Horton Heath Saint Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 Lets go back to Rupert Lowe days. He thought about himself first, the money he paid himself, then SFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasiak-9- Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 Can't stand the ****. He's another Rupert Lowe. What really annoys me is how spineless the majority of our fans are. Last week when Adkins was sacked everybody was full of ideas about protests. When it came to the crunch they sang Adkins name and didn't show any kind of strength or solidarity with a Protest aimed at the chairman. How many times are we going to allow ourselves to be ****ed over by the likes of NC? I hate to say it but we're a joke of a club and an embarrassment. All talk and no action. Supporters of clubs must look at us and **** themselves laughing. The reason things like this keep happening at Saints is because the fans let it happen. They talk a good game and then accept it as if nothing has ever happened. Or because people shock horror have the temerity to disagree with your point of view? Its a shame that Adkins was sacked, because I believe that he would have kept us up and its also quite a ruthless move against someone who's been fantastic for the club. I'll never forget Adkins being asked how he was feeling at 4-0 up on the final day of the season against Coventry. "...pride?...*Adkins is tearful and has a 1000 yard stare through the tunnel at the players*..."too right its pride". However, you have to concede that Cortese has done brilliantly so far. The man has the mad ambition that most clubs could only dream their chairman had, the man really, truly, literally thinks he can take Saints to the Champions League! I personally think that's fantastic and will support him all the way. Does that mean I won't question his decisions? Course not. But there is literally no point in holding a protest against someone who, rightly or wrongly, has made a decision that he believes will be beneficial for the club, ruthless as it might be. He's not another Rupert Lowe. What Lowe did was willingly towards the detriment of the club. At worst, Cortese will make a ruthless, but honest mistake. At best, he'll have appointed an upgraded manager to help us on our way towards mid-table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 Can't stand the ****. He's another Rupert Lowe. What really annoys me is how spineless the majority of our fans are. Last week when Adkins was sacked everybody was full of ideas about protests. When it came to the crunch they sang Adkins name and didn't show any kind of strength or solidarity with a Protest aimed at the chairman. How many times are we going to allow ourselves to be ****ed over by the likes of NC? I hate to say it but we're a joke of a club and an embarrassment. All talk and no action. Supporters of clubs must look at us and **** themselves laughing. The reason things like this keep happening at Saints is because the fans let it happen. They talk a good game and then accept it as if nothing has ever happened. What did you do with your outrage? Write about it on a mongboard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasiak-9- Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 most internet people can only see black and white so you can only be one or the other. they dont understand in the real world there is a huge expanse of middle ground where normal people can be neither and both praise and criticise when either are deserved. I actually think that on this issue, an awful lot of us are feeling very much in the middle ground, but with emotions high and the events so shockingly out-of-the-blue, people just want to express something and naturally its hard to shout from the rooftops about how undecided you are. Most people aren't genuinely one-or-the-other on Cortese, they just almost wish they were so they could shout about it and express themselves. That's only my two-penneth on this latest incident of football fan psychology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 The best thing for Saints fans is to not get close to anyone at the club, the way the club conduct themselves with other people/ businesses or try and understand the reasonig behind any decision. ..... And I am being deadly serious by the way. That way you just get to enjoy what we do. I read posts on here and think you haven't got a clue and then realise they are the lucky ones. Their football is pure footbal, no politics, no malice...just football. So I won't slate anyone, there is no need, but for those that allow themselves that luxury, Just make sure you leave a crash mat underneath you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 Pro nc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 About 75% pro, 25% against. He has our best interests at heart, has a solid financial background so must be pretty solid dealing with the financial side of things (especially as it's not his money), but at the same time I think sometimes his lack of a football background shines through, especially the recent poor handling of the dismissal of Adkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 Can't stand the ****. He's another Rupert Lowe. What really annoys me is how spineless the majority of our fans are. Last week when Adkins was sacked everybody was full of ideas about protests. When it came to the crunch they sang Adkins name and didn't show any kind of strength or solidarity with a Protest aimed at the chairman. How many times are we going to allow ourselves to be ****ed over by the likes of NC? I hate to say it but we're a joke of a club and an embarrassment. All talk and no action. Supporters of clubs must look at us and **** themselves laughing. The reason things like this keep happening at Saints is because the fans let it happen. They talk a good game and then accept it as if nothing has ever happened. Can I smell drink.......We are not spineless .......by the way ......And maybe just maybe your 'majority' is not a majority at all in case you hadn't realised.....The 'protest' was weak because the cause was weak, simple as that! Many people trust NC even if they don't agree with his methods. We know nothing of what goes on behind the scenes - fans know this......Put your white hanky away and support the team... