Cabrone Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Still can't get my head round this one. We have 16 games to go and were 3 points above the bottom 3 at the time of the sacking. We are still very much in the pressure cooker. To sack a man fully backed by the fans and who was steering the team to a position where survival was more likely than not for a guy who has no premiership experience, can't speak English and has a mixed record still isn't making sense to me. Even if you take a clinical 'win at all costs' view and ignore the back stabbing element of this I'd say the chances of relegation and losing lots of revenue have increased greatly so it's not adding up for me as a pure business decision. If this doesn't work out Cortese will find himself back in the champ with a mutinous set of fans (I'd imagine the new guy would have gone by then). He's dug himself into Lowe hole - he's going to have to work hard to get out now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 As many has pointed out, if Cortese had attended the press conference, the whole thing would be about the sacking of Adkins, and quite unfair to the Pochettino. No on liked the decision to fire Adkins, but you really can't argue with the results Cortese has brought to the club. Many people says they would rather be in league one/championship with another owner, but I struggle to believe that. When it comes to all the rumors presented, especially from you Turkish, some of it might be right, and some of it might be wrong. It's impossible to say. So then should he perhaps arrange a press conference next week or at the end of the month? I'l bet good money he's not got the b**locks to do so ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 So then should he perhaps arrange a press conference next week or at the end of the month? I'l bet good money he's not got the b**locks to do so ... Cortese is much too superior to speak to the fans or indeed the wider public. What he has done must have increased the chances of relegation - that is what the bookies all think. It is simply bonkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waggy Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 I guess any chance of MLT and NC having a reconciliation during this millenium have now been scuppered http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2265446/Southampton-chairman-Nicola-Cortese-coward-ego-problem-says-Saints-hero-Le-Tissier-branding-Adkins-decision-bizarre.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 I guess any chance of MLT and NC having a reconciliation during this millenium have now been scuppered http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2265446/Southampton-chairman-Nicola-Cortese-coward-ego-problem-says-Saints-hero-Le-Tissier-branding-Adkins-decision-bizarre.html I'd say there's a much greater chance that this will get worse at some point - in the form of a lawsuit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Using words like 'coward' never clever - the piction cap also suggests many major mistakes - not sure I can think of too many 'major' mistakes and the Jury is still out on this one... Love Matty for what he did for us, but sometimes you do have to question if HE ever gets advice or listens to it - he does not always present himelf as the brightest... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Don't disagree with anything Matt says there. It's good to have someone so high profile saying it from a Southampton fan's point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Don't disagree with anything Matt says there. It's good to have someone so high profile saying it from some Southampton fan's point of view. surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Using words like 'coward' never clever - the piction cap also suggests many major mistakes - not sure I can think of too many 'major' mistakes and the Jury is still out on this one... Love Matty for what he did for us' date=' but sometimes you do have to question if HE ever gets advice or listens to it - he does not always present himelf as the brightest...[/quote'] As big as matt's mistake backing pinnacle? I loved Matt as a player but recently he's just **** stirring due to a personal feud IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 I guess any chance of MLT and NC having a reconciliation during this millenium have now been scuppered http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2265446/Southampton-chairman-Nicola-Cortese-coward-ego-problem-says-Saints-hero-Le-Tissier-branding-Adkins-decision-bizarre.html Who's this Grant geezer...? Amid rumours of possible protests, Saints fan Steve Grant, who runs SaintsWeb, Southampton's largest internet forum, said Pochettino could expect it to be a far from straight-forward start. Grant warned: 'As far as I am concerned he will have my support but there will be a lot of fans who will take the view that he has got to earn their support. It is going to be difficult given the run of games we have coming up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 20 January, 2013 As big as matt's mistake backing pinnacle? I loved Matt as a player but recently he's just **** stirring due to a personal feud IMO. Bullsh it. Matt can say what he likes after the petty, vindictive treatment he has had from Cortese. His view will always be in the public eye because he's a realtively high profile figure in the media and our greatest ever player. Some of you seem to forget that fact. In fact only this weekend MLT tweeted that when asked why doesn't he just come out and lift the lid on what he knows about Cortese, his reply was that it isn't in the best interests of the club. So p isses all over your **** stirring allegations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Actually, the photo caption kind of misquotes Matt. Photo caption: Arrogant: Nicola Cortese (right) Saints Chairman has made some bad decisions since arriving at the club While Le Tissier said: 'It is a little bit bizarre, but some of the decisions that have been made have been a little bit bizarre since the current chairman took over.' So, that caption should say 'bizarre'. Personally, I don't care if he does have an ego; I'd be