Thedelldays Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 If NC is just an employee.. As Turkish says and he is proved to be right Then surely he (NC) has a boss somewhere and answerable to someone. Then why does the anger stop at cortese. Why not "drum" the Liebherrs out??? There is every chance they are more than happy with how te club is run and how their investment has increased dramatically over the years Seems odd that they seem completely void of any criticism what so ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Probably because now they are faceless. Who really owns Saints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoobysaint Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Because they saved Southampton Football Club. Your village must be missing an idiot tonight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Probably because now they are faceless. Who really owns Saints? No doubt there will be anti cortese songs... Bet there is not one single anti Liebherr song. Just like at the bridge where no one dares have a pop at roman Just curious really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Because they saved Southampton Football Club. Your village must be missing an idiot tonight! And they seem perfectly happy to let the club be run this way. The way that ruthlessly let Nigel go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 The Estate is run by Cortese - the family have no dealings with club. What agenda do you have? Have we not suffered enough over the last couple of days without trying to rake up even more dirt? FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoobysaint Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Surely this thread is a wind up. Didn't this very forum raise funds for a flag to honour Mr Liebherr and what he did to save the club. They have provided us with some great football, great memories and ultimately a club to still support. Now you want to boo them. Please get a grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 And they seem perfectly happy to let the club be run this way. The way that ruthlessly let Nigel go... You were calling for him to be sacked just a few weeks ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 20 January, 2013 The Estate is run by Cortese - the family have no dealings with club. What agenda do you have? Have we not suffered enough over the last couple of days without trying to rake up even more dirt? FFS. How do you know. Are you saying NC is the owner? Or is he just another employee? If he is an employee then he is answerable to someone in a multi million pound investment at stake??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Surely this thread is a wind up. Didn't this very forum raise funds for a flag to honour Mr Liebherr and what he did to save the club. They have provided us with some great football, great memories and ultimately a club to still support. Now you want to boo them. Please get a grip. Jamie has turned a bit odd recently Scoobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 20 January, 2013 You were calling for him to be sacked just a few weeks ago A few months ago. And many who are outraged by this have admitted the same Yes, I was up for a change end of November... Now is mental Got no problem admitting that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Because apart from setting the general budget, it seems they have very little input in the actual running of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Cheap shot - Move on dellend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Because apart from setting the general budget, it seems they have very little input in the actual running of the club. We have no idea do we? Even if setting the general budget. If making such a decision that could potentially lose THEM millions upon millions. Surely they would have a say???? Is that such an extreme idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 How do you know. Are you saying NC is the owner? Or is he just another employee? If he is an employee thenhis e is answerable to someone in a militia million pound investment at stake??? No, I am saying Cortese runs the show, but the show does not belong to him. He is looking after ML's estate - a guardian perhaps. WTF has this got to do with militia FFS - are you for real?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Don't forget. It was Cortese who introduced the idea of a Saints takeover to Markus in the first place. Without Nicola, the takeover may never have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 I know that the liebherrs visit st Mary's only a handful of times per year and they demand absolute secrecy about their arrival and don't want people to know they are there.....don't ask me how I know this,you'll just have to trust me on this.........so I'm gleaning from this behavior that they are not really interested in the day to day cogs and wheels of SFC. Cortese has been given the key to the kingdom I'm afraid so good luck with getting the family to make a comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 20 January, 2013 No, I am saying Cortese runs the show, but the show does not belong to him. He is looking after ML's estate - a guardian perhaps. WTF has this got to do with militia FFS - are you for real?!? Edited. Poor predictive text Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Genuinely, which other club has fans who are happy with the owners of their club? For me the Liebherr family brought us from the wilderness and have provided me with some of the happiest memories as a Saints fan. On balance, I am happy with their ownership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Genuinely, which other club has fans who are happy with the owners of their club? For me the Liebherr family brought us from the wilderness