The Mirror: 'Tensions over transfers saw Adkins sacked'

[The Kraken]

According to that article... Nigel.

 

And as for committee... taking the article on face it looks to have been a key point of friction.

 

So Nigel is to blame for signings when we need him to be. Ok then.

 

Its either a committee or it isn't.

[Webby]

Adkins saying in the press "we need one, maybe two keepers" doesn't suggest to me that we needed backup.

I dunno, manager speak, to placate NC?

[Colinjb]

This for me shows that we DO need a committee but it HAS to involve the manager.

 

I am a staunch believer in the committee but everyone needs to pull the same way.

 

This for me shows that A. Adkins probably didnt have his finger on the pulse recruitment wise, some of his signings (forte) werent good enough etc B. A committee HAS to involve the manager as ultimately he has to utilise the players

 

Yep, well put.

[Colinjb]

So Nigel is to blame for signings when we need him to be. Ok then.

 

Its either a committee or it isn't.

 

It seems that it wasn't functioning as intended.

[Crazy Diamond]

So basically, we've got rid of a fantastic manager and hired a yes man - and I'm not talking about Rick Wakeman.

 

Remember when we last did that?

[Turkish]

This for me shows that we DO need a committee but it HAS to involve the manager.

 

I am a staunch believer in the committee but everyone needs to pull the same way.

 

This for me shows that A. Adkins probably didnt have his finger on the pulse recruitment wise, some of his signings (forte) werent good enough etc B. A committee HAS to involve the manager as ultimately he has to utilise the players

 

Yep, spot on. Pretty clear from that that Nigel's input into the committee was minimal. It's seems although on it, Cortese did pretty much what he wanted. Not that the CoC will have that though.

 

It's been black Saturday for the CoC today hasn't it.

[sfc1976]

Someone at the club is making a few quid leaking stuff to The Mirror recently! Hope Cotese doesn't catch you, there'll be a horses head in the bed waiting for you.

[Smirking_Saint]

Spot on.

 

You know me

 

Lets just hope the new guy is involved and can use some of his contacts. Aswell as the 'committee' signing players to fill the positions we need.

[Frank's cousin]

This for me shows that we DO need a committee but it HAS to involve the manager.

 

I am a staunch believer in the committee but everyone needs to pull the same way.

 

This for me shows that A. Adkins probably didnt have his finger on the pulse recruitment wise, some of his signings (forte) werent good enough etc B. A committee HAS to involve the manager as ultimately he has to utilise the players

 

Dont think anyone would disagree... what baffles me is why NA was NOT more involved - If NC is now saying he wants a Committee with manager involved etc, was their a lack of trust in Adkins ability to pick players, or maybe simply not aiming high enough?

[Crazy Diamond]

Someone at the club is making a few quid leaking stuff to The Mirror recently! Hope Cotese doesn't catch you, there'll be a horses head in the bed waiting for you.

 

It's likely to be one of the coaching staff that was laid off, if he was found out he'd be breaching his confidentiality agreement, so he's keeping himself anonymous.

[The Kraken]

It seems that it wasn't functioning as intended.

 

I think it was progressing as intended. That it wasn't functioning properly, well I'd say that the managerial input was minimial, but that's just me.

[Colinjb]

I think it was progressing as intended. That it wasn't functioning properly, well I'd say that the managerial input was minimial, but that's just me.

 

Or being ignored.... And therefore not functioning as intended.

[The Kraken]

Or being ignored.... And therefore not functioning as intended.

 

Semantics, but I think we're close enough to agreement!

 

[buctootim]

According to that article... Nigel.

 

And as for committee... taking the article on face it looks to have been a key point of friction.

 

kin 'ell Colin, you arent that naive. That article is simply reporting the quotes made by the administration who just sacked NA. What else are they going to say? We had no real good reason for sacking him other than Cortese wanted someone more malleable?

