Tokyo-Saint Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 If that's you're opinion, that's your opinion. My daughter thinks Little Mix are better than the Beatles, it's her opinion. Better at what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 Apart from winning the FA cup, getting to the League cup final, finishing runners up, signing the worlds best keeper, signing the European footballer of the year, bringing on youngsters and qualifying for Europe 3/4 times, what did Lawrie do for the club. This ^^^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 If that's you're opinion, that's your opinion. My daughter thinks Little Mix are better than the Beatles, it's her opinion. My Granddad used to think that typewriters were better than computers and that having 4 channel instead of 3 was excessive, that was his opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 For those who didn't hear; Said new fella had interpreter in technical area, Couldn't understand decision Couldn't understand why back room staff went as well Taking a big gamble. Rascals and villains story, Mark Dennis a rascal only Kenny Sansom kept him out of England side Best achievement runners up. Went on to praise Peach's peno record A bit about his early career Story of Mick going racing instead of a tour Doing disabled stuff with amongst others Bonio of U2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 For those who didn't hear; Said new fella had interpreter in technical area, Couldn't understand decision Couldn't understand why back room staff went as well Taking a big gamble. Don't see why he couldn't just leave it at the "Couldn't understand decision " or "Taking a big gamble" whicha re fair enough. The rest is just bitterness and come across very badly IMO. Nearly all new Managers bring their staff with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonraker Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 LM’s achievements will never be forgotten however there is a need for some perspective. From 1972 – 1999 11 different clubs won the FA cup, none more than 3 times (Liverpool and Spurs), from 1990 – 2011 seven clubs have won the cup 4 Clubs once (Spurs, Man City, Everton and Cheats FC), the other 16 have been won by the ‘Big Four’ (Utd (5), Arse (5), Liverpool (3) and Chelsea (5)). Today’s game is very different, dominated by either super clubs (UTD & Arse) or bankrolled clubs (Chelsea and City). LM managed in an era when the playing field was much more level. He would not get the chance today, what EPL club is going to pluck a lower league manager with no playing record of note, no international experience and no public reputation, he should consider himself lucky he lived in that era, and delight us with his tales and reminiscences not profess to understand the modern football business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 LM’s achievements will never be forgotten however there is a need for some perspective. From 1972 – 1999 11 different clubs won the FA cup, none more than 3 times (Liverpool and Spurs), from 1990 – 2011 seven clubs have won the cup 4 Clubs once (Spurs, Man City, Everton and Cheats FC), the other 16 have been won by the ‘Big Four’ (Utd (5), Arse (5), Liverpool (3) and Chelsea (5)). Today’s game is very different, dominated by either super clubs (UTD & Arse) or bankrolled clubs (Chelsea and City). LM managed in an era when the playing field was much more level. He would not get the chance today, what EPL club is going to pluck a lower league manager with no playing record of note, no international experience and no public reputation, he should consider himself lucky he lived in that era, and delight us with his tales and reminiscences not profess to understand the modern football business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 Lawrie is entitled to say what he wants, as far as I'm concerned. He's earned that right. And people are entitled to disagree with him, too. Bleating about "why did he say this, why did he say that, why didn't he just leave it at that?" is a bit of a wet blanket approach. Top man is Lawrie, despite his various faults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 LM must have early stages of dementia if he cant recall the name of our new manager or his past experience. Shame Lawrie I recall your failures at doncaster and sunderland and you being plucked from obscurity in grimsby. Did your mentor the late Ted Bates use as interpreter to understands your northeast accent. Whey hey man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 LM’s achievements will never be forgotten however there is a need for some perspective. From 1972 – 1999 11 different clubs won the FA cup, none more than 3 times (Liverpool and Spurs), from 1990 – 2011 seven clubs have won the cup 4 Clubs once (Spurs, Man City, Everton and Cheats FC), the other 16 have been won by the ‘Big Four’ (Utd (5), Arse (5), Liverpool (3) and Chelsea (5)). Today’s game is very different, dominated by either super clubs (UTD & Arse) or bankrolled clubs (Chelsea and City). LM managed in an era when the playing field was much more level. He would not get the chance today, what EPL club is going to pluck a lower league manager with no playing record of note, no international experience and no public reputation, he should consider himself lucky he lived in that era, and delight us with his tales and reminiscences not profess to understand the modern football business. So what you are saying is finishing second in the league was actually far more of a test of actual management skills than it is today, where it is just about how much cash you have. Yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 His lack of knowledge of the international players explains his role with the FA and the England team in the 90's. Can we not knock it!