Saintru Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 So NA has gone and it feels a bit like a split with a long term girlfriend! We had some good times together, we may not have always agreed on things, but at the end of the day we did get on really well. Not only was NA a good manager, he was popular and involved himself in the wider community. He will be snapped up by a big club and I am sure he will do well. Who knows maybe one day England manager? NC has made his decision and to many of us the wrong one, but we are where we are and protests/booing won't change things. I have my concerns about a guy that cannot speak English and the problems with Capello and the language was well documented. However he is young enough to learn English, let's hope quickly because the stats on non speaking English successful managers are....not great! As a team we have been in worse times, namely nearly going out of business and Saints fans have stuck with the team through thick and thin. We need to get behind the new man and the team and let's hope survival in the prem, because under NA we looked more than capable. It is now down to all the Saints fans, wallow in disappointment, or move on and welcome in a new era...while obvioulsy never forgetting what NA has done for the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mancsaint Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 I can and will support the team but despise this management and executive. Mancsaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 So how many times will it take on this board....?? Pocchetino CAN speak english good enough to communicate with players and he definitely understands english good enough!! He might not be comfortable enough yet to speak it on a press conference but that is two completely different things... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 I know that a lot of knee-jerk stuff has gone on on this forum in the last couple of days, but this kind of sums things up. On a different note, as you have posts in single figures, be prepared to be accused of being a Club plant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red&white56 Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 I will still support the Saints, but I find it very hard to forgive the callous nature in which Nigel was sacked. This action does not reflect the values I hold, I do not chase success by hurting people or by putting the pursuit of success up as the only reason for carrying out an unfair act. Maybe I don't have the whole picture but it does not seem that Nigel has been treated with very much repsect. Cortese's lack of comment, explanation or otherwise as to his motivation, his rationale on this move can only add fuel to the fire, the fire that says this was an unjust action! I love the Saints. I don't love Cortese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 It does feel like splitting with a girlfriend. In this case the ***** wouldn't do anal so she was sent packing, allegedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonian Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Cortese may just have it right, Nigel has done fantastic to get us to the prem, we all thank him, he will get another job and I'm sure he has been well paid off, but to move to the next level, is he the man to do it? Obviously Cortese who works with him on a day to day basis doesn't think so, sad to see Nigel go he seems a great bloke, but maybe this all could turn out well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 How often is "the next level" in the wrong direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 How often is "the next level" in the wrong direction. Not since Cortese took over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Can we have a totally separate thread for every poster's individual opinions. It would make things so much easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bensfcno1 Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 No one except Cortese and Adkins and maybe a few players know the real reasons for this decision. However, if we were to believe Cortese that it was due to Adkins not being able to tale us where he wants to take us, then I dont see if that is a problem. Maybe Adkins and Cortese had an agreement about what aims they had this season, and what calibre of players they woudl like to bring in this and the last transfer window. If neither of these were acheived (however unrealistic we from the outside may believe them to be) then adkins has not reached his agreed targets, irrespective of how good others may feel he has done and how they rank his and the clubs recent acheivements. Im not saying this is correct, but to me this is an exceptable explanation to the current situation and recent actions. I hope that Cortese is proven correct to have acted now. Hopfully we can all be celebrating the type of success that Cortese and the Liebher legacy dreams of. Lets get behind the team and the club and the new manager, if and when it goes wrong then we question Cortese's decisions, but remember how most reacted to Pardew's dismisal and some quetions around Adkins appointment. Cortese so far has made all the correct decisions for the clubs current situations ever since he persuaded St Markus to part with his money to save the club from oblivion. COYR!!!!!! Together we stand, rise and Fall! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PercyR Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Not since Cortese took over. There's always a "first time"... This decision might've been acceptable in November or at the end of the season, but at this point when Adkins was turning things around and all because the Chairman wants a top 4 finish? Has MP managed a top 4 finish in the La Liga yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 There's always a "first time"... This decision might've been acceptable in November or at the end of the season, but at this point when Adkins was turning things around and all because the Chairman wants a top 4 finish? Has MP managed a top 4 finish in the La Liga yet?[/QUOTE] Had NA managed promotion to the PL before? You cannot always assume that because someone hasn`t done something before that they can`t do it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PercyR Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 There's always a "first time"... This decision might've been acceptable in November or at the end of the season, but at this point when Adkins was turning things around and all because the Chairman wants a top 4 finish? Has MP managed a top 4 finish in the La Liga yet?