[Crazy Diamond]

By the way, it was John Cross who said Adkins was going to go and Pochettino would be his successor. He very rarely gets these things wrong, and he thinks Astori will sign.

[Smirking_Saint]

Yep, spot on. Pretty clear from that that Nigel's input into the committee was minimal. It's seems although on it, Cortese did pretty much what he wanted. Not that the CoC will have that though.

 

It's been black Saturday for the CoC today hasn't it.

 

It even seems worse than that though, its crazy.

 

It was as if the committee who I imagine was Cortese, Reed and Mitchell (as I cant imagine Reed or Nicki having the grey matter to identify targets such as Clyne, Ramirez, Yoshi, which on the plus side means we could have a decent scout here) signed whoever they wanted but ALSO they let Adkins do it aswell ?!?

 

Surely it was one or the other FFS ?

 

Apologees BTW, I had asked many times whether Adkins was involved in transfers and always met with a yes V reliable source, which leads me to say what a man Adkins was as he obv kept this under wraps

[Frank's cousin]

kin 'ell Colin, you arent that naive. That article is simply reporting the quotes made by the administration who just sacked NA. What else are they going to say? We had no real good reason for sacking him other than Cortese wanted someone more malleable?

 

I doubt that content canme from anyone officially at the club... Too negative from a club's perspective.

 

Always amazes me thi whole transfer thing. EVERY single Club get some right, some wrong - whether all done by one person, the manager or committee - and the fact remains it makes feck all difference who signed who when it works out, and its a brilliant signing, yet the mud slinging is inevitable when its does not... not really a big deal....

[Smirking_Saint]

kin 'ell Colin, you arent that naive. That article is simply reporting the quotes made by the administration who just sacked NA. What else are they going to say? We had no real good reason for sacking him other than Cortese wanted someone more malleable?

 

Dunno if it is a case of malleability of not TBH hopefully he trusts the new man enough to listen to his input, but that leads me to say, if that were the case ? Why wait til Jan ?

[The Kraken]

Dunno if it is a case of malleability of not TBH hopefully he trusts the new man enough to listen to his input, but that leads me to say, if that were the case ? Why wait til Jan ?

 

Having just brought in a new defender without the consent (you'd assume) of the manager, I'd say things will only get worse in that regard. "The committee" for our latest recruit either involved someone who wasn't involved with the club at the time, or was just made up of the regular merry feckless band of three.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Oh look, another story which confirms what some of us said and were shouted down about.

 

Don't worry Turkish, as we all know those of us who identied these issues have now been vindicated. Frankly this last few days have been a massive **** you to them, and they deserve it due to the way they tried to marginalise us during the season.

[St Chalet]

This for me shows that we DO need a committee but it HAS to involve the manager.

 

I am a staunch believer in the committee but everyone needs to pull the same way.

 

This for me shows that A. Adkins probably didnt have his finger on the pulse recruitment wise, some of his signings (forte) werent good enough etc B. A committee HAS to involve the manager as ultimately he has to utilise the players

 

Agree.

[Glasgow_Saint]

I might dig out all my posts where i said all this........... But im not that petty

 

Feels good to be vindicated.

 

Wonder if he truth about Guly will also be revealed soon?

[Colinjb]

kin 'ell Colin, you arent that naive. That article is simply reporting the quotes made by the administration who just sacked NA. What else are they going to say? We had no real good reason for sacking him other than Cortese wanted someone more malleable?

 

It would explain why we stayed with Kelvin between the sticks at the start of the year.

 

There have been reports of Nicola Cortese giving speeches along the lines of 'Not everyone in the room is premier league standard.' Our goalkeeper, a loyal servant though he is, had already been found more then wanting at this level before at Sunderland. I would understand Nigel's loyalty to the man, but a replacement was needed before a ball was kicked in anger.

[Colinjb]

By the way, it was John Cross who said Adkins was going to go and Pochettino would be his successor. He very rarely gets these things wrong, and he thinks Astori will sign.

