The Mirror: 'Tensions over transfers saw Adkins sacked'

[Turkish]

Just repeating stuff Turkish says doesn't make it fact.

 

It does actually because it's a FACT that he did say that.

[shirleysfc]

So Adkins didn't think we needed a top class keeper? That's gone well!!

[The Kraken]

Just repeating stuff Turkish says doesn't make it fact.

 

How about repeating stuff that Nigel Adkins said. Is that any closer?

 

Weird.

[Smirking_Saint]

As is typical in most other European countries - club signs the players' date=' manager uses them... Only really UK left where managers are desperate to hang on to major input in transfer ploicy... a legacy of the brown envelope perhaps?[/quote']

 

Well, I do believe in the transfer committee, I think it gives a sense of balance and avoids potential overspending on crap players that a new manager may not want, slso avoids signing 'fav's'

 

But I still think the manager involved at the time needs to have input, he has his style and ambitions which hopefully match the chairmans. A committee just gives multiple viewpoints snd opinions. I think just seeing it from one set of eyes is dangerous

[Crazy Diamond]

West Brom are the role model club in this country. Their technical director structure has done them wonders when you think back to when they were yo-yo-ing between the divisions, so there's definite proof such a system can work in this country.

 

Perhaps Nigel didn't fit into that, but I'd still have him in charge. For someone at odds with his Chairman and having little say in the players bought, he wasn't doing too bad a job with them, even if there was a period of adaptation.

[The Kraken]

Well, I do believe in the transfer committee, I think it gives a sense of balance and avoids potential overspending on crap players that a new manager may not want, slso avoids signing 'fav's'

 

But I still think the manager involved at the time needs to have input, he has his style and ambitions which hopefully match the chairmans. A committee just gives multiple viewpoints snd opinions. I think just seeing it from one set of eyes is dangerous

 

More sense, Sir Smirk. A transfer committee is an entirely sensible creation; so long as it thorougly involves the manager. A committee without managerial input is just as unstable as a policy involving the manager alone IMO.

[Frank's cousin]

I think you'll find some people can simply handle the truth FC. Some people are able to speak as they find and praise and crirticse when is appropriate. Some people dont keep thier heads in the sand and are only want to believe happy clappy stuff like you admitted yourself today that that is all you do.

 

Oh give it braek and go back and read my posts on that subject - you clearly failed in understanding what was being said the first time so at least refrain from twisting words amd making up sheidt to suit your agenda... that is pretty low even by your standards.

 

You know full well my post was NOT about being happy clappy, but about how its more important to have evidence when rumours are negative because of the potential fall out of negative rumours. Positive rumours have no impact, and if you chose to believe them may make you feel better but that is all no fall out - how that leads you to jump to your conclusion is beyond me - you simply seem incapable of understanding this issue.

Edited 19 January, 2013 by Frank's cousin

[Turkish]

Well, I do believe in the transfer committee, I think it gives a sense of balance and avoids potential overspending on crap players that a new manager may not want, slso avoids signing 'fav's'

 

But I still think the manager involved at the time needs to have input, he has his style and ambitions which hopefully match the chairmans. A committee just gives multiple viewpoints snd opinions. I think just seeing it from one set of eyes is dangerous

 

Yep, all for a committee. The manager has to work with the players day to day though and lives or dies by thier ability and performance so should have a big say in who comes through the door.

[Turkish]

Oh give it braek and go back and read my posts on that subject - you clearly failed in understanding what was being said the first time so at least refrain from twisting words amd making up sheidt to suit your agenda... that is pretty low even by your standards.

 

You know full well my pist was NOT about being happy clappy, but about how its more important to have evidence when rumours are negative because of the potential fall out of negative rumours. Positive rumours have no impact, and if you chose to believe them may make you feel better but that is all no fall out - how that leads you to jump to your conclusion is beyond me - you simply seem incapable of understanding this issue.

 

You seem a little irritated Frank. Have you been drinking again?

[Crazy Diamond]

Yep, all for a committee. The manager has to work with the players day to day though and lives or dies by thier ability and performance so should have a big say in who comes through the door.

 

Except in this case, he died when their performances were good enough to come from two down at the home of the European champions, with two defeats in 12.

[The Kraken]

Oh give it braek and go back and read my posts on that subject - you clearly failed in understanding what was being said the first time so at least refrain from twisting words amd making up sheidt to suit your agenda... that is pretty low even by your standards.

