MLT - Cortese has an ego problem

[Turkish]

I do wish Le Tiss would keep his counsel some times. He has nothing of any use to say but just feels the need to stir the ****. Le Tiss is the one with ego problems. Great player, idlo for many, but sadly a bit of a burk. As is Cortese.

 

As are you. Massively.

[Webby]

Le tiss hasnt an ego problem. That's why he stated loyal to us. Stupid to say that. Things are stirred up already.

 

What's better for your ego than being the biggest fish in the pond?

[Roger]

He made a statement explaining his decision. He obviously sorted out the appointment while Nigel was still in the job. He's not the first chairman to do this and won't be the last. At least we didn't have a Dodd/Gorman caretaker scenario. He didn't attend the press conference because it was about the new manager, not a sideshow.

 

To be fair, he's been pretty honest. Whether you agree with him is another matter, but he has been pretty up front. He didn't rate Nigel, so he's got someone in who he thinks will do better.

 

Matt is more than entitled to his opinion. He spoke very well on Sky yesterday. I think we all know where he stands on the subject.

 

Nail on head.

[Bearsy]

Was Cortese at the Adkins and Pardew press conferences? Just wondering like

[Spudders]

To all you saying why do we need a press conference think about it. He hasn't sacked an underperforming manager who the fans are relieved to see gone. He's sacked a popular manager who had achieved more than we could have hoped in the time frame in an underhand way who were turning results aroud and replaced him with someone most of us have never hears of. 95% of the fan base are against the decision. He's been critised widely in the media. If you think a few arrogant lines about his vision in a press release are sufficient then there is no helping some of you.

 

 

Whatever we think, he clearly thinks Adkins was underperforming, so he’s made a change.

 

Turkish you are usually pretty objective and don’t normally buy into all this sentimental nonsense so much, so I’m not sure if you are serious or just playing devil’s advocate?

 

But let’s assume you are serious, what else would you want him to say in a press conference?

[Judge_B]

95% of the fan base are against the decision

 

95% of the fan base (at least) don't like the way it was handled. If 95% of the fan base are against the decision itself then we will see tomorrow night. My gut feeling is that more than 5% of the fan base are going to give the chairman and the new manager time to justify the decision, whilst also supporting the team no matter what

[Turkish]

95% of the fan base (at least) don't like the way it was handled. If 95% of the fan base are against the decision itself then we will see tomorrow night. My gut feeling is that more than 5% of the fan base are going to give the chairman and the new manager time to justify the decision, whilst also supporting the team no matter what

 

How many people do you know who think its the right decision?

[ottery st mary]

My Managing Director....Er indoors....The Missus:p

 

Has just put her two penny worth in:rolleyes:

 

 

She states all men have massive ego problems..

[Roger]

What's better for your ego than being the biggest fish in the pond?

 

Massively ungrateful.

[Sour Mash]

Whatever we think, he clearly thinks Adkins was underperforming, so he’s made a change.

 

Turkish you are usually pretty objective and don’t normally buy into all this sentimental nonsense so much, so I’m not sure if you are serious or just playing devil’s advocate?

 

But let’s assume you are serious, what else would you want him to say in a press conference?

Why is it 'sentimental nonsense'? All football is. You sticking by the team you've supported since a kid when they're doing s**t, rather than b*ggering off to support Man Utd, why isn't that 'sentimental nonsense'?

[Judge_B]

How many people do you know who think its the right decision?

 

None, they're giving it time. Everyone I know supports the Saints and accepts that they have no control in the events at the club, and so they're intent on getting behind whoever is on charge and whoever happens to pull on the shirt.

 

You?

[Turkish]

Whatever we think, he clearly thinks Adkins was underperforming, so he’s made a change.

 

Turkish you are usually pretty objective and don’t normally buy into all this sentimental nonsense so much, so I’m not sure if you are serious or just playing devil’s advocate?

 

But let’s assume you are serious, what else would you want him to say in a press conference?

 

I'd want him to explain why he's sacked Adkins, by now when things were on the up and why has he replaced him at a crucial time of the season with someone with no experience of English football and doesn't speak the language.

