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Barry Sanchez

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What, you get that from moving on squad players who aren't anywhere near the first team?

 

Despite long-term contracts for the like of Lallana, JWP & Luke Shaw.

 

You gotta do better than that fella.

 

What does a contract mean? Shaw is a Chelsea fan and would love to play there, if Lallana was given the choice of playing at a bigger club what do you rhink he would do? Contracts are good for raising prices not for keeping the player there, do you think Ramirez will be here in 3 years?

 

Le Tissier is a one off.

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Oh dear me:rolleyes: And I thought you were an asute poster! Let me try again, pap. I was taking the **** out of the 'crazy Adkins story'.

 

I know/knew.

 

I thought I was joining in with the fun, but now I'm having my astuteness impugned :'(

 

What is wrong with you? :)

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Big Bad Bob

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Oh dear me:rolleyes: And I thought you were an asute poster! Let me try again, pap. I was taking the **** out of the 'crazy Adkins story'.

 

Oh dear Norm!

 

"What is wring with you?"

 

I know/knew.

 

I thought I was joining in with the fun, but now I'm having my astuteness impugned :'(

 

What is wrong with you? :)

 

Oh FFS you three, pick yourselves up, you're all a ****ing disgrace..

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At the risk of getting drawn into something I'll regret... how have you got from 'not buying' to 'selling'?

 

Coz we moved on squad players that he probably didn't want playing anyway.

 

But we didn't bring in as many players as he wanted, so now christmas is a write off, and all the toys are now out the play pen.

 

Selling surplus players makes you a selling club. Obv.

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Coz we moved on squad players that he probably didn't want playing anyway.

 

But we didn't bring in as many players as he wanted, so now christmas is a write off, and all the toys are now out the play pen.

 

Selling surplus players makes you a selling club. Obv.

 

Did we actually sell anyone? I thought they were all loaned out?

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You see with the greatest respect how can you vaildate a cliam like

"14 games left so we will be unlucky to pick up bad injuries" ?

 

This optimism has no realism and this is why there is a stark divide between the so called bed wetters and happy clappers.

 

The truth of Forren is we were the only ones in for him, Liverpool offered a 24 year old a trial and there is nothing more to add to that than smoke, mirrors and lies, he is regarded as a superb defender but Everton did not snap him up last year, I dont know what the reason is for that so I would be lying if I said I did.

 

Such "optimism" has a lot of realism. The % likelihood is that we will not pick up an enormous string of bad injuries between now and the end of the season. It's only a %, of course, it's like buying (or not buying) insurance.

 

Additionally, compared with the start of the season, we have a far better idea of the players who can cope with Premiership football. (e.g. back in August, I don't think it was obvious to many that Fox would be so weak at this level and that Shaw would be so strong....Cork and Morgan have both shown themselves to be able to cut the mustard and don't need replacing etc).

 

Obviously, were we to suffer terrible injuries to Lambert, Lallana (again), Ramirez, Clyne, Shaw, Schneiderlin, Puncheon and Cork, well then the starting XI looks very threadbare. But it's not obvious that we should (or could) spend, say, £20m seeking to completely mitigate this risk.

 

With the possible exception of Lambert, we have good cover in virtually every position. So, any likely spread of injuries (say, losing 2 or 3 players for a total of 10-12 matches between them) can be pretty satisfactorily covered. Yep, the team might only be 90% as good as it otherwise would be, but that's livable with.

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Coz we moved on squad players that he probably didn't want playing anyway.

 

But we didn't bring in as many players as he wanted, so now christmas is a write off, and all the toys are now out the play pen.

 

Selling surplus players makes you a selling club. Obv.

 

Oh. I thought we loaned them out anyway.

 

Besides, that wasn't what this thread or my comment was about. Just that the 'theory' that MP was brought in to attract big players in the January window (or better players than NA could) shouldn't need quashing, as the club have said resolutely that we were unlikely to spend after the Forren deal. Anyone who was working with that theory has been under a misapprehension.

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Wes Tender

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Such "optimism" has a lot of realism. The % likelihood is that we will not pick up an enormous string of bad injuries between now and the end of the season. It's only a %, of course, it's like buying (or not buying) insurance.

 

Additionally, compared with the start of the season, we have a far better idea of the players who can cope with Premiership football. (e.g. back in August, I don't think it was obvious to many that Fox would be so weak at this level and that Shaw would be so strong....Cork and Morgan have both shown themselves to be able to cut the mustard and don't need replacing etc).

