110_Persaint Posted 30 January, 2013 Posted 30 January, 2013 Let's not forget the man who masterminded our second half performance at Old Trafford and give credit where it is due. Would Adkins have had the balls to make that double half-time substitution that changed the game? Seriously doubt it. Pochettino already proving to be a better tactician. Not missing Nigel at all!
S-Clarke Posted 30 January, 2013 Posted 30 January, 2013 NA changed it and got us the draw at Chelsea, very successfully. Let's not forget what he's done and just belittle it. Tonight has nothing to do with NA, he may have achieved the same, who knows? But credit to MP - he called the right shots in that 2nd half.
Saint_clark Posted 30 January, 2013 Posted 30 January, 2013 Disclaimer - I was a huge Adkins fan. But he rarely (if ever) made changes at half time. One of my only problems with him was that he seemed to confuse periods of possession with periods of dominance, so he'd often think we were on top when in actual fact the opposition were just happy for us to have the ball and not threaten.
Berudenot2 Posted 30 January, 2013 Posted 30 January, 2013 I'm not sure the accolade of tactical genius can apply when Shaw was left on the bench.
sotonjoe Posted 30 January, 2013 Posted 30 January, 2013 Yes, he masterminded this defeat. Ire genius.
Glasgow_Saint Posted 30 January, 2013 Posted 30 January, 2013 I'm not sure the accolade of tactical genius can apply when Shaw was left on the bench. And that 1st half display..... Worst we have been since Leeds away
Matthew Le God Posted 30 January, 2013 Posted 30 January, 2013 And that 1st half display..... Worst we have been since Leeds away Nonsense, as I hope you know but like to continue with this "character" of yours. If you do genuinely believe we were poor in the first half, God help you.
Katalinic Posted 30 January, 2013 Posted 30 January, 2013 Let's not forget the man who masterminded our second half performance at Old Trafford and give credit where it is due. Would Adkins have had the balls to make that double half-time substitution that changed the game? Seriously doubt it. Pochettino already proving to be a better tactician. Not missing Nigel at all! Although I was not unhappy that NA was replaced it is disingenuous to him and everything he achieved at SFC to belittle him. Rather than slating NA in hindsight let's enjoy Pochettino without the need for comparisons - I have a feeling we have found a gem as our new manager.
Graffito Posted 30 January, 2013 Posted 30 January, 2013 Let's not forget the man who masterminded our second half performance at Old Trafford and give credit where it is due. Would Adkins have had the balls to make that double half-time substitution that changed the game? Seriously doubt it. Pochettino already proving to be a better tactician. Not missing Nigel at all! Would you say he got it wrong first half?
Glasgow_Saint Posted 30 January, 2013 Posted 30 January, 2013 Nonsense, as I hope you know but like to continue with this "character" of yours. If you do genuinely believe we were poor in the first half, God help you. I thought we were awful...... United coulda, shoulda (on another night woulda) scored 5 or 6
miserableoldgit Posted 30 January, 2013 Posted 30 January, 2013 we lost!!!! If the only reason that you watch football is for the results and not the performance, just buy a newspaper. It will save you a lot of money but you will still be able to troll on here just as well.
shurlock Posted 30 January, 2013 Posted 30 January, 2013 I thought we were awful...... United coulda, shoulda (on another night woulda) scored 5 or 6 MLG's just touchy that we played his 'preferred' formation/personnel in the first half and looked poor. MP deserves credit for being ruthless and ditching it at HT.
Matthew Le God Posted 30 January, 2013 Posted 30 January, 2013 MLG's just touchy that we played his 'preferred' formation/personnel in the first half and looked poor. MP deserves credit for being ruthless and ditching it at HT. We played the same formation in the second half, Lallana coming on made a big difference.
Gambol2K9 Posted 30 January, 2013 Posted 30 January, 2013 Calm down, it's one game. One game we lost might I add. Judge him at the end of the season.
shurlock Posted 30 January, 2013 Posted 30 January, 2013 We played the same formation in the second half, Lallana coming on made a big difference. Formation/personnel - the addition of a third central midfield and the sacrifice of one attacking player was the big change. Your two CMs and four attack-minded players left us horribly exposed and gave them too much space and respect.
sammysaint Posted 30 January, 2013 Posted 30 January, 2013 Adkins fan and Adkins built a great confidence and run up, this guy has carried on the momentum perfomance wise, lets hope he can do the same and make sure we win sat by changing the right players at the right time.