 

I've said on previous posts that I could understand it in November or even in the summer. Thank Nigel for what he's done and move forward with the new guy. MP could well be the new Mourinho and as manager of my club i support him. Nothing about this appointment makes sense to me.

[trousers]

How many people do you know who think its the right decision?

 

No one knows if it's the right decision....yet

[Turkish]

None, they're giving it time. Everyone I know supports the Saints and accepts that they have no control in the events at the club, and so they're intent on getting behind whoever is on charge and whoever happens to pull on the shirt.

 

You?

 

So know one you know supports the decision but you still don't think it should be explained. Right oh......

[Webby]

Massively ungrateful.

Let's say he has an ego and he stayed cos of the reason I stated above. It doesn't bother me. I idolised him. Fantastic player. Whatever his reasons for being a one club man, we all benefitted. I'm just saying that that situation may have suited someone who had an ego.

[Sour Mash]

Whatever we think, he clearly thinks Adkins was underperforming, so he’s made a change.

 

Turkish you are usually pretty objective and don’t normally buy into all this sentimental nonsense so much, so I’m not sure if you are serious or just playing devil’s advocate?

 

But let’s assume you are serious, what else would you want him to say in a press conference?

I take it you feel NC should only give MP a couple of months to prove himself in this league?

[Spudders]

And why a press conference? As with anything in life, people respect those who come out and face up to their decisions, it's not rocket science.

Sorry but I still don't really understand what Cortese needs to 'face up' to? He's made a business decision and acted. He's even made a simple comment on why. We are yet to find out how the decision goes, but it 'could' be a masterstroke, or it may not.

IF Adkins found out what was going on via the telly, that is something I don't respect, but other than that Cortese has made a business decision despite knowing it may upset an irrational section of his customer base, but he's done it because he has a plan to improve the club and its performance long term, for that I currently have a great deal of respect.

[Sour Mash]

No one knows if it's the right decision....yet

I do. It was the wrong decision. There is more to being a fan of a football club than simply how many games you can win at any cost.

[Judge_B]

So know one you know supports the decision but you still don't think it should be explained. Right oh......

 

Reporter - the question everyone wants to know the answer to, why did you sack NA when things have been going relatively well recently?

NC - ultimately I don't think NA was the man to take this club forward. I think MP is, and I took this opportunity to hire him.

 

In a nutshell. Wilfully ignoring the fact that people I know are going to give the new appointment time rather than scoring now that it is wrong doesn't prove your point. I just happen to know people that aren't emotional and reactionary

[Sour Mash]

Sorry but I still don't really understand what Cortese needs to 'face up' to? He's made a business decision and acted. He's even made a simple comment on why. We are yet to find out how the decision goes, but it 'could' be a masterstroke, or it may not.

IF Adkins found out what was going on via the telly, that is something I don't respect, but other than that Cortese has made a business decision despite knowing it may upset an irrational section of his customer base, but he's done it because he has a plan to improve the club and its performance long term, for that I currently have a great deal of respect.

Sorry, you asked why fans felt he should have done a press conference, I've answered. You seem like another one of these modern day fans that lap up everything their club does for the slightest sniff of success.

[Roger]

Sorry but I still don't really understand what Cortese needs to 'face up' to? He's made a business decision and acted. He's even made a simple comment on why. We are yet to find out how the decision goes, but it 'could' be a masterstroke, or it may not.

IF Adkins found out what was going on via the telly, that is something I don't respect, but other than that Cortese has made a business decision despite knowing it may upset an irrational section of his customer base, but he's done it because he has a plan to improve the club and its performance long term, for that I currently have a great deal of respect.

 

Business decision. It's a football club. Don't over complicate things. He owes the fans an e plantation for what looks one if the strangest decisions in prem history.

[View From The Top]

I do. It was the wrong decision. There is more to being a fan of a football club than simply how many games you can win at any cost.

 

It would appear that those of us who stuck with the club through the dark days get that, those who have suddenly returned to the fold, don't.

[trousers]

I do. It was the wrong decision. There is more to being a fan of a football club than simply how many games you can win at any cost.

