Time to re-open the St. Mary's Train Station Debate?

[Faz]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-rail-transport/9824906/Beeching-stations-could-reopen-with-Government-cash.html

[Mouldy Coat]

Not sure how far £20m government cash would stretch. That would probably only be enough for a new St Mary's station + 2 or 3 others around the country. Not a lot when you put it into perspective.

[John Boy Saint]

Reading that, there is more chance of the Southwestern House station being reserected than a football stadium platform that will see the highest volumes 19 out of 365 days....................... Saints would have to dip into their own pockets for a "station" to be built alongside SMS.

[Bucks Saint]

Zero chance of this happening in this market. SFC would have to pay = will not happen

[Sour Mash]

100% not going to happen and not at all needed.

[The Kraken]

I don't see the point of opening the stadium platform. It would only be used once every other week; and besides St. Mary's already has very good transport links. Including the whole bus network, there are also at least 3 different train stations (including So'ton Central) within a 15-20 minute walk of the stadium.

[John Smith]

I doubt it will happen, but it would be very cool if it ever did. 'The next station is Saint Marys, please alight here for Chamions League'!

[spyinthesky]

I agree that the cost of a rail platform will not be cost effective

 

Going off on a tangent how many clubs have or did have their own railway station?

 

Hull City (at Boothferry Park) and Man Utd come to mind and Arsenal had an Underground Station renamed in their honour

 

Also recollect that Bolton had a railway line at the back of their ground at Burnden Park

[LozzaTheSaint]

Exeter have one as well

[Jeff Le Taxi]

Not very forward thinking you lot! the area is absolutely RIPE for development... cement works..stadium expansion etc! how about people coming to the stadium on non football days? buying tickets, corporate events etc.

Absolutely SURE Cortese has these things in mind.

How much can electrifying the lines and a small platform actually cost? and with the government offering funding I'd say it was a no brainer.

[The Kraken]

Not very forward thinking you lot! the area is absolutely RIPE for development... cement works..stadium expansion etc! how about people coming to the stadium on non football days? buying tickets, corporate events etc.

Absolutely SURE Cortese has these things in mind.

How much can electrifying the lines and a small platform actually cost? and with the government offering funding I'd say it was a no brainer.

 

If there are a multitude of shops and bars built down there I don't think the lack of a train station right on the doorstep is going to be a massive hindrance.

[hutch]

Do we really want the sort of people who have to use public transport at our club?

[Sour Mash]

Not very forward thinking you lot! the area is absolutely RIPE for development... cement works..stadium expansion etc! how about people coming to the stadium on non football days? buying tickets, corporate events etc.

Absolutely SURE Cortese has these things in mind.

How much can electrifying the lines and a small platform actually cost? and with the government offering funding I'd say it was a no brainer.

What train services are you proposing should be run to this station?

[Mowgli]

Get ABP on board too. It's a nonsense that southampton is the UKs premier cruise port yet the docks are not served by rail. Same line would do the trick.

[Barry Sanchez]

The docks are served by rail, it could be possible to have a terminal end 1 platform service to Waterloo and ease congestion at Southampton Central until that redevopment takes place (when will that ever happen), it could happen.

[South City Si]

Can't see the harm with having a light railway say between Central, St Denys then go to Stadium and onto the old dock station/Oxford Street.

If, as already mentionned, something was developed at the stadium (bars. hotels, etc, then this would help) also could liven up Ocean Village area.

Raises the question what happenned to the tram 'spine' idea for Town?

[Barry Sanchez]

Can't see the harm with having a light railway say between Central, St Denys then go to Stadium and onto the old dock station/Oxford Street.

If, as already mentionned, something was developed at the stadium (bars. hotels, etc, then this would help) also could liven up Ocean Village area.

Raises the question what happenned to the tram 'spine' idea for Town?

 

A light railway on the mainline?

[Didcot Saint]

By the way, Staitions are called RAILWAY STATIONS, not train stations.

Thank you but the slang definitions creeping into our great language **** me right off...

[CB Fry]

By the way, Staitions are called RAILWAY STATIONS, not train stations.

Thank you but the slang definitions creeping into our great language **** me right off...

 

Train station is not slang unless you live in 1942.

 

You sound like someone who needlessly gets upset by split infinitives.

[angelman]

If any money was going to be spent, I would far rather that it be put towards another or bigger bridge across the tracks. As for the station (which I don't use to get to the game), Soton Central isn't too far away and I am not sure saving a 20 minute walk could justify opening a new platform.

