone who opens their eyes that matty is clearly benalis mouth piece while legal proceedings are underway... jesus mate, I know you really really REALLY dont want to have a pop at matty..but you must be blind if you cant see he has screwed this up all on his own So you think that unprovoked dig at Benali is fine. Fair enough, each to their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 What about his unnecessary dig at that well known trouble-maker Francis Benali? It was Matty that kept bringing Benali into it, neither Frannie or NC had mentioned each other at all before this. The club merely clarified their position on the court case. Personally I hope Frannie wins as from the here say I've heard it sounds like he has a decent case, but that's got nothing to do with it, Matty kept bringing Frannie into it so the club simply said it was a legal matter and won't be commenting further. Come on mate, even you must see Matty's completely ballsed this one up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 Indeed I find it very hard to see where the grudge comes from. FF warned MLT (or so he says) at the time that he was making a right **** out of himself. The bid which he associated himself with was just a bunch of shysters with no money behind them and even worse they were Portsmouth fans. So to believe in all that seriously you'd have to be a real idiot, to continue a running battle with the new chairman, who's organisation did have the money, over it you'd have to be an even bigger idiot. MLT was a tidy old player but right now he needs to shut it and assume a low profile. Who were Portsmouth fans? Why does he need to "assume a low profile"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 6 February, 2013 Share Posted 6 February, 2013 Ah comical and childish. NC is clearly bored of our main media presence being MLT, MLT seems to be incapable of accepting that he isn't first to know everything any more, the fake owner of the club and the messiah. On the one hand it's sad someone who has been such a big part of the club is being left out quite so badly, but on the other if he actually wanted to be in the position of top dog at the club we would have bought it when he had the chance. Everything he's done since is in response to NC turning round every time MLT has shouted "do you know who I AM?!?!" and them being told "yes, but you didn't buy the club and we have no time to run this like a working mens club". I'm still sad MLT is still going on like this, yes everything is not always right from the club (sacking Nigel when we did was a bit tactless when there were plenty of decent opportunities in November) but he is really starting to look very silly now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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