trousers Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 My gut feel says 'yes'... I think we'd all be in agreement that Ramirez hasn't been firing on all cylinders since he arrived - yes, there's lots of factors involved in that.... acclimatising to the UK, his thigh injury, etc.....but.... do people agree that having a manager that comes from the same part of the world could be the catalyst he needs to kick on in the Premier League? I'm not saying that Adkins wasn't capable of achieving the same thing but I just have a gut feel that Pochettino could get the best out of him for the rest of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 I hope so...been a total passenger away from home... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restark19 Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 Has Torres been more effective under Benitez? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 19 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 19 January, 2013 Has Torres been more effective under Benitez? Fair point. Not saying that my gut feel is watertight! Just a hunch... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 Ramirez might be but the rest of the team are going to struggle. Perhaps we need to send Ricky on a Spanish course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 Has Torres been more effective under Benitez? Torres is burnt out, just wants to go back to Spain. Gaston is far younger and has all his career in front of him. Torres is 28, he's played over 600 games of football, an average of 60 games a year from the age of 18 onwards, that's a fantastic career for a player of that age but now he's finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 Ramirez will light up and sparkle as he takes the mighty Saints to greater heights.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 Ramirez will light up and sparkle as he takes the mighty Saints to greater heights.. what we will probably see is something similar to the formation we used at Chelsea with Morgan playing in front of Cork and maybe another DM, pressing higher up the field, was that an Adkins system or a precursor of the Pöchettino era ? There will be less space between the front recoverer and Gaston and they will play in a sort of tandem role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 We have invested a lot of money in him and NA dropped him a couple of times for the greater good of the team and the team balance especially away from home. The poison dwarf was not happy with this, he has paid for exciting footballers, he wants to see exciting footballers, even away from home. Therefore we have a new guy 'picking the team'. I fully expect him to be picked every game, probably along side Guly. I also fully expect us to go back to getting spanked away from home. Oh well, Nic knows best. He must do, MLG and road saint told us so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 We have invested a lot of money in him and NA dropped him a couple of times for the greater good of the team and the team balance especially away from home. The poison dwarf was not happy with this, he has paid for exciting footballers, he wants to see exciting footballers, even away from home. Therefore we have a new guy 'picking the team'. I fully expect him to be picked every game, probably along side Guly. I also fully expect us to go back to getting spanked away from home. Oh well, Nic knows best. He must do, MLG and road saint told us so. Listen Tokyo, I know you think you're a barrel of laughs on the muppet show but you don't half come out with a lot of cr@p on here. Take a chill pill or actually protest as much as you want, seeing how highly you think of yourself, you might just start a revolution!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 Listen Tokyo, I know you think you're a barrel of laughs on the muppet show but you don't half come out with a lot of cr@p on here. Take a chill pill or actually protest as much as you want, seeing how highly you think of yourself, you might just start a revolution!! Where does he say he'll protest? What he said is spot on for me. You're another who would have been arguing for the sake of Adkins just two days ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 if we play him down the middle in the hole then we will see the best of him (as we did against Villa) but stick on the left he'll continue to dissapoint IMO, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 Where does he say he'll protest? What he said is spot on for me. You're another who would have been arguing for the sake of Adkins just two days ago. The majority will not have wanted Adkins sacked. But what's happened has happened, yet the the ott reactions calling for Cortese to leave, how will that benefit the club and its long term ambitions? There's been a lot of objective decent posts, but same have been ridiculous in the grand scheme! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 I don't see how?? On paper this guy just seems like the La Liga version of Adkins, exactly the same style of play I would be surprised if he came in and changed the way we play,surely his objective is to see us to safety and build his team/style next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 Hope so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 My gut feel says 'yes'... I think we'd all be in agreement that Ramirez hasn't been firing on all cylinders since he arrived - yes, there's lots of factors involved in that.... acclimatising to the UK, his thigh injury, etc.....but.... do people agree that having a manager that comes from the same part of the world could be the catalyst he needs to kick on in the Premier League? I'm not saying that Adkins wasn't capable of achieving the same thing but I just have a gut feel that Pochettino could get the best out of him for the rest of the season. I would hope that the whole team would improve, but that's not going to happen. However, there is another style of play which the "Latin players" are used to, and Ramirez will understand that, I'm sure. Many of the present 25 squad are there to make up the numbers . If we say that the Chelsea start side + Lambert, Ramirez are the best we have, then some bench players aren't really worth their place. We have an injured Fonte, an unfit Lee and an absent Mayuka (what a surprise for him when he comes back), apart from which few others could expect to get a regular start in the Championship, let alone the Prem. I REALLY liked NA .....and his mannerisms, his openness and enthusiasm, but I'm not sure that he's the real thing for a " top-end " Prem. side (as per Cortese vision). Expect to see a sudden exit for some of the rest, and maybe more at the end of the season...and an influx of new faces - even if they can't all speak English perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintmonkey1979 Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 In response to the OP, I've been having the same thoughts. Ramires is a world class player but is yet to show it for us consistently. I have a feeling that our system under NA didn't suit the style of play that GR is used to or bought for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 In response to the OP, I've been having the same thoughts. Ramires is a world class player but is yet to show it for us consistently. I have a feeling that our system under NA didn't suit the style of play that GR is used to or bought for. Not sure you can say he's world class until you've seen him being world class tbh. He's obviously talented but as yet he has done nothing to suggest he's in the 'world class' division. Messi, Ronaldo, Van Persie are world class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 Not sure you can say he's world class until you've seen him being world class tbh. He's obviously talented but as yet he has done nothing to suggest he's in the 'world class' division. Messi' date=' Ronaldo, Van Persie are world class.