No point in any protests

[Charlie Wayman]

Although I was as disappointed as the next fan to see NA leave I see no point whatsoever in protesting. NC knows 95% of the fan base is hacked off, but he is doing what he thinks is the right thing for SFC. As he represents the owners he is entitled to do exactly as he pleases and there is nothing you or I can do to stop him. When we were rescued by the Liebherr family in 2009 I was roundly criticised when I pointed out we had forfeited all our rights as supporters. Private ownership is just that and if they paid £12m to own what was once our club then they have every right.

If you spent a lot of money on a house and then the people who used to rent it told you how to decorate it and the bloke round the corner who used to be the gardener for the previous owners started telling you what to plant in the garden you would quickly tell them to "foxtrot oscar".

We all welcomed the Liebherr money without actually realising that although we were being saved we also simultaneously relinquished all control.

 

Protesting or singing songs for Nigel (excuse the XTC plug) ain't going to make a blind bit of difference and a lack of crowd support might cost us a vital 3 points v Everton that I have a feeling we will now need more than ever, come the end of the season.

 

Whether we like it or not we have to take Nicola Cortese's decisions on the chin and move on - there is no choice unless you turn your back on the club you love.

 

Traitor

[St Matty]

Right, so we're agreed that support shown for Adkins won't affect the team? And it's not rocket science to be able to divorce criticism for the chairman and still support the manager. Happens all the time in football, when fans are against the person running the club, but support the manager even if he was appointed by the same board. They are two different people. With different names. And different roles. And a different background at the club. If we're rock-bottom in April, then I'd unfortunately expect the new boss to be quite rightly getting some stick.

 

Agree, Man U fans hate the Glazers with a passion and Man u have not suffered. My personal protest will be to avoid any corporate sales and buy retro shirts from other outlets. I doubt the players will have to take a wage cut as a result.

[stevegrant]

I fear that we're no longer the "large extent" of the funding. Now we're in the Prem I believe that to be the case, anyway

In terms of pure numbers, sure, the matchday revenue is a much smaller share of the club's total income now, but the £15-20m we'll bring in this season through the turnstiles is still highly significant for a club of our size.

[Son of Bob]

Although I was as disappointed as the next fan to see NA leave I see no point whatsoever in protesting. NC knows 95% of the fan base is hacked off, but he is doing what he thinks is the right thing for SFC. As he represents the owners he is entitled to do exactly as he pleases and there is nothing you or I can do to stop him. When we were rescued by the Liebherr family in 2009 I was roundly criticised when I pointed out we had forfeited all our rights as supporters. Private ownership is just that and if they paid £12m to own what was once our club then they have every right.

If you spent a lot of money on a house and then the people who used to rent it told you how to decorate it and the bloke round the corner who used to be the gardener for the previous owners started telling you what to plant in the garden you would quickly tell them to "foxtrot oscar".

We all welcomed the Liebherr money without actually realising that although we were being saved we also simultaneously relinquished all control.

 

Protesting or singing songs for Nigel (excuse the XTC plug) ain't going to make a blind bit of difference and a lack of crowd support might cost us a vital 3 points v Everton that I have a feeling we will now need more than ever, come the end of the season.

 

Whether we like it or not we have to take Nicola Cortese's decisions on the chin and move on - there is no choice unless you turn your back on the club you love.

 

I was going to come on here today and write a post about this but you have worded it pretty much exactly the same as I would have. Thanks for saving me the effort!

 

You're right in every way. What is a protest going to achieve other than distract the team from their Job in hand tonight? 3pts is the number one priority. Nicola Cortese is very much aware of how upset the fans are but no matter how many people wave a white hanky tonight, I can assure you he ain't going to change his mind!

[Bucks Saint]

I was going to come on here today and write a post about this but you have worded it pretty much exactly the same as I would have. Thanks for saving me the effort!

 

You're right in every way. What is a protest going to achieve other than distract the team from their Job in hand tonight? 3pts is the number one priority. Nicola Cortese is very much aware of how upset the fans are but no matter how many people wave a white hanky tonight, I can assure you he ain't going to change his mind!

