Saint86 Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 So, presumably they were unsuccessful before they became successful, and are all now unsuccessful again. Proves nothing. Today, success is down to money, pure and simple, from whatever source. Money does not respect history. If we have 300M£+ to invest over the next 5 years, we may make the top 6 and may get into the Champions' League, history or no history. Do we have that sort of money is the question. In support of your comment, and against Barry Sanchez... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_football_clubs_in_England_by_major_honours_won Pretty interesting read. For example, Man city are 8th with... wait for it.... 3 league titles - the last of which came after a 40year barren and unsuccessful spell. Aston Villa - 7 leagues and 7 FA cups/5 LC. - I don't personally think they are that much bigger than saints, and certainly won't be bigger than us when we are established in the premier. Leeds United (A famed big club) - 3 leagues, 2 cups - last won the league in 1992. Liverpool are also on the way down, approximately 2 decades since they last won a league (excluding CL). I think this all goes to show that fluctuation does happen, and to dismiss our chances on the basis that we have been unsuccessful and therefore will never be successful is ********. Villa are down the pan - 4th most successful English club whose last trophy was the LC in 1992.... and Man City were a saints level club prior to being taken over by wealth backers... a club who had just got promoted a few years earlier from League 1? Also if you knock off Chelseas recent league and FA Cups wins..... where exactly would they be in the table? In short, I agree with Adrian; Barry's comment means little and if anything it supports the idea that change does happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 In support of your comment, and against Barry Sanchez... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_football_clubs_in_England_by_major_honours_won Pretty interesting read. For example, Man city are 8th with... wait for it.... 3 league titles - the last of which came after a 40year barren and unsuccessful spell. Aston Villa - 7 leagues and 7 FA cups/5 LC. - I don't personally think they are that much bigger than saints, and certainly won't be bigger than us when we are established in the premier. Leeds United (A famed big club) - 3 leagues, 2 cups - last won the league in 1992. Liverpool are also on the way down, approximately 2 decades since they last won a league (excluding CL). I think this all goes to show that fluctuation does happen, and to dismiss our chances on the basis that we have been unsuccessful and therefore will never be successful is ********. Villa are down the pan - 4th most successful English club whose last trophy was the LC in 1992.... and Man City were a saints level club prior to being taken over by wealth backers... a club who had just got promoted a few years earlier from League 1? Also if you knock off Chelseas recent league and FA Cups wins..... where exactly would they be in the table? In short, I agree with Adrian; Barry's comment means little and if anything it supports the idea that change does happen. Yep, think our recent transfers inidicate this, yeh Coutinho chose Liverpool, but the fact hat he was even considering between us (32nd) and England's most successful club of all time shows history means little these days except to fans to use in arguments and the odd footnote for the media. We are 32nd in that list. 17 of the clubs with more 'success' are currently below us in the league, with most in the league's below. Man City and Chelsea would both drop down that list as well, pre-abramovich Chelsea have a league title in 1955, 3 FA cups and 2 league cups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Villa are much bigger than saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Villa are much bigger than saints. This post will most likely set some sort of MLG alarm off. In reality they aren't, a tiny bit maybe but if they go down not at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 This post will most likely set some sort of MLG alarm off. In reality they aren't, a tiny bit maybe but if they go down not at all. Can we just stop there, Aston Villa are an awful lot bigger than us, they are by far the largest team in the Midlands and have 1000's of fans from all over the Country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Yep, think our recent transfers inidicate this, yeh Coutinho chose Liverpool, but the fact hat he was even considering between us (32nd) and England's most successful club of all time shows history means little these days except to fans to use in arguments and the odd footnote for the media. We are 32nd in that list. 17 of the clubs with more 'success' are currently below us in the league, with most in the league's below. Man City and Chelsea would both drop down that list as well, pre-abramovich Chelsea have a league title in 1955, 3 FA cups and 2 league cups. Ambramovich went to Chelsea in 2003, they have also won UEFA Cups and Super Cups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Can we just stop there, Aston Villa are an awful lot bigger than us, they are by far the largest team in the Midlands and have 1000's of fans from all over the Country. Simply they aren't and they do not. Ambramovich went to Chelsea in 2003, they have also won UEFA Cups and Super Cups. To be fair I missed the 2 x UEFA Cup Winners' Cups, however from their 18 major trophies, 10 are post 2003, including the most signifigant ones (i.e Champsions league and 3 league titles). They would drop down to about the same level as Blackburn/Wolves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Posted 30 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Umm... Villa are a huge team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 In support of your comment, and against Barry Sanchez... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_football_clubs_in_England_by_major_honours_won Pretty interesting read. For example, Man city are 8th with... wait for it.... 3 league titles - the last of which came after a 40year barren and unsuccessful spell. Aston Villa - 7 leagues and 7 FA cups/5 LC. - I don't personally think they are that much bigger than saints, and certainly won't be bigger than us when we are established in the premier. Leeds United (A famed big club) - 3 leagues, 2 cups - last won the league in 1992. Liverpool are also on the way down, approximately 2 decades since they last won a league (excluding CL). I think this all goes to show that fluctuation does happen, and to dismiss our chances on the basis that we have been unsuccessful and therefore will never be successful is ********. Villa are down the pan - 4th most successful English club whose last trophy was the LC in 1992.... and Man City were a saints level club prior to being taken over by wealth backers... a club who had just got promoted a few years earlier from League 1? Also if you knock off Chelseas recent league and FA Cups wins..... where exactly would they be in the table? In short, I agree with Adrian; Barry's comment means little and if anything it supports the idea that change does happen. I think you are talking rubbish the clubs you mention are big clubs from big cities when I moved to London in the 1960s I watched Chelsea with crowds of 50000 at Stamford Bridge It is the same in most of Europe the top clubs come from the big cities with big following Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Umm... Villa are a huge team. What is this based on exactly? Their great success of trophies which includes 2 league cups in the last 20 years? Their massive average attendance of 34k? or are being literal and saying they have a lot of tall players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Villa's last 5 seasons in the Premier League have seen them finish 6th, 6th, 6th, 9th and 16th. They're in their biggest slump for many a year yet still have an attendance 4K above ours. By comparison we've sold out our 32K stadium just 3 times out of 12 home games. If we can emulate what Villa have done in the past 5 years but in reverse, I would be absolutely ecstatic. And if we can grow to be as big as they are now over that 5 years it would be a very, very good achievement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Villa's last 5 seasons in the Premier League have seen them finish 6th, 6th, 6th, 9th and 16th. They're in their biggest slump for many a year yet still have an attendance 4K above ours. By comparison we've sold out our 32K stadium just 3 times out of 12 home games. If we can emulate what Villa have done in the past 5 years but in reverse, I would be absolutely ecstatic. And if we can grow to be as big as they are now over that 5 years it would be a very, very good achievement. Like I said hardly makes tham a - a huge team. or an awful lot bigger than us A bit bigger yes, but they are no Liverpool or Utd, not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 I agree. I don't think they're a huge team. I think they're a bigger team than us, significantly so at the moment but with a potential for us to close the gap over the next 5 years. They're a bit like Newcastle in that they have a decent perception (in this country anyway) without actually winning much of late. But they also have a fair bit more potential than us; in the last 5 years they've seen average attendances of very close to 40K, and that wihtout winning or looking like winning much. I personallly can't see us getting to such a crowd attendance any time soon; against certain clubs for one off games, yes. But not as a seasonal average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Simply they aren't and they do not. To be fair I missed the 2 x UEFA Cup Winners' Cups, however from their 18 major trophies, 10 are post 2003, including the most signifigant ones (i.e Champsions league and 3 league titles). They would drop down to about the same level as Blackburn/Wolves. But still an awful lot more successful than we are, please mate you are very wrong on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronCitySaint Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Amongst the squabbling this discussion about the FFP rules are very relevant to whether a club can break into the top 4-6 in the league. I can't see how it will help us in the short to medium term as Man. City have already shown the way forward in openly flouting the spirit of the rules with the massive shirt/stadium sponsorship deals. The authorities said they were going to investigate that type of deal that clearly are priced above the value to the sponsor, then went on to ignore it. Not only do those clubs entrenched at the top have much higher earnings through the turnstiles, but will gain sponsorship deals