Glasgow_Saint Posted 30 January, 2013 Posted 30 January, 2013 Calm down, it's one game. One game we lost might I add. Judge him at the end of the season. A big test on saturday....... See what hes made of
Jonnyboy Posted 30 January, 2013 Posted 30 January, 2013 Lets just wait and see if we stay up this season eh?
Saint Fan CaM Posted 30 January, 2013 Posted 30 January, 2013 It was not just about his substitutions. The manner in which he has changed the team by (a) pressing hard when not in possession and (b) drilling balls through channels more centrally, made a massive difference to the way we played. We denied them opportunities and the only problem we had was converting chances - you don't get many at OT, so when you do you need to take them. Davies missed a glorious chance to draw - he is not good enough on the ball unfortunately and we need better.
JoeShmoe Posted 30 January, 2013 Posted 30 January, 2013 I'm not sure the accolade of tactical genius can apply when Shaw was left on the bench. Shaw was ill. confirmed after the game
sotonjoe Posted 30 January, 2013 Posted 30 January, 2013 If he masterminds every game this way and we continue to lose 2-1, I will be ecstatic. There's no better way to lose than with a tactical genius in charge.
S-Clarke Posted 30 January, 2013 Posted 30 January, 2013 If he masterminds every game this way and we continue to lose 2-1, I will be ecstatic. There's no better way to lose than with a tactical genius in charge. Oh, be quiet. You're making yourself look like a knob.
Katalinic Posted 30 January, 2013 Posted 30 January, 2013 If he masterminds every game this way and we continue to lose 2-1, I will be ecstatic. There's no better way to lose than with a tactical genius in charge. You need to open your mind and see the bigger picture, if you are capable of doing so.
miserableoldgit Posted 30 January, 2013 Posted 30 January, 2013 If he masterminds every game this way and we continue to lose 2-1, I will be ecstatic. There's no better way to lose than with a tactical genius in charge. ....and another Forum "character" is born....
sotonjoe Posted 30 January, 2013 Posted 30 January, 2013 You need to open your mind and see the bigger picture, if you are capable of doing so. What is the bigger picture? Watching Reading get out the relegation zone and close the gap on us? Yippee.
sotonjoe Posted 30 January, 2013 Posted 30 January, 2013 Oh, be quiet. You're making yourself look like a knob. Is your satisfaction at this evening's result so fragile that one poster can make you turn back into a foul mouthed yob? Obviously you weren't that happy after all.
Turkish Posted 30 January, 2013 Posted 30 January, 2013 Formation/personnel - the addition of a third central midfield and the sacrifice of one attacking player was the big change. Your two CMs and four attack-minded players left us horribly exposed and gave them too much space and respect. As anyone with an ounce of common sense knew it would.
S-Clarke Posted 30 January, 2013 Posted 30 January, 2013 Is your satisfaction at this evening's result so fragile that one poster can make you turn back into a foul mouthed yob? Obviously you weren't that happy after all. I just get irriated by people who just have no perspective what so ever. You say looking at the bigger picture is the fact that Reading have closed the gap on us, in fact that's a short-term snapshot view based on this set of fixtures. I've been very happy with the way we've played for the last few months, I think we look like a pretty decent PL team at long last. I didn't expect anything today if I'm honest, I kind of saw it as a bonus game - so not suprised we lost, but so encouraged by the display in the 2nd half and the reaction to the positive changes which were made at HT. I think the entire club have made huge strides in the last few months, and MP is now taking on the foundations NA put in place and is changing things in his own way. In the long run, if we continue how we've been doing in the last few months, we will have a nice 2nd half of the season.
sotonjoe Posted 30 January, 2013 Posted 30 January, 2013 Ramirez wasnt injured was he? No, just disinterested according to the forum experts. This is probably something else to celebrate.
sotonjoe Posted 30 January, 2013 Posted 30 January, 2013 I just get irriated by people who just have no perspective what so ever. You say looking at the bigger picture is the fact that Reading have closed the gap on us, in fact that's a short-term snapshot view based on this set of fixtures. I've been very happy with the way we've played for the last few months, I think we look like a pretty decent PL team at long last. I didn't expect anything today if I'm honest, I kind of saw it as a bonus game - so not suprised we lost, but so encouraged by the display in the 2nd half and the reaction to the positive changes which were made at HT. I think the entire club have made huge strides in the last few months, and MP is now taking on the foundations NA put in place and is changing things in his own way. In the long run, if we continue how we've been doing in the last few months, we will have a nice 2nd half of the season. I agree wholeheartedly. That's why I think it's ridiculous that some are over selling a defeat to Manchester United.
