lordswoodsaints Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 I'm not saying it because we didn't do much business,in fact I was saying we should get rid of it before it even opened. I would like to see it gone as its more of a distraction and an inconvenience to clubs and to players at a crucial time in the season IMO. Either get rid of it and come up with a better solution or better still go back to the old way of doing things by keeping it open all season. What do you lot think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 Yes. It was much better the old way when you could sign players when you want up until March. January signings are often poor, it inflates the price of players and their wages and signings during the window are rarely good ones and good value, they are often panic buys from clubs struggling and looking to plug holes in their squads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 It hurts the smaller clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 It creates the circumstances for bad decisions to be made in a very short timeframe. The most prominent of these surely has to be the 2011 January window and the whole Torres/Carroll fiasco. Mind you, given where Liverpool were at the time, I think they were mental to buy Carroll. The sensible thing there would have been to sit on the 50M until the close season - so while the transfer window itself does lead to these scenarios, you still need people in positions of power to really feck a team up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 1 February, 2013 Author Share Posted 1 February, 2013 I think the only ones to gain from it are sky who hype up the signings of average players and redknapps bank account Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 It is the sole reason for the stupid money in football. If there wasn't a transfer window, clubs would rarely pay over the odds for a player. Also how many clubs in the football league have been in admin, and how many did before the transfer window was introduced. It's just crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 I can't see the problem really. Someone on sky blames the window for odemwingies behaviour.... Which was odd The window is open for a month but you can do deals any time and finalise it within a month. It has its downfalls But it stops I guess QPR buying more players for the next few months if anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 I can't see the problem really. Someone on sky blames the window for odemwingies behaviour.... Which was odd The window is open for a month but you can do deals any time and finalise it within a month. It has its downfalls But it stops I guess QPR buying more players for the next few months if anything In other words it will take HR two season to bankrupt them instead of 6 months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloydie Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 I think its funny seeing a club like QPR commit financial suicide and pay silly money while more sensible teams just go about business a bit more sensibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 It will be bad for the game if QPR stay up now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 I'm not saying it because we didn't do much business,in fact I was saying we should get rid of it before it even opened. I would like to see it gone as its more of a distraction and an inconvenience to clubs and to players at a crucial time in the season IMO. Either get rid of it and come up with a better solution or better still go back to the old way of doing things by keeping it open all season. What do you lot think? I like it! It's good drama! I don't give a fvvck if it inconveniences clubs & players! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 It's needed really, it's the only control to stop clubs going around tapping up players and throwing about money all year. Imagine if someone inform for Wigan was suddenly given an £8m offer from City then a massive contract, head's turned, player stops playing as well, Wigan are screwed regardless if they sell him or not. Without the window it should take the pressure to pay over the odds for silly players but then teams should have the ability to plan and scout players properly anyway to ensure they don't get raped during the window. It's not the window that is to blame, its the attitude of clubs that buying more players in the short term gets results, when realistically purchases made over a longer plan get long term success and results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 It was a good opportunity to offload fringe players in the hope they gain some playing time. Never know Forte or Reeves might do what that Reading striker is doing right now? when we get them back in a month's time they will be ready to knock them in for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 It's a sticky plaster over a wound which hasn't stopped bleeding... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2270311/January-transfer-window-doesnt-work--Martin-Samuel.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 I'd get rid of it, but then I'd get rid of transfers full stop from the minute a season start till it ends. It would be a much better test of managerial skill (no mid season sackings for them either) to have to pick a squad at the start of a season and stick with it come what may. It would put a stop to the likes of QPR trying to buy their way out of trouble, and make clubs a lot more careful with who they buy. The summer break should be plenty long enough to sort out your squad for the coming season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didcot Saint Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 I think the only ones to gain from it are sky who hype up the signings of average players and redknapps bank account Spot on Sir! