I take it back

[Huffton]

Having slept on it/sobered up/calmed down a bit, I rescind my post from yesterday. Of course I don't want the club to go down, and I back the new manager and the players 100%. I'm a Saints fan, ans always will be, I was before Cortese came along, and all things being well I will be long after he is gone.

Thats not to say I'm not still fuming about the situation, but as a fan what can I do? Either go and carry on enjoying my football, or go and do something else.

So there you go, apologies for the silly post, but no apologies for thinking Cortese is a bit of a see you next tuesday.

UTS

[for_heaven's_Saint]

Having slept on it/sobered up/calmed down a bit, I rescind my post from yesterday. Of course I don't want the club to go down, and I back the new manager and the players 100%. I'm a Saints fan, ans always will be, I was before Cortese came along, and all things being well I will be long after he is gone.

Thats not to say I'm not still fuming about the situation, but as a fan what can I do? Either go and carry on enjoying my football, or go and do something else.

So there you go, apologies for the silly post, but no apologies for thinking Cortese is a bit of a see you next tuesday.

UTS

 

Fair play.

[Crab Lungs]

I don't even know what you said!?

[Huffton]

I don't even know what you said!?

 

A poorly worded, drunken emotional rant. Probably best left at that:blush:

[S-Clarke]

Credit to you for coming back and posting that.

 

It's easy to let your emotions jump above your head, sometimes it's a bit more sensible to resist posting until a bit after the event. It's the same after a defeat, emotions are so more extreme in the minutes after as opposed to what they'll be 24 hours later. Rational minds go out of the question at the heat of the moment.

 

I think we're all in the same boat really. We were pretty embarrassed by the events on Friday and how the dismissal came about, but we all want the best for our club at the end of the day. The talks of protests/boycotts etc are just that, talk. We know that we need to get behind the team now and I don't think tomorrow will be as hostile as some are anticipating. NC is fortunate we didn't have a game on Saturday, as I'm sure he'd have felt the full force of our irrational minds then!

[Colinjb]

I think you are reflecting how a fair few of us are feeling. Don't worry about it.

[Crab Lungs]

A poorly worded, drunken emotional rant. Probably best left at that:blush:

 

Oh... it happens! Fair play to coming back!

[CanadaSaint]

Good for you, Huffton. Without the emotion, this sport is nothing. As I suspect I won't have any say in it at the time in question, the words ringing in my ears as I (hopefully) pass through the Pearly Gates will be my mum's and my wife's - "I don't know why you get so upset; it's only a game."

[Ziggy]

Having slept on it/sobered up/calmed down a bit, I rescind my post from yesterday. Of course I don't want the club to go down, and I back the new manager and the players 100%. I'm a Saints fan, ans always will be, I was before Cortese came along, and all things being well I will be long after he is gone.

Thats not to say I'm not still fuming about the situation, but as a fan what can I do? Either go and carry on enjoying my football, or go and do something else.

So there you go, apologies for the silly post, but no apologies for thinking Cortese is a bit of a see you next tuesday.

UTS

 

Good man. You have a right to be annoyed! And you voiced what many of us were thinking. Plus you clearly haven't had enough to drink tonight!

[trousers]

Good news! I get to withdraw my facepalm and deploy it elsewhere

[Ed Rooney]

Having slept on it/sobered up/calmed down a bit, I rescind my post from yesterday. Of course I don't want the club to go down, and I back the new manager and the players 100%. I'm a Saints fan, ans always will be, I was before Cortese came along, and all things being well I will be long after he is gone.

Thats not to say I'm not still fuming about the situation, but as a fan what can I do? Either go and carry on enjoying my football, or go and do something else.

So there you go, apologies for the silly post, but no apologies for thinking Cortese is a bit of a see you next tuesday.

