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Saint Charlie

Saint Charlie

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- Boruc in goal

- Back four of Clyne, Yoshida, Forren, Shaw

- Schneiderlin and Cork in central midfield

- Puncheon, Ramirez, Rodriguez, Lambert as the front four rotating during the game as normal, with Lallana to come on in the second half

 

This.

Appy

Appy

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Yes it would, Fox in the Premier League (let alone at Old Trafford) is a disaster waiting to happen. He has no pace or positional sense.

 

I think i'd trust Pochettino a fair bit more than you, especially with all the stuff you have got wrong lately.

Turkish

Turkish

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- Boruc in goal

- Back four of Clyne, Yoshida, Forren, Shaw

- Schneiderlin and Cork in central midfield

- Puncheon, Ramirez, Rodriguez, Lambert as the front four rotating during the game as normal, with Lallana to come on in the second half

 

If Fox is playing left back obviously, as per the rumour. FFS

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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I think i'd trust Pochettino a fair bit more than you.

 

I have no problem with that, but your post doesn't make sense as as of yet Pochettino hasn't picked that team.

 

I think most Saints fans would be happy with this... (with the front four rotating during the game as normal, with Lallana to come on in the second half)

 

            Boruc

Clyne  Yoshida  Forren  Shaw

       Cork  Schneiderlin

Puncheon    Lambert   Ramirez

          Rodriguez

Appy

Appy

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I have no problem with that, but your post doesn't make sense as as of yet Pochettino hasn't picked that team.

 

I think most Saints fans would be happy with this... (with the front four rotating during the game as normal, with Lallana to come on in the second half)

 

            Boruc

Clyne  Yoshida  Forren  Shaw

       Cork  Schneiderlin

Puncheon    Lambert   Ramirez

          Rodriguez

 

It does make sense, as I was going with the assumption that Fox is at LB.

 

Wrong again.

 

Congratulations by the way, you managed to pick our best available team.

Lets B Avenue

Lets B Avenue

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Saw the squad at Southampton Airport yesterday afternoon getting their flight to Manchester. Lallana told me he didnt expect to start. The person I noticed wasnt there was Puncheon. Also Forren sat on his own reading his phone. No interaction with the others.

Turkish

Turkish

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It does make sense, as I was going with the assumption that Fox is at LB.

 

Wrong again.

 

Congratulations by the way, you managed to pick our best available team.

 

He's not a FM researcher for no reason you know.

 

I thought it would be obvious people were on about if Fox is playing left back, clearly not.

shurlock

shurlock

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Saw the squad at Southampton Airport yesterday afternoon getting their flight to Manchester. Lallana told me he didnt expect to start. The person I noticed wasnt there was Puncheon.

 

Got a call up by Nature?

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Turkish

Turkish

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Or the other way round- Fox has been decent whenever he's been pushed further forward.

 

i agree, was just working on the rumour that Fox is playing left back, one thing he can do is put a decent cross in, which could be vital tonight.

JoeShmoe

JoeShmoe

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Saw the squad at Southampton Airport yesterday afternoon getting their flight to Manchester. The person I noticed wasnt there was Puncheon

 

He was taking a sh*t

shurlock

shurlock

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I have no problem with that, but your post doesn't make sense as as of yet Pochettino hasn't picked that team.

 

I think most Saints fans would be happy with this... (with the front four rotating during the game as normal, with Lallana to come on in the second half)

 

            Boruc

Clyne  Yoshida  Forren  Shaw

       Cork  Schneiderlin

Puncheon    Lambert   Ramirez

          Rodriguez

 

That formation would get hammered -regardless whether you've integrated Fox.

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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That formation would get hammered -regardless whether you've integrated Fox.

 

That is the formation used for the majority of the time in the period that has seen us only lose 2 games from the last 13 in the Premier League.

SaintAndy14

SaintAndy14

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Fox has never been worth the 1.8m we spent on him. We need to get another LB in in the summer to compete with Shaw and try to recoup as much of the money we wasted on Fox as we can, although we would do very well to get 1m for him I think.

shurlock

shurlock

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That is the formation used for the majority of the time in the period that has seen us only lose 2 games from the last 13 in the Premier League.

 

Formation and personnel - I mean.

Has the whiff of the team that got comprehensively beat at Everton and West Brom. In other games, we've gone with 3 CMs and/or a more disciplined player like Guly. Even worse, whatever additional attacking threat we might pose is neutered by not playing Ramirez in his best position. At least we did that at QPR.

pangy

pangy

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That formation would get hammered -regardless whether you've integrated Fox.

 

 

Not sure what games you have been watching but I thought we had been playing 4231 for a while now

shurlock

shurlock

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Not sure what games you have been watching but I thought we had been playing 4231 for a while now

 

My mistake, I meant personnel and formation. Either way, it would still get hammered.

KelvinsRightGlove

KelvinsRightGlove

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Fox has never been worth the 1.8m we spent on him. We need to get another LB in in the summer to compete with Shaw and try to recoup as much of the money we wasted on Fox as we can, although we would do very well to get 1m for him I think.

 

What a load of crap.

 

He was more than adequate last season in the Champ, and was an upgrade on Harding.

 

Christ some people on here are spoiled brats, what were you expecting? Ashley Cole or Leighton Baines to drop down the the Champ for us?

pangy

pangy

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Also I think we may be a little but harsh on Fox here, he was decent in the championship and served us well,it's just unfortunate that he has not been able to make that step up in quality needed for the prem. many players have failed to do that in the past and many will continue to do that in the future

dubai_phil

dubai_phil

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Couple of weeks ago we had a no hope away game in midweek.