and have provided me with some of the happiest memories as a Saints fan. On balance, I am happy with their ownership. Which is fair enough. Just you have many fans utterly livid at NC for Adkins going and some want to "drum him out of the club" But he is their man. Always has been and don't see anything for that to change.... Why not have a pop at them for what people say is the disgraceful sacking of Adkins. But no one wants to go down that road... Which I get. Just thought I would raise the discussion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 NC has sacked managers before and now put the club in a position that should we even get relegated we stand to rake in 90 million. Has seen us go from the depths for a cost of 15m to the prem in 3 years. He has sacked managers before, sold popular players. So ask yourself, from the leibherrs point of view is he really doing a bad job ? I have a problem as we are viewed negatively, he acts with little respect and 'this' decision 'could' cost us prem survival but on the whole he is a success. So whats your point ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonroader07 Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Because they saved Southampton Football Club. Your village must be missing an idiot tonight! Well said mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 It's disappointing that our current custodians do not seem to be taking a closer interest, instead they are happy to let Nicola Cortese run the show. As long as the Saints are growing i'm sure he will be under no direct pressure... especially as without Cortese's close relationship with their father they wouldn't have been involved in the first place. "It was your project, idea and baby Nicola..... Get on with it!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 And they seem perfectly happy to let the club be run this way. The way that ruthlessly let Nigel go... Probably because they trust Cortese ,no mistakes so far. Their attitude is " oh youve got a new manager in charge. The other one was under performing ? Fine Nicola whatever you think is best". Youre another one Id expect more sense from. This sort of thing happens in businesses all over the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Which is fair enough. Just you have many fans utterly livid at NC for Adkins going and some want to "drum him out of the club" But he is their man. Always has been and don't see anything for that to change.... Why not have a pop at them for what people say is the disgraceful sacking of Adkins. But no one wants to go down that road... Which I get. Just thought I would raise the discussion As a business family they'll just look at the bottom line. Lets no forget they didn't buy us because they love Southampton and the club, it was a business opportunity. partly to have a pop at me though wasnt it, like in your OP. Patheitc Jamie.Why have you turned into a bitter little wierdo, you used to be alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 20 January, 2013 partly to have a pop at me though wasnt it, like in your OP. Patheitc Jamie.Why have you turned into a bitter little wierdo, you used to be alright. What. Just raising a point and you made a good one that NC is "just another employee" If so, then he is answerable to someone and this massive decision could well lose someone (not NC as he is an employee) tens of millions of ££££ Surely, someone above NC must have been involved with such a huge decision. The only people above NC are the Liebherrs... Just thought I would raise what I think is a valid point. Personally, I think this is all NC show and he is NOT an employee... But there are plenty who think he is... Have no idea who is right though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Personally, I think this is all NC show and he is NOT an employee... But there are plenty who think he is... Have no idea who is right though Contractually and legally he probably is. I personally believe that there is much more of a personal and emotional link then that, especially as he was the key architect of the initial takeover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Because they saved Southampton Football Club. Your village must be missing an idiot tonight! It was a fair question. I guess the reason is that NC is the public face of the project. Secondly there is a real fear that if the family went we'd be up **** creek without a paddle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Had it not been for Cortese and the Liebherr's it is unlikely we would be in the Premier League in January 2013 to be complaining about what seems to be a very harsh sacking of the manager. Had we not had the takeover in 2009, okay we would have survived somehow, but it is unlikely we'd have been in the Premier League, probably struggling in the Championship with a lack of financial resources by this point. Be grateful for what they have given us. Adkins hasn't been sacked because Cortese/Liebherr's don't care about the club. Cortese has high ambitions for the club that he believes Adkins wouldn't have been able to achieve. Yes, today on the face of it it seems very harsh, but Cortese is doing what he believes to be in the best interests of the club to progress to where he believes it can go. Cortese has achieved a lot of what he has promised already, so we should give him some degree of trust that he is doing this for the best and Southampton Football Club will be stronger as a result of his actions. Accuse me of being a Cortese puppet if you wish, but he has been very good for this club. His ruthless streak doesn't sit well with many, but he does have a strong track record and I for one trust his judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 It was a fair question. I guess the reason is that NC is the public face of the