 

Fair enough

[Spudders]

Why is it 'sentimental nonsense'? All football is. You sticking by the team you've supported since a kid when they're doing s**t, rather than b*ggering off to support Man Utd, why isn't that 'sentimental nonsense'?

Yeah I agree ‘kind of’ but it’s just where we draw the line isn’t it. When you watch a game and get a spanking you go home disappointed, but you know that you have to draw a line and move on to the next game. I can understand why people are upset about Nigel, I am too, he’s a top bloke and done a great job. But I understand why Cortese wants to change things and regardless of if I agree with the decision or not I respect the man enough overall to accept what he’s doing without the need to know all the details. If this new guy is rubbish and we don’t progress than we’ll have a right to be upset, but at the moment we simply just don’t know if this change is good?

 

I'd want him to explain why he's sacked Adkins, by now when things were on the up and why has he replaced him at a crucial time of the season with someone with no experience of English football and doesn't speak the language.

 

I've said on previous posts that I could understand it in November or even in the summer. Thank Nigel for what he's done and move forward with the new guy. MP could well be the new Mourinho and as manager of my club i support him. Nothing about this appointment makes sense to me.

I agree the timing is poor, but if Cortese made a decision several weeks/a couple of months ago that it was time for change, he could have then spent some time getting things ready and finding the right person. Things may have improved slightly recently results wise, but I guess by that point the wheels of change where in motion

 

 

I take it you feel NC should only give MP a couple of months to prove himself in this league?

I feel Adkins should have had more time so of course I don’t feel MP should only have a couple of months. As per my comments above, I’d have stuck with Adkins, but I’m not in charge and I’m just saying I’m happy enough with the progress SFC has made over the last couple of years as a whole to trust what NC is doing, even if it goes against some of my personal feelings.

[madruss]

I'd want him to explain why he's sacked Adkins, by now when things were on the up and why has he replaced him at a crucial time of the season with someone with no experience of English football and doesn't speak the language.

 

I've said on previous posts that I could understand it in November or even in the summer. Thank Nigel for what he's done and move forward with the new guy. MP could well be the new Mourinho and as manager of my club i support him. Nothing about this appointment makes sense to me.

 

I agree. I think he definitely should explain the timing of it. My gut feeling is that Pochettino was approached in November, and negotiations started then.

 

Perhaps NC didn't want to disrupt the team during the busy Xmas period and viewed this January period as being a slightly better time (no game next weekend, followed by trip to OT where we're not expected to get anything)

 

I see no reason why he couldn't have waited until the summer though, maybe MP didn't want to wait, and so NC acted as he didn't want to lose his chosen coach.

 

Either way, an explanation would be a courteous and respectful thing for the fans and for nigel.

[shirleysfc]

Unless Cortese is out of the country signing a centre back and wide player he should have been at the press conference.

 

Le Tiss does love to put the boot in though.

[Spudders]

Sorry, you asked why fans felt he should have done a press conference, I've answered. You seem like another one of these modern day fans that lap up everything their club does for the slightest sniff of success.

Not at all, I'm just able to understand and see what the chairman is trying to do. I don't agree with some aspects of what’s happened, but I don't feel the need for every little detail to be explained to me any more than it already has.

 

Business decision. It's a football club. Don't over complicate things. He owes the fans an e plantation for what looks one if the strangest decisions in prem history.

Hang on, so you are saying don't over complicate things, yet in the same sentence you are saying you want an explanation, even though Cortese has already given a simple explanation?

[Saint George]

Business decision. It's a football club. Don't over complicate things. He owes the fans an e plantation for what looks one if the strangest decisions in prem history.

 

No he doesn't....Nigel Adkins was a Club employee and like any employee of any business, was owed confidentiality from his employer.....Nigel will know why he was let go and that's all that matters

[Roger]

No he doesn't....Nigel Adkins was a Club employee and like any employee of any business, was owed confidentiality from his employer.....Nigel will know why he was let go and that's all that matters

 

I think the fans deserve more respect than that and so did Adkins. Mp said also he had been approached ages ago. Some of you need to. Some of you need to check youre moral compass.

[Turkish]

No one knows if it's the right decision....yet

 

As I said on another post it might prove to be a masterstroke and he might be the new moruhino. But right now it's wry controversial, needs explaining and IMO wrong.