[/quote'] Yeah but now we have a world class manager so we will be attracting a load of world class players here. Who wouldn't want to play for a guy who did so well i the Spanish league ad also tripped Michael Owen up in a world cup game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 (edited) I'm listening road saint but all I am hearing is that you and stato would sell your souls for a slightly higher league position and a nice new David Lloyd style training area with a wave pool and sauna. Regardless of if pocho is the best manager to ever have come out of Argentina, the way the switch was handled was disgusting. Whatever happened to doing things the right way? I've taken all the stuff about NC being a knob with a pinch of salt before, ****ing of contractors, not honouring this and that, high staff turn over etc. However, this one has been done right in front of our noses, to a decent guy and a club legend. We should be building ****ing statues for the guy, not offering someone else his job weeks ago and getting him to work on in vain, knowing that when the time is right you'll stab him in the back. Edited 19 January, 2013 by Tokyo-Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncoboy Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 if we play him down the middle in the hole then we will see the best of him (as we did against Villa) but stick on the left he'll continue to dissapoint IMO, Ramirez is a great player if you play him down the middle, if people cant see that they don't know much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 I'm listening road saint but all I am hearing is that you and stato would sell your souls for a slightly higher league position and a nice new David Lloyd style training area with a wave pool and sauna. Regardless of if pocho is the best manager to ever have come out of Argentina, the way the switch was handled was disgusting. Whatever happened to doing things the right way? I've taken all the stuff about NC being a knob with a pinch of salt before, ****ing of contractors, not honouring this and that, high staff turn over etc. However, this one has been done right in front of our noses, to a decent guy and a club legend. We should be building ****ing statues for the guy, not offering someone else his job weeks ago and getting him to work on in vain, knowing that when the time is right you'll stab him in the back. Ok, don't know about selling your soul stuff but hey, anything to string a sexy sentence together... (Not the lounge here!) I rated Adkins as the next guy and the shock was duly felt but keeping things objective in the aftermath and calm is what is needed right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 Just a couple of questions my dear main boarder. 1) Need for what? 2) who is not calm? It can't be me as I am sat calmly on a train on my way to meet a mate for a couple of pints, couldn't be calmer. Anyone can see that gaston is better in the hole. However, sometimes it has to be horses for courses. At times away, we will need to block up the centre of the pitch and play on the break. In these games, Gaston and Lambert are better as subs, coming on to make an impact. That is my opinion but it is not the one that counts. The one that should count is the managers (not the first teams coach - the ****ing manager), not some rich banker, not you, not me, not some mentalist in the Alps, the managers. Now, If over a period of time, the manager fails, NC should sack him. If the manager is the most successfull manager in over 100 years, then NC should just sit in his shiny suit and shut the **** up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 I know his signing was always seen as a statement of intent, and that he would be central to the future of the team.......But somehow, it all seems a lot more clear now just how well developed NC's plan is in his head. Supposedly, the signing of the new manager (I really must take the time to remember his real name, and not just call him Pinochio) was a by-product of the research on Ramirez. Obviously the search for a new manager began before that. I honestly wonder just how much pressure has been put on Ramirez to perform on the pitch until the managerial change was made. It seems to me that the first half of the season, and all the match results have maybe been a convenience when things were going badly, and an inconvenience when they improved as far as NC's master plan is concerned. Yes, this post is just as much full of speculation and bullcrap as any other on this forum. I suspect though, that we may well see a sudden spike in the performances of Ramirez. Some other players may well go on a down turn, but be outnumbered by those whose performance will be improved out of sheer fear. I think NC has a master plan much more ambitious than we can imagine, and that you could apply any conspiracy theory you like to him, but it would probably fall short of the truth. OK, I've been on the whiksy, so shoot me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Plausible...can see the the line of thought. Oh.....and have one for me......new year new me thing!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 I think you might be dead right, Ohio. When a club of our size spends that much on one player, the intent is to use him in a pivotal role rather than the somewhat peripheral one he often had under NA. Leaving aside how he actually performed, and even his nasty injury, that's why we (Cortese) bought him. And when the book is finally written on this sorry little episode, NA's utilization (or under-utilization) of Ramirez might turn out to be one of the key reasons for his dismissal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 20 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 20 January, 2013 I know his signing was always seen as a statement of intent, and that he would be central to the future of the team.......But somehow, it all seems a lot more clear now just how well developed NC's plan is in his head. Supposedly, the signing of the new manager (I really must take the time to remember his real name, and not just call him Pinochio) was a by-product of the research on Ramirez. Obviously the search for a new manager began before that. I honestly wonder just how much pressure has been put on Ramirez to perform on the pitch until the managerial change was made. It seems to me that the first half of the season, and all the match results have maybe been a convenience when things were going badly, and an inconvenience when they improved as far as NC's master plan is concerned. Yes, this post is just as much full of speculation and bullcrap as any other on this forum. I suspect though, that we may well see a sudden spike in the performances of Ramirez. Some other players may well go on a down turn, but be outnumbered by those whose performance will be improved out of sheer fear. I think NC has a master plan much more ambitious than we can imagine, and that you could apply any conspiracy theory you like to him, but it would probably fall short of the truth. OK, I've been on the whiksy, so shoot me. Great minds think alike sir... http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?t=42582 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Great minds think alike sir... http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?t=42582 darn!! So many threads to keep up with, sorry, I woulda put it there if I'd seen it. Having said that, my line of thinking was more about whatever the heck it is that NA is thinking rather than Ramirez himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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