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastcowzer Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 Lawrie Mac has managed to forget that when he was appointed no onehad heard of him, he was from Grimsby (I think) and his only job had been failure at Doncaster, if my distant memory is correct. He is from another age Well said Dellman, He, too, probably would not have survived without Ted Bates behind him. Inflicted with 'dondopedology' i.e. Opening his mouth and putting his Grenadier Guards foot in it, or perhaps with his brain dis-engaged. Let's give MP a chance before we start criticizing, we who are so perfect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horley CTFC Saint Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 So he's angry and a xenophobic on the radio... This modern radio invention has some running themes Its Talk Sport - whats new?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_sinner Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 It'll be a rant about NC, followed by stories about KK's light, the rascals, Mick Channon saying this is my hobby ect absolutely spot on! Amazing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNOWY Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 Apart from winning the FA cup, getting to the League cup final, finishing runners up, signing the worlds best keeper, signing the European footballer of the year, bringing on youngsters and qualifying for Europe 3/4 times, what did Lawrie do for the club. Lawrie is the best manager we have ever had. Our best performance in each competition we have entered was achieved with Lawrie as manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 he left us for Sunderland and we were left in limbo. Lawrie had taken us as far as anybody could have done back then. He earnt the right to move on and try his luck elswhere, he could infact have left years earlier for leeds but stayed loyal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 Lawrie had taken us as far as anybody could have done back then. He earnt the right to move on and try his luck elswhere, he could infact have left years earlier for leeds but stayed loyal. i suppose that is fair, but it really hurt at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 Or have a different opinion from you. They were different eras of the game. Apart from the 11 players and the ball, almost everything else is different. The change is not as great as the change in rugby but it is close. The player are the best from around the world now, not just around the country. The game is an international one, managers need to be motivators, tacticians, have a broad knowledge of football from around the world, sports scientists, at least a base knowledge of human biology, physiology, handle overpaid teenagers, over hyped players, huge egos bloated by 24 hour sports news, the big clubs are bigger, richer and have larger squads, the gulf between the teams has hugely increased etc etc I think Lawrie would struggle if he were a manager now. Therefore despite LM's achievements, for me NA is a better manager. And likewise Adkins would have struggled back in Lawrie's days. This really is a ridiculous argument, Adkins, for all his achievements is no Lawrie McMenemy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 And likewise Adkins would have struggled back in Lawrie's days. This really is a ridiculous argument, Adkins, for all his achievements is no Lawrie McMenemy... McMenemy is no Adkins.... This could go on all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 If we needed one to take over tomorrow until the end of the season who would you choose? You can even take 10 years of LM to make him less mental if you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 McMenemy is no Adkins.... This could go on all day. Not really. Adkins has achieved fu ck all. Lawrie achieved at lot. There you go, over already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 Not really. Adkins has achieved fu ck all. Lawrie achieved at lot. There you go, over already. If you need to make up stuff about Adkins to prove your point it isn't over. In any case, I really couldn't give a sh!t who is better because it's completely irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 If you need to make up stuff about Adkins to prove your point it isn't over. In any case, I really couldn't give a sh!t who is better because it's completely irrelevant. Me neither. I can't stand Lawrie Mac. And I really like Nige. Hey ho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 If you are watching Glasgow - this is how you troll! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 Me neither. I can't stand Lawrie Mac. And I really like Nige. Hey ho. Bit harsh, can't see why you would feel that strongly about Lawrie Mc TBH. He did a fantastic job for us 30+ years ago and should always be respected that but have to agree that his views don't really hold much value today. Just like Adkins should always be respected for the fanastic job he did for us, I wouldn't begrudge anyone from commenting if he was waffling on on the radio every 5 mins in 30 years time to anyone who will listen re Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 Bit harsh, can't see why you would feel that strongly about Lawrie Mc TBH. He did a fantastic job for us 30+ years ago and should always be respected that but have to agree that his views don't really hold much value today. Just like Adkins should always be respected for the fanastic job he did for us, I wouldn't begrudge anyone from commenting if he was waffling on on the radio every 5 mins in 30 years time to anyone who will listen re Saints. I've always liked Lawrie Mc, I can't believe some people on here. Really unfair on a club legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 I don't think anybody has forgotten his achievements. He still remains the only manager to have won us a major trophy, that status won't change for some time. However, many of his opinions are massively outdated and as a result are largely irrelevant, IMO. issue is that a majority of the average sms crowd agree with his opinions or listen to them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 A lot of people think Ferguson is one of the best British managers ever but have you ever heard him give his opinion on the telly or radio? Never talks anything but gob****e. The radio