 

Fingers firmly crossed.

[.comsaint]

Pochettino will be perfectly aware about how our club is run...

 

Are you sure about that - because non of us do???

[The Kraken]

It would explain why we stayed with Kelvin between the sticks at the start of the year.

 

There have been reports of Nicola Cortese giving speeches along the lines of 'Not everyone in the room is premier league standard.' Our goalkeeper, a loyal servant though he is, had already been found more then wanting at this level before at Sunderland. I would understand Nigel's loyalty to the man, but a replacement was needed before a ball was kicked in anger.

 

What about the part where Nigel Adkins said "we need to bring in one, maybe two keepers"?

[Colinjb]

What about the part where Nigel Adkins said "we need to bring in one, maybe two keepers"?

 

We did. Gazzaniga and Cropper.

 

We certainly needed better back-up..... look, we're going around in circles now.

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

I just wonder why Cortese is said to have disagreed with Adkins refusal to sign a top keeper yet sanctioned a million pound plus agreement for a keeper. Especially so when £12M Ramirez and this latest Norwegian clearly had minimal imput from the manager.

 

Bits of the article don't quite add up but the gist is that Cortese and Adkins didn't see eye to eye which admittedly is what quite a few were saying.

[latter day saint]

I might dig out all my posts where i said all this........... But im not that petty

 

Feels good to be vindicated.

 

Wonder if he truth about Guly will also be revealed soon?

[Colinjb]

12 days of the window left.

 

This committee better click quickly....

[Smirking_Saint]

Having just brought in a new defender without the consent (you'd assume) of the manager, I'd say things will only get worse in that regard. "The committee" for our latest recruit either involved someone who wasn't involved with the club at the time, or was just made up of the regular merry feckless band of three.

 

Dunno, I think Pochi knew, I certainly hope he did but in a way it makes the Adkins situation worse, identifying targets behind his back is frankly insulting if it were just the committee let alone the new man too.

 

Problem I have though, honestly, is as much as I disagree with not involving the manager how can you argue with Ramirez, Forren and how Yoshi has turned out, you can imagine it...

 

NC - here is your new player

 

Manager - you signed another one ?! Who ? Where does he play ! You bunch of c.... Oh, he aint bad.... Im sure i can fit him in

[The Kraken]

We did. Gazzaniga and Cropper.

 

We certainly needed better back-up..... look, we're going around in circles now.

 

Gotcha. NA meant we needed to sign reserves. Understood.

[SuperSAINT]

By the way, it was John Cross who said Adkins was going to go and Pochettino would be his successor. He very rarely gets these things wrong, and he thinks Astori will sign.

 

Also worth noting that he has very good links with Arsenal, so you can probably bank on the Theo enquiry being true....

[Turkish]

By the way, it was John Cross who said Adkins was going to go and Pochettino would be his successor. He very rarely gets these things wrong, and he thinks Astori will sign.

 

I've not seen anything in this for a while, where was this?

[Colinjb]

Gotcha. NA meant we needed to sign reserves. Understood.

 

Or at the very least young prospects that could come through and overtake his preferred man once father time caught up with him.

[Crazy Diamond]

Also worth noting that he has very good links with Arsenal, so you can probably bank on the Theo enquiry being true....

 

I wouldn't be surprised if his middle name was 'ARSENAL, ARSENAL, ARSENAL.'

[Colinjb]

I've not seen anything in this for a while, where was this?

 

Mentioned in one of the Mirror articles. Can't remember which one, i'm sure someone will be sharp enough to find it.

[Professor]

I have never been a fan of Adkins and felt that any manager coming in when we were in L1 with the squad Pardew had built, and the Leibherr funding, would get us up. But neither did I blame Adkins for the transfer fiasco in last summer's close season and the Mirrort article seems to confirm what several of us felt at the time, that the manager was not getting what he wanted and was given a couple of players he didn't think he needed. Adkins had gone public saying he wanted 2 CBs and in expectation of that, the two understudy CBs were loaned out. Eventually Cortese signed Yoshiba but not until after the season had started and the club had to cancel Seaborne's loan to provide cover. We all know what the result was of the hopeless GK situation and the weak back four through the early weeks of the season.