S-Clarke Posted 30 January, 2013 Posted 30 January, 2013 I agree wholeheartedly. That's why I think it's ridiculous that some are over selling a defeat to Manchester United. It's positive to see us play so well and with so much composure away at a place like that though, and a performance such as that will only aid our confidence.
notnowcato Posted 30 January, 2013 Posted 30 January, 2013 How come Joe the reggie user can post more than 3 times in a day? Oh, Joe, what's occurring? That is all, carry on with your banal mutterings and bating.
DT Posted 30 January, 2013 Posted 30 January, 2013 It was not just about his substitutions. The manner in which he has changed the team by (a) pressing hard when not in possession and (b) drilling balls through channels more centrally, made a massive difference to the way we played. We denied them opportunities and the only problem we had was converting chances - you don't get many at OT, so when you do you need to take them. Davies missed a glorious chance to draw - he is not good enough on the ball unfortunately and we need better. Agree with all of that
sotonjoe Posted 30 January, 2013 Posted 30 January, 2013 How come Joe the reggie user can post more than 3 times in a day? Oh, Joe, what's occurring? That is all, carry on with your banal mutterings and bating. I get special dispensation as the owners know I am the best poster. I get paid per bite c
influx Posted 31 January, 2013 Posted 31 January, 2013 If the only reason that you watch football is for the results and not the performance, just buy a newspaper. It will save you a lot of money but you will still be able to troll on here just as well. Here Here!! It really does appear like alot of people on here take little joy from football at all. I watched that 2nd half on my laptop in my kitchen....my partner honestly had thought we had won, coz after the final whistle I was beaming from ear to ear. We had just put the league leaders to task ffs!!!! The threat of relegation had just ran off into the distance and all I was left with was thoughts of how next season will pan out. Yep, on reflection I know its still going to be a struggle to stay up this season, but i have never felt as much hope after a loss in the whole of my Saints supporting life. The way we pressed, the way we hassled and hurried, we arent the first team to do this to MAn U, but we are the first to do that effectively. Bring on Wigan!!
Wes Tender Posted 31 January, 2013 Posted 31 January, 2013 You've really got to laugh at the comparison in how some people react to the tactical changes that Adkins made against those that Pochettino made. Had Adkins taken off Ramirez and Puncheon, he would have been crucified by some for taking off two of our best players. OK, they didn't look effective, but that has never stopped people criticising Adkins under similar circumstances. And starting Fox? OK, somebody says Shaw was ill, but he seemed fine when he came on and looked 100% better than Fox. Fox was the weak link in the team and every team exploits that wing when he's playing. It speaks volumes that it was Rodrigues giving away free-kicks from the spot that Fox should have been defending and where Shaw would probably have mopped up the danger, no sweat. Whether we would have played the same under Adkins, who knows? We've been ahead of United before and still lost, but it was satisfying to hear the praise from the pundits and from SAF for our display tonight. Let's just hope that we produce a similar committed display against Wigan on Saturday. We have a confidence boost from running United so close and we need to maintain it. If we do, we should have enough to survive the drop. The pressing high up the pitch is effective against quality teams, but surely there will come a time when it becomes predictable as a tactic and some team will lob the ball over the top for a fast forward to run onto it.
capitalsaint Posted 31 January, 2013 Posted 31 January, 2013 You've really got to laugh at the comparison in how some people react to the tactical changes that Adkins made against those that Pochettino made. Had Adkins taken off Ramirez and Puncheon, he would have been crucified by some for taking off two of our best players. OK, they didn't look effective, but that has never stopped people criticising Adkins under similar circumstances. And starting Fox? OK, somebody says Shaw was ill, but he seemed fine when he came on and looked 100% better than Fox. Fox was the weak link in the team and every team exploits that wing when he's playing. It speaks volumes that it was Rodrigues giving away free-kicks from the spot that Fox should have been defending and where Shaw would probably have mopped up the danger, no sweat. Whether we would have played the same under Adkins, who knows? We've been ahead of United before and still lost, but it was satisfying to hear the praise from the pundits and from SAF for our display tonight. Let's just hope that we produce a similar committed display against Wigan on Saturday. We have a confidence boost from running United so close and we need to maintain it. If we do, we should have enough to survive the drop. The pressing high up the pitch is effective against quality teams, but surely there will come a time when it becomes predictable as a tactic and some team will lob the ball over the top for a fast forward to run onto it. But they weren't the two players playing their best football at that time, unlike when Punch and RL were taken off at St Mary's. Similarly, the recent subs resulted in an improved performance rather than the surrendering of a lead.
