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Why has it? what is with these maniac posts tonight?

 

Seriously, how easy do people actually think it is to make signings? There was nothing wrong with Adkins pull, just as such there isn't anything wrong with MP's pull.

 

If the players aren't there and gettable, then what do you do? Pay over the odds to get them, or get someone you don't really want?

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Why has it? what is with these maniac posts tonight?

 

Seriously, how easy do people actually think it is to make signings? There was nothing wrong with Adkins pull, just as such there isn't anything wrong with MP's pull.

 

If the players aren't there and gettable, then what do you do? Pay over the odds to get them, or get someone you don't really want?

 

Because it has ! What would be the ambitions that NA couldn't help fulfil then ? Not a maniac post, just stating that some thought NA was sacked as he is not a big name in football and therefore cannot pull in big players.

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Rubbish OP. No facts - not even a defendable argument.

 

What ?, did I say Fact, it was a statement that many people, myself included THOUGHT ONE of the reasons for NA sacking was he couldn't attract big names. The statement from Cortese 2 weeks from deadline day about club ambition and Europe qualification was deemed by many to back this THOUGHT up.

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Many people, myself included thought one of the reasons for NA sacking was lack of ability to attract and sign players that would fit into Saints ambitions. I guess today has managed to squash that theory.

 

Or even quash it. But yeah, one of my expectations was that Pochettino would come in to a fair few new signings, to placate the aggrieved if nothing else.

 

Looks like Cortese wants his sacking to stand a fair comparison (Forren aside). Strange thing is now it'll just appear to be Adkins' team until the summer whatever happens.

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Saints spent over £35m on players this season, the last game saw them outplay Man Utd at Old Trafford with 21 shots on goal. Yet people complain! :D

 

We did lose, and having gone was pretty confident we weren't getting a point at any juncture last night. United were playing well within themselves.

 

Has this been posted anywhere else? ;)

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The alternative theory is that Pochettino thinks he can get more out of the current group than NA did - by, for example, committing to a playing style and sticking to it, giving some of NA's un-used signings a chance, making sure that everyone understands their role, applying his own motivational style, and so on.

 

He said he'd only sign players that would improve the squad, so he obviously fancies his chances of turning NA-type draws into MP-type wins. If he's right, or if the right kind of player wasn't available, why on earth would signing new players be viewed as a measure of success?

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[/color]He said he'd only sign players that would improve the squad, so he obviously fancies his chances of turning NA-type draws into MP-type wins. [/color]

 

As opposed to intentionally signing players that wouldn't improve the squad? Which manager would ever say that in an interview?

 

 

Some people are easily pleased.

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Because it has ! What would be the ambitions that NA couldn't help fulfil then ? Not a maniac post, just stating that some thought NA was sacked as he is not a big name in football and therefore cannot pull in big players.

 

 

I thought that theory was quashed the second MP was announced, know what I mean.

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Saints spent over £35m on players this season, the last game saw them outplay Man Utd at Old Trafford with 21 shots on goal. Yet people complain! :D

 

You can have 500 shots on goal, but if none of them go in you end up with ..... NIL POINTS

 

(And if you examine the rules, it is GOALS that win matches and get you POINTS to keep you from Relegation )

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You can have 500 shots on goal, but if none of them go in you end up with ..... NIL POINTS

 

(And if you examine the rules, it is GOALS that win matches and get you POINTS to keep you from Relegation )

 

You wouldn't end up with nil points if you didn't concede. 0 points for a defeat, 1 point for a draw, 3 points for a win. Just in case you needed reminding.

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Many people, myself included thought one of the reasons for NA sacking was lack of ability to attract and sign players that would fit into Saints ambitions. I guess today has managed to squash that theory.

 

The lack of activity can be interpreted in several ways - for instance it helps dismiss the claim made by Martin Samuel:

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2270311/January-transfer-window-doesnt-work--Martin-Samuel.html

"QPR wish to throw money at a problem in order to resolve it, Southampton sacked a perfectly good manager so the new man could make last-minute changes to the squad."

 

As it turns out it was not because of the evil transfer window that Adkins was shown the door - so another theory dismissed...

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You wouldn't end up with nil points if you didn't concede. 0 points for a defeat, 1 point for a draw, 3 points for a win. Just in case you needed reminding.

 

 

Thank you for the reminder

 

I was talking in the context of Man U v Saints, where we were 1-2 down, yet "outplayed" them (as was stated), had 21 shots, none of which reached the back of the net, and we ended up with ZILCH ........... apart from Ferguson saying how good we were

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Norwich are going to go down, they needed another striker Holt has been found out this season as a big lump, them not getting Hooper will drag them into the battle, are squad i feel is better then Readings Villas and Wigans as well, so i am confident with this current group were be fine under MP as we would of under NA.

 

As for his sacking after finding out some info, from a few players, apparently his communication was not as good as we thought throughout the squad and wouldn't speak to back up 1st team players on working on things like chappers butterfield richardson etc he would also refuse to be questioned by the players, after they questioned a few of his subs and training methods, however players did respect him and like him and thought he was a top manager just didn't understand some of the things he did and timings of things, and NC and LR knew about this and THEY decided that he would change the whole coaching set up, so his sacking was because of Les Reed and NC, thinking a new man can involve the qhole squad more and get more from the current crop, so i was not surprised we didn't sign anyone.