surprised if he didn't. I don't think it's relevant to Nigel's sacking though, so I don't see the point in him bringing it up. I do not forget what Matt did for this club in his heyday. I enjoyed every minute of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 He's determined to keep poking at NC until he gets a bite. Maybe that's what he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 We aren't staff, we're "customers". Customers can always take a walk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 He's determined to keep poking at NC until he gets a bite. Maybe that's what he wants. Like me and Turkish - Turks the slightly rotund, big nosed former Saint snapping at my sharp pin-in stripped fine Italian suited and booted heals, becaus eI wont let him back in my castle to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Bullsh it. Matt can say what he likes after the petty, vindictive treatment he has had from Cortese. His view will always be in the public eye because he's a realtively high profile figure in the media and our greatest ever player. Some of you seem to forget that fact. In fact only this weekend MLT tweeted that when asked why doesn't he just come out and lift the lid on what he knows about Cortese, his reply was that it isn't in the best interests of the club. So p isses all over your **** stirring allegations. You don't know whether it's petty or vindictive because you don't know what rests behind it. I'm sure there was plenty happening during the near-Pinnacle episode that we don't know about, and probably never will know about, so we're not in a position to conclude that Cortese's dislike for - and mistrust of - MLT is unjustified. And you can buy MLT's "isn't in best interests of the club" line if you want, but the other angle is that he's (justifiably IMO) worried about getting sued. MLT is a hero to me but I refuse to be blinded to his possible failings. And Cortese is an obnoxious little man to me, but I refuse to be blinded to his demonstrated strengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Customers can always take a walk Exactly. Which 1000s will do, again, if we go down leaving us real fans to pick up the pieces again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Just spoken to Uncle Nic All his earnings went to buying GASTON.. Then spoke to Rupes...still crying and groaning:p States all his massive earnings went on Radio hut and speakers and some burger stall outside ground.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 20 January, 2013 You don't know whether it's petty or vindictive because you don't know what rests behind it. I'm sure there was plenty happening during the near-Pinnacle episode that we don't know about, and probably never will know about, so we're not in a position to conclude that Cortese's dislike for - and mistrust of - MLT is unjustified. And you can buy MLT's "isn't in best interests of the club" line if you want, but the other angle is that he's (justifiably IMO) worried about getting sued. MLT is a hero to me but I refuse to be blinded to his possible failings. And Cortese is an obnoxious little man to me, but I refuse to be blinded to his demonstrated strengths. Just conicidence that lawrie Mac, Benali and so on aren't welcome at the club either then. I'll tell you what, you find me an ex player that is a current employee that has a good word to say about Cortese and then i might start to believe that he hasn't treated Matt with vidictive nastiness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 MLT has the honour of a suite named after him, many of our other heroes have not. MLT has a big problem with NC and visa versa , I dearly wished for them to make up,sadly I now can never see it happen. Matt was a footballing hero,but he so nearly killed the club by siding with a badly chosen takeover attempt. Keep to footy Matt, it is only so long you can live on your past glories as,as time goes by you will get the same disrespect from younger fans that Terry Paine has had on here from a poster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 20 January, 2013 MLT has the honour of a suite named after him, many of our other heroes have not. MLT has a big problem with NC and visa versa , I dearly wished for them to make up,sadly I now can never see it happen. Matt was a footballing hero,but he so nearly killed the club by siding with a badly chosen takeover attempt. Keep to footy Matt, it is only so long you can live on your past glories as,as time goes by you will get the same disrespect from younger fans that Terry Paine has had on here from a poster. Not anymore he hasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Exactly. Which 1000s will do, again, if we go down leaving us real fans to pick up the pieces again. But NC obviously thinks he has made the right decision and will attract more fans. He knows that there are many of these fans who are screaming we're not there in the bad days, within a few weeks they will forget NA (not literally)if we are sailing high Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Just conicidence that lawrie Mac, Benali and so on aren't welcome at the club either then. I'll tell you what, you find me an ex player that is a current employee that has a good word to say about Cortese and then i might start to believe that he hasn't treated Matt with vidictive nastiness. Sure its not big or clever and probably childish - but tell me, have you never played the petty card against someone who may have crossed you in a more serious way in the past? And how would you feel if that person then used every oportunity to have a further did in the media? NOt saying NC is right in all this , but the last few years have seen the majority as one way traffic ****ing in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Not anymore he hasn't. Seriously? I didn't know that had been taken away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Sure its not big or clever and probably childish - but tell me' date=' have you never played the petty card against someone who may have crossed you in a more serious way in the past? And how would you feel if that person then used every oportunity to have a further did in the media? NOt saying NC is right in all this , but the last few years have seen the majority as one way traffic ****ing in.