hypochondriac Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 lol I'm serious. I know some of the gutless few on here will use it as an excuse so now they don't have one. Go talk to matt face to face as I have done and then form an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 You're right, it is no-ones business until he uses the media outlets he works in to air his grievances. To be fair I don't know what thread all these fans have been really slagging Matt off on as I haven't seen it. You are not just either pro Cortese or pro Matt. I am not pro Cortese, I am not pro Matt, but I am pro Southampton and I can see that this tete a tete is not doing the club any good. Surely you can see that? I see where your coming from. However I know a fair bit what's gone on so can see why Matt is like he is. If it was anyone on this board who was in matts situation then they would do the same if not worse. The situation will never get resolved as it will be one sided from Matt as Cortese will not be interested what so ever as he's a little rat that needs to be fed a big lump of cheese via a giant mousetrap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 Why is there a charge for what is effectively a book promo? Tickets are free but the £3 is a booking fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 Tickets are free but the £3 is a booking fee. Oh thats ok then because seetickets and people like that do it as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 Tickets are free but the £3 is a booking fee. Zing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pressingon Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 Cortese will not be interested what so ever as he's a little rat that needs to be fed a big lump of cheese via a giant mousetrap. That would leave our club where exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 That would leave our club where exactly? Probably still in the Prem, possibly with less ambitious signings and fighting relegation but with what I consider to be our values still intact, with a club that honours past legends, commemorates its history appropriately and with an aspiration to do well but also live within our means. Personally I would be very happy with being a midtable Premiership team for a number of years and we don't need Cortese and his nasty character traits to achieve that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 24 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 24 January, 2013 During the Pinnacle takeover when I posted details of the so-called investors on this forum and exposed the bid to be bogus I later that morning had one helluva row with Matt. He loves the club as much as I do but he wasn't afraid of letting rip. But he is the first bloke to own up, confess, apologise whatever and move on. He's a professional pundit these days and he speaks as he finds. Not everyone agrees with what he says and some think he should stay quiet. People seem to think if you criticise what goes on at SMS then that makes you a traitor a big mouth or whatever. From where I sit I would just like to hear genuinely held views regardless of whether I agreed with them and with Matt you get that. I remember a few months after the Wilde takeover which I very much supported. I met John Sydenham for a coffee - he was over with a young Australian lad who was on a trial. I was staggered at what John told me. The club was a mess he said, in-fighting, chaos on the training side of things, disharmony all around and he was very disillusioned. I really did not want to hear what he was saying but because I knew him to be one of the straightest guys around I sort of believed him but hoped it was just a bad week. History shows how disastrous the Wilde era was and how the wrong people were in the wrong places, as far as the health of Saints were concerned, but so many of us hated Lowe so much that we refused to believe his replacements were doing an even worse job. I am not saying NC is doing a bad job at SMS, in fact far from it, he could very well be doing an amazing job and there is no doubt he has a vision and a determination to carry it off. These are exciting if not confusing times for us fans as we look backwards at Adkins's departure and then almost instantly look forward in expectation at Pochettino's reign. As fans we basically back anyone who gives us success. There's the debate, Matt obviously does not see it quite the same way as a lot on here, so one good reason if you are free and nearby you come along to hear his reasoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 Matt Le TissierVerified@mattletiss7 Tickets available now should be a fun night for saints fans come and join uspic.twitter.com/8kLhZqow 33mJames Coffen @JCoffen17 @mattletiss7 are we allowed to ask about your friendship with Cortese?? haha #saintsfc Details Details 13mMatt Le TissierVerified @mattletiss7 @JCoffen17 yes Details Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 During the Pinnacle takeover when I posted details of the so-called investors on this forum and exposed the bid to be bogus I later that morning had one helluva row with Matt. He loves the club as much as I do but he wasn't afraid of letting rip. But he is the first bloke to own up, confess, apologise whatever and move on. He's a professional pundit these days and he speaks as he finds. Not everyone agrees with what he says and some think he should stay quiet. People seem to think if you criticise what goes on at SMS then that makes you a traitor a big mouth or whatever. From where I sit I would just like to hear genuinely held views regardless of whether I agreed with them and with Matt you get that. I'm pretty agnostic and/or