Saint Charlie Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 - Boruc in goal - Back four of Clyne, Yoshida, Forren, Shaw - Schneiderlin and Cork in central midfield - Puncheon, Ramirez, Rodriguez, Lambert as the front four rotating during the game as normal, with Lallana to come on in the second half This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Yes it would, Fox in the Premier League (let alone at Old Trafford) is a disaster waiting to happen. He has no pace or positional sense. I think i'd trust Pochettino a fair bit more than you, especially with all the stuff you have got wrong lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 - Boruc in goal - Back four of Clyne, Yoshida, Forren, Shaw - Schneiderlin and Cork in central midfield - Puncheon, Ramirez, Rodriguez, Lambert as the front four rotating during the game as normal, with Lallana to come on in the second half If Fox is playing left back obviously, as per the rumour. FFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 I think i'd trust Pochettino a fair bit more than you. I have no problem with that, but your post doesn't make sense as as of yet Pochettino hasn't picked that team. I think most Saints fans would be happy with this... (with the front four rotating during the game as normal, with Lallana to come on in the second half) Boruc Clyne Yoshida Forren Shaw Cork Schneiderlin Puncheon Lambert Ramirez Rodriguez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 I have no problem with that, but your post doesn't make sense as as of yet Pochettino hasn't picked that team. I think most Saints fans would be happy with this... (with the front four rotating during the game as normal, with Lallana to come on in the second half) Boruc Clyne Yoshida Forren Shaw Cork Schneiderlin Puncheon Lambert Ramirez Rodriguez It does make sense, as I was going with the assumption that Fox is at LB. Wrong again. Congratulations by the way, you managed to pick our best available team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Saw the squad at Southampton Airport yesterday afternoon getting their flight to Manchester. Lallana told me he didnt expect to start. The person I noticed wasnt there was Puncheon. Also Forren sat on his own reading his phone. No interaction with the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 It does make sense, as I was going with the assumption that Fox is at LB. Wrong again. Congratulations by the way, you managed to pick our best available team. He's not a FM researcher for no reason you know. I thought it would be obvious people were on about if Fox is playing left back, clearly not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Maybe Fox left back Shaw at left mid? Or the other way round- Fox has been decent whenever he's been pushed further forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 (edited) Saw the squad at Southampton Airport yesterday afternoon getting their flight to Manchester. Lallana told me he didnt expect to start. The person I noticed wasnt there was Puncheon. Got a call up by Nature? Edited 30 January, 2013 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Or the other way round- Fox has been decent whenever he's been pushed further forward. i agree, was just working on the rumour that Fox is playing left back, one thing he can do is put a decent cross in, which could be vital tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Turks loves a rumour. Struggles to differentiate between reality though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Got a call up by Nature. For 45 minutes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Saw the squad at Southampton Airport yesterday afternoon getting their flight to Manchester. The person I noticed wasnt there was Puncheon He was taking a sh*t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 I have no problem with that, but your post doesn't make sense as as of yet Pochettino hasn't picked that team. I think most Saints fans would be happy with this... (with the front four rotating during the game as normal, with Lallana to come on in the second half) Boruc Clyne Yoshida Forren Shaw Cork Schneiderlin Puncheon Lambert Ramirez Rodriguez That formation would get hammered -regardless whether you've integrated Fox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Saint Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Im not sure he will throw Forren in at the deep end by giving him his Prem debut at Old Trafford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 That formation would get hammered -regardless whether you've integrated Fox. That is the formation used for the majority of the time in the period that has seen us only lose 2 games from the last 13 in the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintAndy14 Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Fox has never been worth the 1.8m we spent on him. We need to get another LB in in the summer to compete with Shaw and try to recoup as much of the money we wasted on Fox as we can, although we would do very well to get 1m for him I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 That is the formation used for the majority of the time in the period that has seen us only lose 2 games from the last 13 in the Premier League. Formation and personnel - I mean. Has the whiff of the team that got comprehensively beat at Everton and West Brom. In other games, we've gone with 3 CMs and/or a more disciplined player like Guly. Even worse, whatever additional attacking threat we might pose is neutered by not playing Ramirez in his best position. At least we did that at QPR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 That formation would get hammered -regardless whether you've integrated Fox. Not sure what games you have been watching but I thought we had been playing 4231 for a while now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Not sure what games you have been watching but I thought we had been playing 4231 for a while now My mistake, I meant personnel and formation. Either way, it would still get hammered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 My mistake, I meant personnel and formation. Either way, it would still get hammered. It didn't vs Chelsea (2nd half), Everton or Arsenal in recent Premier League games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Fox has never been worth the 1.8m we spent on him. We need to get another LB in in the summer to compete with Shaw and try to recoup as much of the money we wasted on Fox as we can, although we would do very well to get 1m for him I think. What a load of crap. He was more than adequate last season in the Champ, and was an upgrade on Harding. Christ some people on here are spoiled brats, what were you expecting? Ashley Cole or Leighton Baines to drop down the the Champ for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 What's his pace mark on FM bear? Lets see how accurate MLG is.... On my iphones game he has 15. I am training him like bastard tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Also I think we may be a little but harsh on Fox here, he was decent in the championship and served us well,it's just unfortunate that he has not been able to make that step up in quality needed for the prem. many players have failed to do that in the past and many will continue to do that in the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Couple of weeks ago we had a no hope away game in midweek. I had to be in Abu Dhabi at 6am (games here finish at 2am) so I left Eric to watch the game with sarahsupasaint in the pub. Tomorrow for a similar work event I have to be at work at 6am so cannot watch. Eric & SSS are at OT watching. Lightning can't strike twice can it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 It didn't vs Chelsea, Everton or Arsenal in recent games. Did you read my post? Has the whiff of the team that got comprehensively beat at Everton and West Brom. In other games, we've gone with 3 CMs and/or a more disciplined player like Guly. Even worse, whatever additional attacking threat we might pose is neutered by not playing Ramirez in his best position. At least we did that at QPR. Thus, against Chelsea, we played Cork, Davis and Morgan, sacrificing one of our front men; against Everton and Arsenal, we had the more disciplined Guly tracking back (I would not want Gaston covering our LB); and against Arsenal and Everton, Gaston was played in his best position i.e. in the hole. Try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 It didn't vs Chelsea (2nd half), Everton or Arsenal in recent Premier League games. Probably because Lambert came on for Rodriguez second half against Chelsea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 was adkins a tactical genius for dropping our best player on games like this..