UTS

 

Fair Play COYR

[BadgerBadger]

It can be cathartic spilling the beans on the loud mouth juice, struck many a chord I reckon

[scotty]

It can be cathartic spilling the beans on the loud mouth juice, struck many a chord I reckon

 

 

It can indeed. And I have to confess to posting somewhat drunkenly about our situation on another, ahem, not entirely salubrious website myself. NC has now been added to the hallowed hall of infamy that is C*nts Corner.

[pingwing]

You go through 5 stages of grief

 

1. Denial

2. Anger

3. Bargaining

4. Depression

5. Acceptance

 

I fell I (as most fans) have been through this, many of us are on different levels (and some feel no grief for Adkins going at all who are a different case) and I now feel I am on acceptance too.

 

Hate Adkins is gone but accept there is nothing I can do and want my team to do well still.

 

It'll all come rushing back if big players are sold though, that'll be another trip through the 5 stages we don't need/

[LGTL]

I would have been raging Saturday, but the game being tomorrow will have calmed me down somewhat. I'm expecting a few NA chants, as it should be, but not anything hostile.

[Saint Fan CaM]

o through 5 stages of grief

 

1. Denial

2. Anger

3. Bargaining

4. Depression

5. Acceptance

 

I fell I (as most fans) have been through this, many of us are on different levels (and some feel no grief for Adkins going at all who are a different case) and I now feel I am on acceptance too.

 

Hate Adkins is gone but accept there is nothing I can do and want my team to do well still.

 

It'll all come rushing back if big players are sold though, that'll be another trip through the 5 stages we don't need/

 

Good post - sums up the reason why some are still making up stuff - they've not moved past their depressive states.

[slickmick]

You go through 5 stages of grief

 

1. Denial

2. Anger

3. Bargaining

4. Depression

5. Acceptance

 

I fell I (as most fans) have been through this, many of us are on different levels (and some feel no grief for Adkins going at all who are a different case) and I now feel I am on acceptance too.

 

Hate Adkins is gone but accept there is nothing I can do and want my team to do well still.

 

It'll all come rushing back if big players are sold though, that'll be another trip through the 5 stages we don't need/

 

Big players will be sold without a doubt, but only for bigger players. I can accept and see where Cortese is coming from now.

As for Nigel Adkins, he has been sacked at the right time from his point of view. He is at his peak and would be employable to many Prem teams at present. Would that still be the case if we got relegated ?

Cortese has made no seccret of his ambition and that's Champions league football. To get there changes will have to be made through out the club, from the one that was in league one.

One thing is for sure though, those that doubted or laughed at the thought, will now see how serious he is about it.

[stknowle]

Having slept on it/sobered up/calmed down a bit, I rescind my post from yesterday. Of course I don't want the club to go down, and I back the new manager and the players 100%. I'm a Saints fan, ans always will be, I was before Cortese came along, and all things being well I will be long after he is gone.

Thats not to say I'm not still fuming about the situation, but as a fan what can I do? Either go and carry on enjoying my football, or go and do something else.

So there you go, apologies for the silly post, but no apologies for thinking Cortese is a bit of a see you next tuesday.

UTS

 

Mate, you were in a Huff.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

FFS I wanted your season ticket...

[Secret Site Agent]

Having slept on it/sobered up/calmed down a bit, I rescind my post from yesterday. Of course I don't want the club to go down, and I back the new manager and the players 100%. I'm a Saints fan, ans always will be, I was before Cortese came along, and all things being well I will be long after he is gone.

Thats not to say I'm not still fuming about the situation, but as a fan what can I do? Either go and carry on enjoying my football, or go and do something else.

So there you go, apologies for the silly post, but no apologies for thinking Cortese is a bit of a see you next tuesday.

UTS

 

Don't worry. We have all been there.

 

You're forgiven.

[isorry]

I didn't read the original post, but this one does make me think how many supporters are genuinely finding it difficult to come to terms with this decision, and how many feel significantly less passionate about the club than they did a few days ago.