project. Secondly there is a real fear that if the family went we'd be up **** creek without a paddle. Which leaves the question. If Nicola Cortese did resign as a point of honour, as a few fans seem to want at the moment, and the support of Markus Liebherr's estate also went along with him, would we be happy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 It's pretty obvious the Leibherrs are taking a back seat and letting Cortese run the show. They will only give a sh!te if Cortese's decisions start costing them money. I dont think they would hesitate in getting shot of Cortese or the club if things go bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoobysaint Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 In a business sense, Cortese can't be faulted. Pro -Sacked Pardew, got in Adkins - Cat 1 academy - New training facilities -Won't be held to ransom by players (eg. Punch) -Won't pay over the odds for players -Two promotions - Wembley final Cons - Acts a businessman and makes decisions ruled by the head, not the heart. - Upset fans when sacking Pardew -Upset fans when sacking NA -Doesn't tell the fans or the press what players we are trying to sign. Love him or hate him, he's done alright so far. And for the record, I didnt want NA to go but this is business and an investment, not merely football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 A few months ago. And many who are outraged by this have admitted the same Yes, I was up for a change end of November... Now is mental Got no problem admitting that But that suggests your main gripe is the timing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 What. Just raising a point and you made a good one that NC is "just another employee" If so, then he is answerable to someone and this massive decision could well lose someone (not NC as he is an employee) tens of millions of ££££ Surely, someone above NC must have been involved with such a huge decision. The only people above NC are the Liebherrs... Just thought I would raise what I think is a valid point. Personally, I think this is all NC show and he is NOT an employee... But there are plenty who think he is... Have no idea who is right though he was employed by ML to run the club orginally. When ML died Cortese said he is in charge. He runs the club but doesnt own it. Yes, he is just an employee, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Had it not been for Cortese and the Liebherr's it is unlikely we would be in the Premier League in January 2013 to be complaining about what seems to be a very harsh sacking of the manager. Had we not had the takeover in 2009, okay we would have survived somehow, but it is unlikely we'd have been in the Premier League, probably struggling in the Championship with a lack of financial resources by this point. Be grateful for what they have given us. Adkins hasn't been sacked because Cortese/Liebherr's don't care about the club. Cortese has high ambitions for the club that he believes Adkins wouldn't have been able to achieve. Yes, today on the face of it it seems very harsh, but Cortese is doing what he believes to be in the best interests of the club to progress to where he believes it can go. Cortese has achieved a lot of what he has promised already, so we should give him some degree of trust that he is doing this for the best and Southampton Football Club will be stronger as a result of his actions. Accuse me of being a Cortese puppet if you wish, but he has been very good for this club. His ruthless streak doesn't sit well with many, but he does have a strong track record and I for one trust his judgement. An intelligent post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Cons - Acts a businessman and makes decisions ruled by the head, not the heart. -Doesn't tell the fans or the press what players we are trying to sign. I'd say those are pros rather than cons for a chairman of a football club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoobysaint Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 I'd say those are pros rather than cons for a chairman of a football club. I totally agree with you but many this is what so many posters seem to get upset about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Genuinely, which other club has fans who are happy with the owners of their club? C'mon, there must be one in the 92? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 C'mon, there must be one in the 92? I would expect Manchester City fans to be on the whole reasonably happy that they are owned by the state of Abu Dhabi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 C'mon, there must be one in the 92? middlesborough? I thought they all liked steve Gibson Definitely Swansea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 In a business sense, Cortese can't be faulted. Pro -Sacked Pardew, got in Adkins - Cat 1 academy - New training facilities -Won't be held to ransom by players (eg. Punch) -Won't pay over the odds for players -Two promotions - Wembley final Cons - Acts a businessman and makes decisions ruled by the head, not the heart. - Upset fans when sacking Pardew -Upset fans when sacking NA -Doesn't tell the fans or the press what players we are trying to sign. Love him or hate him, he's done alright so far. And for the record, I didnt want NA to go but this is business and an investment, not merely football. You forgot parking charges. Quite rightly the final straw for some fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Because they saved Southampton Football Club. Your village must be missing an idiot tonight!They did not save Saints - they picked up a bargain. Your interpretation is not wrong you just need to look at it through another perspective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 C'mon, there must be one in the 92? I expect Norwich fans are