The Mirror: 'Tensions over transfers saw Adkins sacked'

[Turkish]

He was talking about keepers in the context of replacing Bart who had just signed for County and Forecast who was still around the club. Read your own quotes....

 

Prehaps he was or prehaps he was refering to Gazza as the Bart replacement and the "maybe two" was a top class keeper, maybe he wasn't. EIther way if he didn't want to bring another first choice keeper in then it was a mistake. I'll agree with that.

 

Regardless of all that the direct quote that was demanded has been provided. And the article still provides the demanded evidence that Adkins had little impact into transfers in the summer and didn't get the targets he wanted, something I and a few other said was the case and something many people told me i was wrong about.

 

Still waiting for an apology. It does make me laugh that now the "evidence" is in the public domain i'm being slated for being right!!

Edited 20 January, 2013 by Turkish

[trousers]

We'll probably never know

 

^This

[trousers]

@JFBLucas: RT @alex_crook: Have spoken to Kelvin Davis for tomorrow's papers. Says #saintsfc players are '100 per cent behind' Pochettino

 

Cue "we'll, he wouldn't say otherwise would he?"

[Turkish]

@JFBLucas: RT @alex_crook: Have spoken to Kelvin Davis for tomorrow's papers. Says #saintsfc players are '100 per cent behind' Pochettino

 

What else is he going to say?

[trousers]

What else is he going to say?

 

Bingo

[Lets B Avenue]

I thought the focus might shift rather than admit the quote for "one if not 2 goalkeepers" was indeed out there. Never mind.

 

Thank you for providing the quote. The fact that it was hidden in an Australian site probably explains how I missed it. July 14th? Think we got Gazzanigga afterwards seems to cover that one and Nige then spent most press conferences after the season started, saying he wanted one or 2 defenders before the end of August. We got Yoshida.

 

Dosent excuse your shameless personnal attacks on FC last night.

[hypochondriac]

@JFBLucas: RT @alex_crook: Have spoken to Kelvin Davis for tomorrow's papers. Says #saintsfc players are '100 per cent behind' Pochettino

 

Cue "we'll, he wouldn't say otherwise would he?"

 

Exactly he has no choice. What will be more telling is performances and who leaves in the summer.

[Glasgow_Saint]

What else is he going to say?

 

toeing the party line

[The Godfather]

The mirror article is full of flaws...no surprise their!! We've had a transfer committee for a while and Adkins was involved in it and has said about it on a couple of occasions during interviews this season about players.

[Turkish]

Thank you for providing the quote. The fact that it was hidden in an Australian site probably explains how I missed it. July 14th? Think we got Gazzanigga afterwards seems to cover that one and Nige then spent most press conferences after the season started, saying he wanted one or 2 defenders before the end of August. We got Yoshida.

 

Dosent excuse your shameless personnal attacks on FC last night.

 

Shameless attack? Bloody hell, i was just giving him a bit of ribbing over a rant he had at me a few months back when he'd been drinking some wine. It's not my fault some of you are such delicate little flowers you cant cope with that.

 

So do you admit you were wrong then?

[Thedelldays]

so, now we believe what the papers say.

 

adkins did not want to bring in a top keeper, just one or two to replace bart and forecast...and did not agree on possibly ramirez.....

 

no wonder this was going to end in tears if the manager and the rest cant agree on the way ahead

[Greenridge]

Thank you for providing the quote. The fact that it was hidden in an Australian site probably explains how I missed it. July 14th? Think we got Gazzanigga afterwards seems to cover that one and Nige then spent most press conferences after the season started, saying he wanted one or 2 defenders before the end of August. We got Yoshida.

 

Dosent excuse your shameless personnal attacks on FC last night.

 

The gang got together and gave him a good hiding on Friday as well. Strength in numbers and all the bravado.

[Saint Charlie]

Players want to play in the Prem and are used to Managers changing. They won't be affected as much as people think.

[Turkish]

so, now we believe what the papers say.

 

adkins did not want to bring in a top keeper, just one or two to replace bart and forecast...and did not agree on possibly ramirez.....

 

no wonder this was going to end in tears if the manager and the rest cant agree on the way ahead

 

to be fair he didn't seem to know a lot about Ramirez when he was asked about it did he. In fact i think he said "he sounds like a good player" Or similar. He also said we wont be signing Yoshida and then a week later we did. We also bid for Butland so we were chasing a "top" keeper, if you consider him to be one.