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPTCount Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 It is the sole reason for the stupid money in football. If there wasn't a transfer window, clubs would rarely pay over the odds for a player. Also how many clubs in the football league have been in admin, and how many did before the transfer window was introduced. It's just crap. really? not sponsors, TV money, or sugar daddy chairmen, all down to the transfer window Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel=God-Poyet=Sod Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 I used to be a big fan of it but I don't really think it benefits many people other than those with money to spend at the bottom. Prices are way too high with agents throwing their players' names around all the time. In the end, as seen with Odemwingie, it unsettles players and clubs with unsavoury outcomes. There are a few exceptions though of course. Sky, I think, try to make it into an election night sort of event, with reporters all over the place but actually not a lot is happening other than at QPR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 I would do way with it all together. Clubs should build their squads for the season before kick off of the first game and then they would have to go with what they have from day one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 It is for us lately, either we spend the money or we dont. Transfers used to be done all season round which would stop inflated prices but would harm us as we are a selling club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 Rabble, rabble rabble. It's not like it was back in my day. Zzzzzzzzzzzz. It is for us lately, either we spend the money or we dont. Transfers used to be done all season round which would stop inflated prices but would harm us as we are a selling club. This is nonsense. If Man Utd can't keep hold of Ronaldo, then every single club in the world is a selling club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 Yes indeed but not to the scale we are to the bigger clubs, and Ronaldo was sold for $80Million Euro's, good business. So no its not nonsense its just something you dont like reading, sorry the World is not want you want it to be but it is what it is, if we are offered £10million for Shaw will he stay or go? £15million for Lallana? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 Yes indeed but not to the scale we are to the bigger clubs, and Ronaldo was sold for $80Million Euro's, good business. So no its not nonsense its just something you dont like reading, sorry the World is not want you want it to be but it is what it is, if we are offered £10million for Shaw will he stay or go? £15million for Lallana? There is a difference between being a selling club, and every asset (player) having a price. I don't think we would accept £10m for Shaw, and if Oxo cost £15 when we were a recently promoted L1 club and the lad had only 2/3rd's a season in L1, then I also don't believe we'd sell Lallana for £15m either. Look at Arsenal then. Financially no need to sell, qualified for the Champions League something like 15 consecutive years, yet have still lost Nasri, Van Persie & Cesc. Money talks, everything has it's price. That does not equate to us being a selling club. I know you don't like to hear that, but it's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 There is a difference between being a selling club, and every asset (player) having a price. I don't think we would accept £10m for Shaw, and if Oxo cost £15 when we were a recently promoted L1 club and the lad had only 2/3rd's a season in L1, then I also don't believe we'd sell Lallana for £15m either. Look at Arsenal then. Financially no need to sell, qualified for the Champions League something like 15 consecutive years, yet have still lost Nasri, Van Persie & Cesc. Money talks, everything has it's price. That does not equate to us being a selling club. I know you don't like to hear that, but it's true. Who would dispute Arsenal are a selling club? Who would dispute everyone has their price? Who is disputing money talks? I'm not, clubs have different levels of tolerance thats all to their current set of circumstances, and if you think Shaw and Lallana would rather stay here than play at a larger club on a arger wage you are very naive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 Who would dispute Arsenal are a selling club? Who would dispute everyone has their price? Who is disputing money talks? I'm not, clubs have different levels of tolerance thats all to their current set of circumstances, and if you think Shaw and Lallana would rather stay here than play at a larger club on a arger wage you are very naive. Where did I say Shaw or Lallana wouldn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 Where did I say Shaw or Lallana wouldn't? You didn't I said if you think, this does make us a selling club, we will always be a selling club until the day we are in the top 5 in the land, that will never happen so we wil always be a selling club. What do Arsenal have to do with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 You didn't I said if you think, this does make us a selling club, we will always be a selling club until the day we are in the top 5 in the land, that will never happen so we wil always be a selling club. What do Arsenal have to do with this? They are a top 5 club and not a selling club. By your reasoning every team in the world is a selling club. And you say I'm naive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 Well no it isn't. Those clubs who want or need to buy, sell or loan players do so. Those that don't err don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 1 February, 2013 Author Share Posted 1 February, 2013 I like it! It's good drama! I don't give a fvvck if it inconveniences clubs & players! I'm sure you would if lambert or lallana for example got cherry picked and we ended up struggling until the end of the season then relegated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 They are a top 5 club and not a selling club. By your reasoning every team in the world is a selling club. And you say I'm naive. Every club is yes, every clubs has its price, some clubs by their size have higher ones than others, some have it by false positioning by money, some have it by success of previous years. There is a table a League if you like and we are not near the top, and thats the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 I'm sure you would if lambert or lallana for example got cherry picked and we ended up struggling until the end of the season then relegated Saints no longer sell players that they want to keep haven't you heard. AOC was a special case, there was nothing we could do about it and at least he had the decency to let us get a decent sum for him. I'd like to see someone try and get Lallana or Schneiderlin or Cork from us against Cortese's wishes actually, it would be Tchernobyl all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 Well no it isn't. Those clubs who want or need to buy, sell or loan players do so. Those that don't err don't. Sorry window, you coming in on the blindside like has not only shocked me I also dont have a clue to what you refer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 Saints no longer sell players that they want to keep haven't you heard. AOC was a