 

If only you had read a few lines before posting. No one believes he will change his mind. I am repeating an earlier post, but:

 

"if NC wants to change the home kit to Pompey Blue, or move us to Belfast, all because he thinks that's best for the owners, would we roll over and say "fair enough, it's your / the owners club, any protest would not make a difference"? Yes changing managers is much more "normal course of business" but to say we have no right to protest or make our feelings known is, well, wrong"

 

It's about sending a message that we care, we were here long before you, and will be after you have gone, so ignore us at your peril. It's not about hating the new manager, or derailing the team. We are all fans so can work out how not to harm the team, thanks. You go ahead and roll over if you want though

[The Kraken]

If only you had read a few lines before posting. No one believes he will change his mind. I am repeating an earlier post, but:

 

"if NC wants to change the home kit to Pompey Blue, or move us to Belfast, all because he thinks that's best for the owners, would we roll over and say "fair enough, it's your / the owners club, any protest would not make a difference"? Yes changing managers is much more "normal course of business" but to say we have no right to protest or make our feelings known is, well, wrong"

 

It's about sending a message that we care, we were here long before you, and will be after you have gone, so ignore us at your peril. It's not about hating the new manager, or derailing the team. We are all fans so can work out how not to harm the team, thanks. You go ahead and roll over if you want though

 

Very well said. Any demonstration by the fans tonight will likely manifest itself at the start as an extended version of "one Nigel Adkins". The team and probably MP will get the backing of the fans, and I'd expect any negativity towards Cortese will either be minimal, or will start up only if we're already getting a sound beating. And the visual of the fans being behind NA will be good, and I can't see how that would be detrimental to the team. Make a point, then move on. If the fans are singing "one Nigel Adkins" in further games then I'd suggest there's something wrong with that; doing it in this is to be expected and lauded IMO.

[Sour Mash]

If only you had read a few lines before posting. No one believes he will change his mind. I am repeating an earlier post, but:

 

"if NC wants to change the home kit to Pompey Blue, or move us to Belfast, all because he thinks that's best for the owners, would we roll over and say "fair enough, it's your / the owners club, any protest would not make a difference"? Yes changing managers is much more "normal course of business" but to say we have no right to protest or make our feelings known is, well, wrong"

 

It's about sending a message that we care, we were here long before you, and will be after you have gone, so ignore us at your peril. It's not about hating the new manager, or derailing the team. We are all fans so can work out how not to harm the team, thanks. You go ahead and roll over if you want though

Absolutely spot-on.

[tajjuk]

If only you had read a few lines before posting. No one believes he will change his mind. I am repeating an earlier post, but:

 

"if NC wants to change the home kit to Pompey Blue, or move us to Belfast, all because he thinks that's best for the owners, would we roll over and say "fair enough, it's your / the owners club, any protest would not make a difference"? Yes changing managers is much more "normal course of business" but to say we have no right to protest or make our feelings known is, well, wrong"

 

It's about sending a message that we care, we were here long before you, and will be after you have gone, so ignore us at your peril. It's not about hating the new manager, or derailing the team. We are all fans so can work out how not to harm the team, thanks. You go ahead and roll over if you want though

 

Cardiff fans seem to have got over their change from blue now they are winning the league. Football fans are very fickle.

 

Also lets be realistic here.

 

Cortese has in no way done anything to suggest he will change our kit or move the club, pretty much every decision he has made has turned out to be sensible and progressed the club.

 

Sing and back Adkins for this game as the man himself deserves that, waving hankies and protesting is pointless though.

[Jai27]

As has already been said... A protest is not pointless. I agree that it will not change a thing but it shows we care and have a voice.

[Bucks Saint]

[quote=tajjuk;1596044

Cortese has in no way done anything to suggest he will change our kit or move the club, pretty much every decision he has made has turned out to be sensible and progressed the club.

 

Gee thanks for clearing that up. Where did I say he had? I was responded to the muppets who say there is no right to protest / no point in protests, because NC is in charge and he acts for the owners.