 

You know full well my pist was NOT about being happy clappy, but about how its more important to have evidence when rumours are negative because of the potential fall out of negative rumours. Positive rumours have no impact, and if you chose to believe them may make you feel better but that is all no fall out - how that leads you to jump to your conclusion is beyond me - you simply seem incapable of understanding this issue.

 

So basically; positive bullsh*t is fine, negative bullsh*t is unacceptable?

[shirleysfc]

How about repeating stuff that Nigel Adkins said. Is that any closer?

 

Weird.

 

So Adkins said he wanted two keepers but also decided not to sign a top keeper? Weird.

[Frank's cousin]

So basically; positive bullsh*t is fine, negative bullsh*t is unacceptable?

 

er... you joining the twisting words game too? You guys seem to enjoy making this stuff up, not sure why... big fail on the comprehension stakes Kracken

[Saint Charlie]

Can't see anything here that is overly new.

 

We are open about the fact transfers are done by a committee so nothing new that MP will be part of one.

 

Re keeper Nixon said for ages we wanted one (Butland) but hard to believe that Gazza wasnt agreed by the committee as all deals were?

 

And strange the Mirror didnt ever mention the Belgian guy once...

[The Kraken]

So Adkins said he wanted two keepers but also decided not to sign a top keeper? Weird.

 

Are you being intentionally a bit thick?

 

He said he wanted two keepers. And we have a transfer committee. He also said he wanted two central defenders in the summer; remind me if we got those.

 

You seem to be spoiling for an inane argument somewhere, but just seem a bit confused which line to take.

[Colinjb]

So basically; positive bullsh*t is fine, negative bullsh*t is unacceptable?

 

In a manner of speaking, he is saying that anything which can have a detrimental effect would need to be traceable/quantifiable due to the damaging effect it would have. Positivity breeds positivity, regardless of how b*llsh*t it may be. Negativity likewise will breed negativity.... and that needs to be snuffed out.

[aintforever]

As is typical in most other European countries - club signs the players' date=' manager uses them... Only really UK left where managers are desperate to hang on to major input in transfer ploicy... a legacy of the brown envelope perhaps?[/quote']

 

If you go down the continental route best get a talented guy in as D.O.F not some sh!t ex Charlton manager.

 

To be honest I don't think the system matters that much, wether you call someone D.O.F and have a head coach, or call them manager and have a coach. The most important thing is to have a talented football brain behind it. Not some ex banker and old failure pulling the strings.

[The Kraken]

er... you joining the twisting words game too? You guys seem to enjoy making this stuff up' date=' not sure why... big fail on the comprehension stakes Kracken[/quote']

 

Thanks Farnck.

 

Not twisting words, just reading what you've said tonight. Not much to make up from what you've said, but ok.

[the saint in winchester]

"Cortese is believed to have disagreed with the decision of Adkins not to sign a top-class goalkeeper in the summer, particularly as he was forced to make an emergency move for *Artur Boruc outside the transfer window."

 

We put in a huge bid for Jack Butland, didn't we? It was declined. And we signed Boruc at the end of the transfer window, yes? Before end of Aug/Sep? Not an emergency move.

[The Kraken]

In a manner of speaking, he is saying that anything which can have a detrimental effect would need to be traceable/quantifiable due to the damaging effect it would have. Positivity breeds positivity, regardless of how b*llsh*t it may be. Negativity likewise will breed negativity.... and that needs to be snuffed out.

 

Why not just take any rumour/story/leak on its individual merits?

[Crazy Diamond]

We put in a huge bid for Jack Butland, didn't we? It was declined. And we signed Boruc at the end of the transfer window, yes? Before end of Aug/Sep? Not an emergency move.

 

From what I've seen of him, I'm glad too. Error prone clouds his potential at the moment for me.

[Colinjb]

Why not just take any rumour/story/leak on its individual merits?

 

Logically, you are of course right. They should be treated the same and trusted on their own potentially dubious merits.

 

Human beings on the other hand are not logical.... we are emotional creatures and will respond to positivity/negativity in different ways.

 

Only the negativity will have an all in detrimental effect though. Negative thoughts are like a disease, they manifest, spread, and create damage in communities and groups, be it the players, Saintsweb or your mates in the local. It is far more critical that they are disprovable then anything positive.