 

Obviously, were we to suffer terrible injuries to Lambert, Lallana (again), Ramirez, Clyne, Shaw, Schneiderlin, Puncheon and Cork, well then the starting XI looks very threadbare. But it's not obvious that we should (or could) spend, say, £20m seeking to completely mitigate this risk.

 

With the possible exception of Lambert, we have good cover in virtually every position. So, any likely spread of injuries (say, losing 2 or 3 players for a total of 10-12 matches between them) can be pretty satisfactorily covered. Yep, the team might only be 90% as good as it otherwise would be, but that's livable with.

 

The trouble is that if we were only 90% as good as we would otherwise have been with a full strength team, then that might be the difference between survival and relegation. And you have factored in injuries, but not suspensions. You say that we have good cover in virtually every position with the possible exception of Lambert, but he is probably the key player that we need good cover for. Would we continue to get the required number of goals without him for several weeks? In the previous seasons, we were scoring goals from all over the pitch, but this season, with the higher standards in the division, not too many goals have come from the midfield or the defence as previously. It might be that Pocchettino's tactics of playing a high line might produce more goals from other players, we'll have to wait and see.

 

We are doing OK so far without Fonte with Hooiveld covering and Guly is not a miss with Lallana returning. But one more injury out wide or to the defence and we begin to look a bit short, especially to the fullbacks. And every first choice player replaced by his understudy weakens us.

 

Getting back to the subject of the thread, I was led to believe by the rumours of whom we were associated with that Pochettino's contacts would get us some good prospects from Spain or Argentina that Adkins might not have been able to get us. As that has not happened, then the OP seems to be correct at this stage, but maybe his contacts will come fully into effect in the Summer - if we're still in the Premier division.

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When we could be in the Championship

 

if NC had a yo yo plan, get promoted, get relegated, get the parachute and bounce back up maybe, and if that was the case Adkins would be the man to manage us through that imo, but MP is the man to take us to the next stage in his master plan, so the theory that he is here to bring in big names is already assuming we stay up, otherwise bigger names would be a time waster regardless of manager. january is a bit panic buying anyway, and mostly bulking out the squad, plus he's only been scouting the players for a couple months and trained with them 2 weeks, he will ha a better idea in may who he wants and who he doesn't

 

still can't write him off with his player pull until we fail to sign some big guns in the summer, and Forren knew he was coming in anyway :)

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The trouble is that if we were only 90% as good as we would otherwise have been with a full strength team, then that might be the difference between survival and relegation. And you have factored in injuries, but not suspensions. You say that we have good cover in virtually every position with the possible exception of Lambert, but he is probably the key player that we need good cover for. Would we continue to get the required number of goals without him for several weeks? In the previous seasons, we were scoring goals from all over the pitch, but this season, with the higher standards in the division, not too many goals have come from the midfield or the defence as previously. It might be that Pocchettino's tactics of playing a high line might produce more goals from other players, we'll have to wait and see.

 

We are doing OK so far without Fonte with Hooiveld covering and Guly is not a miss with Lallana returning. But one more injury out wide or to the defence and we begin to look a bit short, especially to the fullbacks. And every first choice player replaced by his understudy weakens us.

 

Getting back to the subject of the thread, I was led to believe by the rumours of whom we were associated with that Pochettino's contacts would get us some good prospects from Spain or Argentina that Adkins might not have been able to get us. As that has not happened, then the OP seems to be correct at this stage, but maybe his contacts will come fully into effect in the Summer - if we're still in the Premier division.

 

 

Is that a gamble you agree with? Scant regard and sailing close to the wind if you ask me, QPR are at one end and we are at the other.

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Is that a gamble you agree with? Scant regard and sailing close to the wind if you ask me, QPR are at one end and we are at the other.

 

No, it's not a gamble I agree with. My position has always been that when we got to the January window, Adkins would have had the opportunity to have brought in players to strenghten the team to consolidate our position in the divsion and virtually guarantee that we would not be relegated.

 

Firstly I had not contemplated that Adkins would not be here to bring about those changes and secondly I had not anticipated that it would be deemed to be unecessary that beyond an extra signing at CB, nothing further was needed to either improve the squad, or bring in extra cover.

 

For me the jury is still out on Pocchettino and the last couple of results are not beyond what I would have expected Adkins to be capable of. I have always said since Adkins sacking that to my mind, finishing no better than 15th would mean that there was no point in getting shot of Adkins, as that is where he had us.

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