Gemmel Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 I met someone yesterday that has done some football business with Cortese. It wouldnt be fair on either if them to say who it was, but expecting to hear how terrible it was dealing with us, it turned out to be the complete opposite and Cortese was a real gent. We also paid early as well. I've heard the horror stories and it was the first time I have met anyway who has actually had to deal with the guy from a business perspective, but given all the bad press he gets, I thought it was worth sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 Propaganda, it couldn't possibly be true. You've got your head in the sand. Cortese is the devil incarnate, MLT said so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 I met someone yesterday that has done some football business with Cortese. It wouldnt be fair on either if them to say who it was, but expecting to hear how terrible it was dealing with us, it turned out to be the complete opposite and Cortese was a real gent. We also paid early as well. I've heard the horror stories and it was the first time I have met anyway who has actually had to deal with the guy from a business perspective, but given all the bad press he gets, I thought it was worth sharing. Anyone related to Rangers since we paid for Steven Davis instead of waiting the verdict if he was available on a free or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 Time to get the popcorn out methinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 I've also come across somebody in business who was very complimentary about him and the way that he handled their contract with the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 Anyone related to Rangers since we paid for Steven Davis instead of waiting the verdict if he was available on a free or not? Any chance we got a good deal for setting the precedent ahead of any verdict? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 With these things it all depends on the clear expectations of the service or goods in terms of quality etc. I suspect that NC demands things done his way and to his interpretation of quality. YOu meet these nad I am sure the transaction will be professional and 'easy'. You dont and I dare say it wont be pretty. Unfortunately, in this day and age, too often business is conducted prior to establishing clear expectation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 This can't possibly be true. Only information which fits the cut out on here need apply! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 Cheers for posting the insight Gemmel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 No matter what anyone has said (and I've agreed with a lot of it), Cortese knows how to run a business, that's for sure. Good to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudders Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 Propaganda, it couldn't possibly be true. You've got your head in the sand. Cortese is the devil incarnate, MLT said so. Agreed. Gemmel is obviously a Cortese PR plant that was sent to join the forum years in advance of the takeover and wait for activation. Yesterday whist walking through the park an unknown person walked past him and uttered the words that awoke him and he's now on his mission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 Any chance we got a good deal for setting the precedent ahead of any verdict? We got a bad deal because we paid money and ended up with Davis who is awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 considering his business background....can read on Wikipedia..he's obviously been dealing with clients who have high expectations, and he demands nothing less when he's running the show at SMS. Don't forget it was NC who first took the Saints deal to Marcus Liebherr.....who obviously saw the potential and (more or less ) said ..." put my money where your mouth is ...." and according to one report on this site - ML had said at the time.....I'll buy it ..if you run it . Cortese took him at his word and is true to that promise. he has certainly been controversial in the past (Pardew, Adkins) but he clearly has a vision and will follow his own intuition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 Just come out of a meeting with NC. A real gent and gave me a free season ticket and free membership to the Dell Sports Bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 Just come out of a meeting with NC. A real gent and gave me a free season ticket and free membership to the Dell Sports Bar. It doesn't count unless you put it on twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 Just come out of a meeting with NC. A real gent and gave me a free season ticket and free membership to the Dell Sports Bar. CAREFUL !.....you'll get branded as being " pro-Cortese ":scared: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 I know and have spoken to a couple of people that have had business dealings with Mr Cortese for the transfer and loan of players. Clearly I will not be detailing exactly who, although a few people on here are aware of this information. The tales I have heard do not follow Gemmel's contact's experience, in fact the complete opposite. But then I've often been accused of having an anti-Cortese agenda, so I'm probably best off ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 I met someone yesterday that has done some football business with Cortese. It wouldnt be fair on either if them to say who it was, but expecting to hear how terrible it was dealing with us, it turned out to be the complete opposite and Cortese was a real gent. We also paid early as well. I've heard the horror stories and it was the first time I have met anyway who has actually had to deal with the guy from a business perspective, but given all the bad press he gets, I thought it was worth sharing. Gemmel is clearly a spokesperson for the Cult of Cortese. I find it quite interesting that people seem to think NC is either a good or bad businessman and discusses his dealings with customers and suppliers. The truth is that his bckground is in commercial background with a touch of sport management. He has no background working with consumer type customers or with dealing with suppliers in the construction or entertainment or other industries involved in running a football club. Although I am sure he gets involved he has people appointed for this sort of thing, not surprising that in general some business dealings go well and some maybe not ideally, thats how business works. But maybe a little inexperience in the early