Sour Mash Posted 31 January, 2013 Posted 31 January, 2013 Let's not forget the man who masterminded our second half performance at Old Trafford and give credit where it is due. Would Adkins have had the balls to make that double half-time substitution that changed the game? Seriously doubt it. Pochettino already proving to be a better tactician. Not missing Nigel at all! Calm yourself down. He's not proven himself to be any kind of genius yet.
Sour Mash Posted 31 January, 2013 Posted 31 January, 2013 Disclaimer - I was a huge Adkins fan. But he rarely (if ever) made changes at half time. One of my only problems with him was that he seemed to confuse periods of possession with periods of dominance, so he'd often think we were on top when in actual fact the opposition were just happy for us to have the ball and not threaten. How many outright chances we create tonight?
Sour Mash Posted 31 January, 2013 Posted 31 January, 2013 Ramirez wasnt injured was he? Cr@p as usual away from home
Suomi Saint Posted 31 January, 2013 Posted 31 January, 2013 This is a joke, right? First half we were garbage....and we LOST!
Minsk Posted 31 January, 2013 Posted 31 January, 2013 2 games - 1 goal - 1 point - 2 good halves - 2 bad halves - no wins - yes, genius! Let's see what Wigan holds before getting carried away shall we? I hope he gets it right there. If not..............
Turkish Posted 31 January, 2013 Posted 31 January, 2013 You've really got to laugh at the comparison in how some people react to the tactical changes that Adkins made against those that Pochettino made. Had Adkins taken off Ramirez and Puncheon, he would have been crucified by some for taking off two of our best players. OK, they didn't look effective, but that has never stopped people criticising Adkins under similar circumstances. And starting Fox? OK, somebody says Shaw was ill, but he seemed fine when he came on and looked 100% better than Fox. Fox was the weak link in the team and every team exploits that wing when he's playing. It speaks volumes that it was Rodrigues giving away free-kicks from the spot that Fox should have been defending and where Shaw would probably have mopped up the danger, no sweat. Whether we would have played the same under Adkins, who knows? We've been ahead of United before and still lost, but it was satisfying to hear the praise from the pundits and from SAF for our display tonight. Let's just hope that we produce a similar committed display against Wigan on Saturday. We have a confidence boost from running United so close and we need to maintain it. If we do, we should have enough to survive the drop. The pressing high up the pitch is effective against quality teams, but surely there will come a time when it becomes predictable as a tactic and some team will lob the ball over the top for a fast forward to run onto it. The difference being Niges substitutions were often bizarre and rarely did they turn the game in our favour. If he'd taken off Ramirez and Puncheon and we'd lost 5-1 then you might be onto something, few would argue that MP's substitutions improved the performance. Shaw was ill, it was said on here before and then reported in the news afterwards, so nice try at having a pop on that score. As for your last point, it really is a cute, naive world you live in isn't it. Yep, that is all they have to do to counter a high pressing game is to hump it forward for a fast player to run onto It really is that easy so i expect us soon to start getting dicked and torn apart soon when teams realise all they need is a Jonno Quick up front and they are in a business against us. You dont think maybe, just maybe, as an ex international centre half he might know how to combat the genius tactic of a punt forward for the quick man to run onto?
Huffton Posted 31 January, 2013 Posted 31 January, 2013 Let's not forget the man who masterminded our second half performance at Old Trafford and give credit where it is due. Would Adkins have had the balls to make that double half-time substitution that changed the game? Seriously doubt it. Pochettino already proving to be a better tactician. Not missing Nigel at all! Ciao Nicola!
DT Posted 31 January, 2013 Posted 31 January, 2013 It was a good performance yesterday, yes, but tactical genius is a little strong, no? And, er, we won 0 points
John B Posted 31 January, 2013 Posted 31 January, 2013 Are you sure Seemed to me Man U were digging in for 2 1 Perhaps needed more attacking players in second half but a very good result nevertheless Hope the team is not too knackered for Saturday
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