 

I feel strange writing it, as nothing in the last 20 years has made me waver for a moment, but I have to admit that for now the shine has gone from supporting Southampton. I may well just be taking my time in moving through those 5 phases mentioned above, but currently it seems to go a bit deeper than that.

 

If this was clearly in the interests of the club I would understand, but you can't really argue that by explaining that it is just extreme ambition. The only club to achieve champions league qualification from outside the usual names in recent years is Everton. They didn't need to appoint a foreign coach to attract the players to do it with. They've stuck with one manager because they found someone who is clearly good at the job.

 

Getting rid of good people is not something you'll find anyone in business advocating. You will find them saying that ruthless leaders do not create great companies. To my knowledge Cortese is a banker by trade. He might be financially astute but that is something different to being a good leader.

 

A manager who learns from his mistakes can't be called out of his depth, at least not for long, and if Adkins was accused of that this season it was only because he wasn't afraid to show some imagination and do what he thought was right, rather than play everything safe.

 

For all of my years of irrational love for Southampton, I currently struggle to feel enthusiastic about an organisation that conducts itself in this way. Hopefully at 8 o'clock tonight that will change. Anyway, i've not exactly stuck to my point here, but is anyone else in the same boat?

[O_RLY]

I didn't read the original post, but this one does make me think how many supporters are genuinely finding it difficult to come to terms with this decision, and how many feel significantly less passionate about the club than they did a few days ago.

 

I feel strange writing it, as nothing in the last 20 years has made me waver for a moment, but I have to admit that for now the shine has gone from supporting Southampton. I may well just be taking my time in moving through those 5 phases mentioned above, but currently it seems to go a bit deeper than that.

 

If this was clearly in the interests of the club I would understand, but you can't really argue that by explaining that it is just extreme ambition. The only club to achieve champions league qualification from outside the usual names in recent years is Everton. They didn't need to appoint a foreign coach to attract the players to do it with. They've stuck with one manager because they found someone who is clearly good at the job.

 

Getting rid of good people is not something you'll find anyone in business advocating. You will find them saying that ruthless leaders do not create great companies. To my knowledge Cortese is a banker by trade. He might be financially astute but that is something different to being a good leader.

 

A manager who learns from his mistakes can't be called out of his depth, at least not for long, and if Adkins was accused of that this season it was only because he wasn't afraid to show some imagination and do what he thought was right, rather than play everything safe.

 

For all of my years of irrational love for Southampton, I currently struggle to feel enthusiastic about an organisation that conducts itself in this way. Hopefully at 8 o'clock tonight that will change. Anyway, i've not exactly stuck to my point here, but is anyone else in the same boat?

 

Yes. This is my thoughts exactly, on Friday it was anger and Saturday now I just feel a bit detached.

[OldNick]

Great ot have you back in the real world Huffton

[pingwing]

Good post - sums up the reason why some are still making up stuff - they've not moved past their depressive states.

 

Yeah it's really hard to make the jump from 4 to 5 (some fans haven't done it over Pardew still) but it'll come eventually.

 

Big players will be sold without a doubt, but only for bigger players. I can accept and see where Cortese is coming from now.

As for Nigel Adkins, he has been sacked at the right time from his point of view. He is at his peak and would be employable to many Prem teams at present. Would that still be the case if we got relegated ?

Cortese has made no seccret of his ambition and that's Champions league football. To get there changes will have to be made through out the club, from the one that was in league one.

One thing is for sure though, those that doubted or laughed at the thought, will now see how serious he is about it.

 

That's the bit that worries me, what Cortese's vision of a big player and our (or my) vision will be very different. I accept Lambert probably won't be here forever (as he's not fashionable) but I will worry that players like Lallana, Cork, Schniderlin haven't had the international recognition yet and as such will be cast off into the "not big enough" heap which is where the whole thing will cycle back round to the start of the grief cycle. It's just a worry for now that I hope isn't realised any time soon (mostly as I have no idea who really would be better in the middle of the park for us).