[/quote'] Of course. That's why he changed the name of the MLT suite, wouldn't sell him tickets and then blocked his season ticket when he realised he wasn't using it for one game. It's all been one way.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Seriously? I didn't know that had been taken away Yes it has. It's now called the Marcus Liebherr Lounge. Of course, it's all one way. Cortese has done nothing and is totally innocent. The MLT suite is now a little room at the back which visiting directors use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Yes it has. It's now called the Marcus Liebherr Lounge. Of course, it's all one way. Cortese has done nothing and is totally innocent. The MLT suite is now a little room at the back which visiting directors use.thanks for that I didn't realise. So many people should be honoured but how can I argue with the ML suite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedmaul Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Bullsh it. Matt can say what he likes after the petty, vindictive treatment he has had from Cortese. His view will always be in the public eye because he's a realtively high profile figure in the media and our greatest ever player. Some of you seem to forget that fact. In fact only this weekend MLT tweeted that when asked why doesn't he just come out and lift the lid on what he knows about Cortese, his reply was that it isn't in the best interests of the club. So p isses all over your **** stirring allegations. Precisely, Le Tissier really doesn't have a personal agenda. He's one of the more considered and intelligent pundits on Soccer Sat. I do a lot of work for Sky (as a cameraman) and (all opinions are my own etc) He really just want what we all do, Saints to be successful. There's no political agenda there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Just conicidence that lawrie Mac, Benali and so on aren't welcome at the club either then. I'll tell you what, you find me an ex player that is a current employee that has a good word to say about Cortese and then i might start to believe that he hasn't treated Matt with vidictive nastiness. Is that all the evidence you cite for your MLT-all-good/Cortese-all-bad viewpoint - Lawrie Mac, Benali, MLT and unnamed ex players? Look, I've said I think NC is an obnoxious little man, and I don't like his disregard for the past any more than you do. But it's far from unknown for former players and managers to have a somewhat jaundiced view of any new guard, never mind one with such a thinly-veiled disrespect for the things they achieved. Multiply that manyfold, in MLT's case, because of all the Pinnacle stuff and his part in it - whatever that may have been. However, what I'm saying is that neither you nor I nor anyone else on this forum knows everything behind this situation. There was a lot of venom reserved for Lawrie Mac on this forum long before Cortese arrived on the scene, so perhaps NC saw that it was justified. And those three have been poking a stick in a proud (and arrogant) man's cage for too damn long for this to get any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Is that all the evidence you cite for your MLT-all-good/Cortese-all-bad viewpoint - Lawrie Mac, Benali, MLT and unnamed ex players? Look, I've said I think NC is an obnoxious little man, and I don't like his disregard for the past any more than you do. But it's far from unknown for former players and managers to have a somewhat jaundiced view of any new guard, never mind one with such a thinly-veiled disrespect for the things they achieved. Multiply that manyfold, in MLT's case, because of all the Pinnacle stuff and his part in it - whatever that may have been. However, what I'm saying is that neither you nor I nor anyone else on this forum knows everything behind this situation. There was a lot of venom reserved for Lawrie Mac on this forum long before Cortese arrived on the scene, so perhaps NC saw that it was justified. And those three have been poking a stick in a proud (and arrogant) man's cage for too damn long for this to get any better. Name one ex player who isn't an employee who has a good word to say about him. The gushing praise for him only seems to come from the OS and the clowns on here desperate for a sniff of the champions league. Funny that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Name one ex player who isn't an employee who has a good word to say about him. The gushing praise for him only seems to come from the OS and the clowns on here desperate for a sniff of the champions league. Funny that. You're not capable of having a discussion on here without pigeon-holing people holding different opinions into non-existent categories. God help anyone who doesn't share your opinion. And you bang on about Cortese being petty and vindictive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/10173715.Saints_fan_backs_Nicola_Cortese_s_judgement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Cortese is a complete knobhead and in my view has acted like an unrespectful **** with the way in which he sacked Adkins. Bringing someone else in while they are still here is just wrong. Adkins deserved better. That said... We all knew who would be the most vocal about this. The same three who have been commenting on an almost monthly basis it seems. This was like their xmas came early for them. As someone else said on another website MLT is saying Cortese has an ego and slagging him off in the paper/media every chance he get's. That sort of makes Matty look a bit of a bully himself. If he has a problem with Cortese then deal with it behind closed doors. The world doesn't need to hear his view repeated over and over and over. We get it you don't like him. Move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 As a Senior Manager in any company you dont explain your decisions, you just listen to folk you respect and then make a decision, staff should then work with the decision if it works it is great if it fails then that is way the top guy earns the top money and gets the chop.. What a load of