Barry Sanchez Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 I'd be one of those kids. Mum was a single parent when it wasn't fashionable to be so. Income support the whole way through, always short on money, had to go without herself to feed us at times. I knew then and there that I was never going to follow that route, and I have quite a few mates from school in similar circumstances who thought exactly the same way. Is that when you moved to Shirley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Commonsense and obviously driving in the area is something you lack. Do you know how busy that road is in rush hour? As you live in Chester you dont. The A561/M56 Runcorn/Liverpool is also a heavily used route. L1 or Edge Lane? Are you for real? There is no contest, the area is very very run down and again who would pay for that? Why would you advocate heavier car use over building something in the City centre that can be used by train, bus and car? Common sense young pap, common sense. Is it Mr Gubay of Peel Holdings? Yep. Drive it every morning. Same as any other artery into the city. Chocka during rush hour. Believe it or not, I actually live off the road you speak of. There's a new ( http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2012/12/20/200m-liverpool-edge-lane-retail-complex-plan-to-bring-400-jobs-100252-32464109/ Rush hour doesn't seem to have deterred them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 (edited) Is the £65 Million they are using to expand the road in the £200 Million? Thats so people can avoid the area not go into it! The Littlewoods building is impressive but the Edge Hill retail redevelopment will be another spectacular failure of public/private cosying up, but we digress, that area has always been rough, it will always be rough. Edited 30 January, 2013 by Barry Sanchez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Is the £65 Million they are using to expand the road in the £200 Million? Thats so people can avoid the area not go into it! The Littlewoods building is impressive but the Edge Hill retail redevelopment will be another spectacular failure of public/private cosying up, but we digress, that area has always been rough, it will always be rough. I don't really understand your first question, and I'd dispute your last point. Wasn't so long ago that 15K people were working on the Lane in very decent manufacturing positions. Don't think it has ever been "rough" round here. Industrial, maybe - but there's little in the way of crime or gangs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 I think you two need locking in a room together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 I don't really understand your first question, and I'd dispute your last point. Wasn't so long ago that 15K people were working on the Lane in very decent manufacturing positions. Don't think it has ever been "rough" round here. Industrial, maybe - but there's little in the way of crime or gangs.15,000 subsidized by the Government or should been possibly and then no regeneration needed? But thats speculation, sorry for laughing but you call it industrial and yet state their used to be 15,000 jobs there, its getting £200 Million worth of tarting up pap from public/private partnership. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edge_Lane The bit about pointing shotguns tickled me, its next to Kensington and near Toxteth pap,no gangs? Sorry I am proper laughing now................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 I think you two need locking in a room together.It would take pap 5 hours to get up here, I will be drinking hot chocolate by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 15,000 subsidized by the Government or should been possibly and then no regeneration needed? But thats speculation, sorry for laughing but you call it industrial and yet state their used to be 15,000 jobs there, its getting £200 Million worth of tarting up pap from public/private partnership. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edge_Lane The bit about pointing shotguns tickled me, its next to Kensington and near Toxteth pap,no gangs? Sorry I am proper laughing now................... Why are you googling Edge Lane? And where does Toxteth begin in your world? Laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 (edited) Toxteth is nearby pap, you know this surely? I googled it to try to see what money was being spent on the redevelopment of Edge Lane and just started reading, its quite funny dont you think? You failed to comment(like always) on subsidy by the Government could of helped some of the workers (like the dockers in the North End) and this in turn possibly could of stopped the area being a halfway house heaven? You could of also argued that money being spent and wasted on shops and roads could of been spent on social houses (it should of been) in your like mine socialist leaning view (you did not), pap mate you are a lost soul not knowing where to turn your attentions to, you have yet to comment or apologize to me to (pride, always be prepared to say sorry) for continuing to think I am someone else, your infatuation has run rampant and now it has come home to roost....................... In an industrial area ha ha. Edited 30 January, 2013 by Barry Sanchez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharktopus Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 How about a 'I Know Liverpool the Bestest' Thread, where you two can battle it out to the bitter end and that. Winner gets a Liverpool shirt. (For ease this will be a current season Saints shirt with SCOUSE written on it in tippex.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 FFS, get a room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 How about a 'I Know Liverpool the Bestest' Thread, where you two can battle it out to the bitter end and that. Winner gets a Liverpool shirt. (For ease this will be a current season Saints shirt with SCOUSE written on it in tippex.) Yeah, I think this nonsense should stop polluting other threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 How about a 'I Know Liverpool the Bestest' Thread, where you two can battle it out to the bitter end and that. Winner gets a Liverpool shirt. (For ease this will be a current season Saints shirt with SCOUSE written on it in tippex.) He can have that accolade, its childish and insulting he thinks I am not who I am simply because 1) He solely wants to be the only Liverpool dwelling Saints fan on here. 2) He thinks I am this dude called dune who was banned and came back solely to haunt him, but to do so I have researched Liverpool extensively to the point of OCD simply to wind him up! He is as deluded and as full of self importance if he thinks I would ever do that. I have lived here since I came back from New Zealand in 2004 and its really as simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 It's hard. It's clearly an emotive subject. One that I don't think is helped by the way politicians frame the debate as Workers v Scroungers. Firstly, the system is clearly wrong. One of my biggest gripes with Labour, and the legacy 12 years of New Labour is a system where you are better off not working than working. How you can blame parents for not working when they will be better off on benefits? Put simply, if you are raising a child, you surely (I am guessing, not being a parent) want to be able to provide as much for them as possible. If you are in a better position to do so by living on benefits, why would you not take that option? It's frustrating when you see stories like this in the press (more often than not the Daily Mail), as these are clearly extreme stories, and not representative of every single person claiming benefits. I have personal experience with this, having been unemployed for 2 years, I was in a position where I had to claim housing & job seekers. I'd much rather not have, but it was that or sleep on the streets. Living on benefits is far from fun. There is a huge stigma attached, and once in the system of unemployment etc, it's very hard to get out of. Personally, I am thankful to live in a country where we have these safety nets to protect people. Sadly, as is the case with all these things, there will be those who abuse the system, and even more sad are those that still fall through this net. Just because a system has some flaws, and some that abuse it, I don't believe this is reason enough to stop having insurance nets to help those that truly need it. That said, the system clearly needs to be improved, as this simply isn't on. By far and away the most balanced and intelligent post on the matter. Its inevitable that when you have such systems some take advantage. As is quite common, possibly fuelled by a political agenda, the system is more heavily criticised than the 'cheats' that exploit it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 There is no reason why a government should hand out free money. it's unnatural. At least put the poor in workhouses and make them earn their keep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 31 January, 2013 Share Posted 31 January, 2013 There is no reason why a government should hand out free money. it's unnatural. At least put the poor in workhouses and make them earn their keep. Wow. Showing such ignorance in such a short post is quite some feat. Top work. ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 31 January, 2013 is this pap or barry..? https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=105167092998476&set=vb.105516722948410&type=2&theater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony13579 Posted 2 February, 2013 Share Posted 2 February, 2013 There is no reason why a government should hand out free money. it's unnatural. At least put the poor in workhouses and make them earn their keep. I think you mean the work shy rather than the poor. Consider our situation... Worked 33 years, my wife worked 25 years. Between us we have claimed 2 weeks unemployment of £22. Then she gets two serious illnesses. Should we be split up and send her to the work house?... But she can't work, not even PC based work. Should she be put in the mincer and added to tesco burgers? There is a fair chance that you will get I'll before the retirement age of 66-67. How would you like to be treated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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