 

I still think we can do better than Adkins in the manager's chair for all the reasons that have been rehearsed before and I hope that Pochettino will be a success but I do have reservations about appointing a manager who needs to learn English before he can perform at his best with the team. Cortese has gambled and only time will tell if the gamble comes off.

[Crazy Diamond]

I've not seen anything in this for a while, where was this?

 

"Cagliari’s Italy international defender Davide Astori, 26, has been their main target , the deal is still on and is likely to go through before the winter window closes."

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/southampton-sack-nigel-adkins-the-writing-1544510

[Smirking_Saint]

Also worth noting that he has very good links with Arsenal, so you can probably bank on the Theo enquiry being true....

 

All in all I would say the Mirror are the paper who footballing wise, if the reports about us are anything to go by have their finger on the pulse more than others right now

[Frank's cousin]

Why should people believe every Internet rumour? It ranges from the ridiculously positive to equally ridiculously negative, yet you seem annoyed people don't just believe all you say. I judged Cortese on actions more than rumours, which left me hoping he was alright and largely unsure. You can simplify it as people just wanting to believe positives over negatives but its just not true. In fact football fans are usually far more willing to believe negative rumours than positive.

 

anyway, now we have clear evidence of Cortese's actions and the likely future for the club. I'm more comfortable disliking the man for what he's actually done than mere rumour.

 

But more importantly, what sort of person needs to keep telling everyone 'I was right' on an Internet forum? Believe the worst and you often will be right, I don't see any benefit and no idea how anyone is getting any joy out of recent events. Absolute **** of a chairman destroying any integrity the club had. Losing a brilliant manager and top bloke, yet you're more concerned about getting one over on forum posters?

 

Thing is we have clear evidence of the OUTCOME, but not on the method - again more rumour that it was just some ruthless decision, did not speak to Adkins etc... I have no idea whether any of this is factually correct or not, and would like to think its not and that whatever went on was at least handled professionally and with courtesy - Does it make me wrong to hope/wish for this? I cant see how hoping NC dealt with this in a better way than rumour suggests is such a bad thing - Its as if some WANT to believe every bad thing that is alleged - I just never understood what there is to be gained from that.

 

Too often with this club, some fans have been so preoccupied with trawling and slinging muck - for what purpose? I just dont get it. Its as if they expect the chairman of a football club to some sort of whiter than white angelic pope like figure and they are desperate to catch him having a ****.... Chairmen by their very nature are NEVER going to live up to the 'ideal' if we are looking for them to be able to deliver progress and success - fan friendly rhetoric may win friends but as we have seen in the past does little to deliver results.

 

NC is doing it his way - and there will be fallout - victims of a desire to deliver. Nige did great, did his job, got us promoted and now the next phase begins. If it works as it did when Nige was appointed, then great as Nige can and should still be proud of the part he played in our growth, if not I am sure there will be plenty who will say i told you so...

[Turkish]

"Cagliari’s Italy international defender Davide Astori, 26, has been their main target , the deal is still on and is likely to go through before the winter window closes."

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/southampton-sack-nigel-adkins-the-writing-1544510

 

Ahh cheers.

[Crazy Diamond]

I have never been a fan of Adkins and felt that any manager coming in when we were in L1 with the squad Pardew had built, and the Leibherr funding, would get us up. But neither did I blame Adkins for the transfer fiasco in last summer's close season and the Mirrort article seems to confirm what several of us felt at the time, that the manager was not getting what he wanted and was given a couple of players he didn't think he needed. Adkins had gone public saying he wanted 2 CBs and in expectation of that, the two understudy CBs were loaned out. Eventually Cortese signed Yoshiba but not until after the season had started and the club had to cancel Seaborne's loan to provide cover. We all know what the result was of the hopeless GK situation and the weak back four through the early weeks of the season.