vastly above what Saints can get so the gap may not close at all and nobody new would be able to break into the elite as the owner cannot subsidise it. Blackburn would never have been able to win a title under the FFP rules. There is really no comparison between the way US sports are run and the proposals in the FFP rules. The major sports in the US have a salary cap of a dollar amount that applies to all clubs, not based on revenue. Yes, teams are allowed to break the cap but then have to pay 'fines' into a pot that is redistributed to all. It does even out results somewhat and is great for competitiveness. Owners and fans of most clubs outside the top 4 would benefit greatly from this model if applied to the Premier League. We might actually see a different team win something. I cannot see the Man. Utd's of this world ever agreeing to something like that or the regulators ever having the balls to try it. Of course, there are major downsides to the way US sports are run as well, as seen by the constant strikes/lockouts which result from arguments over revenue. The only way I can see us getting there would be due to a 'perfect storm' of events unfolding. Abromovich gets bored of Chelsea and pulls out, SAF quids Man. Utd and they go through a period of turmoil, Wenger stays and gets even more crazy in his transfer policy, Spurs bankrupt themselves with their new stadium, Liverpool keep on being Liverpool. Actually, all those things could happen in the next 5-10 years and hopefully someone is ready to take advantage of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 But still an awful lot more successful than we are, please mate you are very wrong on this. Chelsea yes Villa no. If a player today was choosing between us and Villa it's pretty much 50/50. Although he'd have to be cheap as Villa aren;t spending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Chelsea yes Villa no. If a player today was choosing between us and Villa it's pretty much 50/50. Although he'd have to be cheap as Villa aren;t spending. They're only not spending this window. They spent around £20M in the summer. Since Randy Lerner has taken over they've probably spent in excess of £100M on transfers. Lambert has pretty much been told he needs to get on with what he already has for this season as Lerner has plunged in so much already with little notable return. I don't agree its 50/50. Villa are a more attractive prospect as a club than we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 So does it really come down to how big a club we are as to whether we can ever get to those dizzy heights? Maybe and this is PURE speculation, NC is looking at the champ league from a european perspective - where in many leagues including the likes of Germany, club with 22k capacity can get to teh CL final (think Bayer Leverkusen) - on the back of ont huge cash, but of having 3-4 homegrown stars at once - Ballack et al... and seeing those younger players stay until 22/23? For all the hype, bluster and self promotin of the premier league as the 'bestest in the world' TM - it is sad that there seems liitle hope of clubs ever competing at the top unless accompanied by the Man City billions - even our culture here sees young players leave at 17/18 rather than give it a crack with their home club - 'I want it now' is music to their agent's ears. Cortese has said the key is keeping young talent - he does that and we can do OK - but he had yet to describe how that culture will be kindled and maintained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Possible yes, likely no. If we become the new Man City with mega-rich Arab money pouring in from every side... but this will take time and serious, serious investment. I don't think Cortese really understands what he is up against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Possible yes, likely no. If we become the new Man City with mega-rich Arab money pouring in from every side... but this will take time and serious, serious investment. I don't think Cortese really understands what he is up against. To be fair I think he does - but is keen to have a go - which you cant fault as long as he does not loose it and spend like Avram in a brothel... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 To be fair I think he does - but is keen to have a go - which you cant fault as long as he does not loose it and spend like Avram in a brothel... We'll see how it goes I suppose. I admire his ambition, but I just hope we keep the foundations solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Chelsea yes Villa no. If a player today was choosing between us and Villa it's pretty much 50/50. Although he'd have to be cheap as Villa aren;t spending. No mate Villa are a far bigger club than us and thats all there is too it, we are in the top possibly 15 in the Country at a push probably 20, Villa are top 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 This post will most likely set some sort of MLG alarm off. In reality they aren't, a tiny bit maybe but if they go down not at all. They are much bigger. If Spurs were to get relegated next season would that then make us a bigger club than them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 They are much bigger. If Spurs were to get relegated next season would that then make us a bigger club than them? Quite. Leeds still bigger than us now. That'll get the dipsticks going... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Quite. Leeds still bigger than us now. That'll get the dipsticks going... Of course they are, they are much bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Stop talking boll ocks you negative posters. We are already bigger than Everton, we just dont have the stadium to reflect our fan base and Chelsea levels of investment to attract the 20,000 fans that are guarenteed to start supporting us if we did, yet. And we are much bigger than Leeds too, dont forget they only got 36,000 for an FA Cup fifth round replay that was live on telly in 2010 against Spurs whilst we pulled a whopping 28,000 for a game against Man United in the same year in the earlier rounds. We are F*CKING MASSIVE you clowns and much bigger than Leeds, Everton and tiny Villa with their pitiful crowds depsite having a bigger stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Cortese has said the key is keeping young talent - he does that and we can do OK - but he had yet to describe how that culture will be kindled and maintained. Yes he does, because that might be a bit of an oversimplification. It's not just about keeping our talent, although that's very important. It's also about building a production line. We will, in all likelihood, lose Shaw sooner or later because he's clearly a real talent and the Big Boys' money will still be talking for a long time to come, but we need the Matt Targetts to come through as well so that we're still okay even if we lose the Shaws. That is even more challenging, especially when others are trying to catch up with their academies - and probably will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Stop talking boll ocks you negative posters. We are already bigger than Everton, we just dont have the stadium to reflect our fan base and Chelsea levels of investment to attract the 20,000 fans that are guarenteed to start supporting us if we did, yet. And we are much bigger than Leeds too, dont forget they only got 36,000 for an FA Cup fifth round replay that was live on telly in 2010 against Spurs whilst we pulled a whopping 28,000 for a game against Man United in the same year in the earlier rounds. We are F*CKING MASSIVE you clowns and much bigger than Leeds, Everton and tiny Villa with their pitiful crowds depsite having a bigger stadium. What have Villa ever done anyway? Finishing sixth three seasons in a row? Effing pitiful. If Cortese thinks he can dish that kind if horsesh it up and expect us to be thankful he can think again. We need to do far better than this. All my hopes dreams and aspirations for the rest of my life are wrapped up in my football club finishing fourth. And that hope alone, expressed on a messageboard, means we will do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 I would say any English team that has a European Cup (that is a Champions league to some of you) to its name is bigger than saints... Villa or Forest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 On a two year contract MP will load the club with foreigners, fail miserably and then be fired leaving us in one almighty mess. Were hr to succeed he's be signed up by the likes of som top International club. We are losers either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 I would say any English team that has a European Cup (that is a Champions league to some of you) to its name is bigger than saints... Villa or Forest Woldwide fanbase is the only measure for me. Last time i checked we was 17th biggest English club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 It appears that some have got a bit sidetracked from the original subject of the thread. Perhaps a good idea to reread it, and discuss whether you believe it is possible, instead of rehashing this "our club is bigger than yours" stuff, which has been done again and again ad-nauseum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 I would say any English team that has a European Cup (that is a Champions league to some of you) to its name is bigger than saints... Villa or Forest all together now.... "WE WON IT ONE TIME, WE WON IT ONE TIME, THE JOHNSTONES PAINT TROPHY, WE'VE WON IT ONE TIME" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 I would say any English team that has a European Cup (that is a Champions league to some of you) to its name is bigger than saints... Villa or Forest To give it some balance; I wouldn't necessarily agree. The size of a club IMO is determined only in small part by its history, but more of its general size now and the potential and likelihood for future growth. "Big" clubs change all the time; the biggest 6 clubs in England now aren't the same biggest 6 from 50 years ago. While history shows a record of the past there has to be some sort of timescale on it for how relevant it is to today. For instance, I wouldn't say that our period in the mid 80s where we finished second and qualified for Europe a few times has much bearing at all on the size of club we are right now. The past 10 - 20 years are far more of an accurate baromoter for me. And in any case, Forest won the European Cup precisely by being a smaller type club, and it was testatment to the skills of Clough and Taylor that they were able to reach such success over much bigger rivals at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 To give it some balance; I wouldn't necessarily agree. The size of a club IMO is determined only in small part by its history, but more of its general size now and