 

It's fair to say this artcile seems to be pretty accurate and Adkins didn't have much input into the transfers it seems, as you were told at the time Jamie.

 

I also seem to remember you giving me a hard time because after the West Ham game Adkins said he had a great relationship with the chairman, i said it wasn't the case and what else did you expect him to say. Care to comment on that given what's been said recently?

[Frank's cousin]

The gang got together and gave him a good hiding on Friday as well. Strength in numbers and all the bravado.

 

Would like to think I gave as good as I got - particularly pleased with describing Hypos location. Amazing the psychology of these boards, classic playground tactics employed by the 'crew' - they wont be satisfied until there is no one left to argue with...

[Turkish]

Would like to think I gave as good as I got - particularly pleased with describing Hypos location. Amazing the psychology of these boards' date=' classic playground tactics employed by the 'crew' - they wont be satisfied until there is no one left to argue with...[/quote']

 

You certainly did Frank, as you always do. It's part of the fun of mongboard isn't it?? Isn't it a place for discussion and arguing? Hows the hangover BTW, do you still get them?

[The Kraken]

Thank you for providing the quote. The fact that it was hidden in an Australian site probably explains how I missed it. July 14th? Think we got Gazzanigga afterwards seems to cover that one and Nige then spent most press conferences after the season started, saying he wanted one or 2 defenders before the end of August. We got Yoshida.

 

Dosent excuse your shameless personnal attacks on FC last night.

Still wrong. The original quote appeared in the Mirror. That's just the online source I took it from; there are countless others. But keep peddling your own myths if you wish.

[Thedelldays]

to be fair he didn't seem to know a lot about Ramirez when he was asked about it did he. In fact i think he said "he sounds like a good player" Or similar. He also said we wont be signing Yoshida and then a week later we did. We also bid for Butland so we were chasing a "top" keeper, if you consider him to be one.

 

It's fair to say this artcile seems to be pretty accurate and Adkins didn't have much input into the transfers it seems, as you were told at the time Jamie.

 

I also seem to remember you giving me a hard time because after the West Ham game Adkins said he had a great relationship with the chairman, i said it wasn't the case and what else did you expect him to say. Care to comment on that given what's been said recently?

if adkins thought davis (and he did, if we are now believing the papers) was suited to be good enough for no.1...that is gross fuking idiocy.....and the gazza experiment was an utter disaster...

 

 

either way, i would not have let him go now.....but he has gone and cest la vie...i think we will go down but there is not a great deal we can do about it...

then again, I thought on the whole that adkins would have taken us down anyway.....

 

 

what we have now, is a few posters, either side of the arguement analysing every single line in the article and using to to prove their own view point..."i was right," "told you so"..."nigel never wanted a top keeper" etc etc

[dronskisaint]

I really can't be a rsed to trawl through all the predictions, rumours, downright fabrications etc to prove a very self-apparent fact ...I'd give more credence to those that are claiming that they were right all along and crowing smugly if indeed they admitted that the percentage that they got wrong was far higher and that if this was football they'd be well down the league.

 

Even the genuinely well-connected pundits only claim to get a small percentage right...kissing your own a rses when hindsight proves the odd one to be correct is not a bright (or credible) thing to do...

[Puddings and Monkeys]

Last night's spat was like 3 bald men fighting over a comb - classic stuff. Come on now everyone, all apologise to poor little Turkish; he'll keep ****ing banging on about it till we do, poor little sweetie.

[Turkish]

if adkins thought davis (and he did, if we are now believing the papers) was suited to be good enough for no.1...that is gross fuking idiocy.....and the gazza experiment was an utter disaster...

 

 

either way, i would not have let him go now.....but he has gone and cest la vie...i think we will go down but there is not a great deal we can do about it...

then again, I thought on the whole that adkins would have taken us down anyway.....

 

 

what we have now, is a few posters, either side of the arguement analysing every single line in the article and using to to prove their own view point..."i was right," "told you so"..."nigel never wanted a top keeper" etc etc

 

I think it's fair to say the number of articles and things that have come out the last few days prove i was right, dont they Jamie.