[View From The Top]

 

Sing and back Adkins for this game as the man himself deserves that, waving hankies is pointless though.

 

Agreed.

[Professor]

The fans who had fallen in love with Nigel will get over the break-up in time but if a negative attitude in the stadium tonight, even by a small minority, helps us lose three points, those points are lost for good. No manager is bigger than the club and ours, despite the two promotions, hadn't proved to be much good in The Prem. Our Chairman may not be much good either, but unless the Leibherr family replace him, he is what we have and how about our Head of Football? Is he any good? As fans all of this is outside our pay grade.

We are entitled to support a football club and if we pay the price we can come into the ground to watch matches, but that's as far as it goes and if the people who run the club have done something that any individual fan dislikes, well, supporting the Saints isn't compulsory, but please don't come into the ground and help the opposition. That really would be very silly.

[View From The Top]

The fans who had fallen in love with Nigel will get over the break-up in time but if a negative attitude in the stadium tonight, even by a small minority, helps us lose three points, those points are lost for good. No manager is bigger than the club and ours, despite the two promotions, hadn't proved to be much good in The Prem. Our Chairman may not be much good either, but unless the Leibherr family replace him, he is what we have and how about our Head of Football? Is he any good? As fans all of this is outside our pay grade.

We are entitled to support a football club and if we pay the price we can come into the ground to watch matches, but that's as far as it goes and if the people who run the club have done something that any individual fan dislikes, well, supporting the Saints isn't compulsory, but please don't come into the ground and help the opposition. That really would be very silly.

 

Stop telling us what to do you pompous ****.

[Bucks Saint]

The fans who had fallen in love with Nigel will get over the break-up in time but if a negative attitude in the stadium tonight, even by a small minority, helps us lose three points, those points are lost for good. No manager is bigger than the club and ours, despite the two promotions, hadn't proved to be much good in The Prem. Our Chairman may not be much good either, but unless the Leibherr family replace him, he is what we have and how about our Head of Football? Is he any good? As fans all of this is outside our pay grade.

We are entitled to support a football club and if we pay the price we can come into the ground to watch matches, but that's as far as it goes and if the people who run the club have done something that any individual fan dislikes, well, supporting the Saints isn't compulsory, but please don't come into the ground and help the opposition. That really would be very silly.

 

Something that any individual fan dislikes? How far from reality are you?

[pap]

Stop telling us what to do you pompous ****.

 

Love ya VFTT, but this is richer than a Boxing Day turd.

 

Been a tumultuous few days, which is why I've not commented on some of the more emotional statements doing the rounds.

 

I'm not saying you're wrong; it's a highly charged situation which has polarised opinion. However, you've made your feelings pretty clear on the decision itself and those that support it.

 

Think the Professor is entitled to an opinion too.

[sfc1976]

richer than a Boxing Day turd

 

Enjoyed that. Hopefully a situation arises soon where it can be deployed. Much appreciated.

[westofshannonsaint]

Together as one

Together as one

We are Southampton

Together as one

[Sour Mash]

Love ya VFTT, but this is richer than a Boxing Day turd.

 

Been a tumultuous few days, which is why I've not commented on some of the more emotional statements doing the rounds.

 

I'm not saying you're wrong; it's a highly charged situation which has polarised opinion. However, you've made your feelings pretty clear on the decision itself and those that support it.

 

Think the Professor is entitled to an opinion too.

Of course he's entitled to his opinion, but its telling others what they should be doing that p***s people off.

[musesaint]

This is worth a read - no idea who the poster from Windsor is but he appears almost sane

 

http://www.not606.com/content.php/1928-Enough-is-enough?

[stevegrant]

This is worth a read - no idea who the poster from Windsor is but he appears almost sane

 

http://www.not606.com/content.php/1928-Enough-is-enough?

Another "Cortese saved this football club therefore he can do whatever the **** he likes" missive. Joy.

[musesaint]

Another "Cortese saved this football club therefore he can do whatever the **** he likes" missive. Joy.