[aintforever]

We put in a huge bid for Jack Butland, didn't we? It was declined. And we signed Boruc at the end of the transfer window, yes? Before end of Aug/Sep? Not an emergency move.

 

I'm not sure but I think we signed Boruc after the deadline.

[Frank's cousin]

You seem a little irritated Frank. Have you been drinking again?

 

After a few days of making more astute observations you seem to regressed back into posting undignified responses to wind up....

[Frank's cousin]

If you go down the continental route best get a talented guy in as D.O.F not some sh!t ex Charlton manager.

 

To be honest I don't think the system matters that much, wether you call someone D.O.F and have a head coach, or call them manager and have a coach. The most important thing is to have a talented football brain behind it. Not some ex banker and old failure pulling the strings.

 

Dont disagree, but the the ex banker and old failure together with the manager have delivered 2 promotions...

[The Kraken]

Logically, you are of course right. They should be treated the same and trusted on their own potentially dubious merits.

 

Human beings on the other hand are not logical.... we are emotional creatures and will respond to positivity/negativity in different ways.

 

Only the negativity will have an all in detrimental effect though. Negative thoughts are like a disease, they manifest, spread, and create damage in communities and groups, be it the players, Saintsweb or your mates in the local. It is far more critical that they are disprovable then anything positive.

 

Christ. That was deep.

 

Not really, Colin. News is news. If you have to adapt the truth to make it more palatable then you probably shouldn't listen in the first place. "Negative thoughts are like a disease"? Good lord. That's just a bit sad if you're saying that some people are far too delicate to handle some uncomfortable truths.

[Matthew Le God]

We signed Boruc at the end of the transfer window, yes? Before end of Aug/Sep? Not an emergency move.

 

Artur Boruc signed on 22nd September, he was free to sign after the transfer window closed because he wasn't under contract at a club.

[Crazy Diamond]

I'm guessing this transfer committee is a new thing, started in the summer?

 

We made a big bid for Gary Hooper in the Championship, and that had to be a player identified by Adkins, for obvious reasons. Same with Sharp.

 

Pardew bought names that you or I would pick if we were playing Football Manager. We need goals in League One, it's 2009. No brainer. You have the funds so you buy the division's standout goalscorers, Lambert and Barnard.

 

Unfortunately, the Premier League may well have got to a few heads, which makes me think what's wrong with trusting scouts? Newcastle did okay out of trusting their scouting department last season.

[Colinjb]

Christ. That was deep.

 

Not really, Colin. News is news. If you have to adapt the truth to make it more palatable then you probably shouldn't listen in the first place. "Negative thoughts are like a disease"? Good lord. That's just a bit sad if you're saying that some people ar etoo delicate to handle some uncomfortable truths.

 

Such is human nature.

 

I relate it back to my own experiences as a youth football coach. If XYZ player who was good was on the verge of leaving, morale would drop and performances suffer. The manager (me) would then need to pick them up psychologically and get them back firing. If XYZ good player was on the verge of joining us then it would be a case of letting the players ride the wave of good vibes, no manipulation needed.

Edited 20 January, 2013 by Colinjb

[Saint Charlie]

If NA thought Davis was a Prem no 1 then thats an error...

[Turkish]

After a few days of making more astute observations you seem to regressed back into posting undignified responses to wind up....

 

Not at all. Just commenting on your emotional state, you seeem a litttle angry and i remember the last time you were like this you'd downed a bottle of wine. Apologies if im mistaken and youre not drunk tonight.

 

You said earlier that you only want to beleive positive rumours not me. You've now got plenty of the evidence you demanded that a lot of the stuff I was talking about was in fact true. I'd like to hear your take on these stories, I mean, they do seem to confirm that what some of us said was right doesn't it.

[The Kraken]

If NA thought Davis was a Prem no 1 then thats an error...

 

"We need to bring in one, maybe two keepers".

I feel like I've heard that somewhere.

[Frank's cousin]

Logically, you are of course right. They should be treated the same and trusted on their own potentially dubious merits.

 

Human beings on the other hand are not logical.... we are emotional creatures and will respond to positivity/negativity in different ways.

 

Only the negativity will have an all in detrimental effect though. Negative thoughts are like a disease, they manifest, spread, and create damage in communities and groups, be it the players, Saintsweb or your mates in the local. It is far more critical that they are disprovable then anything positive.

 

Glad someone gets it.

[Smirking_Saint]

If you go down the continental route best get a talented guy in as D.O.F not some sh!t ex Charlton manager.