 

I still think we can do better than Adkins in the manager's chair for all the reasons that have been rehearsed before and I hope that Pochettino will be a success but I do have reservations about appointing a manager who needs to learn English before he can perform at his best with the team. Cortese has gambled and only time will tell if the gamble comes off.

 

Mmm yes, it's not as if he's up there with the best.

 

 

He has fantastic potential and another Club will benefit from it. I hate that.

[for_heaven's_Saint]

So are we to assume that Pochettino is going to Be similarly ambitious in the transfer market and want to sign big names, unlike (apparently) Adkins?

[shirleysfc]

What about the part where Nigel Adkins said "we need to bring in one, maybe two keepers"?

 

Just repeating stuff Turkish says doesn't make it fact.

[Olallana]

Mmm yes, it's not as if he's up there with the best.

 

 

He has fantastic potential and another Club will benefit from it. I hate that.

 

 

Jeeez, Brian McDermott is a really short bas*ard...

[Turkish]

Thing is we have clear evidence of the OUTCOME, but not on the method - again more rumour that it was just some ruthless decision, did not speak to Adkins etc... I have no idea whether any of this is factually correct or not, and would like to think its not and that whatever went on was at least handled professionally and with courtesy - Does it make me wrong to hope/wish for this? I cant see how hoping NC dealt with this in a better way than rumour suggests is such a bad thing - Its as if some WANT to believe every bad thing that is alleged - I just never understood what there is to be gained from that.

 

Too often with this club, some fans have been so preoccupied with trawling and slinging muck - for what purpose? I just dont get it. Its as if they expect the chairman of a football club to some sort of whiter than white angelic pope like figure and they are desperate to catch him having a ****.... Chairmen by their very nature are NEVER going to live up to the 'ideal' if we are looking for them to be able to deliver progress and success - fan friendly rhetoric may win friends but as we have seen in the past does little to deliver results.

 

NC is doing it his way - and there will be fallout - victims of a desire to deliver. Nige did great, did his job, got us promoted and now the next phase begins. If it works as it did when Nige was appointed, then great as Nige can and should still be proud of the part he played in our growth, if not I am sure there will be plenty who will say i told you so...

 

I think you'll find some people can simply handle the truth FC. Some people are able to speak as they find and praise and crirticse when is appropriate. Some people dont keep thier heads in the sand and are only want to believe happy clappy stuff like you admitted yourself today that that is all you do.

[Crazy Diamond]

Jeeez, Brian McDermott is a really short bas*ard...

 

He's a potato in a pair of glasses.

[Frank's cousin]

Dunno, I think Pochi knew, I certainly hope he did but in a way it makes the Adkins situation worse, identifying targets behind his back is frankly insulting if it were just the committee let alone the new man too.

 

Problem I have though, honestly, is as much as I disagree with not involving the manager how can you argue with Ramirez, Forren and how Yoshi has turned out, you can imagine it...

 

NC - here is your new player

 

Manager - you signed another one ?! Who ? Where does he play ! You bunch of c.... Oh, he aint bad.... Im sure i can fit him in

 

As is typical in most other European countries - club signs the players, manager uses them... Only really UK left where managers are desperate to hang on to major input in transfer ploicy... a legacy of the brown envelope perhaps?

[for_heaven's_Saint]

I think you'll find some people can simply handle the truth FC. Some people are able to speak as they find and praise and crirticse when is appropriate. Some people dont keep thier heads in the sand and are only want to believe happy clappy stuff like you admitted yourself today that that is all you do.

 

Must admit, I was pretty sceptical about the rumours previously, but now it's pretty obvious that there is at least some truth to them and I won't be dismissing such rumours out of hand in the future.