[Restark19]

By the way, Staitions are called RAILWAY STATIONS, not train stations.

Thank you but the slang definitions creeping into our great language **** me right off...

 

It's actually stations not staitions. Thanks.

[70's Mike]

Not very forward thinking you lot! the area is absolutely RIPE for development... cement works..stadium expansion etc! how about people coming to the stadium on non football days? buying tickets, corporate events etc.

Absolutely SURE Cortese has these things in mind.

How much can electrifying the lines and a small platform actually cost? and with the government offering funding I'd say it was a no brainer.

 

but the line goes no where

[Barry Sanchez]

but the line goes no where

 

It does not need to, to justify its opening you could have an hourly stopping service to Waterloo or Portsmouth/Fareham via Eastleigh, been looked into for a while. a one platform terminal end station. Pathways could be difficult though.

 

 

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[Whitey Grandad]

Can't see the harm with having a light railway say between Central, St Denys then go to Stadium and onto the old dock station/Oxford Street.

If, as already mentionned, something was developed at the stadium (bars. hotels, etc, then this would help) also could liven up Ocean Village area.

Raises the question what happenned to the tram 'spine' idea for Town?

I think it went the same way as the Gosport tram from Fareham. The government would never fund it so the County Council gave up on the idea. Shame, what South Hampshire desperately needs is a tram/light railway network. Instead the country has been pouring money into the welfare state with very little to show for it.

[spyinthesky]

Get ABP on board too. It's a nonsense that southampton is the UKs premier cruise port yet the docks are not served by rail. Same line would do the trick.

 

As Barry Sanchez correctly pointed out, the port has three rail access points, one in the Eastern Docks (via Northam and Canute Road past St Marys, and two in the Western Docks)

 

Back in the 1990's East Anglian Railways looked at building a station just inside the Canute Rd Dock entrance to serve the Ocean Village/Downtown area but, more importantly to them, allow direct access to their core East Anglian market by a route avoiding the main London Terminii.

 

The cost of electrifying the spur from Northam, building a (modest) station and pricing in the cost of this and surrounding land for taxis/cars etc never stacked up so was abandoned at an early stage.

 

Meanwhile the Northam spur line is increasingly busy with regular, diesel hauled, car trains and the occasional cruise passenger train

[Elias]

I think it went the same way as the Gosport tram from Fareham. The government would never fund it so the County Council gave up on the idea. Shame, what South Hampshire desperately needs is a tram/light railway network. Instead the country has been pouring money into the welfare state with very little to show for it.

 

A Tyne-Wear Metro style light railway network between Southampton and p.mpey would make a lot of sense really.

[The Kraken]

A Tyne-Wear Metro style light railway network between Southampton and p.mpey would make a lot of sense really.

 

Would it? Is there not a decent railway network that already serves So'ton and Pompey plus the notable towns, villages and suburbs in between?

 

If the stadium area is redeveloped then I'd prefer any investment in infrastructure to go on a tram network akin to Manchester, connecting St. Mary's, a developed Ocean Village and Mayflower Park with below bar, above bar and London Road.

[Elias]

Would it? Is there not a decent railway network that already serves So'ton and Pompey plus the notable towns, villages and suburbs in between?

 

If the stadium area is redeveloped then I'd prefer any investment in infrastructure to go on a tram network akin to Manchester, connecting St. Mary's, a developed Ocean Village and Mayflower Park with below bar, above bar and London Road.

 

 

Some services are very infrequent and many areas aren't well covered.

[The Kraken]

Some services are very infrequent and many areas aren't well covered.

 

Really? I thought it was decent myself. Sometimes used to catch it to work when I had an office in Swanwick and it was really good. Never very packed either, so a service about every hour seemed about right. The line pretty much follows the A27 so I don't see too many places are left out.

[Elias]

Really? I thought it was decent myself. Sometimes used to catch it to work when I had an office in Swanwick and it was really good. Never very packed either, so a service about every hour seemed about right.

 

I'd agree some services aren't packed. A more comprehensive system might offer an alternative to the car though and could actually be environmentally and economically beneficial.

[Barry Sanchez]

As Barry Sanchez correctly pointed out, the port has three rail access points, one in the Eastern Docks (via Northam and Canute Road past St Marys, and two in the Western Docks)

 

Back in the 1990's East Anglian Railways looked at building a station just inside the Canute Rd Dock entrance to serve the Ocean Village/Downtown area but, more importantly to them, allow direct access to their core East Anglian market by a route avoiding the main London Terminii.