 

Adkins had little input into transfers and didn't get his targets (i;ll admit if he didn't want a top keeper and was refering the "one or two" as Gazza anad a kid, then that was a fatal error)

Despite saying he had a good relationship with the chairman it wasn't the case, certainly from after the Reading game last season

Adkins position was constantly under threat

 

To be honest i didn't want to be right, even though i knew i was but given the flack i've got on here in the last year or so for telling it how it was then forgive me for feeling a little bit vindicated.

[Professor]

@JFBLucas: RT @alex_crook: Have spoken to Kelvin Davis for tomorrow's papers. Says #saintsfc players are '100 per cent behind' Pochettino

 

Cue "we'll, he wouldn't say otherwise would he?"

He could have said a whole range of things without being accused of disloyalty to the players' employers. For example:- "The players will always do their best"; The new manager can rely on the players working very hard, just as previous managers have been able to"; "Mr Adkins quickly made a good impression when he took over from Mr Pardew, and Mr Pochettino has done just the same"; "Saintsfc players are always 100% behind the manager". Unfortunately for those who would love to see a players' revolt (although God knows why) it sems Davis made a point of expressing positive support for Pochettino when he could have avoided doing so with any sort of neutral statement.

[shurlock]

Prehaps he was or prehaps he was refering to Gazza as the Bart replacement and the "maybe two" was a top class keeper, maybe he wasn't. EIther way if he didn't want to bring another first choice keeper in then it was a mistake. I'll agree with that.

 

Regardless of all that the direct quote that was demanded has been provided. And the article still provides the demanded evidence that Adkins had little impact into transfers in the summer and didn't get the targets he wanted, something I and a few other said was the case and something many people told me i was wrong about.

 

Still waiting for an apology. It does make me laugh that now the "evidence" is in the public domain i'm being slated for being right!!

 

My thoughts on article are that Adkins got his way on some things and not on others -surprise, surprise such is life when decisions are made collectively. What didn't we already know?

Moreover, the article only cites one or two examples, possibly because they were most high profile areas of tension. But we didn't just sign yoshida or ramirez over the summer (and who knows maybe the committee was right to override Nige on these). What about all the other transactions we completed -rodriguez, davis, clyne -there's good to reason to think that NA was pretty involved in these (Jrod for sure).

[Thedelldays]

I think it's fair to say the number of articles and things that have come out the last few days prove i was right, dont they Jamie.

 

Adkins had little input into transfers and didn't get his targets

Despite saying he had a good relationship with the chairman it wasn't the case, certainly from after the Reading game last season

Adkins position was constantly under threat

 

To be honest i didn't want to be right, even though i knew i was but given the flack i've got on here in the last year or so for telling it how it was then forgive me for feeling a little bit vindicated.

and some say you were wrong...

 

but I can see how this is all going to play out for the next few weeks/after a defeat

 

regardless of how accurate a report is..you, kraken and hypo (probably missed a couple of people) will go on and on and on and on about his corrupt/wrong SFC is...and how you were right ALL ALONG...so what..? you were right about some stuff, you were wrong about others......

 

so what if people on a mongboard done believe you....not sure why you are demanding some sort of credit....it matters very little really, does not change much, wont bring adkins back etc etc

[Lets B Avenue]

I never said the Cyber-bullies were wrong. I asked for a direct link as I knew he had said the same about defenders. Turks alter-ego provided one. From July. We got Gazza later. Why do they/he want me to apologise?

 

The Mongking really does get quite precious at times.

[Professor]

IMHO what matters is what is good for the club. I've never felt that Adkins was the best manager we could have but he was adequate. I felt he was given too much credit for the 2 promotions and that criticism of him this season was justified but that did not make Cortese's actions right either. I do believe that Cortese had more to do with the inadequate team strengthening in the close season than Adkins and the Mirror article seems to confirm that. Whilst its possible to apportion blame in both directions, it is always the Chairman who will come out on top. Maybe a stronger manager could have done more to get his targets recruited but it rather looks like Adkins may have responded by not selecting some players depite price tags. If what The Mirror says is true, its probably good for the club that NA and NC are no longer working together. Fans may rightly be wary of NC and he may be easy to dislike, but we have what we have and unless anyone wants to transfer their allegience to another team, then we have to take the view that not only do managers come and go, but so do chairman. Where is Rupert Lowe, now? The fact is we have a new manager, he can't speak much English asnd has no experience of English football but he does have a good reputation in Europe. He may be better than Adkins or he may not, although he only has to improve on an average of 1 point per game to do better. If he does succeed, our team will be higher up the table than it would have been and if fans want to help him do that, they need to cut out the protest stuff and get behind the team, otherwise words such as cut off nose and spite face, come to mind.