tosh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Well, at least MLT would recognize an ego-problem when he see it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Cortese is a complete knobhead and in my view has acted like an unrespectful **** with the way in which he sacked Adkins. Bringing someone else in while they are still here is just wrong. Adkins deserved better. That said... We all knew who would be the most vocal about this. The same three who have been commenting on an almost monthly basis it seems. This was like their xmas came early for them. As someone else said on another website MLT is saying Cortese has an ego and slagging him off in the paper/media every chance he get's. That sort of makes Matty look a bit of a bully himself. If he has a problem with Cortese then deal with it behind closed doors. The world doesn't need to hear his view repeated over and over and over. We get it you don't like him. Move on.Gordon Strachan did the same, e fans still love him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Cortese is a complete knobhead and in my view has acted like an unrespectful **** with the way in which he sacked Adkins. Bringing someone else in while they are still here is just wrong. Adkins deserved better. That said... We all knew who would be the most vocal about this. The same three who have been commenting on an almost monthly basis it seems. This was like their xmas came early for them. As someone else said on another website MLT is saying Cortese has an ego and slagging him off in the paper/media every chance he get's. That sort of makes Matty look a bit of a bully himself. If he has a problem with Cortese then deal with it behind closed doors. The world doesn't need to hear his view repeated over and over and over. We get it you don't like him. Move on. Good post. The only thing I'd take issue with in it is this: The idea of secretly courting a new guy while NA was still working his nuts off make me feel rather sickened too, but why would a manager be treated any differently to the way in which he treats the players he manages? Managers don't give players a heads-up that they're negotiating to replace them - they keep them in the dark for fear of damaging their performance or the dressing room harmony, and then "Whack", they're out. It's not a nice part of the game but it is just a part of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Good post. The only thing I'd take issue with in it is this: The idea of secretly courting a new guy while NA was still working his nuts off make me feel rather sickened too, but why would a manager be treated any differently to the way in which he treats the players he manages? Managers don't give players a heads-up that they're negotiating to replace them - they keep them in the dark for fear of damaging their performance or the dressing room harmony, and then "Whack", they're out. It's not a nice part of the game but it is just a part of the game. No they don't. For example Adkins said in the summer he was looking at bringing in a 'keeper, 1-2 defenders etc. So he was open and honest with his squad, everyone knew we were out chasing other players, not quietly scheming in the quiet, getting someone to already do your job (scouting, watching players, picking future targets etc) while you thought you were still confirmed in that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Cortese is a complete knobhead and in my view has acted like an unrespectful **** with the way in which he sacked Adkins. Bringing someone else in while they are still here is just wrong. Adkins deserved better. That said... We all knew who would be the most vocal about this. The same three who have been commenting on an almost monthly basis it seems. This was like their xmas came early for them. As someone else said on another website MLT is saying Cortese has an ego and slagging him off in the paper/media every chance he get's. That sort of makes Matty look a bit of a bully himself. If he has a problem with Cortese then deal with it behind closed doors. The world doesn't need to hear his view repeated over and over and over. We get it you don't like him. Move on. If you don't want to hear Le Tiss's views then "Unfollow" him on twitter, its his account, he can moan about whatever he wants just like anyone else. How can he sort it out behind closed doors if NC refuses to meet him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 If you don't want to hear Le Tiss's views then "Unfollow" him on twitter, its his account, he can moan about whatever he wants just like anyone else. How can he sort it out behind closed doors if NC refuses to meet him? I don't use twitter. How would not following him on twitter stop him talking to the press exactly? As for the how can he sort it out thing do you have any proof of that? Cortese has remained silent the entire time. He has not gone to the media to take a pop at MLT. Sorry but if you have a problem with someone and think the right way to deal with it is to constantly slag off that person then I could understand why they had a problem with you in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoobysaint Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 I have unfollowed MLT on twitter as I got bored of his contant digs and sniping. Yes he was a truly fantastic player, yes he kept us up for years, yes he was loyal. But that is gone now, history. This is a new era for SFC and yet it seems to me that MLT still wants to be the centre of attention. Shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 No they don't. For example Adkins said in the summer he was looking at bringing in a 'keeper, 1-2 defenders etc. So he was open and honest with his squad, everyone knew we were out chasing other players, not quietly scheming in the quiet, getting someone to already do your job (scouting, watching players, picking future targets etc) while you thought you were still confirmed in that position. As I've said on the other thread, Cortese told all of them - Nigel included - that many of them weren't of PL standard and would be replaced, and Nigel said himself - on promotion day - that he knew his job wouldn't last. You're twisting your principles to bolster your anti-Cortese