ambivalent when it comes to the Cortese / Le Tissier situation but, as an observer of people with more fervent views than mine, I think what grates the MLT critics most is the frequency at which he repeats the same accusations. I don't see (m)any people saying that MLT (and anyone else come to that) shouldn't criticise Cortese at all, rather that there's a balance to be struck between "banging on about it all the time" and remaining silent. Perhaps the accusation is that MLT is too close to the former end of the scale and Cortese is firmly rooted at the latter. As I say, I'm not offering an opinion here, just an observation of the 'debate'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 24 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 24 January, 2013 I'm pretty agnostic and/or ambivalent when it comes to the Cortese / Le Tissier situation but, as an observer of people with more fervent views than mine, I think what grates the MLT critics most is the frequency at which he repeats the same accusations. I don't see (m)any people saying that MLT (and anyone else come to that) shouldn't criticise Cortese at all, rather that there's a balance to be struck between "banging on about it all the time" and remaining silent. Perhaps the accusation is that MLT is too close to the former end of the scale and Cortese is firmly rooted at the latter. As I say, I'm not offering an opinion here, just an observation of the 'debate'. That's a fair observation and a question I would like put to Matt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swannymere Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 I posted 'MLT has an EGO problem' - 'Discuss....' as a post to balance the similar "Cortese has an EGO problem - MLT' post. I don't particularly have a problem with Matt or Nicola, i do think they need they're heads knocking together as neither is looking anything other than childish. Whilst Nicola may not be popular he hasn't said anything in the public domain, whilst Matt seems to knock him at every opportunity, in fact its getting to the point where he doesn't say anything about SFC without mentioning or inferring something negative about Nicola. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 I don't think people are debating whether he is nice or not. I think it's pretty obvious that he is ruthless. However, is it wise to constantly slander him in public? Le Tiss is a straight guy and if you stick a microphone under his nose and ask him a question then I guess you are going to get an honest answer ! Is that so bad ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint George Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 During the Pinnacle takeover when I posted details of the so-called investors on this forum and exposed the bid to be bogus I later that morning had one helluva row with Matt. He loves the club as much as I do but he wasn't afraid of letting rip. But he is the first bloke to own up, confess, apologise whatever and move on. He's a professional pundit these days and he speaks as he finds. Not everyone agrees with what he says and some think he should stay quiet. People seem to think if you criticise what goes on at SMS then that makes you a traitor a big mouth or whatever. From where I sit I would just like to hear genuinely held views regardless of whether I agreed with them and with Matt you get that. I remember a few months after the Wilde takeover which I very much supported. I met John Sydenham for a coffee - he was over with a young Australian lad who was on a trial. I was staggered at what John told me. The club was a mess he said, in-fighting, chaos on the training side of things, disharmony all around and he was very disillusioned. I really did not want to hear what he was saying but because I knew him to be one of the straightest guys around I sort of believed him but hoped it was just a bad week. History shows how disastrous the Wilde era was and how the wrong people were in the wrong places, as far as the health of Saints were concerned, but so many of us hated Lowe so much that we refused to believe his replacements were doing an even worse job. I am not saying NC is doing a bad job at SMS, in fact far from it, he could very well be doing an amazing job and there is no doubt he has a vision and a determination to carry it off. These are exciting if not confusing times for us fans as we look backwards at Adkins's departure and then almost instantly look forward in expectation at Pochettino's reign. As fans we basically back anyone who gives us success. There's the debate, Matt obviously does not see it quite the same way as a lot on here, so one good reason if you are free and nearby you come along to hear his reasoning. Yup, it all turned out exactly like i said it would...To think i had the wrath of a thousand Saints fans and banned from Saint's Forever for being a Lowe luvvie and anti Wild......It was so freaking obvious to me at the time, i couldn't believe that so few peeps could see it.......And here i am watching the seeds of history slowly start to repeat its self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 Yup, it all turned out exactly like i said it would...To think i had the wrath of a thousand Saints fans and banned from Saint's Forever for being a Lowe luvvie and anti Wild......It was so freaking obvious to me at the time, i couldn't believe that so few peeps could see it.......And here i am watching the seeds of history slowly start to repeat its self. You are one of the more mental posters to grace this board. I'm not sure we should be taking advice from you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 Yup, it all turned out exactly like i said it