Neef Posted 21 January, 2013 Share Posted 21 January, 2013 I know Fonte is injured atm but who do you guys think will be the 1st choice CB pairing when he is fit? Think Yoshida has rapidly improved since a shaky start (where he also had to play out of position), reads the game very well and as a result is on hand for last ditch challenges etc. Thought he formed a good partnership with Fonte too. But if this Forren guy is as good as they say he is then I wonder who he will displace. He is left footed too so maybe Yoshida will be benched as he has played in that left sided CB role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Posted 21 January, 2013 Share Posted 21 January, 2013 Forren and Yoshida are both purchases from this season, so I get the feeling they will make the initially favoured partnership. Unfortunately for Fonte his injury means he can't immediately claim his place in the XI, but hopefully he gets enough opportunity to prove himself and compete for the place. Obviously we don't know what Forren is like yet, so it's difficult to make a choice at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 21 January, 2013 Share Posted 21 January, 2013 Impossible to say at this stage. Forren will be in for Hooiveld for the Utd game IMO then depends when Fonte is back and how we do before then. In the summer Hooiveld will go and another good CB might come in, or Stephens might replace him as a first team option even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 21 January, 2013 Share Posted 21 January, 2013 Wouldn't be so quick to get rid of Hooiveld. In the past 2 games he has proved he is able back up at this level IMO, and also did alright against Stoke when called upon. All of a sudden we have gone from looking very weak in central defence, to quite strong. We haven't seem Forren yet obviously, but reports suggest he'll be a very good signing. Fonte and Yoshida have already proved they are good enough at this level. 4 good options in this position now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouldy Coat Posted 21 January, 2013 Share Posted 21 January, 2013 I still don't rate Yoshida, sorry that's my opinion. He is not physically strong enough and crap in the air. I think Fonte's return to form before injury helped Yoshida look better, but every areal ball he looks so uncomfortable and often let's it bounce. I would say. It will be Fonte and Forren, mark my words, Yoshida was a panic buy. Be interesting to see how Yoshida copes tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhys_sfc Posted 21 January, 2013 Share Posted 21 January, 2013 At the start of the season Fonte looked very shaky and was underperforming hugely - the difference between then and now is remarkable and to have the ability to step his game up as he has done more than earns him the right of a regular spot. After all the criticism and doubt the back 4 received it is a credit that they have managed to improve and show they are able to cope in this league. The Fonte-Yoshida partnership has proved to be effective and there's no reason why it can't continue to be that way. That being said, I agree that Yoshida is the weaker of the 2 and probably was in part a 'panic buy'. With match experience, I can see Forren and Fonte developing as a very capable pair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colbury Posted 21 January, 2013 Share Posted 21 January, 2013 I still don't rate Yoshida, sorry that's my opinion. He is not physically strong enough and crap in the air. I think Fonte's return to form before injury helped Yoshida look better, but every areal ball he looks so uncomfortable and often let's it bounce. I would say. It will be Fonte and Forren, mark my words, Yoshida was a panic buy. Be interesting to see how Yoshida copes tonight I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 21 January, 2013 Share Posted 21 January, 2013 3 at the back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 21 January, 2013 Share Posted 21 January, 2013 3 at the back! that would be very strange as Pochettino heavily favours a 4-2-3-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jai27 Posted 21 January, 2013 Share Posted 21 January, 2013 To be honest I'm just happy that we are now in a position to actually have a choice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas J Posted 21 January, 2013 Share Posted 21 January, 2013 As a Forren fan who is just here to congratulate this club for a bargain signing, I may be a bit biased, but: Forren is very much like a younger Thomas Vermaelen. He isn't tall, but great in the air. He's not big, but strong. He can shoot on freekicks outside the box and drive it into the cross, and he attacks corners like a world class player. His defensive positioning is probably as good as it'll ever be, meaning, it's probably his strongest feat. He does lack sideways agility, but not reflexes. His intelligence more than makes up for it. His through balls are a thing of beauty. I think, that once Forren plays when he's on form, everyone will fall in love with his ability and he won't be hitting the bench for a long, long time. He is better than Fonte and both Hooiveld and