Edited 20 January, 2013 by Turkish

[shirleysfc]

As I said on another post it might prove to be a masterstroke and he might be the new moruhino. But right now it's wry controversial.

 

For me the timing of it is the biggest problem.

[trousers]

As I said on another post it might prove to be a masterstroke and he might be the new moruhino. But right now it's wry controversial.

 

Yep, agree with that

[Viking Warrior]

Maybe nc was snow bound somewhere and couldn't back to health row . There were something like 400 flights cancelled at Heathrow on firiday and many more yesterday . I'm not convinced by mlt opinion that nc is an ego freak . He's someone that does not seek the limelight but goes quietly discharging his duties as chairman unlike mr Lowe

[View From The Top]

For me the timing of it is the biggest problem.

 

I would suggest that the vast majority, or at least those who don't blindly accept everything the club trot out, feel the same way.

 

That and the manner that it was done.

[Spudders]

I think the fans deserve more respect than that and so did Adkins. Mp said also he had been approached ages ago. Some of you need to. Some of you need to check youre moral compass.

 

Ok so hypothetically let’s just say NC decided 8 weeks ago that it was time for a change. At that point he could:

 

Sack Adkins and start looking for someone else, but that comes with all sorts of problems and implications, do you get someone in on a temp basis, moral on the team could drop, no-one knows what’s happening or who will come in and when they’ll arrive?

 

Or he could start looking to find the right person (in his opinion) to take over. Then once he’s found them, he speaks to them, preps them and starts to get things ready for a quick transition. One things are ready he acts.

 

Morally I totally agree the second option is harsh, but for the good of the performance of the club and team it has to be the better option doesn’t it?

[trousers]

I would suggest that the vast majority, or at least those who don't blindly accept everything the club trot out, feel the same way.

 

That and the manner that it was done.

 

I've not seen (m)any people posting that it was handled well.

[Roger]

Ok so hypothetically let’s just say NC decided 8 weeks ago that it was time for a change. At that point he could:

 

Sack Adkins and start looking for someone else, but that comes with all sorts of problems and implications, do you get someone in on a temp basis, moral on the team could drop, no-one knows what’s happening or who will come in and when they’ll arrive?

 

Or he could start looking to find the right person (in his opinion) to take over. Then once he’s found them, he speaks to them, preps them and starts to get things ready for a quick transition. One things are ready he acts.

 

Morally I totally agree the second option is harsh, but for the good of the performance of the club and team it has to be the better option doesn’t it?

 

The better scenario would be to keep with the guy who the fans love and is doing very well with the team and has just drawn with the champions of Europe away and has 2 defeats in 12 and has had us promoted two seasons in a row!

[Spudders]

For me the timing of it is the biggest problem.

 

I would suggest that the vast majority, or at least those who don't blindly accept everything the club trot out, feel the same way.

 

That and the manner that it was done.

 

Yep these are the two key bits that so far I'd say everyone is in agreement on!

[Saint George]

I think the fans deserve more respect than that and so did Adkins. Mp said also he had been approached ages ago. Some of you need to. Some of you need to check youre moral compass.

 

You probably need to go check to see what the Law thinks about a company releasing confidential employee information to the general public.

 

There's no easy way to fire someone....but if you need to do it, then Cortese's way is the right way. Swift, clean and no loose ends....It's done and everyone can move on, including Nigel........The last thing anyone needs is the saga of endless speculation of who the next manager will be for month's on end

[Turkish]

One thing we can look forward to in the coming weeks is plenty of propoganda from inside Cortese towers. I fully expect a few articles on th OS from players about how great the new manger is. There will be an article from the new manager about what a fantastic club it is and how the chairman is backing him and has fantastic vision and ambition. The club is a propaganda machine these days. Some of it is embarassing.

[Roger]

You probably need to go check to see what the Law thinks about a company releasing confidential employee information to the general public.

 

There's no easy way to fire someone....but if you need to do it, then Cortese's way is the right way. Swift, clean and no loose ends....It's done and everyone can move on, including Nigel........The last thing anyone needs is the saga of endless speculation of who the next manager will be for month's on end

 

Oh please it's not the same as a normal company.