would...To think i had the wrath of a thousand Saints fans and banned from Saint's Forever for being a Lowe luvvie and anti Wild......It was so freaking obvious to me at the time, i couldn't believe that so few peeps could see it.......And here i am watching the seeds of history slowly start to repeat its self. I think there are absoultely no similarities between the current regime and the Wild one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 Yup, it all turned out exactly like i said it would...To think i had the wrath of a thousand Saints fans and banned from Saint's Forever for being a Lowe luvvie and anti Wild......It was so freaking obvious to me at the time, i couldn't believe that so few peeps could see it.......And here i am watching the seeds of history slowly start to repeat its self. Yep all the carp people took because they were not on board with Wilde. At least FF has the backbone to come clean, although it would have been nice to hear it sooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint George Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 Well I actually think the fans got it about right. Support for the ex manager but got behind the team. Although let's not forget that people were threatened with ejection if they did show support for the ex manager. Like all good dictators he managed to quash any potential uprising by using fear. If you genuinely believe that, you should probably take a break from this forum and Saint's supporting in general for a while and try and regain some perspective.....You'll thank me for it later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 If you genuinely believe that, you should probably take a break from this forum and Saint's supporting in general for a while and try and regain some perspective.....You'll thank me for it later. How is he wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 £6 for everyone, bargain, if 60 people turn up thats only 10p each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 I'm serious. I know some of the gutless few on here will use it as an excuse so now they don't have one. Go talk to matt face to face as I have done and then form an opinion. You have an anti NC agenda and will cut off your nose to spite your face. Sit back and look at what NC wants to achieve for ALL Saints fans. If the club become very successful you and all the ant NC critics will be able to wallow in it. NC has control over the club, and his vision and ambition is something new to me as a Saints supporter for over 40 years. I had a 'as long as we survive in the league' mentality ingrained into me by a succession of owners /directors etc. NC whilst not Mr Cheerful has the drive to pull the club we love into a future that we had not believed possible. Having people on the sidelines picking at that all the time is wearing. MLT is a footballing hero to me, i worry that he will eventually lose a large part of what he achieved as time goes on. Forget not that MLT generation is getting older and a lot of the younger fans only know of his exploits by our memories, will they forgive his agitation long-term? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 You have an anti NC agenda and will cut off your nose to spite your face. Sit back and look at what NC wants to achieve for ALL Saints fans. If the club become very successful you and all the ant NC critics will be able to wallow in it. NC has control over the club, and his vision and ambition is something new to me as a Saints supporter for over 40 years. I had a 'as long as we survive in the league' mentality ingrained into me by a succession of owners /directors etc. NC whilst not Mr Cheerful has the drive to pull the club we love into a future that we had not believed possible. Having people on the sidelines picking at that all the time is wearing. MLT is a footballing hero to me, i worry that he will eventually lose a large part of what he achieved as time goes on. Forget not that MLT generation is getting older and a lot of the younger fans only know of his exploits by our memories, will they forgive his agitation long-term? suppose the issue is who should hold out the olive branch, great chance for NC to show he is the better man or is he Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 Your wasting your time Nick. If we had the nicest of nice chairman who let everyone in for free but we were in the conference they would find something about him/her to complain about. The question is as a fan what would you rather have. A legend happy because they have free tickets or whatever or a club doing well? Wether we like it or not the club is in a better place then it was last time we were in the PL. I remember back then people were *****ing saying we showed no ambition and we bought in crap journeymen players. Now look at us. Youngest squad in the league with a £12m south american international in the squad and being linked with another one. Let's be honest here no matter what happens some will never be happy. They will always find something to complain about. But to quote Turkish "They are only internet people". You don't see the fan in the stands unhappy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 suppose the issue is who should hold out the olive branch' date=' great chance for NC to show he is the better man or is he[/quote'] I know little of the problem/s between them but I don't think either is likely to make the first move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 I know little of the problem/s between them but I don't think either is likely to make the first move. It reminds me of a husband and wife having a massive argument and the wife (role played by Cortese) giving the husband (role played by MLT) the silent treatment for a period of time. Someone has to back down first for the relationship to survive and, dare I say it....