the potential and likelihood for future growth. "Big" clubs change all the time; the biggest 6 clubs in England now aren't the same biggest 6 from 50 years ago. While history shows a record of the past there has to be some sort of timescale on it for how relevant it is to today. For instance, I wouldn't say that our period in the mid 80s where we finished second and qualified for Europe a few times has much bearing at all on the size of club we are right now. The past 10 - 20 years are far more of an accurate baromoter for me. And in any case, Forest won the European Cup precisely by being a smaller type club, and it was testatment to the skills of Clough and Taylor that they were able to reach such success over much bigger rivals at the time. didnt they buy the first £1m player...was that a world record at the time...? surely that raised a few eyebrows and created certain head lines........ meanwhile, we might loan a defender from barcelona.... I would actually say there is little difference on paper between saints and forest but they have a double european cup win to their name..which is incredible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 didnt they buy the first £1m player...was that a world record at the time...? surely that raised a few eyebrows and created certain head lines........ meanwhile, we might loan a defender from barcelona.... I would actually say there is little difference on paper between saints and forest but they have a double european cup win to their name..which is incredible And we bought the European footballer of year around the time they got Francis. All in all, yes, probably accurate to say that there's little difference on paper between us, and just one European Cup is an amazing achievement, two is phenomenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 (edited) all together now.... "WE WON IT ONE TIME, WE WON IT ONE TIME, THE JOHNSTONES PAINT TROPHY, WE'VE WON IT ONE TIME" Seriously, I don't get it. Why do you seem to take so much pleasure in taking p1ss out of Saints? If you're not a skate - and I don't believe for one minute you are - then you must make these comments because you're a huge WUM, but then you don't come across as a 10 year-old either. Like I say, I don't get it. Back on track - as I said before, when taking into account what has happened since he came here, the future looks bright indeed. Whether that transpires into a top four place remains to be seen, but does it matter? I think someone once mentioned it's the climb that counts. Sometimes I wonder whether ManUre fans get bored watching the same old every week. Edited 30 January, 2013 by Saint Fan CaM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 didnt they buy the first £1m player...was that a world record at the time...? surely that raised a few eyebrows and created certain head lines........ meanwhile, we might loan a defender from barcelona.... I would actually say there is little difference on paper between saints and forest but they have a double european cup win to their name..which is incredible They have also won the League Cup 4 times and the FA Cup twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Fulham are a bigger club than us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Seriously, I don't get it. Why do you seem to take so much pleasure in taking p1ss out of Saints? If you're not a skate - and I don't believe for one minute you are - then you must make these comments because you're a huge WUM, but then you don't come across as a 10 year-old either. Like I say, I don't get it. Back on track - as I said before, when taking into account what has happened since he came here, the future looks bright indeed. Whether that transpires into a top four place remains to be seen, but does it matter? I think someone once mentioned it's the climb that counts. Sometimes I wonder whether ManUre fans get bored watching the same old every week. According to Cortese's interview with Sky, its top 6 within 3 or 4 years. “If we can keep the team together for another three or four years, we have a very, very good chance to establish ourselves amongst the top six in the league." So if a CEO is going to make such a bold statement, its natural that the fans are going to discuss it, and ask how realistic an ambition it is. And to know where you're going, you need to know where you are (and where you've been). Does it matter? Of course not. But its a conversation point, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 According to Cortese's interview with Sky, its top 6 within 3 or 4 years. “If we can keep the team together for another three or four years, we have a very, very good chance to establish ourselves amongst the top six in the league." So if a CEO is going to make such a bold statement, its natural that the fans are going to discuss it, and ask how realistic an ambition it is. And to know where you're going, you need to know where you are (and where you've been). Does it matter? Of course not. But its a conversation point, that's for sure. Oh, sure I don't mind having a sensible discussion about the possibility and how it might happen - in fact I'd enjoy that. What I find hard to tolerate is posters who dismiss the idea with comments by labelling those who believe as "mentalists" or similar. Or those that base future aspirations on historical events. Neither of those positions make any sense atall to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 