 

It says a lot more than that tbf

[hypochondriac]

Another "Cortese saved this football club therefore he can do whatever the **** he likes" missive. Joy.

 

Precisely. Not only incorrect but ridiculous logic. Cortese said he was a custodian of the club but has not backed that up with his actions.

[Thedelldays]

Precisely. Not only incorrect but ridiculous logic. Cortese said he was a custodian of the club but has not backed that up with his actions.

 

He has in some. And not in others

[Wes Tender]

We are entitled to support a football club and if we pay the price we can come into the ground to watch matches, but that's as far as it goes and if the people who run the club have done something that any individual fan dislikes, well, supporting the Saints isn't compulsory, but please don't come into the ground and help the opposition. That really would be very silly.

 

It's not a far as it goes at all. If we pay our money to watch the team, we are also entitled to express our opinions as to whether we like what we are seeing and if our payment for a single ticket or a ST represents good value. We are like any other audience paying to see an entertainment event. We can laugh or cry, cheer or boo, chant or heckle. Granted that some forms of reaction might be detrimental to the team's performance so those should be avoided, but any fan that pays to watch is entitled to react to what they are seeing in whatever way they see fit, within the rules of the ground or the law.

 

And also please accept that the people running the club are not always immune from being considered to be helping the opposition either. But it's their club technically, if not spiritually, so they can do what they like. What they can't do is make us accept or like all of their actions.

[DT]

Supporters group bloke on R5 at mo says plan is to wave white hankies tonight because we have a Spanish manager and they do it there. I thought he was Argentinian?

[DT]

Shows the total muppetry of this white hankie protest idea.

[trousers]

Supporters group bloke on R5 at mo says plan is to wave white hankies tonight because we have a Spanish manager and they do it there. I thought he was Argentinian?

 

Why oh why do these media outlets persist in giving a platform to people who (a) don't represent the fan base and (b) can't tell the difference between Spain and Argentina?

 

One thing I've had reinforced over the last few days is that the media can't be arsed to scratch beneath the surface of any story they cover.

 

At least I get to re-use the Facepalm I withdrew from Huffton's post...

 

[Thedelldays]

Supporters group bloke on R5 at mo says plan is to wave white hankies tonight because we have a Spanish manager and they do it there. I thought he was Argentinian?

 

He is and in some parts of Spain, this sort of thing is a sign of support

[DT]

Why oh why do these media outlets persist in giving a platform to people who (a) don't represent the fan base and (b) can't tell the difference between Spain and Argentina?

 

One thing I've had reinforced over the last few days is that the media can't be arsed to scratch beneath the surface of any story they cover.

 

At least I get to re-use the Facepalm I withdrew from Huffton's post...

 

 

He also said that Adkins' bringing along the fantastic Luke Shaw was now also destroyed, as if Shaw will now automatically be rubbish under MP. It was embarrassing. Muddled logic, limited brain power, unfamiliarity with an atlas. And he sounded like a yokel.

[trousers]

He also said that Adkins' bringing along the fantastic Luke Shaw was now also destroyed, as if Shaw will now automatically be rubbish under MP. It was embarrassing. Muddled logic, limited brain power, unfamiliarity with an atlas. And he sounded like a yokel.

 

Are the people who work for the likes of 5live, skysports and TalkSport ignorant, incompetent or both? Why else would they give air time to such people?

[Bucks Saint]

Are the people who work for the likes of 5live, skysports and TalkSport ignorant, incompetent or both? Why else would they give air time to such people?

 

To be fair, who else would they go to for a fans view? I dont think anyone on here has volunteered to speak to the media?

[The Kraken]

Are the people who work for the likes of 5live, skysports and TalkSport ignorant, incompetent or both? Why else would they give air time to such people?

 

Sometimes its more worth their while getting the village idiot on; getting a random fan with a bit of sense who'd likely say "we'll probably sing to show our support for the former manager then move on and support the new guy and the team" would be a pretty short conversation. Getting an ignorant knuckle dragger on to repetitively dribble some hackneyed invective makes it seem a bit more of a story.