[aintforever]

I didn't read the original post, but this one does make me think how many supporters are genuinely finding it difficult to come to terms with this decision, and how many feel significantly less passionate about the club than they did a few days ago.

 

I feel strange writing it, as nothing in the last 20 years has made me waver for a moment, but I have to admit that for now the shine has gone from supporting Southampton. I may well just be taking my time in moving through those 5 phases mentioned above, but currently it seems to go a bit deeper than that.

 

If this was clearly in the interests of the club I would understand, but you can't really argue that by explaining that it is just extreme ambition. The only club to achieve champions league qualification from outside the usual names in recent years is Everton. They didn't need to appoint a foreign coach to attract the players to do it with. They've stuck with one manager because they found someone who is clearly good at the job.

 

Getting rid of good people is not something you'll find anyone in business advocating. You will find them saying that ruthless leaders do not create great companies. To my knowledge Cortese is a banker by trade. He might be financially astute but that is something different to being a good leader.

 

A manager who learns from his mistakes can't be called out of his depth, at least not for long, and if Adkins was accused of that this season it was only because he wasn't afraid to show some imagination and do what he thought was right, rather than play everything safe.

 

For all of my years of irrational love for Southampton, I currently struggle to feel enthusiastic about an organisation that conducts itself in this way. Hopefully at 8 o'clock tonight that will change. Anyway, i've not exactly stuck to my point here, but is anyone else in the same boat?

 

Good post, sums up how I feel.

 

Nigel's sacking was particularly hard to take because of the genuine pride we felt after the recent good results. It's easy for us to relate to his situation. I expect we've all been in a position at work where our skills have been put to the test and have come through and proven that we're up to the job. Adkins really looked like he had worked his ass off and proved he could take us forward.

[JustMike]

Having slept on it/sobered up/calmed down a bit, I rescind my post from yesterday. Of course I don't want the club to go down, and I back the new manager and the players 100%. I'm a Saints fan, ans always will be, I was before Cortese came along, and all things being well I will be long after he is gone.

Thats not to say I'm not still fuming about the situation, but as a fan what can I do? Either go and carry on enjoying my football, or go and do something else.

So there you go, apologies for the silly post, but no apologies for thinking Cortese is a bit of a see you next tuesday.

UTS

 

well done, now do I set up a poll to decide if we will allow you back into the fold?

[shurlock]

Fair enough to the OP -having called the original post 'moronic'.

Take a thousand of those posts over some self-righteous piece in the nationals for whom we're the soapbox du jour.

[red&white56]

I didn't read the original post, but this one does make me think how many supporters are genuinely finding it difficult to come to terms with this decision, and how many feel significantly less passionate about the club than they did a few days ago.

 

I feel strange writing it, as nothing in the last 20 years has made me waver for a moment, but I have to admit that for now the shine has gone from supporting Southampton. I may well just be taking my time in moving through those 5 phases mentioned above, but currently it seems to go a bit deeper than that.

 

If this was clearly in the interests of the club I would understand, but you can't really argue that by explaining that it is just extreme ambition. The only club to achieve champions league qualification from outside the usual names in recent years is Everton. They didn't need to appoint a foreign coach to attract the players to do it with. They've stuck with one manager because they found someone who is clearly good at the job.

 

Getting rid of good people is not something you'll find anyone in business advocating. You will find them saying that ruthless leaders do not create great companies. To my knowledge Cortese is a banker by trade. He might be financially astute but that is something different to being a good leader.

 

A manager who learns from his mistakes can't be called out of his depth, at least not for long, and if Adkins was accused of that this season it was only because he wasn't afraid to show some imagination and do what he thought was right, rather than play everything safe.

 

For all of my years of irrational love for Southampton, I currently struggle to feel enthusiastic about an organisation that conducts itself in this way. Hopefully at 8 o'clock tonight that will change. Anyway, i've not exactly stuck to my point here, but is anyone else in the same boat?