[/QUOTE] Had NA managed promotion to the PL before? You cannot always assume that because someone hasn`t done something before that they can`t do it now. Then who's to say that NA couldn't have managed a top 4 finish next season since he's only been given 6 months as a PL Manager. In 6 seasons as a Manager he's overseen 4 promotions, that speaks volumes, in any division. Since NA was ahead of schedule of returning us the PL he should've been given at least to the end of the season. What's clear is that MP isn't even Cortese's first choice manager, in which case, it seems to me MP will be out the door either in 6 months if we don't survive or 18 months if we don't have a top 4 finish next season, and that would be fair. Remember, MP was the longest serving La Liga manager but in that time has never managed a top 4 finish but you're right "there's always a first time". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeeBee Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 So NA has gone and it feels a bit like a split with a long term girlfriend! We had some good times together, we may not have always agreed on things, but at the end of the day we did get on really well. Not only was NA a good manager, he was popular and involved himself in the wider community. He will be snapped up by a big club and I am sure he will do well. Who knows maybe one day England manager? NC has made his decision and to many of us the wrong one, but we are where we are and protests/booing won't change things. I have my concerns about a guy that cannot speak English and the problems with Capello and the language was well documented. However he is young enough to learn English, let's hope quickly because the stats on non speaking English successful managers are....not great! As a team we have been in worse times, namely nearly going out of business and Saints fans have stuck with the team through thick and thin. We need to get behind the new man and the team and let's hope survival in the prem, because under NA we looked more than capable. It is now down to all the Saints fans, wallow in disappointment, or move on and welcome in a new era...while obvioulsy never forgetting what NA has done for the club. Agree. Well put. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Then who's to say that NA couldn't have managed a top 4 finish next season since he's only been given 6 months as a PL Manager. In 6 seasons as a Manager he's overseen 4 promotions, that speaks volumes, in any division. Since NA was ahead of schedule of returning us the PL he should've been given at least to the end of the season. What's clear is that MP isn't even Cortese's first choice manager, in which case, it seems to me MP will be out the door either in 6 months if we don't survive or 18 months if we don't have a top 4 finish next season, and that would be fair. Remember, MP was the longest serving La Liga manager but in that time has never managed a top 4 finish but you're right "there's always a first time". Why do you say this? The problem is that football is littered with managers (and players) who have a good record at one club but turn out to be crap when they move on - Mark Hughes, Owen Coyle, Roy Carroll, even Kevin Keegan anyone? This also works the other way. People who have been unsuccessful at one club can be successful at another. Previous records do not always mean much. I don`t have a clue if MP is going to be successful at Saints anymore than anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonroader07 Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 So NA has gone and it feels a bit like a split with a long term girlfriend! We had some good times together, we may not have always agreed on things, but at the end of the day we did get on really well. Not only was NA a good manager, he was popular and involved himself in the wider community. He will be snapped up by a big club and I am sure he will do well. Who knows maybe one day England manager? NC has made his decision and to many of us the wrong one, but we are where we are and protests/booing won't change things. I have my concerns about a guy that cannot speak English and the problems with Capello and the language was well documented. However he is young enough to learn English, let's hope quickly because the stats on non speaking English successful managers are....not great! As a team we have been in worse times, namely nearly going out of business and Saints fans have stuck with the team through thick and thin. We need to get behind the new man and the team and let's hope survival in the prem, because under NA we looked more than capable. It is now down to all the Saints fans, wallow in disappointment, or move on and welcome in a new era...while obvioulsy never forgetting what NA has done for the club. Aye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 (edited) So how many times will it take on this board....?? Pocchetino CAN speak english good enough to communicate with players and he definitely understands english good enough!! He might not be comfortable enough yet to speak it on a press conference but that is two completely different things...[/QUOTE] Correct olallana......I've helped train people in language and communication for almost 30 years. It's quite possible for someone to have a good passive knowledge and comprehend English, even complicated meanings yet not be able to respond in the same way - because of the lack of regularity in usage. He may well be able to formulate what he wants to say, rather than be forced to spontaneously answer " tricky " questions from assorted fast-talking journalists with a variety of dialects. Maybe we'll get some feedback from various club personnel, but I doubt that he is an absolute beginner.... It was a sensible move in getting his translator to explain the questions and gave him more thinking-time to be able to formulate his answers. (clever tactic). Nothing worse than talking yourself into a corner. and looking stupid on your first day on the job. Edited 20 January, 2013 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PercyR Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 The balance of probabilities suggests as with Man Utd, Arsenal and now to some extent at Man City that managerial stability (and an big influx of cash) leads to greater sucess and I don't think any of their managers were born as PL managers. Sure, I think MP should be given his fair time to prove himself but that fair time to prove himself, to me, should either be 6 or 18 months or possibly 12 if at this time next season we're not fighting with the "big" boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Can we have a totally separate thread for every poster's individual opinions. It would make things so much easier. Like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangermouth Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 So how many times will it take on this board....?? Pocchetino CAN speak english good enough to communicate with players and he definitely understands english good enough!! He might not be comfortable enough yet to speak it on a press conference but that is two completely different things...