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 25 January, 2013 Share Posted 25 January, 2013 About 60% anti. Seems to know what he's doing, but also seems an unpleasant person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 25 January, 2013 Share Posted 25 January, 2013 Talksport are just taking the **** now on how crap our demonstration was on Monday, I agree it was apathy at its finest. I love the media. So they are taking the **** out of a non existent demonstration that they spent hours of airtime trying to fan the flames before the match. Hypocrites of the highest order Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 25 January, 2013 Share Posted 25 January, 2013 One of the problems with the internet, and more recently social networking, is that half a dozen people repeatedly posting and cross posting can create an illusion far greater than anything David Copperfield ever achieved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 25 January, 2013 Share Posted 25 January, 2013 For as long as I can see indications that he is taking counsel from other people with experience in football then even though I do not like him I will be Pro. Football is a results business. He's now made two massively bad "PR" decisions on Adkins and Pardew. The first one worked better than anyone could have imagined. From that he has earned the chance to make this decision, and it APPEARS that he listened to Counsel rather than did it on a whim. The minute it starts to appear that he is NOT listening or seeking counsel and starts believing he knows it all (OR starts talking down to us every day) then I will be over to help put a rope next to Rupert's on the Itchen Bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie Posted 25 January, 2013 Share Posted 25 January, 2013 A week on how do I feel? I was thinking about the turmoil of the last 7-days and I came to this conclusion. Didn't like the manner Adkins was dismissed - it came as a total shock. I was for Adkins seeing the season out and go from there. I was enjoying the football and the commitment of most of the staff. The outcry of last week has subsided a bit now. Still not happy with the way it all came about but I have moved on. You probably all remember my feelings towards a certain Chairman who to my mind was taking us nowhere, selling all our young talent, replacing managers almost as often as somepeople change their underpants. I was adamant he had to go - and like many fans I feel the stance many took finally was the straw that broke the camels back. Closing the Itchen Blocks 1, 2 and 3 was a vindictive backwards way of getting to the supporters who put the club first. I don't have any of those feelings towards our current Chairman. He may not be a very nice man (according to the legend) but I don't hate him with the passion I had for the other person. Can't say I like him - I have never (or even likely to ever) meet the man. I suspect like all businessmen he's a real charmer to some - and those who stand in his way of achieving his goals, a right b*stard! I don't know where this will all end. It could go like it did for Risdale at Leeds (living the dream) and off the back of season ticket sales and years in Europe predicted take out loans. It could all end up with us living outside our means and tumbling down the leagues again. Then again why be so negative? We could go on and be one of the most successful British clubs in Europe. Whatever happens I will still be a follower, a fan, but not necessarily a financial supporter. So for all those out there still enraged by the decision to replace Adkins - loyalty is a luxury in business. If your not good enough for the task ahead you're gone. Not saying this was the case with Adkins as he was never given a season to prove himself. As for the new guy Pochettino - time will tell. I liked the first half against Everton. It made me excited watching again. As a fan that's all I want. I'm not a glory hunter - I'd hate to be dispised like Man U fans for having a successful team. Cortese has a vision - world domination, global branding, and being bigger than the other team in East Hampshire...he f'kin hates Pompey according to the song!” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashby Saint Posted 25 January, 2013 Share Posted 25 January, 2013 I think he is a shrewd businessman who makes the right decisions for the business. Saying that I don't like the way he has sometimes gone about things like the sacking of Nigel. He would argue that you don't have to like him so long as he gets results for the shareholders but I think it also highlights the moral vacuum that exists in places within the business world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 25 January, 2013 Share Posted 25 January, 2013 How can you say that? What if Saints get relegated? Is that progression? An Argentinian manager with his fancy Spanish football trying to get out of the Championship... I don't think so. Cortese is a bell end. possibly a bigger bell end than Rupert Lowe. I have a horrible feeling that his decision will backfire horrendously. i wonder how our spineless supporters will react when it finally sinks in that they've been ****ed over by another moronic chairman? What if we don't get relegated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 25 January, 2013 Share Posted 25 January, 2013 (edited) As a person and the way he conducts himself I have nothing but contempt for the man his interpersonnel skills are zero. But for what he has done for the club so far he has not done anything wrong but I will never warm to him as a person. Edited 25 January, 2013 by Toomer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 25 January, 2013 Share Posted 25 January, 2013 For the way he has picked all aspects of the club up by the bootlaces and moved it forward then very much pro. The way he goes about some things however, Nigel's sacking and then the pettiness of removing the guy's name from our recent history, leaves a nasty taste I'm afraid. You can make an unpopular decision