(1970s sexist alert)....it's usually the person dishing out the silence (aka The Wife) that backs down last.... So, extending this 'George and Mildred' analogy to its logical conclusion would suggest its MLT that is perhaps best placed to rise above the pettiness and make the first move.... Nicola Cortese................................. Matt Le Tissier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 People didn't get angry on Monday because deep down they know we are in a hell of a lot better position than when Cortese came in. There is absolutely no real anti-cortese appetite in fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 Your wasting your time Nick. If we had the nicest of nice chairman who let everyone in for free but we were in the conference they would find something about him/her to complain about. The question is as a fan what would you rather have. A legend happy because they have free tickets or whatever or a club doing well? Wether we like it or not the club is in a better place then it was last time we were in the PL. I remember back then people were *****ing saying we showed no ambition and we bought in crap journeymen players. Now look at us. Youngest squad in the league with a £12m south american international in the squad and being linked with another one. Let's be honest here no matter what happens some will never be happy. They will always find something to complain about. But to quote Turkish "They are only internet people". You don't see the fan in the stands unhappy. Do you honestly believe that Le Tiss is just unhappy because he wants free tickets? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 Your wasting your time Nick. If we had the nicest of nice chairman who let everyone in for free but we were in the conference they would find something about him/her to complain about. The question is as a fan what would you rather have. A legend happy because they have free tickets or whatever or a club doing well? Wether we like it or not the club is in a better place then it was last time we were in the PL. I remember back then people were *****ing saying we showed no ambition and we bought in crap journeymen players. Now look at us. Youngest squad in the league with a £12m south american international in the squad and being linked with another one. Let's be honest here no matter what happens some will never be happy. They will always find something to complain about. But to quote Turkish "They are only internet people". You don't see the fan in the stands unhappy. Is it really much to hope for both? A club that is successful on the pitch, but also embraces and centres itself around the local community, its past legends, and its local media. Is it really too much to hope for all of that, and we have to be reduced to such a simplistic black and white choice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 Is it really much to hope for both? A club that is successful on the pitch, but also embraces and centres itself around the local community, its past legends, and its local media. Is it really too much to hope for all of that, and we have to be reduced to such a simplistic black and white choice? what you ask for is pretty perfect...but that looks like it is not going to happen.... right now, I am content with what we have and pretty very f-ing happy on how quickly we have it....and interested to see how far we can go..........if that ends up being a regular 10th place team and good cups etc....then that is a universe away from where we started with this lot.....and that would still be amazing and we would have done it in style....by all means not perfect by any stretch... I would have that all day than StuRomseySaints idea of "removing NC at all costs as soon as possible" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 The situation will never get resolved as it will be one sided from Matt as Cortese will not be interested what so ever as he's a little rat that needs to be fed a big lump of cheese via a giant mousetrap. That would leave our club where exactly? In the unprecedented position of becoming the first football club in the world to have trapped our chairman in a giant mousetrap with a sizeable wedge of cheese. Personally, I think Nicola is wilier than that, and will suss out the whole "big cheese / giant trap" thing well ahead of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 what you ask for is pretty perfect...but that looks like it is not going to happen.... right now, I am content with what we have and pretty very f-ing happy on how quickly we have it....and interested to see how far we can go..........if that ends up being a regular 10th place team and good cups etc....then that is a universe away from where we started with this lot.....and that would still be amazing and we would have done it in style....by all means not perfect by any stretch... I would have that all day than StuRomseySaints idea of "removing NC at all costs as soon as possible" The its a shame that we have to write it off completely and say that it can't happen. As has been said elsewhere; I'd rather be a struggling PL side or a Championship side than become a success at all costs top 8 side. We already see £48 ticket prices for Cat A games. Where is that going to stop before we say its too much? If next year those tickets go up to £55, for instance. Or £60. Success has to be paid for. Most of what NC has done has to be lauded, it really does. Some of it sticks out to be criticised too. That's fair comment. As I say, its a real shame if the