position, because there's no real difference between Nigel secretly recruiting a new player and Cortese secretly recruiting a new manager. Behind the back is behind the back, regardless of whose back it is. I don't like how it was done either, but that's how it goes in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 (edited) As I've said on the other thread, Cortese told all of them - Nigel included - that many of them weren't of PL standard and would be replaced, and Nigel said himself - on promotion day - that he knew his job wouldn't last. You're twisting your principles to bolster your anti-Cortese position, because there's no real difference between Nigel secretly recruiting a new player and Cortese secretly recruiting a new manager. Behind the back is behind the back, regardless of whose back it is. I don't like how it was done either, but that's how it goes in the game. And as I've said on the other thread, we have NO evidence whatsoever that NC told Adkins he was out actively looking for a replacement for Adkins while he was working away. So unfortunately your comparison doesn't work. Edited 20 January, 2013 by Sour Mash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 I don't use twitter. How would not following him on twitter stop him talking to the press exactly? As for the how can he sort it out thing do you have any proof of that? Cortese has remained silent the entire time. He has not gone to the media to take a pop at MLT. Sorry but if you have a problem with someone and think the right way to deal with it is to constantly slag off that person then I could understand why they had a problem with you in the first place. How many media articles has Tiss done about NC? Can't think of many at all. If someone really p***d you off and you felt badly treated by them and you were asked for your opinion on that person, what would you do? Le Tiss is hardly a Joey Barton character going around Twitter arguing with everyone and anyone. He's a pretty easy going, likeable character if you can put up with the occasional boast about his goals and golfing ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 we have NO evidence whatsoever that NC was out actively looking for a replacement for Adkins while he was working away. You cannot be serious? MP said he had been researching the team for weeks. Bit of a coincidence don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 You cannot be serious? MP said he had been researching the team for weeks. Bit of a coincidence don't you think? Sorry, mis-phrased that, we have no evidence that he told Adkins that's what he was doing, which is what Canada Saint is suggesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Sorry, mis-phrased that, we have no evidence that he told Adkins that's what he was doing, which is what Canada Saint is suggesting. I never said that Cortese told Adkins he was negotiating with a new manager, not even close. I said that he told the players and staff, immediately after promotion, that many of them were not PL standard and would be replaced. You've dug yourself into a hole but don't misrepresent what I said in your attempts to get out of it. Nigel has worked behind his players' backs in order to improve the squad, and Cortese has worked behind Nigel's back in order to improve the management and coaching. That's not very "nice" but it's all part of the game. In order to bolster your anti-Cortese angle, you were criticizing that kind of thing if Cortese does it but not if Adkins does it, which is dishonest and hypocritical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 I never said that Cortese told Adkins he was negotiating with a new manager, not even close. I said that he told the players and staff, immediately after promotion, that many of them were not PL standard and would be replaced. You've dug yourself into a hole but don't misrepresent what I said in your attempts to get out of it. Nigel has worked behind his players' backs in order to improve the squad, and Cortese has worked behind Nigel's back in order to improve the management and coaching. That's not very "nice" but it's all part of the game. In order to bolster your anti-Cortese angle, you were criticizing that kind of thing if Cortese does it but not if Adkins does it, which is dishonest and hypocritical. Nice try, but a fail again. Adkins stated publicly we were looking to strengthen all over and highlighted certain positions, so those players knew they were likely to be replaced. Cortese was never that open with Adkins, so not the same. Well done for trying your best though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Cortese has an ego problem, hmm all high ranking business people have an ego problem, because they are good at what they do, they have learnt to make difficult decisions that others shy away from, decisions most of us would not make, and they are prepared to make them without someone holding their hand. That is why we think he is egotistical, but in reality he is just a hard headed businessman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Nice try, but a fail again. Adkins stated publicly we were looking to strengthen all over and highlighted certain positions, so those players knew they were likely to be replaced. Cortese was never that open with Adkins, so not the same. Well done for trying your best though. So how come a number of people - far better connected than you or I - have said that Adkins knew it was coming from the day we were promoted? How come Nigel sat us all back in our seats when, in his moment of greatest triumph, he seemed quite morose and said that he knew his job at Southampton wouldn't last? How come the rumours have been bouncing around for months that his days were numbered? And I'm still waiting for you to answer Delldays question on the other thread - "do you think adkins gave billy sharp daily updates upon signing his replacement in Jay Rodriguez....?" Stop twisting your principles - and the facts - to suit your agenda. I'm not happy with Cortese either but you don't need to be a hypocrite in order to find the grounds to criticize him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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