pretty happy. People who own the club achieve success without acting like complete c*nts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 They did not save Saints - they picked up a bargain. Your interpretation is not wrong you just need to look at it through another perspective It's only a bargain if there is a buyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Had it not been for Cortese and the Liebherr's it is unlikely we would be in the Premier League in January 2013 to be complaining about what seems to be a very harsh sacking of the manager. Had we not had the takeover in 2009, okay we would have survived somehow, but it is unlikely we'd have been in the Premier League, probably struggling in the Championship with a lack of financial resources by this point. Be grateful for what they have given us. Adkins hasn't been sacked because Cortese/Liebherr's don't care about the club. Cortese has high ambitions for the club that he believes Adkins wouldn't have been able to achieve. Yes, today on the face of it it seems very harsh, but Cortese is doing what he believes to be in the best interests of the club to progress to where he believes it can go. Cortese has achieved a lot of what he has promised already, so we should give him some degree of trust that he is doing this for the best and Southampton Football Club will be stronger as a result of his actions. Accuse me of being a Cortese puppet if you wish, but he has been very good for this club. His ruthless streak doesn't sit well with many, but he does have a strong track record and I for one trust his judgement. Despite agreeing in the main to what you have written here I am still thinking that this is a real mistake from Cortese right now, my sad feelings for Nige have started to subside and I realise that I was horrified by his sacking because of the man as a person and not necessarily from a managerial POV, he did well enough with cash in lower leagues but the prem is a different beast. That said, if it was progression that NC wanted, why now ? Why not wait ? Surely summer would be the right time ? For me its a gamble that could backfire right now, and I dont think NC is silly enough to gamble so much for survival, it could be three things in my eyes. 1. Adkins knew the writing was on the wall, started looking for jobs etc (not likely) 2. Poch was high on his list, he got tired of waiting for bad results (excuses) and told NC to put up or shut up. 3. A new signing, big name, but would only come with a new man (coutinho) We will see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 They did not save Saints - they picked up a bargain. Your interpretation is not wrong you just need to look at it through another perspective This is what makes me laugh. People seem to think all this happened because of some deep seated love for the club and the cityand couldn't bear to see it go under. It was because they could pick up a club with premier league potential for a snip. I dont doubt that ML may have fallen in love with the club a little once he was here but lets not make out it was brought for any more reason than a good opportunity to make a bit of cash from buying a club cheaply, investing in it and selling it on for a huge profit in the future. i;m not saying that is wrong or i dont appreciate ML's investment, but that is how it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 A few months ago. And many who are outraged by this have admitted the same Yes, I was up for a change end of November... Now is mental Got no problem admitting that So what has happened since the end of Novemmber for you to have such a change of heart? Was it the 1-0 defaet at Liverpool?? Very unlikely as we were s h i t e that day. Was it our 1-0 victory v Reading. 2 scrappy teams played out a poor game then and it hardly seemed ike a manager saving performance that day.. Then of course we had that dreadful game v Sunderland where we would never have scored if the game had gone on until Christmas, Since then we have had steady progress but have hardly been tearing up trees. I fail to see how someone who turned so vehmently against Adkins aftre just 4 games coulg have been swayed so myuch by our perfrmances since the end of November. Now you start this attention seeking "lets lay into the Leibhers" thread. They have only invested £50 million plus in our club and saved us from liquidation but why should they be exempt from the DelDays mood swings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 You forgot parking charges. Quite rightly the final straw for some fans. Arent they to stop people parking there and going shopping ? Doesnt bother me as I just park in the sub and take the 2 minute walk but parking charges is more than a little petty to get your knickers in a twist tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonroader07 Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 This is what makes me laugh. People seem to think all this happened because of some deep seated love for the club and the cityand couldn't bear to see it go under. It was because they could pick up a club with premier league potential for a snip. I dont doubt that ML may have fallen in love with the club a little once he was here but lets not make out it was brought for any more reason than a good opportunity to make a bit of cash from buying a club cheaply, investing in it and selling it on for a huge profit in the future. i;m not saying that is wrong or i dont appreciate ML's investment, but that is how it is. Keep taking the medication, what the cufk are you on about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Keep taking the medication, what the cufk are you on about You think they brought us because they loved the club then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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