 

Also surprised we didn't sell Richardson as he wont play another game for saints as one more league appearance triggers a fee to Charlton i believe about 250k.

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Many people, myself included thought one of the reasons for NA sacking was lack of ability to attract and sign players that would fit into Saints ambitions. I guess today has managed to squash that theory.

 

In the long term it is still a possible factor. We just haven't signed many in January as I'm presuming MP thinks that the squad we have is good enough and any additions would have to obviously improve the squad..

 

On that basis I think in the window only the following signings will improve their teams:-

 

Ba to Chelsea

 

Emanuelson to Fulham

 

Sturridge and Coutinho to Liverpool

 

Debuchy and Sissoko to Newcastle

 

Remy and Samba to QPR

 

Forren to us

 

Graham to Sunderland

 

Lewis Holtby to Spurs

 

And I think that is it, none of the other transfer appear to improve the teams they have moved to, they add more options and one or two might turn out better than expected., however not a huge influx of quality there. The 'biggest' singing of the window was probably Samba really and QPR had to throw the bank at him.

 

West Brom, Swansea, Man City, Saints, Everton, Chelsea, Arsenal, and Man Utd all signed either no one or just one player. Spurs, Stoke, Norwich, and Liverpool only signed two players.

 

 

What it shows is that the January transfer window is not generally a good time to make quality signings.

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MP said he would only get in players who would improve our side. Jan is the desperation window, just look at the Odimwinge fiasco or Norwich bidding 9m for Hooper!! We have a great team and not a bad squad in general, we battered Man U second half and barring massive injuries, we have enough to stay up. 14 games left so we will be unlucky to pick up bad injuries. Adam is back, feels like a new signing, Boruc has strted to show his true worth, Fonte to come back and we actually signed a very highly rated CB! All in all, very happy and cant wait to pick up 3 points against Wigan tomorrow.

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The ' Adkins wasn't a big enough name to attract quality players' could be a manufactured reason for his nsacking by someone who just wants to criticise the Cortese decision, but for all I know it may be true. On the other hand, Pochettino does look more like a football manager and more like a former player, whereas Nigel looks more like a bank clerk, so maybe that was the reason. Will we ever know..........

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We've got a whole squad of talented under 21 players, that we've spent millions on developing, that Adkins had barely utilised? Isn't that what Poche is famous for and what Cortese is clearly expecting? Wasn't it something like 50% of the team from the academy? How much business did Barcelona do this window?... ;)

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Was it just me that read all those interviews and statements from the club, from the day Pochettino was appointed onwards, saying we probably wouldn't be signing anyone in January and that MP was happy with the squad? And there was all the stuff about building a squad through the youth system. I don't remember anything about attracting big name players. Although I can see why people might want that, it was never really on the table.

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Many people, myself included thought one of the reasons for NA sacking was lack of ability to attract and sign players that would fit into Saints ambitions. I guess today has managed to squash that theory.

 

what about the summer transfer window, or next January?

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We lost!

 

That is clear - but let us be fair, there is a lot to be said for the manner in which we lost.

 

Before kick off, not many would have predicted anything different. On another night United could have won by four or five, or we may have even sneaked a result (Why o why did Adam not swing at that ball instead of attempting a little flick)

 

So losing at Man Utd means you should go out and start paying over the odds for players you may not want, or taking gambles on players that may not come off will not change that fact. All that performance does show - for those that want to see it - is that the players that are currently involved have a lot to offer.

 

But yes, you're right - we lost. Well done.

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I dont buy this we have a good enough squad to stay up theory. All bar one of these players have barely kept us out of the relegation zone so far.

 

Think about how many games we've lost from a winning position so far... A little bit more tactical nous (Poche) to turn those leads in to victories and we'll be fine.

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MP said he would only get in players who would improve our side. Jan is the desperation window, just look at the Odimwinge fiasco or Norwich bidding 9m for Hooper!! We have a great team and not a bad squad in general, we battered Man U second half and barring massive injuries, we have enough to stay up. 14 games left so we will be unlucky to pick up bad injuries. Adam is back, feels like a new signing, Boruc has strted to show his true worth, Fonte to come back and we actually signed a very highly rated CB! All in all, very happy and cant wait to pick up 3 points against Wigan tomorrow.

 

You see with the greatest respect how can you vaildate a cliam like

"14 games left so we will be unlucky to pick up bad injuries" ?

 

This optimism has no realism and this is why there is a stark divide between the so called bed wetters and happy clappers.

 

The truth of Forren is we were the only ones in for him, Liverpool offered a 24 year old a trial and there is nothing more to add to that than smoke, mirrors and lies, he is regarded as a superb defender but Everton did not snap him up last year, I dont know what the reason is for that so I would be lying if I said I did.

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Was it just me that read all those interviews and statements from the club, from the day Pochettino was appointed onwards, saying we probably wouldn't be signing anyone in January and that MP was happy with the squad? And there was all the stuff about building a squad through the youth system. I don't remember anything about attracting big name players. Although I can see why people might want that, it was never really on the table.

 

So selling is what we will do, how will we keep our academy players from going if large clubs come knocking at the door?

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