 

To be honest I don't think the system matters that much, wether you call someone D.O.F and have a head coach, or call them manager and have a coach. The most important thing is to have a talented football brain behind it. Not some ex banker and old failure pulling the strings.

 

Meh, Reed is good at what he does, the academy, technical side etc Cortese is good at being a hard nosed negotiator. The guy identifying the targets though is mitchell and his team, a team you need to give credit to NC and LD for setting up as I think they have made good signings so far (the ones they have).

 

You are missing the point though by just ignoring whats actually going on through your anger at Cortese and everyones hate figure Reed. The important thing is the whole club needs to work together, not have a manager and committee fragmented.

[Saint Charlie]

"We need to bring in one, maybe two keepers".

I feel like I've heard that somewhere.

 

In which case the article is mostly crap, like part about MP bding asked to be on a transfer committee. Of course he has...we have used that for a while now. Zzzzz

[The Kraken]

In which case the article is mostly crap, like part about MP bding asked to be on a transfer committee. Of course he has...we have used that for a while now. Zzzzz

 

I have no idea what point you're making now, Charles.

[Matthew Le God]

If you go down the continental route best get a talented guy in as D.O.F not some sh!t ex Charlton manager.

 

To base your opinion of Les Reed solely on a brief skint in charge of Charlton when they were desperate is very shortsighted.

[Crazy Diamond]

On Monday I'm meeting a man who has worked nearly all his working life with the FA and was at one time Sir Bobby Robson's right hand man - he knows Reed very well. I'll see what he thinks of him.

[Frank's cousin]

Not at all. Just commenting on your emotional state, you seeem a litttle angry and i remember the last time you were like this you'd downed a bottle of wine. Apologies if im mistaken and youre not drunk tonight.

 

You said earlier that you only want to beleive positive rumours not me. You've now got plenty of the evidence you demanded that a lot of the stuff I was talking about was in fact true. I'd like to hear your take on these stories, I mean, they do seem to confirm that what some of us said was right doesn't it.

 

You really can be an obnoxious arse - you are dangerous, couple of glasses of wine becomes downing a bottle/drunk - strange how you get your kicks. There is a difference between what I 'want' to believe and what I 'do' believe - wanting to appreciate positive news is a bad thing in your twisted book? There is a story in the mirror on which I have commented, so just go back and read if you are really interested on on my take and not merely pleasuring yourself trying to wind folk up. Is your ego really that fragile that it needs constant massaging from folk on a message board?

[Saint Charlie]

I have no idea what point you're making now, Charles.

 

Article says MP has been asked to be part of a committe as if its new and radical. Its been open knowledge we have used that for a while now. Its not really 'news'. Im not sure what point the article is making. If its re keepers and article is correct then NA is at fault for not bring in a decent keeper as he thought KD to be a good first choice.

 

However, we know a committee do transfers so was failure to get a keeper NA's fault?

[The Kraken]

You really can be an obnoxious arse - you are dangerous' date=' couple of glasses of wine becomes downing a bottle/drunk - strange how you get your kicks. There is a difference between what I 'want' to believe and what I 'do' believe - wanting to appreciate positive news is a bad thing in your twisted book? There is a story in the mirror on which I have commented, so just go back and read if you are really interested on on my take and not merely pleasuring yourself trying to wind folk up. Is your ego really that fragile that it needs constant massaging from folk on a message board?[/quote']

 

To be fair Frank, didn't you say yourself that you had drunk too much that time you had your last forum meltdown?

[Turkish]

You really can be an obnoxious arse - you are dangerous' date=' couple of glasses of wine becomes downing a bottle/drunk - strange how you get your kicks. There is a difference between what I 'want' to believe and what I 'do' believe - wanting to appreciate positive news is a bad thing in your twisted book? There is a story in the mirror on which I have commented, so just go back and read if you are really interested on on my take and not merely pleasuring yourself trying to wind folk up. Is your ego really that fragile that it needs constant massaging from folk on a message board?[/quote']

 

As I've alluded to before on this thread and others, nothing wrong with wanting to beleive postive news. But a reasonable, well balanced (and perhaps sober) person wouldn't trumpet positive news and rumours from the roof tops and dismiss all negative news as lies and bullsh it demanding proof. They'd be able to critise when nessasary and prase when able and speak as they find. Something I feel I've done many times in the past in equal measures. Only you can answer if you've honestly done that yourself.