Yoshida aren't even close. Assuming you can keep him, he might even end up being your captain in a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhys_sfc Posted 21 January, 2013 Share Posted 21 January, 2013 He isn't tall, but great in the air. He's not big, but strong. He can shoot on freekicks outside the box and drive it into the cross, and he attacks corners like a world class player. His defensive positioning is probably as good as it'll ever be, meaning, it's probably his strongest feat. He does lack sideways agility, but not reflexes. His intelligence more than makes up for it. His through balls are a thing of beauty. Have to say it's refreshing to hear about the air superiority and 'beautiful' through balls - I can't bear to watch Hooiveld's long balls whenever he is under no pressure at the back. Don't get me wrong his recent performances have been very good, but his decision making and attempted through balls do lose us too much possession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 21 January, 2013 Share Posted 21 January, 2013 Would not surprise me if Forren starts tonight. Let's face it, what is there to lose? I reckon he could partner Yoshi admirably. Having said that, Fonte seemed to be available for training over the weekend, so who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jai27 Posted 21 January, 2013 Share Posted 21 January, 2013 Apparently Forren is watching from the stands tonight... Unfit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 21 January, 2013 Share Posted 21 January, 2013 Apparently Forren is watching from the stands tonight... Unfit? Yeah, been confirmed by himself that he's not involved tonight. He hasn't played since early December, so no surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 21 January, 2013 Share Posted 21 January, 2013 As a Forren fan who is just here to congratulate this club for a bargain signing, I may be a bit biased, but: Forren is very much like a younger Thomas Vermaelen. He isn't tall, but great in the air. He's not big, but strong. He can shoot on freekicks outside the box and drive it into the cross, and he attacks corners like a world class player. His defensive positioning is probably as good as it'll ever be, meaning, it's probably his strongest feat. He does lack sideways agility, but not reflexes. His intelligence more than makes up for it. His through balls are a thing of beauty. I think, that once Forren plays when he's on form, everyone will fall in love with his ability and he won't be hitting the bench for a long, long time. He is better than Fonte and both Hooiveld and Yoshida aren't even close. Assuming you can keep him, he might even end up being your captain in a few years. I am underwhelmed by his signing and by your description of him. Hopefully he won't be starting tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas J Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 I am underwhelmed by his signing and by your description of him. Hopefully he won't be starting tonight You will eat those words. This time next year you'll be saying he's your very best player, mark my words. But your passive-aggressive attempt at trolling amuse me, if not make me pity you slightly for the narrow mind you obviously have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 Yoshi and Forren I think, despite Fonte having a good season. Am I right in saying they're both around 24? Fonte as first back up and Hooiveld as 2nd. Suddenly we're looking pretty strong at the back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 Hooiveld and Yoshida helped to keep a clean sheet last night against a high flying Everton team, Fonte has shown real quality lately too, so when you add Forren into the equation we are much better off than the earlier part of the season ! I think that between them we are now pretty well covered and to add anyone else at this stage might rock the boat a bit, best to stick with it and hope for the best IMO !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 Yoshida and Forren bonding... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 Hooveld is a liability though, he let Jelavic walk into the box free where he should have scored and his distribution from the back is awful. Forren and Yoshida will be the first choice pair with Fonte to back them up and a lad from the Academy as 4th choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldbarbarian Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 I agree with those who say Yoshida & Forren. I think Yoshida has really come on since his arrival, his reading of the game is fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 Hooiveld was obviously carrying a groin injury from the first 10 minutes and still feeling it late on, so given the difficult nature of groin injuries in terms of resting them, I wouldn't be surprised if he's not even fit for the next home game. Interesting that Forren didn't even make the bench - is he not fit, or not in the country at the moment ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 I agree with those who say Yoshida & Forren. I think Yoshida has really come on since his arrival, his reading of the