[/QUOTE] Correct olallana......I've helped train people in language and communication for almost 30 years. It's quite possible for someone to have a good passive knowledge and comprehend English, even complicated meanings yet not be able to respond in the same way - because of the lack of regularity in usage. He may well be able to formulate what he wants to say, rather than be forced to spontaneously answer " tricky " questions from assorted fast-talking journalists with a variety of dialects. Maybe we'll get some feedback from various club personnel, but I doubt that he is an absolute beginner.... It was a sensible move in getting his translator to explain the questions and gave him more thinking-time to be able to formulate his answers. (clever tactic). Nothing worse than talking yourself into a corner. and looking stupid on your first day on the job. Well his English mutterings were one of the first things he's likely to have been taught as you'll know if you taught English and depending on the syllabus used. It's not that hard to have a grasp of what happens in another language provided you have some pointers and you extrapolate, which you will do anyway as part of your sensemaking function. Again, highlighting the similarities between languages and those with common roots is one of the things that are done to help persuade people that it's not as hard to learn a foreign language as they think. Also, if he's been studying the players for weeks, probably with access to club records he might well have been taking the odd sneaky lesson. No need for him to have done so before as he was working in Spain. You would also note, having seen the press conference, that some of the questions put to him were not only translated but 'amended' by the translator - specifically that regarding the fans' view about the sacking. As to the question of whether or not he CAN (not my emphasis) speak well enough, unless the OP of that comment knows it, then it's speculative. The need for communication is more than simply derecha = right and izquierda = left, for example. But the comment about people filling in the gaps/extrapolating also applies and it won't be precise. Drills and the like, however, given the coaches have the same licence to manage are likely to be the same. From a personal point of view, the sooner he can communicate fully and properly in English the better - I want to see how he comes across and as one of the Spanish journos who was asked to comment on him said that he will likely end up at Man U or a big club (does this mean he's using us as a stepping stone?) then that for me is a concern IF we're looking at stability rather than Chelsea mk II. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PercyR Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Well his English mutterings were one of the first things he's likely to have been taught as you'll know if you taught English and depending on the syllabus used. It's not that hard to have a grasp of what happens in another language provided you have some pointers and you extrapolate, which you will do anyway as part of your sensemaking function. Again, highlighting the similarities between languages and those with common roots is one of the things that are done to help persuade people that it's not as hard to learn a foreign language as they think. Also, if he's been studying the players for weeks, probably with access to club records he might well have been taking the odd sneaky lesson. No need for him to have done so before as he was working in Spain. You would also note, having seen the press conference, that some of the questions put to him were not only translated but 'amended' by the translator - specifically that regarding the fans' view about the sacking. As to the question of whether or not he CAN (not my emphasis) speak well enough, unless the OP of that comment knows it, then it's speculative. The need for communication is more than simply derecha = right and izquierda = left, for example. But the comment about people filling in the gaps/extrapolating also applies and it won't be precise. Drills and the like, however, given the coaches have the same licence to manage are likely to be the same. From a personal point of view, the sooner he can communicate fully and properly in English the better - I want to see how he comes across and as one of the Spanish journos who was asked to comment on him said that he will likely end up at Man U or a big club (does this mean he's using us as a stepping stone?) then that for me is a concern IF we're looking at stability rather than Chelsea mk II. Let's face it, if Benitez had started the season as he has done at Chelsea he would be already out the door so even Abramovich realises that the revolving door needs a break sometimes and thats what makes this situation more ludricuous than Chelsea's own because one, we don't have the luxury of being at the top end of table and two, the Chairman has just sacked NA who had a better points tally, over the last few games, than Benitez has accumulated. That being so, Abramovich might be considered to be "soft" and I don't think that would've been overlooked by MP so at the first opportunity he'll be out the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Using the girlfriend analogy........... Yes, it feels as if I have just broken up with a girlfriend who was great in bed and gave the best head since some Geordie chick I knew about 30 years ago. Now, if I want some, I will have to go to some dirty, pox ridden, crack whore. Yep, that's a pretty good analogy of how I feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Using the girlfriend analogy........... Yes, it feels as if I have just broken up with a girlfriend who was great in bed and gave the best head since some Geordie chick I knew about 30 years ago. Now, if I want some, I will have to go to some dirty, pox ridden, crack whore. Yep, that's a pretty good analogy of how I feel. I wouldn't know. :-(. I'm not sure if that's a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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