What have Villa ever done anyway? Won the European Cup ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 According to Cortese's interview with Sky, its top 6 within 3 or 4 years. “If we can keep the team together for another three or four years, we have a very, very good chance to establish ourselves amongst the top six in the league." So if a CEO is going to make such a bold statement, its natural that the fans are going to discuss it, and ask how realistic an ambition it is. And to know where you're going, you need to know where you are (and where you've been). Does it matter? Of course not. But its a conversation point, that's for sure. Interesting to see the moving goalposts and lower ambitions Cortese has. WHen we were talking to Buttner it was "challenge Man City" now it's "top 6 place in 3-4 years" aalong with cavets of keeping the team together. At this rate it'll be "stay in the division" and "survival is success" in a couple of year. What happened to reaching for the heavens? What happened to challenging for the title? massive tsk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Seriously, I don't get it. Why do you seem to take so much pleasure in taking p1ss out of Saints? If you're not a skate - and I don't believe for one minute you are - then you must make these comments because you're a huge WUM, but then you don't come across as a 10 year-old either. Like I say, I don't get it. Back on track - as I said before, when taking into account what has happened since he came here, the future looks bright indeed. Whether that transpires into a top four place remains to be seen, but does it matter? I think someone once mentioned it's the climb that counts. Sometimes I wonder whether ManUre fans get bored watching the same old every week. I was being serious. It's a good song, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 What have Villa ever done anyway? Finishing sixth three seasons in a row? Effing pitiful. If Cortese thinks he can dish that kind if horsesh it up and expect us to be thankful he can think again. We need to do far better than this. All my hopes dreams and aspirations for the rest of my life are wrapped up in my football club finishing fourth. And that hope alone, expressed on a messageboard, means we will do it. Last century Villa were once the aristocrats of English football. As Alpine points out won European cup and loads of domestic titles and cups There is history pre premier league, although anyone under 40 doesn't seem to think so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Last century Villa were once the aristocrats of English football. As Alpine points out won European cup and loads of domestic titles and cups There is history pre premier league, although anyone under 40 doesn't seem to think so... They are a smallish midlands club who punched above their weight for a while, that is all. They have no huge catchment area like we do. They dont have a stadium which can be expanded easily by 150%. Villa have peaked, they have no room for expansion, they have achieved all they can and are a team of the past. THey are in decline and in 30 years time people will talk about them like they do Preston and Blackpool, Peter Withe and Paul McGrath will be spoken about by this generation like our granparents spoke about Tom Finney. We however are on the up. We are only just scratching the surface of our potential and there is every reason to think we will overtake them and their pitiful attendances very soon. They might go on about winning a couple of trophies at a time when anyone could win them, even tiny Forest won the European cup and league twice, anyone could do it back then. We however can march into fourth place and sweep all before us. It's ours for the taking and we are on the cusp of glory i can feel it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 They are a smallish midlands club who punched above their weight for a while, that is all. They have no huge catchment area like we do. They dont have a stadium which can be expanded easily by 150%. Villa have peaked, they have no room for expansion, they have achieved all they can and are a team of the past. THey are in decline and in 30 years time people will talk about them like they do Preston and Blackpool, Peter Withe and Paul McGrath will be spoken about by this generation like our granparents spoke about Tom Finney. We however are on the up. We are only just scratching the surface of our potential and there is every reason to think we will overtake them and their pitiful attendances very soon. They might go on about winning a couple of trophies at a time when anyone could win them, even tiny Forest won the European cup and league twice, anyone could do it back then. We however can march into fourth place and sweep all before us. It's ours for the taking and we are on the cusp of glory i can feel it. Dont you think every clubs fans says that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Dont you think every clubs fans says that? Villas probably dont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Neither do we, I can see us marching into the top four with our squad, Hooiveld, Fox and Fonte wooo hooooooooooo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 I was being serious. It's a good song, no? lol - not in the context you've quoted it...no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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