PM to give the Europe vote

[Verbal]

Lets see who are the idiots at the next European elections. The euro fanatic lib/dems, the pro European labour party or the Euro sceptic torys and anti european Ukip.

 

last time the vote was Tory, Ukip ,labour, lib Dems in that order.

 

This time it could be Ukip, Tory, labour, lib Dems.

 

For all your waffle about idiot wings and the like, the order at European elections is defined by how euro fanatic you are. The most pro European partys get the least votes.and I've no doubt the same thing will happen next year.

 

The country is heading out of the union, its just a question of when, not if. The reason we are heading out is because the establishment did not tell us the truth, did not get the publics approval for the transfer of powers over the years and dictated to,in stead of taking the British public with them. The genie is out of the bottle now and there's no putting it back in.

 

You're confusing two separate votes. The Euro elections are seen (wrongly) as a cost-free way of declaring a knee-jerk anti-European sentiment. Anti-Europeans in the UK have always done well in these elections - it's why Farridge can win a Euro seat but not get close to a Parliamentary one.

 

But when it comes to the referendum, the opinion polls will favour the antis going in, as they did in 1975, and the pros will win, as they did in 1975.

 

Cameron's 'renegotiation' lingo is all to do with protecting the Square Mile, nothing more. This he did quite shamelessly and ineffectively when he vetoed in 2011. Once those concessions, and those alone, have been wrung out of the EU he will throw the weight of the Cabinet, the Banks and big business behind a Stay In vote.

 

In any case, the only part of Britain able to withstand the economic damage of being outside of the EU is London. Its financial and creative industries are worldwide in reach, helping to make London the global city-state that it really is.

 

The rest of Britain - and especially a provincial England that has always been heavily subsidised by the economic powerhouse of London - will not be able to cope. (If anything, London should seek independence from the rest of the UK, a process which Boris is actually starting with his repatriating tax proposals.)

 

British industry is notoriously bad at developing new markets outside Europe, and has been out-fought and out-thought by other Western companies for decades. Just take a look at the relative trading positions with India and China of France, Germany, even Spain and Italy.

 

So, yes, the Euro elections will go to the ukippers (at the cost of yet more lost influence in European institutions). And the referendum will go the way everyone surely expects: people will vote to stay in, if for other reason than out of naked fear.

[Barry Sanchez]

You're confusing two separate votes. The Euro elections are seen (wrongly) as a cost-free way of declaring a knee-jerk anti-European sentiment. Anti-Europeans in the UK have always done well in these elections - it's why Farridge can win a Euro seat but not get close to a Parliamentary one.

 

But when it comes to the referendum, the opinion polls will favour the antis going in, as they did in 1975, and the pros will win, as they did in 1975.

 

Cameron's 'renegotiation' lingo is all to do with protecting the Square Mile, nothing more. This he did quite shamelessly and ineffectively when he vetoed in 2011. Once those concessions, and those alone, have been wrung out of the EU he will throw the weight of the Cabinet, the Banks and big business behind a Stay In vote.

 

In any case, the only part of Britain able to withstand the economic damage of being outside of the EU is London. Its financial and creative industries are worldwide in reach, helping to make London the global city-state that it really is.

 

The rest of Britain - and especially a provincial England that has always been heavily subsidised by the economic powerhouse of London - will not be able to cope. (If anything, London should seek independence from the rest of the UK, a process which Boris is actually starting with his repatriating tax proposals.)

 

British industry is notoriously bad at developing new markets outside Europe, and has been out-fought and out-thought by other Western companies for decades. Just take a look at the relative trading positions with India and China of France, Germany, even Spain and Italy.

 

So, yes, the Euro elections will go to the ukippers (at the cost of yet more lost influence in European institutions). And the referendum will go the way everyone surely expects: people will vote to stay in, if for other reason than out of naked fear.

 

What does London produce to gain such wealth?

[Pugwash]

What does London produce to gain such wealth?

 

A better question would be: "What does London consume to gain such wealth?" The city consumes so much of the national resources (labour, infrastructure, material, money, water, food) chasing the financial dream that it impoverishes half of the country, leaving 'Provincial Britain' to squabble over the crumbs off its table. I don't deny it's successful at what it does, but it centralises too much of national effort into a financial sector that is focussed too much on making money rather than creating wealth.

 

If you consider Germany, its national efforts are much more diversified across the nation and through different sectors of commerce and industry. Consequently, they are much better able to respond to change.

Edited 18 May, 2013 by Pugwash

[Barry Sanchez]

A better question would be: "What does London consume to gain such wealth?" The city consumes so much of the national resources (labour, infrastructure, material, money, water, food) chasing the financial dream that it impoverishes half of the country, leaving 'Provincial Britain' to squabble over the crumbs off its table. I don't deny it's successful at what it does, but it centralises too much of national effort into a financial sector that is focussed too much on making money rather than creating wealth.

 

If you consider Germany, its national efforts are much more diversified across the nation and through different sectors of commerce and industry. Consequently, they are much better able to respond to change.

 

I agree, London is only in the position its in because the Government gives incentives for banks to stay there nothing more nothing less, why cant we simply copy the Germans in everything, we would be sound then, better football and ecomony.