[Frank's cousin]

Article says MP has been asked to be part of a committe as if its new and radical. Its been open knowledge we have used that for a while now. Its not really 'news'. Im not sure what point the article is making. If its re keepers and article is correct then NA is at fault for not bring in a decent keeper as he thought KD to be a good first choice.

 

However, we know a committee do transfers so was failure to get a keeper NA's fault?

 

Speculating, that maybe the members of siad committee had roles - would not be beyond the realms of plausibility that Adkins was to to find a keeper given his background ...?

[NickG]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/tensions-over-transfers-saw-nigel-1546179

 

 

Interesting....

 

Is interesting twist.....

 

As big fan of NA and disagreeing with the sacking this article raises interesting points;

 

1) transfer committee....no surprise, you would expect there to be a board type discussion, been happening for years

 

2) the article suggests that any failings were more on NA's side. NC signing well with Yoshida, Ramirez, ambitious attempt to sign Walcott. But NA not agreeing with NC's assessment that we needed a new top keeper. Even as big NA supporter it is clear that a top quality keeper should have been a priority and is one of biggest reasons we are where we are.

 

Strange, my automatic assumption, when hearing of a disagreement between manager and chairman would be the chairman lacking ambition and not making best football decisions....this article puts it other way around.

 

Not sure its truth but bit more positive for NC I suppose.

[Saint Charlie]

Speculating' date=' that maybe the members of siad committee had roles - would not be beyond the realms of plausibility that Adkins was to to find a keeper given his background ...?[/quote']

 

Adkins wouldn't 'find' a keeper the recruitment team would. What Adkins would do is identify the need for a certain position. If he didnt say keeper of first team starting level was needed then thats an error.

[Turkish]

Is interesting twist.....

 

As big fan of NA and disagreeing with the sacking this article raises interesting points;

 

1) transfer committee....no surprise, you would expect there to be a board type discussion, been happening for years

 

2) the article suggests that any failings were more on NA's side. NC signing well with Yoshida, Ramirez, ambitious attempt to sign Walcott. But NA not agreeing with NC's assessment that we needed a new top keeper. Even as big NA supporter it is clear that a top quality keeper should have been a priority and is one of biggest reasons we are where we are.

 

Strange, my automatic assumption, when hearing of a disagreement between manager and chairman would be the chairman lacking ambition and not making best football decisions....this article puts it other way around.

 

Not sure its truth but bit more positive for NC I suppose.

 

The keeper thing doesn't tie in with Akdins comments that he wanted 'one maybe two keepers' l

[Frank's cousin]

As I've alluded to before on this thread and others, nothing wrong with wanting to beleive postive news. But a reasonable, well balanced (and perhaps sober) person wouldn't trumpet positive news and rumours from the roof tops and dismiss all negative news as lies and bullsh it demanding proof. They'd be able to critise when nessasary and prase when able and speak as they find. Something I feel I've done many times in the past in equal measures. Only you can answer if you've honestly done that yourself.

 

Would like to see where I 'trumpet positive news from roof tops' or even state I believe it... but since when did that matter... - The point is a very simple one - If there is positive rumours on here such as big name signings, its interesting, but until it happens its just rumour, harmless as it has no negative impact...no need to spend ages dismissing it and jumping all over it because it means didly squat apart form generate a bit of excitement - which some enjoy (except those determined it seems not to enjoy anything)... rumours of disharmoney, negative issues etc, by their very nature can be divisive, and cause trouble, so its only natural that if you spread them you will be questioned more about them. Anyone sober or otherwise can see that is a simple concept.

[Colinjb]

The keeper thing doesn't tie in with Akdins comments that he wanted 'one maybe two keepers' l

 

An explanation has already been offered for that.

[Lazlo78]

Articles with someone called "source" or merely "The Mirror understands that..." should be treated with some caution.

 

However, if the last paragraph is true then NC can't be blamed for not being ambitious enough: Di Matteo and van Maarwijk are relatively big names!

[Crazy Diamond]

Articles with someone called "source" or merely "The Mirror understands that..." should be treated with some caution.

 

However, if the last paragraph is true then NC can't be blamed for not being ambitious enough: Di Matteo and van Maarwijk are relatively big names!

 

Should they? John Cross was the one that first said Pochettino was taking over and is very, very good. His record this season with exclusives has been amazing, as his peers are quick to point out.