 

The cost of electrifying the spur from Northam, building a (modest) station and pricing in the cost of this and surrounding land for taxis/cars etc never stacked up so was abandoned at an early stage.

 

Meanwhile the Northam spur line is increasingly busy with regular, diesel hauled, car trains and the occasional cruise passenger train

 

It could be done and would relieve the pressure on Southampton platforms until the new stations is built (yes I am an optimist), a light rail system over the current lines simply would not work and anybody who says it would knows little of how a metro/light rail system works, if you had a frequent triangular service between Soton/Fareham/pom*ey and Eastleigh where would the regional services fit on the line?

As I say it could be done but it would not be profitable but would be a very useful addition to the City and it would grow traffic in that side of the City for an hourly train service to Waterloo or pom*ey.

[Whitey Grandad]

I remember talking to some local planner chappie about this and he said that it was even possible to run a single line over the centre of the Itchen Bridge. The rail spur into Hamble is still there in theory although it hasn't been used since the 1960s. This is one of those situations where people would use the system if it existed. The present rail link through to Fareham only runs hourly and is too expensive.

[Barry Sanchez]

I remember talking to some local planner chappie about this and he said that it was even possible to run a single line over the centre of the Itchen Bridge. The rail spur into Hamble is still there in theory although it hasn't been used since the 1960s. This is one of those situations where people would use the system if it existed. The present rail link through to Fareham only runs hourly and is too expensive.

 

Interesting Whitey as it seems you were talking to a planner who knew nothing about what he was saying, what system would be in place firstly (there are many problems with that whole idea but lets start with the first one) for the units to get over a gradient like the itchen bridge and then come down it again easily and safely?

[Victor]

Train station is not slang unless you live in 1942.

 

You sound like someone who needlessly gets upset by split infinitives.

 

Actually, I think you'll find it was NOT slang in 1942.

 

It is the American term for a railway station which seems to have become common usage in an age when kids learn their language from the television, video games or whatever rather than being taught English at school.

 

Probably the same people who say "lay" when they mean "lie", "like" when they mean "such as" and "invariably" when they mean "more often than not".

 

HTH

[The Kraken]

Actually, I think you'll find it was NOT slang in 1942.

 

It is the American term for a railway station which seems to have become common usage in an age when kids learn their language from the television, video games or whatever rather than being taught English at school.

 

Probably the same people who say "lay" when they mean "lie", "like" when they mean "such as" and "invariably" when they mean "more often than not".

 

HTH

 

The US English is railroad station.

 

Train station is common between English and US English. railway station is simply the more formal term.

[Saint Fan CaM]

Do we really want the sort of people who have to use public transport at our club?

 

Thank you. Coffee over monitor moment there.

[Barry Sanchez]

The US English is railroad station.

 

Train station is common between English and US English. railway station is simply the more formal term.

 

Correct.

[Whitey Grandad]

Interesting Whitey as it seems you were talking to a planner who knew nothing about what he was saying, what system would be in place firstly (there are many problems with that whole idea but lets start with the first one) for the units to get over a gradient like the itchen bridge and then come down it again easily and safely?

 

It was at some local planning exhibition thingy. He was deadly serious too. I would assume that a tram set would be able to climb such a gradient, after all, buses can.

 

After some brief research:

 

Up to 9.6%: http://www.andrewgrantham.co.uk/gmunden-trams-austria/

Supertrams in Sheffield are up to 10% but need all axles motored.

http://www.bathtram.org/tfb/tQ02.htm

 

The next question is 'what is the maximum gradient for the Itchen Bridge?' I think it's 'not much'.

[Barry Sanchez]

Whitey

Trust me that would not work, thats a tram for a start, would you expect people to use that from where to where?

The failed supertram in Sheffield runs on what exactly?

Light rail is for inter urban transport in highly populated areas, it would not work.

[70's Mike]

It does not need to, to justify its opening you could have an hourly stopping service to Waterloo or Portsmouth/Fareham via Eastleigh, been looked into for a while. a one platform terminal end station. Pathways could be difficult though.

 

 

Sent from my iphone6 using tappa****e.

 

But who would want to use it the other 13 days a fortnight

[CB Fry]

Actually, I think you'll find it was NOT slang in 1942.