[Roger]

One thing we can look forward to in the coming weeks is plenty of propoganda from inside Cortese towers. I fully expect a few articles on th OS from players about how great the new manger is. There will be an article from the new manager about what a fantastic club it is and how the chairman is backing him and has fantastic vision and ambition. The club is a propaganda machine these days. Some of it

 

Started already.

[JackFrost]

LOL

 

As a successful banker/chief exec/football club chairman I'd be more worried if Cortese DIDN'T have an ego problem

 

He's one hell of a determined person to get what he wants and he certainly isn't afraid to upset people to do it. It certainly took balls to sack Adkins even if it does turn out to be footballing suicide.

 

The way he treated Adkins will forever be a big negative for me but the club has made amazing progress during his time here.

 

The decision to sack Adkins was massive and there's no doubting it'll be a big part of his legacy here, regardless of whether it is successful or not.

[scotty]

I heard that interview this morning, and the two things MLT said that struck me particularly were the comment about Cortese "hanging the new manager out to dry" at the press conference, which I thought was a fair comment. The other; MLT stressed the point quite strongly that the chairman had the right to make this decision, regardless of the fans feelings. That was also a valid point.

[ottery st mary]

One thing we can look forward to in the coming weeks is plenty of propoganda from inside Cortese towers. I fully expect a few articles on th OS from players about how great the new manger is. There will be an article from the new manager about what a fantastic club it is and how the chairman is backing him and has fantastic vision and ambition. The club is a propaganda machine these days. Some of it is embarassing.

 

History tells us that there will be plenty of propaganda coming from this forum..

 

The stars of old.. with their big egos and their hatred of Uncle Nic.

 

I am a supporter of the club and no one else...Not happy re Nigel but dried my tears now lol

 

Lots more bulllsshiiite coming from all over the place...

 

Hope we win and all do well and that includes NA in his new job which ..I believe is already in the pipeline.

 

I hope the new Manager is great and Cortese has made the right move..

 

What I know of Cortese , this forum and the MLTs. Lawrie Macs and other Cortese hate machine.......

 

 

There will definitely be more propaganda coming from outside and aimed at Cortese towers..

 

 

COYS

[hypochondriac]

One thing we can look forward to in the coming weeks is plenty of propoganda from inside Cortese towers. I fully expect a few articles on th OS from players about how great the new manger is. There will be an article from the new manager about what a fantastic club it is and how the chairman is backing him and has fantastic vision and ambition. The club is a propaganda machine these days. Some of it is embarassing.

 

Yep. I'm rather surprised we haven't had one from forren yet regarding the club.

[Saint George]

Oh please it's not the same as a normal company.

 

Yes it is....despite what you may think, Football Clubs are not above the law

 

You seem a tad confused....on one hand you say Nigel deserved more respect than the way he was fired with little public explaination. But on the other hand you're calling for all the gory details to be made public....how the hell is that respecting the man?

[trousers]

One thing we can look forward to in the coming weeks is plenty of propoganda from inside Cortese towers. I fully expect a few articles on th OS from players about how great the new manger is. There will be an article from the new manager about what a fantastic club it is and how the chairman is backing him and has fantastic vision and ambition. The club is a propaganda machine these days. Some of it is embarassing.

 

The same wall-to-wall positivity we used to get from Adkins and the players over the last 2 years then? Plus ca change.

[Roger]

Yes it is....despite what you may think, Football Clubs are not above the law

 

You seem a tad confused....on one hand you say Nigel deserved more respect than the way he was fired with little public explaination. But on the other hand you're calling for all the gory details to be made public....how the hell is that respecting the man?

 

YOu sound like a pr Plant from cortese.

[shirleysfc]

One thing we can look forward to in the coming weeks is plenty of propoganda from inside Cortese towers. I fully expect a few articles on th OS from players about how great the new manger is. There will be an article from the new manager about what a fantastic club it is and how the chairman is backing him and has fantastic vision and ambition. The club is a propaganda machine these days. Some of it is embarassing.

 

No different to most clubs tbf.