 

 

Nicely put. I would add that Cortese's profession as a banker does not make him a moral person. In fact over the past few years we have seen that parts of the banking world (investment banking) is very happy to act unethically, illegally and immorally to get to their target.

 

Also, for me, this is not a case of "the ends justify the means", the end result is not guaranteed. Even if it was guaranteed there is something called Values, which in a community club like SFC should include Respect. The club's management did not act with any respect to Nigel Adkins. A part of the club died the day the chairman decided to act the way he did.

[Jai27]

Hello!

 

After following this forum for a number of years I've finally decided to bite the bullet and sign up. First post, so go easy on me!

 

I've been driven to do so by recent events and can honestly say that my general feelings toward the whole situation are very similar to Hufftons. I'm embarrassed to say that I was actually in a state of Shock when Nigel was dismissed and was previously unaware that Saints and football meant that much to me. Don't get me wrong, I love it all as much as the next supporter but it is after all, a hobby. As a number of people have said on here already, I think that this is down to the fact that Nigel seemed like a genuinely nice bloke and had been the face to our revival as a club on the pitch. Since league 1 we have all been on this journey together and grown along the way. I thought we had finally found our long term manager and I had not been so pleased with our man at the helm since Gordon Strachan. I was livid with Cortese, the club and Italians in general.

 

It felt like we were all 'part' of the club for a change with players like Lallana, Lambert, Jose, Kelvin and others seemingly actually possessing loyalty. We had a team, not just a rabble of individuals. I appreciate that there are still here and that we still have that team, but without their leader what will happen? I don't want to support a team like Man City. I don't want overpaid pretty boys playing for us. They weren't the best players ever.... but I grew up watching and worshiping players like Chrisy Marsden, Fabrice Fernandes and Marian Parhars. Loved every minute of it.

 

I forget who it was but someone on here stated that it appeared we were part of the club instead of just customers and I couldn't have agreed more. I'm not so sure anymore.

 

I was ashamed to be a Saints fan for the first time in my life. We had no reason to dismiss him and I truly believe this will come back to haunt us. If we go down, what will happen? There will be a huge backlash from a large majority of fans and it will be remembered for years to go as one of the most idiotic decisions in recent years.

 

A few days on and I've calmed down a bit, however I still don't see the logic in any of it. People have been saying that Nigel had done all he could for us, he'd taken us as far as he could. On what basis? He is young and obviously improving with each new experience. How can anyone even suggest that he has reached his peak? He was an unproven new manager in the premier league with a good knowledge of English football, and we have chucked him out for what I can only see as a less qualified replacement. I'll always support Saints (despite an hour long rant to a friend on Saturday declaring my new allegiance to AFC Wimbledon - my new local team) and I really do wish Mauricio Pochettino the best of luck. He's innocent until proven guilty in my eyes and if the club thinks he has the potential then so be it.

 

Anyway, I realize that most of this has been said already but everyone I know is sick of hearing about this so now its your turn

 

Cheers

[isorry]

Nicely put. I would add that Cortese's profession as a banker does not make him a moral person. In fact over the past few years we have seen that parts of the banking world (investment banking) is very happy to act unethically, illegally and immorally to get to their target.

 

Also, for me, this is not a case of "the ends justify the means", the end result is not guaranteed. Even if it was guaranteed there is something called Values, which in a community club like SFC should include Respect. The club's management did not act with any respect to Nigel Adkins. A part of the club died the day the chairman decided to act the way he did.

 

Dramatic words at the end but completely true in my opinion. I also agree with everything the last poster says about logic.

 

The combination of lack of logic, lack of decency, and the massive arrogance of the decision maker, all leaves me feeling a bit cold.

 

Ultimately it seems quite boring to me taking the well trodden path of throwing money in, chopping and changing managers ruthlessly, and maybe achieving success if you get lucky, or sinking without trace if not (and obviously you've got to have a big investment in youth). I was enjoying the process of doing it properly by getting the right people on board and letting them work hard to succeed, I felt like we were proving something at the same time.