 

It is the American term for a railway station which seems to have become common usage in an age when kids learn their language from the television, video games or whatever rather than being taught English at school.

 

Probably the same people who say "lay" when they mean "lie", "like" when they mean "such as" and "invariably" when they mean "more often than not".

 

HTH

 

Please tell me you're not an English teacher. If you are, please keep away from my children.

 

Your moans are pointless archaic whining. Language evolves and English in particular evolves more quickly and more interestinglier than any other language.

 

I'd stick to writing letters to the Daily Express about incorrect apostrophes or how you once heard a child say "candy" in the post office queue.

 

Invariably, none of this aint got like nothing to do with Saints and that's no lay.

Edited 25 January, 2013 by CB Fry

[The9]

Please tell me you're not an English teacher. If you are, please keep away from my children.

 

Your moans are pointless archaic whining. Language evolves and English in particular evolves more quickly and more interestinglier than any other language.

 

I'd stick to writing letters to the Daily Express about incorrect apostrophes or how you once heard a child say "candy" in the post office queue.

 

Invariably, none of this aint got like nothing to do with Saints and that's no lay.

 

As a pedant and grammar nazi, it is strange to find myself on this side of the fence, but I agree. "Train station" is perfectly acceptable English.

 

However, incorrect apostrophes are an entirely different category.

 

My English teacher used to say "pacific", FFS. This was in 1989, what chance did we have ?

[Barry Sanchez]

But who would want to use it the other 13 days a fortnight

 

People wanting Eastern Southampton it could be used so another fast service could be used from Soton Cent to Waterloo, of course more staff and cost required but long terms plans etc etc.

[Victor]

Please tell me you're not an English teacher. If you are, please keep away from my children.

 

Your moans are pointless archaic whining. Language evolves and English in particular evolves more quickly and more interestinglier than any other language.

 

I'd stick to writing letters to the Daily Express about incorrect apostrophes or how you once heard a child say "candy" in the post office queue.

 

Invariably, none of this aint got like nothing to do with Saints and that's no lay.

 

 

I heartily agree, in fact I said as much, There is, however, correct English and there is incorrect, ignorant English. 'Invariable' still means 'without variation' i.e. always. It has not evolved to mean 'usually' but is only used thus by the ignorant. Similarly, 'lay' has always been transitive verb taking an object - you lay something e.g. bricks, eggs, plans for the future - and has not evolved to be the same as the intransitive verb 'to lie'.

 

No, I am not an English teacher but I can clearly teach you to better speak (a split infinitive there, just for you) my native language.

[Tom8558]

When SMS was being built I asked the lady in the visitors centre whether they were considering building a station. I was told that it had been looked at but the cost was £3 million to build a station at SMS, one at Ocean Village near the old terminus station, and to electrify the line. I suspect that it would cost more now. Up until the mid-sixties the old Northam station was almost behind the Kingsland and was the last station before the Terminus. One of the difficulties of putting a station on the docks line is operational. The spur from Central station to the docks line has been infilled and is now part of a school playing field, so trains would either have to reverse or miss Central station.

 

A more sensible place for a station would be on the main line where the train care centre is. Unfortunately South West Trains are not keen on a station there as it would affect running times. Personally I cant see a problem with a station there that was only open on match days/evenings

 

My guess is that if SMS was ever expanded, the issue would be looked at again, as they will need to look at ways of reducing the crush. Hopefully they will also look at widening the footbridge over the line to Northam road

[saint si]

http://www.southampton.gov.uk/s-environment/policy/localplanreview/planreview-textinweb/chapter10/park-ride/waterfront.aspx

 

Council already has land earmarked for a "waterfront" station, not too far from SMS.

 

The strip of land is north of Canute Road and east of the railway line.

[RonManager]

http://www.southampton.gov.uk/s-environment/policy/localplanreview/planreview-textinweb/chapter10/park-ride/waterfront.aspx

 

Council already has land earmarked for a "waterfront" station, not too far from SMS.

 

The strip of land is north of Canute Road and east of the railway line.

 

A re-birth of Southampton Terminus?

 

How it used to look -

 

 

 

 

Same view as above after redevelopment and site of the proposed station.

 

http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/s/southampton_terminus/index.shtml

[70's Mike]

People wanting Eastern Southampton it could be used so another fast service could be used from Soton Cent to Waterloo, of course more staff and cost required but long terms plans etc etc.

 

but the current service from the central to eastern southampton and beyond is already a good service but rarely used