ask Lawrie his opinion about what's happening at Saints as only MLT has done anything since that has raised Saints profile nationally to the same extent - except, of course, our laughing-stock profile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 Lawrie is the best manager we have ever had. Our best performance in each competition we have entered was achieved with Lawrie as manager. Yes but according to some on here football wasn't as good in those days, because loads of different teams won the FA cup. What they fail to understand is that there was football before Sky, and Lawrie managed in an era when 3 English teams were Europe's number 1 team and when English sides carried off 7 European cups in 8 years.Add to that 3 winners of the Uefa cup and 2 winners of the European cup winners cup. To manage a club like Southampton to regularly finish in the top 5 or 6 season after season was a fantastic achievement. English football sides dominated Europe and we were in there competing with them. To compare Nigel Adkins achievements to Lawrie's is laughable. Ted and Lawrie stand head and shoulders above any other Southampton manager. Anyone who thinks he was some sort of Ron Manager clearly knows nothing about the guy or his style of management and style of play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 If David Baddiel and Frank Skinner have learnt (sic) us one thing, it's that old football was rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swannymere Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 I don't suppose anyone brought up anything about Saints shares and some shady dealings in the past? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 I don't suppose anyone brought up anything about Saints shares and some shady dealings in the past? shhhhhhh, he's a legend and can de-fraud who he wants IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danner Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 Him and Le Tiss just got the hump cos Cortese makes them pay for a ticket !! So they bloody well should. Both of them sounding like complete idiots spouting off all the time. If you and your lot had taken over Matt we'd still be in league one i expect !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 Him and Le Tiss just got the hump cos Cortese makes them pay for a ticket !! So they bloody well should. Both of them sounding like complete idiots spouting off all the time. If you and your lot had taken over Matt we'd still be in league one i expect !! I guarentee we would not be in L1 now if Pinnacle had taken over, the local derby with Salisbury would have been fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 Lawrie Mac's achievements, amazing though they are, do not make him immune to criticism. Fact is, he comes across as a xenophobe and a dinosaur. He's welcome to his opinions, I just wish he'd keep them to himself sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 Listen to it here... http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/richard-keys-and-andy-gray/130122/southampton-legend-lawrie-mcmenemy-joins-keys-gray-live-studio-189865 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 Sounds like old guy struggling to keep up. Saying had a translator in technical box every time needed to talk to a player???!! Not how I saw it. Spoke to players one to one. Alone in tech area every time I looked. NA often had Crosby with him. Saying mp got sack in November then got appointed then! Any sacking of NA would be wrong. None of squad played in premier league before. NC wrong to win higher than 4th from bottom! There is real snobbery in the old football crowd. I am still not convinced we have improved manager, hope we have. Not happy with way it was done. But you cannot argue that NC is trying to improve the club and is willing to take tough decisions. Starting to think there is chance we will look back on this as same principal of likes of dean Hammond, good bloke, did great job, continually looking to improve. Sorry to quote myself, just saving typing! Bit about translator.... Was that totally made up? I was watching game rather than manager, but from other side thought he was talking to players directly and spent more time alone than N A used to.. What did those who sit close see or hear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 I wonder if other clubs have as many fans as we seemingly do that are so regularly ready to turn on their former player and managerial legends if/when they adopt a contrary stance to a new ownership that they don't completely see eye to eye with. I must admit I'm not aware of any others, but our lot can't be the only ones, can they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 The best bit about talk sport is where Keys and Grey have to give info on what shed is on offer at Wicks or whatever. This really shows how far they have fallen. Bet every time they mention 2 for 1 emulation, they curse the day they went on about that birds tits. Listening them go into grovel mode whenever they talk to a lady is excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 As I recollect there were many well known managers out of work when Lawrie was brought in (as manager designate to Ted who had retired to all intents and purposes). He was a Guardsman and not really a top footballer (Blyth Spartans I think he played for) his only decent management experience was Grimsby! and he probably also needed an interpretor in his early days as no one understood Geordie in those pre Ant and Dec days! He immediately fell out with the senior players and moved a few on (Paine et al), , he managed to get us relegated in his first season from a secure and safe position of 6th at Christmas in 73/74 before he finally settled built a team won the Cup and gained promotion back again. So Pots and Kettles do come to mind! That's all about right and his ability to remember players names is in dopey Daves league. He really had a cheek pulling up another manager for needing an interpreter. Paine et al needed to be moved on to let the club grow again but the nature in which he did it left