game is fantastic. He's bloody awful at judging balls over his head though ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 Hooiveld was obviously carrying a groin injury from the first 10 minutes and still feeling it late on, so given the difficult nature of groin injuries in terms of resting them, I wouldn't be surprised if he's not even fit for the next home game. Interesting that Forren didn't even make the bench - is he not fit, or not in the country at the moment ? Hasn't played since early December so needs a weeks full training before he's involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 Hooiveld was obviously carrying a groin injury from the first 10 minutes and still feeling it late on, so given the difficult nature of groin injuries in terms of resting them, I wouldn't be surprised if he's not even fit for the next home game. Interesting that Forren didn't even make the bench - is he not fit, or not in the country at the moment ? Forren was in the stands, not quite fit enough apparently, gone to Spain with the others though. As for Jos, yes he did look like he was struggling with some sort of injury from early on, who was the CB on the bench ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 I still don't rate Yoshida, sorry that's my opinion. He is not physically strong enough and crap in the air. I think Fonte's return to form before injury helped Yoshida look better, but every areal ball he looks so uncomfortable and often let's it bounce. I would say. It will be Fonte and Forren, mark my words, Yoshida was a panic buy. Be interesting to see how Yoshida copes tonight Well, he could easily have been my MOM last night, my main gripe about him was his distribution which has improved remarkably. He looked so classy last night, never really putting a foot wrong and I noticed was often on hand to cover for Hoovields poor positioning at times and when Clyne was overpowered he was there to mop up. I saw him ably manage to cope with Feliani in the air which is no mean feet either. I personally have thought he was the better of Fonte and Yoshi partnership recently and is improving every week, I just dont see how people dont see it. You dont need to be a unit at the back any more if you have a bit of pace and your positioning is good which is the situation he is in at the moment. Its not as important being a mountain at the back any more, football is becoming quicker and more technical. Long term partnership will be Yoshi and Forren IMO though its slightly undair on Fonte who has stepped up fantastically. For a panic buy Yoshi seriously isnt bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The9 Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 Forren was in the stands, not quite fit enough apparently, gone to Spain with the others though. As for Jos, yes he did look like he was struggling with some sort of injury from early on, who was the CB on the bench ? I'd say Richardson, but I saw him play CB at Stevenage, and he's no CB any more. So we basically didn't have one. To be honest I think we asked Hooiveld to play injured, knowing we didn't have an alternative. He was injured VERY early, and also obviously suffering after the shot through his legs late on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu0x Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 You dont need to be a unit at the back any more if you have a bit of pace and your positioning is good which is the situation he is in at the moment. Never did really, it's just the blinkered idiotic default English mentality that centre backs should be hulking giants. Amazing really, considering who captained us to our only ever World Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 Given Fonte's seniority and the fact that he is part of the squad's backbone, I expect him to be our main starting CB when back to full fitness, with Forren and Yoshida alternating in defense. In fact I'd say Forren is coming in to replace Hooiveld as our 3rd CB, with another addition coming along in the summer. So, without injuries, I'd go for Fonte-Yoshida, and I'm sure Pochettino will have realized it from his research previous to January. Hooiveld is making the same mistakes with the only difference that he isn't getting punished for them. That foul on Fellaini (who he never got hold of during the game) just proves that he shouldn't be in the Premier League. He was miles ahead going for the ball but was just too slow and reckless and conceded a stupid foul. His aerial threat is also ridiculous considering his size. Both Fonte and Yoshida add much more not only to our build-up play, but are much more of a threat in set pieces. The team just flows naturally really looks like a unit with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin_au Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 yoshida is better than jakobsson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itchen_block4 Posted 22 January, 2013 Share Posted 22 January, 2013 Go to form and fitness, whoever that brings up. None of them are entitled to a place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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