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 When we started the season as a collective we were awful Fox included,however as we got used to the league we grew in confidence and matured,everyone apart from Fox has had a decent run in the team because he has been replaced by Shaw, who is to say that now if he had a run in a team full of confidence he wouldn't do a bad job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Don't know why we don't play Fox on the wing as cover, seems illogical to be taking Shaw out and putting Fox in when our cover on the left is nowhere near the quality of Shaw at LB. If it's true, of course. I'd play: Boruc; Clyne, Hooiveld, Yoshida, Shaw; Puncheon, Cork, Schneiderlin, Fox; Ramirez; Lambert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 When we started the season as a collective we were awful Fox included,however as we got used to the league we grew in confidence and matured,everyone apart from Fox has had a decent run in the team because he has been replaced by Shaw, who is to say that now if he had a run in a team full of confidence he wouldn't do a bad job? Mainly because the weaknesses which saw Fox exposed time and time again have been ever present. In the prem, they were getting punished and you could see how the oppo targeted our left hand side. He can't stand off and and not tackle and position himself off the hip of Yoshida without leaving our entire left hand side exposed against very very good wingers. Unless Fox has improved all of this whilst not playing (unlikely) then not much will have changed, unlike the others who just needed to adapt to the demands of the prem a little more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 so, is fox playing instead of shaw then...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaneNero Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 He was worth it, without his set piece deliveries we would have not reached the automatic positions. A good investment (like Sharp) at the time that paid off fully, I agree he isn't cut out for the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 so, is fox playing instead of shaw then...? Nothing confirmed, all chat off the back of that tweet I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 is it an 7:45 kick off or an eighter? sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Personally I would go with -----------Boruc------------- ------------------------------ Clyne--Yoshida--Jos-----Shaw ------Morgan----Cork--------- -----------Ramirez----------- Rod---------------------Puncheon -----------Lambo-------------- I don't think having Forren start at Old Trafford would be a good idea. Better to bring him in gradualy from the bench. Fox shouldn't be in the side in games like these. He is no winger and not a great left back. Would rather keep Shaw there where he has done so well this season and move Jay Rod to the flank with Gaston being the play maker in the hole. We are going to need Morgan and Cork to defend a lot and hope we can get them on the counter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 is it an 7:45 kick off or an eighter? sorry http://lmgtfy.com/?q=+man+utd+southampton+30th+January+2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Mainly because the weaknesses which saw Fox exposed time and time again have been ever present. In the prem, they were getting punished and you could see how the oppo targeted our left hand side. He can't stand off and and not tackle and position himself off the hip of Yoshida without leaving our entire left hand side exposed against very very good wingers. Unless Fox has improved all of this whilst not playing (unlikely) then not much will have changed, unlike the others who just needed to adapt to the demands of the prem a little more. And none of being exposed down the left was down to Lallana and his lack of defending? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 is it an 7:45 kick off or an eighter? Sorry 8pm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 And none of being exposed down the left was down to Lallana and his lack of defending? Lallana does put a shift in defensively IMO, but in the general out back 4 is more protected by two holding CMs so he could benefit from that but he'd still have enough defending to do for his personal weaknesses to be exposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 also forren sat on his own reading his phone. No interaction with the others.oh no!!!! Forren sat on his own not interacting with the team, he must be a bad influence in the dressing room, thats it, we're down for certain now ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Hope puncheon is playing. Have him as first goal scorer and utd to win 3-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Got a horrible feeling Gazza will start... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Lallana does not put a shift in defensively IMO, but in the general out back 4 is more protected by two holding CMs so he could benefit from that but he'd still have enough defending to do for his personal weaknesses to be exposed. Fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Got a horrible feeling Gazza will start... why? what's wrong with Boruc...no no let me guess we've sold him to Juventus or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Fixed How do we resolve this simo, I'm desperate to prove I'm right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Lallana does put a shift in defensively IMO, but in the general out back 4 is more protected by two holding CMs so he could benefit from that but he'd still have enough defending to do for his personal weaknesses to be exposed. He does now but he didn't at the start of the season We were headless chickens and looked out of our depth,a majority of our players look at home in the prem now,if Fox was in the squad now I have doubt he would have improved greatly and adapted to the prem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEVMAN Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 Sorry but only in from work,some of us do.Havn`t had a chance to find out any info,but AL starts on the bench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 why? what's wrong with Boruc...no no let me guess we've sold him to Juventus or something. Just a hunch, nothing to back it up. Hope I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 30 January, 2013 Share Posted 30 January, 2013 He does now but he didn't at the start of the season We were headless chickens and looked out of our depth,a majority of our players look at home in the prem now,if Fox was in the squad now I have doubt he would have improved greatly and adapted to the prem Just have to disagree I guess. Fox is IMO a below average defender for this level and can't see how blaming an AM like Lallana for this makes sense. For what it's worth, I was adament that Fonte wasn't as bad as people were making out early in the season but have always thought the step up would be too much for Fox so appreciated that some players are better now. Fox will always be postionally poor and too passive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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