argument truly is that black and white that we can't hope for a simmering of the feud from both sides. Unlikely to happen though, you're right about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 (edited) Your wasting your time Nick. If we had the nicest of nice chairman who let everyone in for free but we were in the conference they would find something about him/her to complain about. The question is as a fan what would you rather have. A legend happy because they have free tickets or whatever or a club doing well? Wether we like it or not the club is in a better place then it was last time we were in the PL. I remember back then people were *****ing saying we showed no ambition and we bought in crap journeymen players. Now look at us. Youngest squad in the league with a £12m south american international in the squad and being linked with another one. Let's be honest here no matter what happens some will never be happy. They will always find something to complain about. But to quote Turkish "They are only internet people". You don't see the fan in the stands unhappy. It's true though. In all my years supporting Saints going to games and the 1000 or so fans i must have met along the way, i can honestly say i've never heard anyone talk about MLT such a way, the champions league, 50k stadiums or man walking on the moon anywhere apart from by internet people. Edited 24 January, 2013 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 I despair, I really do. Self-righteous, self-opinionated, self-publicising tarts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 @mattletiss7: 4 mile jog/amble this afternoon built up a nice appetite for dinnner with fran benali lawrie mac and dave merrington + wives tonight #food I wonder what will be on the menu tonight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 I think that tiss should be keeping a dignified silence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 @mattletiss7: 4 mile jog/amble this afternoon built up a nice appetite for dinnner with fran benali lawrie mac and dave merrington + wives tonight #food I wonder what will be on the menu tonight? car keys in a bowl....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 car keys in a bowl....? Surprised Gordon Watson and Hypo aren't invited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 You are one of the more mental posters to grace this board. I'm not sure we should be taking advice from you! I was rather hoping old age had finally claimed him as he'd dropped off the radar after claiming that Obama wasn't actually American, would be shot within months of being elected and was a communist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latter day saint Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 I was rather hoping old age had finally claimed him as he'd dropped off the radar after claiming that Obama wasn't actually American, would be shot within months of being elected and was a communist. wtf ! drugs,alcohol or dementia ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 wtf ! drugs,alcohol or dementia ? He's just an utter loon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 This is one of those classic escalating spats that build and build, with both sides unable or unwilling to back down. I do wonder what the original trigger was. Personally i wished they would act like men and kiss and make up. Matt has repeatly made is point, Cortese is a vvanker, this we all know. Continually rehashing this is tiresome. Cortese should stop with the petty retributions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 Is it really much to hope for both? A club that is successful on the pitch, but also embraces and centres itself around the local community, its past legends, and its local media. Is it really too much to hope for all of that, and we have to be reduced to such a simplistic black and white choice? You see you can have both. It does not need to be this black or white way. For example Matty is my fav Saints player ever. I look back at the memories and it will always make me happy. The period we are in now as a club is making me happy, especially after the **** we had for the three years prior to them coming in. What i'm not happy about is the way the chairman makes ruthless decisions but sometimes to be succesful you have to make them. I'm also not happy that everytime you see an article from Matt or on tv etc he is slagging the chairman off. Personally I would rather hear about his footballing views not his opinion on business or his personal opinion of someone. Because those kind of things you should keep to yourself, they have nothing to do with anyone. I would love for both of them to sort it out, but everytime Matty comes out with the stuff he does that get's further and further away. The fans do not care that they dislike each other. Our most succesful manager in years was brutally sacked and there was no protest. The fans support the club, they want the club to do well, the club is doing well. So really what is there to be unhappy about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 MLT has famously said "Mr Cortese is not a very nice human being" and to be honest, I think his recent behaviour makes this statement difficult to argue with ! If he had humiliated one of my mates for using my season ticket then I would have been furious as well, not because according to the small print he was within his rights, but because it was petty and spiteful ! The same goes for 'airbrushing' Nigel from the programme, banning media from talking to fans, banning the Echo etc, etc... Given the opportunity, I wonder how many would choose to have a pint with MLT or NC ? I don't think that we'll