but still sweeten it with sugar to make yourself look a bit more classy. He desperately needs some PR advice I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 25 January, 2013 Share Posted 25 January, 2013 The forum is mostly pro, I reckon, with a few dissenters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 25 January, 2013 Share Posted 25 January, 2013 (edited) Biggest problem IMHO is that we struggle to separate our perception of personality from decisions made, strategies adopted and importantly how those are executed. As with Lowe, most fans NEVER met him, never knew what he was really like as a person, he may have been a bad man, he may not, unless you spend time with someone, and get to know them, you can’t judge their personalities - especially not form one or two interactions, that would usually be at heated moments... so all you can do is judge their actions - and how we feel about those varies and changes. When Lowe was here, we wanted ambition, to 'stretch' the budget and push on for success. Times change and perspectives change, and with the club having been through what it has, now we are happy with survival for a year or two and see the ambition as potentially destabilizing... football fans hey! In both these cases if you completely remove the person and personality from the equation - which is not easy if you have existing prejudices justified or not- and look just at the strategy and judge that, it becomes even more complex... Under Lowe, he wanted financial stability and would not risk that, with the club living within its means first and foremost and the academy providing a combination of revenue boost from sales + some new players for the first team - nothing new or novel, perhaps apart from the break even bit - considering all around us clubs were happy to take on loans and loans to fund success - most fans at saints wanted some of that too and the boards were full of 'spend some fecking money' and 'show some ambition'. Lowes biggest problem was that by not taking any risks and all around us clubs spending money they did not have, we got left behind and the moment injuries mounted up to key players, we went down.... In effect the strategy was solid as most would now agree - be financially stable, but the execution was flawed for a number of reasons, the choice of managers, the lack of any real momentum and ambition means a club will struggle to attract both decent mangers and decent players. Most saw it as black and white and hated him.... so the irony now of some advocating a middle ground is not lost on me... Move on to Cortese and again remove the personality prejudices - the on the field record has been impressive - not spectacular but impressive nonetheless - not afraid to make controversial decisions to drive forward a strategy build on the very ambition we used to crave - unrealistic to some, exiting to others, and apparently affordable. Again, unlike those down the road, major infrastructure investment in the academy and potentially in future on SMS is part of that plan - not just a spunk it all on mercenaries to buy success but a measured investment on infrastructure that is a long term legacy and value and importantly we are told vital to fulfilling the ambition - home grown talent the spine of the side - something that IMHO counters the argument that the clubs will lose its soul and identity in pursuit of this... but opinions will differ. If you are going to be the best you can, and pursue success, then most would probably feel this is not a bad strategy. Cortese though has a problem, against a perception of a bad personality, again most have not met him and rely on rumour gossip and importantly judge on actions - and as there is not really any criticism of the progress we have made to date or the strategy behind it, we look at his other 'failings' - the treatment of Adkins, the apparent airbrushing out of the clubs history of a man who delivered so much and with such good grace and humour, a man we liked, the spats with the ex-players and manager, the ticketing and car park issues, the small things that mean a lot to fans - much of which he has got wrong, some may well be justified, but again the method used to go about seemed at best callous, as worst 'disgusting'. I think many may well agree eventually that the MP replacing Adkins was a good move, time will tell, but the way in which it was done makes many uncomfortable - another potential example of a right decision, poorly executed. Ultimately though, the only way to remain sane in all this is to remove those personalities and mistakes in execution from the equation - its political at times, agenda driven at times and divisive and make a judgment on the progress it brings to the club. Some are now sitting in their ivory towers determined to stress that success at any price is not worth it and that if it comes at the expense of the club behaving in a certain way or 'losing its soul', it’s not worth it. ... a fair opinion if those very same people were happy that we did not strive for any success under Lowe. Football at the top level is as it is, Cortese did not make it such, The sky riches did and the natural evolution of the game driven by a more global audience rather than a local fanbase. You simply cannot be successful without embracing some of that charmless 'brand' based mentality some are so opposed to - it’s a necessary evil if we want to more than premierleague also rans budgeting for 17th every season and being happy with that. At least we have been told that the local part will be served by home grown talent. Edited 25 January, 2013 by Frank's cousin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 25 January, 2013 Share Posted 25 January, 2013 I'm pro his signing lots of good players and paying all the costs with Markus' money, and anti pretty much everything else he's done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 25 January, 2013 Share Posted 25 January, 2013 Pro. He's just a ruthless businessman. Not always making the popular decision, but they've mostly turned out very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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