days might explain some of the episodes that have been blown up out of all proportion in the past. Cortese is really no more of a successful business man (i.e successul at running a company) than was Lowe, whose background was also in investment banking and running a retirement home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 I know and have spoken to a couple of people that have had business dealings with Mr Cortese for the transfer and loan of players. Clearly I will not be detailing exactly who, although a few people on here are aware of this information. The tales I have heard do not follow Gemmel's contact's experience, in fact the complete opposite. But then I've often been accused of having an anti-Cortese agenda, so I'm probably best off ignored. Don't doubt your source Krackers although I'm sure if you were to ask the multiple agents, brokers, Chairman etc on any one CEO's conduct during transfers, some stories would be favourable, others not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 I met someone yesterday that has done some football business with Cortese. It wouldnt be fair on either if them to say who it was, but expecting to hear how terrible it was dealing with us, it turned out to be the complete opposite and Cortese was a real gent. We also paid early as well. I've heard the horror stories and it was the first time I have met anyway who has actually had to deal with the guy from a business perspective, but given all the bad press he gets, I thought it was worth sharing. Oh dear oh dear, this will not sit well with the cool-cats on here who insist it's essential to hate Cortese or else you're a "mong". Therefore, this simply cannot be true. CORTESE OUT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 CAREFUL !.....you'll get branded as being " pro-Cortese ":scared: Until I see or hear something which is detrimental to the future of our club or any behaviour which impacts the players on the pitch, I will not be anti-Cortese but I appreciate the work which needs doing to improve supporter communication and PR with the wider press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 We got a bad deal because we paid money and ended up with Davis who is awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 Don't doubt your source Krackers although I'm sure if you were to ask the multiple agents, brokers, Chairman etc on any one CEO's conduct during transfers, some stories would be favourable, others not so much. I wholeheatedly agree, Diggo. Just relaying the only first hand info I have, and others can make their own choice. You have a PM btw (how exciting!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 I know and have spoken to a couple of people that have had business dealings with Mr Cortese for the transfer and loan of players. Clearly I will not be detailing exactly who, although a few people on here are aware of this information. The tales I have heard do not follow Gemmel's contact's experience, in fact the complete opposite. But then I've often been accused of having an anti-Cortese agenda, so I'm probably best off ignored. Same as the 'anti-Cortese' people dismiss anything coming directly from the club or positive news as propoganda or 'fluff' that should be ignored. Perhaps some balance would be beneficial to all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 Some business deals go smoother than others due to compatible personalities shocker. (Sorry trousers) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 We got a bad deal because we paid money and ended up with Davis who is awful. what do you expect for 800K ? 800K is bottom end NPC standard at best, there are very few bargains about when you're talking top class footballers. If you want real quality for not much you have to go rummaging around in youth teams for it and take a chance whether you'll get any end product or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 I met someone yesterday that has done some football business with Cortese. It wouldnt be fair on either if them to say who it was, but expecting to hear how terrible it was dealing with us, it turned out to be the complete opposite and Cortese was a real gent. We also paid early as well. I've heard the horror stories and it was the first time I have met anyway who has actually had to deal with the guy from a business perspective, but given all the bad press he gets, I thought it was worth sharing. Hello Nicola! Your English is improving! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Red Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 How do you define good and bad in this context? 1) Paid over the odds for a player and settles ahead of time - I'm sure they think he was a pleasure to do business with, but that's not good for us 2) Refused a last minute pay hike by agent of player about to sign - makes him a c*nt and difficult to deal with in the eyes of player/agent/selling club, but makes him a bloody good chairman in my eyes. How you apply that to NC is definitely down to your own agenda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 I wholeheatedly agree, Diggo. Just relaying the only first hand info I have, and others can make their own choice. You have a PM btw (how exciting!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 How do you define good and bad in this context? 1) Paid over the odds for a player and settles ahead of time - I'm sure they think he was a pleasure to do business with, but that's not good for us 2) Refused a last minute pay hike by agent of player about to sign - makes him a c*nt and difficult to deal with in the eyes of player/agent/selling club, but makes him a bloody good chairman in my eyes. How you apply that to NC is definitely down to your own agenda That's the black and white of it, but there are thousands of shades of gray in between. Agenda doesn't come in to it (at least for most sensible people it doesn't). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 Hello Nicola! Your English is improving! ;-) How long is our Pochettino going to need to achieve the same standard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Red Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 That's the black and white of it, but there are thousands of shades of gray in between. Agenda doesn't come in to it (at least for most sensible people it doesn't). I guess what I'm saying is that anyone can see it how they want. If you want to see NC as pure evil then he's certainly provided enough amo and that's before the rumour and bull**** that some want to believe too. If you want to see him as God's gift then that's pretty easy too. Back in the PL, signing £12m players. It's a no win argument. I suppose if NC is the biggest thing for fans to be split over then we haven't got any major issues as a club at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 28 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 28 January, 2013 I know and have spoken to a couple of people that have had business dealings with Mr Cortese for the transfer and loan of players. Clearly I will not be detailing exactly who, although a few people on here are aware of this information. The tales I have heard do not follow Gemmel's contact's experience, in fact the complete opposite. But then I've often been accused of having an anti-Cortese agenda, so I'm probably best off ignored. And thats the flip side, I guess it all depends on who you speak with and how the deal went. I think Cortese is a bell end for the way he has treated Adkins (Not for firing him) and I could post stories that I beleive to be true on here about him that would melt this board, so I certainly wouldn't consider myself a cortese fan, but the only person that I have met that has had football dealings with him, spoke very highly of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 That's the black and white of it, but there are thousands of shades of gray in between. Agenda doesn't come in to it (at least for most sensible people it doesn't). That could be the title for his biography. Might not reach the intended audience though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 And thats the flip side, I guess it all depends on who you speak with and how the deal went. I think Cortese is a bell end for the way he has treated Adkins (Not for firing him) and I could post stories that I beleive to be true on here about him that would melt this board, so I certainly wouldn't consider myself a cortese fan, but the only person that I have met that has had football dealings with him, spoke very highly of him. I'm guessing that he/she isn't either a) an agent, or b) somebody who used to get something for nothing from the club, but doesn't any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 I've also come across somebody in business who was very complimentary about him and the way that he handled their contract with the club. your mutual "business" friend wouldn't happen to be a lady who asks for payment up front for her services would it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 Do you remember the woman who went into labour whilst queuing for to keys. The don gave the new born a free season ticket for life... He can't be all bad can he. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 your mutual "business" friend wouldn't happen to be a lady who asks for payment up front for her services would it ? I have no need of any such services and I very much doubt that Cortese does either. Is this an area where you have some expertise though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 Just to add a bit of balance, I know a service provide who states Saints can be a nightmare to deal with and are invariable late paying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 Just to add a bit of balance, I know a service provide who states Saints can be a nightmare to deal with and are invariable late paying. Although, to be fair, it's worth noting that the vast majority of professional football clubs are REALLY **** when it comes to paying suppliers on time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 Although, to be fair, it's worth noting that the vast majority of professional football clubs are REALLY **** when it comes to paying suppliers on time. Indeed, they do get paid eventually but Saints are certainly the worst culprits of the clubs he deals with. Also, this isn't directly NC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardc Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 I met someone yesterday that has done some football business with Cortese. It wouldnt be fair on either if them to say who it was, but expecting to hear how terrible it was dealing with us, it turned out to be the complete opposite and Cortese was a real gent. We also paid early as well. I've heard the horror stories and it was the first time I have met anyway who has actually had to deal with the guy from a business perspective, but given all the bad press he gets, I thought it was worth sharing. I take it that it was n't Nigel Adkins that you met yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 Just to add a bit of balance, I know a service provide who states Saints can be a nightmare to deal with and are invariable late paying. Surely it would be unlikely that NC would be directly involved in something like this. Perhaps a note directly to him about it might lead to a couple of backsides being kicked. Mind you I'm only speculating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 We got a bad deal because we paid money and ended up with Davis who is awful. I nearly posted the same immediately to answer my own question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 Surely it would be unlikely that NC would be directly involved in something like this. Perhaps a note directly to him about it might lead to a couple of backsides being kicked. Mind you I'm only speculating. I would certainly make sure that the service I was providing was pretty damned perfect before squealing to NC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 Although, to be fair, it's worth noting that the vast majority of professional football clubs are REALLY **** when it comes to paying suppliers on time. They can't be as bad as banks..... shocking how late they pay invoices to small suppliers sometimes.... over 6 months late isn't unheard of.... especially given the toys they throw out of the pram should you or I be a day late paying a credit card bill or such like.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 Agreed. Gemmel is obviously a Cortese PR plant that was sent to join the forum years in advance of the takeover and wait for activation. Yesterday whist walking through the park an unknown person walked past him and uttered the words that awoke him and he's now on his mission. LOL. Now even I dont see Cortese resorting to Lowe-camp tactics! I remember when the Lowe PR people were caught posting on here, which was a great complement to the reach and respect this messageboard has amongst the Saints fraternity (mind you - you could post more than 3 comments for free then!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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