[Saint_DB]

So if Gazzaniga was the keeper Adkins wanted purely as a Bart replacement, then KD as number 1 makes a few mistakes. Gazza becomes number 1 but NC is unhappy about this because he told NA that a top class keeper was needed.

 

Gazza plays a few games and makes a few mistakes. NC signs Boruc, a big name keeper in an "I told you so" fashion.

 

NA tries Boruc out, doesnt play very well and bottle incident occurs. NA picks Gazzaniga for next few games and supports Gazzaniga in the press despite more mistakes in a kind of "I told you so" fashion.

 

Gazzaniga makes more mistakes and picks up an "injury", NA eventually has to play Boruc, who has improved a lot recently, potentially vindicating NC's position.

 

Does that make sense? If it played out like that it explains a lot in terms of stubbornness and friction, but it's pure speculation on my part.

[Webby]

So if Gazzaniga was the keeper Adkins wanted purely as a Bart replacement, then KD as number 1 makes a few mistakes. Gazza becomes number 1 but NC is unhappy about this because he told NA that a top class keeper was needed.

 

Gazza plays a few games and makes a few mistakes. NC signs Boruc, a big name keeper in an "I told you so" fashion.

 

NA tries Boruc out, doesnt play very well and bottle incident occurs. NA picks Gazzaniga for next few games and supports Gazzaniga in the press despite more mistakes in a kind of "I told you so" fashion.

 

Gazzaniga makes more mistakes and picks up an "injury", NA eventually has to play Boruc, who has improved a lot recently, potentially vindicating NC's position.

 

Does that make sense? If it played out like that it explains a lot in terms of stubbornness and friction, but it's pure speculation on my part.

That's probably about right.

 

I think the 'one, maybe two keepers' possibly meant 'I want one, and NC wants another', ie NA wanted gazza, NC wanted Butland. Eventually, NC baulked at the price for Butland (I'm guessing). Then, as you say Saint_db, NC got Boruc in.

 

Either way, it was a mistake not to replace Davis. Fox, who's also not good enough was also not replaced.

Edited 20 January, 2013 by Webby

[Frank's cousin]

Last night's spat was like 3 bald men fighting over a comb - classic stuff. Come on now everyone, all apologise to poor little Turkish; he'll keep ****ing banging on about it till we do, poor little sweetie.

 

Sadly, the days when I need to fight over a comb are becoming less - I carry it off OK though in a sort of Connery sophisticated way.

[offix]

IF the Mirror is right (and that's a big IF) then at least this article provides some justification for the sacking, as much as I hate the way in which it was done and the timing of it.

If the manager and the Chairman/Board are not pulling in the same direction it will always be the manager who needs to go. Their money, so they get it their way.

[trousers]

Again, not condoning the way it was handled, but has it crossed anyone's mind that Adkins might be privately hugely relieved that Cortese has brought things to an end sooner rather than later? If we're to believe everything we've read, the underlying tension must have been almost overwhelmingly draining, even to someone as outwardly positive as our Nige.

[Frank's cousin]

Again, not condoning the way it was handled, but has it crossed anyone's mind that Adkins might be privately hugely relieved that Cortese has brought things to an end sooner rather than later? If we're to believe everything we've read, the underlying tension must have been almost overwhelmingly draining, even to someone as outwardly positive as our Nige.

 

I would hope NIge has enough inner belief that he knows he will be a top top manager one day and its a shame he wont have that opportunity at saints, but will realiize his ambition elsewhere. He is not a vindictive type as witnessed by his parting message to players - classy act from a man from whom I would expect nothing less. He will be naturally dissapointed, but I doubt he will let it be all doom and gloom - he will move on and upwards and he can do so with his head held high.

 

Relief? Possibly, I doubt any football manager's job is 'stress free' - but it all depends on real extent he was under, and whilst it wil undoubtedly have been large, I doubt it was a 'hideous' as some make out.

[saint_sinner]

as adkins was a keeper, you'd think he could spot a good one!