need a poll to answer that one ! I completely agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 (edited) You see you can have both. It does not need to be this black or white way. For example Matty is my fav Saints player ever. I look back at the memories and it will always make me happy. The period we are in now as a club is making me happy, especially after the **** we had for the three years prior to them coming in. What i'm not happy about is the way the chairman makes ruthless decisions but sometimes to be succesful you have to make them. I'm also not happy that everytime you see an article from Matt or on tv etc he is slagging the chairman off. Personally I would rather hear about his footballing views not his opinion on business or his personal opinion of someone. Because those kind of things you should keep to yourself, they have nothing to do with anyone. I would love for both of them to sort it out, but everytime Matty comes out with the stuff he does that get's further and further away. The fans do not care that they dislike each other. Our most succesful manager in years was brutally sacked and there was no protest. The fans support the club, they want the club to do well, the club is doing well. So really what is there to be unhappy about? Is unhappy the right word? If highlighting the things the club does well is valid, then highlighting the things it does badly is also valid. Its not a case of being happy or unhappy. Its about wanting the best from the club you support. In a lot of ways we've got that. In some ways we haven't, and its the little things that get the airtime (perhaps because they're so easily fixable and entirely unnecessary, sometimes from both sides). In any case this debate is much more than just a spat between MLT and NC. That's just another minor point taken in isolation to a number of various other poor shows of form which move us further away from a former community and family club. We can grow and still be a bigger club but one based upon its community and past heritage, we just choose not to. And I don't think the club needs to be so ruthless in moving forwards; in some ways it perhaps does, but in others there's a way of doing things and I don't think we've got it right in certain areas (even if sometimes the change is actually for the better, its just been handled poorly). Edited 24 January, 2013 by The Kraken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 Is unhappy the right word? If highlighting the things the club does well is valid, then highlighting the things it does badly is also valid. Its not a case of being happy or unhappy. Its about wanting the best from the club you support. In a lot of ways we've got that. In some ways we haven't, and its the little things that get the airtime (perhaps because they're so easily fixable and entirely unnecessary, sometimes from both sides).. Of course. It takes two to argue. NC is not innocent. But like I said in the other thread personally I think we have to remain the middle. Criticise Cortese when he does wrong and praise him when he does right when they are decisions that affect our club. But personal opinions of people should not be aired. Especially if they are negative. That is just how I was brought up. Turn the other cheek and all that ********. Someone said above who would you rather go for a pint with and the answer is without a doubt MLT. But to ask another question who do you think would run the club more succesfully? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 Of course. It takes two to argue. NC is not innocent. But like I said in the other thread personally I think we have to remain the middle. Criticise Cortese when he does wrong and praise him when he does right when they are decisions that affect our club. But personal opinions of people should not be aired. Especially if they are negative. That is just how I was brought up. Turn the other cheek and all that ********. Someone said above who would you rather go for a pint with and the answer is without a doubt MLT. But to ask another question who do you think would run the club more succesfully? Why is that even a relevant question? I've already said that the club does many good things; you make it out that I'm clamouring for a change of leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 In the unprecedented position of becoming the first football club in the world to have trapped our chairman in a giant mousetrap with a sizeable wedge of cheese. Personally, I think Nicola is wilier than that, and will suss out the whole "big cheese / giant trap" thing well ahead of time. Oh, certainly. No doubt he'd form a big cheese committee with the Les Reed (mouse form) at its head. And bring in speedy Gonzalez as head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exit2 Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 During the Pinnacle takeover when I posted details of the so-called investors on this forum and exposed the bid to be bogus I later that morning had one helluva row with Matt. He loves the club as much as I do but he wasn't afraid of letting rip. I remember that morning well lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galapagos Saint Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 Thou shalt not blaspheme against Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 24 January, 2013 Share Posted 24 January, 2013 People didn't get angry on Monday because deep down they know we are in a hell of a lot better position than when Cortese came in. There is absolutely no real anti-cortese appetite in fans. Andy speaks for us all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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