him very few friends. Lawrie was not a nice person and would bully others just because he could. That said he was the best manager I feel we have had and those unpleasant traits made him very effective. In fact I would go as far to say that he would not have been such an effective manager without the bile he brought to the job. The big ploblem was whan Lawrie was no longer manager, all those attributes just showed him up to be a nasty peice of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonraker Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 Yes but according to some on here football wasn't as good in those days, because loads of different teams won the FA cup. What they fail to understand is that there was football before Sky, and Lawrie managed in an era when 3 English teams were Europe's number 1 team and when English sides carried off 7 European cups in 8 years.Add to that 3 winners of the Uefa cup and 2 winners of the European cup winners cup. To manage a club like Southampton to regularly finish in the top 5 or 6 season after season was a fantastic achievement. English football sides dominated Europe and we were in there competing with them. To compare Nigel Adkins achievements to Lawrie's is laughable. Ted and Lawrie stand head and shoulders above any other Southampton manager. Anyone who thinks he was some sort of Ron Manager clearly knows nothing about the guy or his style of management and style of play. How on earth do you draw the conclsuion from my FA Cup perspctive that I think football was no good before the EPL, it was great following saints in the 60's 70's and 80's the football at times was incredible, nothing will ever surpass for me watching Ron D score for fun. I used the FA cup to illustrate how English football has changed in the way it is managed and adminsistered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 LM’s achievements will never be forgotten however there is a need for some perspective. From 1972 – 1999 11 different clubs won the FA cup, none more than 3 times (Liverpool and Spurs), from 1990 – 2011 seven clubs have won the cup 4 Clubs once (Spurs, Man City, Everton and Cheats FC), the other 16 have been won by the ‘Big Four’ (Utd (5), Arse (5), Liverpool (3) and Chelsea (5)). Today’s game is very different, dominated by either super clubs (UTD & Arse) or bankrolled clubs (Chelsea and City). LM managed in an era when the playing field was much more level. He would not get the chance today, what EPL club is going to pluck a lower league manager with no playing record of note, no international experience and no public reputation, he should consider himself lucky he lived in that era, and delight us with his tales and reminiscences not profess to understand the modern football business. Saints chose Sturrock in 2004 ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WokingSaint Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 Lawrie Mac's achievements, amazing though they are, do not make him immune to criticism. Fact is, he comes across as a xenophobe and a dinosaur. He's welcome to his opinions, I just wish he'd keep them to himself sometimes. He comes accross as nothing of the sort! Very bright nand 'switched on'. Still enormously entertaining to listen to and informative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 McMenemy's greatest talent as Southampton manager was persuading top, top footballers to come and play for us - I'm not sure that his tactical nous was all that brilliant, as his record at other clubs shows. Most of these players were not exactly in the first flush of youth but were experienced and had a few years left at the highest level. A bit like Frank Lampard today. Unfortunately he couldn't do that today - they all want silly money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 Saints chose Sturrock in 2004 ! And his record was actually very good - a fact the revisionists on here constantly ignore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 And his record was actually very good - a fact the revisionists on here constantly ignore. he is not and never will be a premier league manager...he was even a disaster in the NPC he had it good as the squad when he came in were a well oiled machine....his pre season was an utter joke and was quickly seen to be way out of his depth such a mental appointment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 I don't think anybody has forgotten his achievements. He still remains the only manager to have won us a major trophy, that status won't change for some time. However, many of his opinions are massively outdated and as a result are largely irrelevant, IMO. Do you think you know football better than him then? I love all these people on this thread slapping themselves on the back taking the **** out of Lawrie. He has some valid points and shouldn't be so easily dismissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 he is not and never will be a premier league manager...he was even a disaster in the NPC he had it good as the squad when he came in were a well oiled machine....his pre season was an utter joke and was quickly seen to be way out of his depth such a mental appointment So you're saying don't judge a new manager on the early results gained with a well drilled team coached by the previous very popular manager? Wise words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 So you're saying don't judge a new manager on the early results gained with a well drilled team coached by the previous very popular manager? Wise words. no, I saying that as someone who has lived in plymouth for 13 years and seen more of him than most fans...(when I used to get free tickets to argyle) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 So you're saying don't judge a new manager on the early results gained with a well drilled team coached by the previous very popular manager? Wise words. David Moyes certainly didn't in his post-match interview; he pretty much praised Nige for the performance and shape of Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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