 

I had to be in Abu Dhabi at 6am (games here finish at 2am) so I left Eric to watch the game with sarahsupasaint in the pub.

 

Tomorrow for a similar work event I have to be at work at 6am so cannot watch. Eric & SSS are at OT watching.

 

Lightning can't strike twice can it?

shurlock

shurlock

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It didn't vs Chelsea, Everton or Arsenal in recent games.

 

Did you read my post?

Has the whiff of the team that got comprehensively beat at Everton and West Brom. In other games, we've gone with 3 CMs and/or a more disciplined player like Guly. Even worse, whatever additional attacking threat we might pose is neutered by not playing Ramirez in his best position. At least we did that at QPR.

 

Thus, against Chelsea, we played Cork, Davis and Morgan, sacrificing one of our front men; against Everton and Arsenal, we had the more disciplined Guly tracking back (I would not want Gaston covering our LB); and against Arsenal and Everton, Gaston was played in his best position i.e. in the hole.

 

Try again.

Appy

Appy

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It didn't vs Chelsea (2nd half), Everton or Arsenal in recent Premier League games.

 

Probably because Lambert came on for Rodriguez second half against Chelsea.

pangy

pangy

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When we started the season as a collective we were awful Fox included,however as we got used to the league we grew in confidence and matured,everyone apart from Fox has had a decent run in the team because he has been replaced by Shaw, who is to say that now if he had a run in a team full of confidence he wouldn't do a bad job?

Andre

Andre

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Don't know why we don't play Fox on the wing as cover, seems illogical to be taking Shaw out and putting Fox in when our cover on the left is nowhere near the quality of Shaw at LB. If it's true, of course.

 

I'd play: Boruc; Clyne, Hooiveld, Yoshida, Shaw; Puncheon, Cork, Schneiderlin, Fox; Ramirez; Lambert.

Dig Dig

Dig Dig

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When we started the season as a collective we were awful Fox included,however as we got used to the league we grew in confidence and matured,everyone apart from Fox has had a decent run in the team because he has been replaced by Shaw, who is to say that now if he had a run in a team full of confidence he wouldn't do a bad job?

 

 

Mainly because the weaknesses which saw Fox exposed time and time again have been ever present. In the prem, they were getting punished and you could see how the oppo targeted our left hand side. He can't stand off and and not tackle and position himself off the hip of Yoshida without leaving our entire left hand side exposed against very very good wingers.

 

Unless Fox has improved all of this whilst not playing (unlikely) then not much will have changed, unlike the others who just needed to adapt to the demands of the prem a little more.

CaneNero

CaneNero

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He was worth it, without his set piece deliveries we would have not reached the automatic positions. A good investment (like Sharp) at the time that paid off fully, I agree he isn't cut out for the PL.

St Marco

St Marco

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Personally I would go with

 

-----------Boruc-------------

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Clyne--Yoshida--Jos-----Shaw

------Morgan----Cork---------

-----------Ramirez-----------

Rod---------------------Puncheon

-----------Lambo--------------

 

I don't think having Forren start at Old Trafford would be a good idea. Better to bring him in gradualy from the bench. Fox shouldn't be in the side in games like these. He is no winger and not a great left back. Would rather keep Shaw there where he has done so well this season and move Jay Rod to the flank with Gaston being the play maker in the hole. We are going to need Morgan and Cork to defend a lot and hope we can get them on the counter.

pangy

pangy

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Mainly because the weaknesses which saw Fox exposed time and time again have been ever present. In the prem, they were getting punished and you could see how the oppo targeted our left hand side. He can't stand off and and not tackle and position himself off the hip of Yoshida without leaving our entire left hand side exposed against very very good wingers.

 

Unless Fox has improved all of this whilst not playing (unlikely) then not much will have changed, unlike the others who just needed to adapt to the demands of the prem a little more.

 

 

And none of being exposed down the left was down to Lallana and his lack of defending?

Dig Dig

Dig Dig

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And none of being exposed down the left was down to Lallana and his lack of defending?

 

Lallana does put a shift in defensively IMO, but in the general out back 4 is more protected by two holding CMs so he could benefit from that but he'd still have enough defending to do for his personal weaknesses to be exposed.

Windmill Arm 2

Windmill Arm 2

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also forren sat on his own reading his phone. No interaction with the others.
oh no!!!! Forren sat on his own not interacting with the team, he must be a bad influence in the dressing room, thats it, we're down for certain now

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ffs.

simo

simo

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Lallana does not put a shift in defensively IMO, but in the general out back 4 is more protected by two holding CMs so he could benefit from that but he'd still have enough defending to do for his personal weaknesses to be exposed.

 

Fixed

pangy

pangy

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Lallana does put a shift in defensively IMO, but in the general out back 4 is more protected by two holding CMs so he could benefit from that but he'd still have enough defending to do for his personal weaknesses to be exposed.

 

He does now but he didn't at the start of the season

 

We were headless chickens and looked out of our depth,a majority of our players look at home in the prem now,if Fox was in the squad now I have doubt he would have improved greatly and adapted to the prem

Dig Dig

Dig Dig

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He does now but he didn't at the start of the season

 

We were headless chickens and looked out of our depth,a majority of our players look at home in the prem now,if Fox was in the squad now I have doubt he would have improved greatly and adapted to the prem

 

Just have to disagree I guess. Fox is IMO a below average defender for this level and can't see how blaming an AM like Lallana for this makes sense.

 

For what it's worth, I was adament that Fonte wasn't as bad as people were making out early in the season but have always thought the step up would be too much for Fox so appreciated that some players are better now. Fox will always be postionally poor and too passive.

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