special case, there was nothing we could do about it and at least he had the decency to let us get a decent sum for him. I'd like to see someone try and get Lallana or Schneiderlin or Cork from us against Cortese's wishes actually, it would be Tchernobyl all over again. Forum gold, lets enshine this belter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 You didn't I said if you think, this does make us a selling club, we will always be a selling club until the day we are in the top 5 in the land, that will never happen so we wil always be a selling club. What do Arsenal have to do with this? Your usual idiotic position, probably just as a wind-up to try and justify your rocketing number of daily posts ever since you arrived on here relatively recently. A bit like your contention that Saints had never been successful. A selling club is one that has to sell their assets periodically in order to keep their heads above water financially. From that perspective, we don't have a need to sell our best players. If we are offered stupid sums of money for a player, then we would be silly not to take it, but again, we don't have too if we don't want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 Your usual idiotic position, probably just as a wind-up to try and justify your rocketing number of daily posts ever since you arrived on here relatively recently. A bit like your contention that Saints had never been successful. A selling club is one that has to sell their assets periodically in order to keep their heads above water financially. From that perspective, we don't have a need to sell our best players. If we are offered stupid sums of money for a player, then we would be silly not to take it, but again, we don't have too if we don't want to. In short you agree with me, cheers Wes, your successful period is also funny as it could be argued if that was say Liverpool/United or Arsenal it would be highly unsuccessful? Agree or disagree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 Saints no longer sell players that they want to keep haven't you heard. AOC was a special case, there was nothing we could do about it and at least he had the decency to let us get a decent sum for him. I'd like to see someone try and get Lallana or Schneiderlin or Cork from us against Cortese's wishes actually, it would be Tchernobyl all over again. I don't think there's anything particularly special bout us but it does seem easier for the also ran Premier League clubs to hang on to their players. Look at Baines and Fellaini. I think it's cos the top four get better value for money buying overseas. Prem clubs are too rich to be tempted by anything less than top dollar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 In short you agree with me, cheers Wes, your successful period is also funny as it could be argued if that was say Liverpool/United or Arsenal it would be highly unsuccessful? Agree or disagree? If you can't see that we hold different positions, then I'm not going to bother trying to spell it out to you in the same way that I would if I were a Primary school teacher, so that you will understand. A selling club is one that has to sell their assets periodically in order to keep their heads above water financially. There is my definition of a selling club. We are not any longer a selling club. As for the other thing, you never did give me an answer to my question. I'll ask it again. If we were to finish a season soon in second position in the Premiership, would that be considered a success? And if so, why did finishing second previously in the top division somehow not constitute a success in your mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 I don't think there's anything particularly special bout us but it does seem easier for the also ran Premier League clubs to hang on to their players. Look at Baines and Fellaini. I think it's cos the top four get better value for money buying overseas. Prem clubs are too rich to be tempted by anything less than top dollar. Dumb bear! Didn't you hear, we are bigger than both Chelsea and Everton now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Frank's cousin Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 I'd get rid of it, but then I'd get rid of transfers full stop from the minute a season start till it ends. It would be a much better test of managerial skill (no mid season sackings for them either) to have to pick a squad at the start of a season and stick with it come what may. It would put a stop to the likes of QPR trying to buy their way out of trouble, and make clubs a lot more careful with who they buy. The summer break should be plenty long enough to sort out your squad for the coming season Exactly this - IMHO all transfer conducted close season only and if a club sack a manager mid term, they can only be replaced from within the existing coaching set up at the club... would ensure richer clubs can not buy their way out of trouble and stops pooer ones risking all in a despearte attempt to avoid it... but this is far too much common sense for football.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 All clubs sell players - even Man Utd selling Ronaldo etc.... As you go UP the food cahin, there are simply less clubs more attactive to players, and the price goes up - thats all, all this selling club, not selling club is BS. But Wes is right in that we no longer need to sell players periodically to balance the books - but given the modern greed in the game fuelled by agents and the 'want it now' culture, if someone comes along offering a huge pay rise for young players happy to sit on the bench at a 'bigger' club, then they will be sold before they are worth nothing and leave on a free at the ned of tehir contracts... crapy business, but teh players have the ultimate control, not the clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 Interesting article in the DM from David Sullivan on his thoughts about the trasfer window and agents. Worth a read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 Interesting article in the DM from David Sullivan on his thoughts about the trasfer window and agents. Worth a read. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2271803/David-Sullivan-bullying-threats-violence-agent-demands-transfer-window.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 It is for Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 1 February, 2013 Share Posted 1 February, 2013 You thought we were already strong enough in defence that we didn't need an international CB added? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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