Cortese=Lowe on steroids!

[Roger]

Lowe to me was the worst thing to happen to our club. Ruined it completely. However, as a shareholder got to know rupert well. He even phoned me in Italy and offered me game of tennis! As a man he had his positives Aswell as negatives. For the club was a mistake though. Was a nightmare. Someone very connected with club today said that cortese is Lowe on steroids and has a really evil streak. Just plain evil. Sounds about right. Problem is seems we are stuck with him as the family are not interested in slightest apparently.

[Saintandy666]

Lowe was alright until it came to the point where we needed to invest to consolidate, which he couldn't/wouldn't do. He did well with the new stadium, maintaining our excellent youth system and in the league as well for a while when he finally found stable managers in Hoddle and Stratchan.

[Bad Wolf]

Let's not start this. I don't for one second agree with the decision he made today but I do believe he is very different from Lowe and does have the club's best interests at heart. I for one don't want him out.

 

Murdering a child is evil...Kicking a dog to death is evil...Sacking somebody from your company isn't.

[RinNY]

Lowe to me was the worst thing to happen to our club. Ruined it completely. However, as a shareholder got to know rupert well. He even phoned me in Italy and offered me game of tennis! As a man he had his positives Aswell as negatives. For the club was a mistake though. Was a nightmare. Someone very connected with club today said that cortese is Lowe on steroids and has a really evil streak. Just plain evil. Sounds about right. Problem is seems we are stuck with him as the family are not interested in slightest apparently.

 

I'm not one to get into fights here, but I have to say that this is really stupid!

 

I mean, come on! Rupert Lowe had faults, certainly, but just ruined the club??? He facilitated the creation of St. Mary's stadium, and played a big role in developing our outstanding academy. He did not "just ruin" the club, even though he had a role in two relegations: there was good to his rule as well as bad.

 

As for Cortese, where were we just before he took over? In League 1, with a 10 point deduction to start the season looming, and on the verge of bankruptcy. And under Cortese we won the club's first trophy in years, won two successive promotions, now sit 15th in the Prem, and are signing players we could only dream of in the past. A bit of perspective, eh? Yes, the firing of Adkins was a shock, and an unpleasant shock at that. Yes, it seems unfair, and it's hard top see sense in it. But Cortese has brought this club success we could only dream of a few years ago, He may be a ruthless so-and-so (many successful businessmen are), but he seems to know what he's doing, and so far has been a bloody good thing for the Saints!

[BlakeySFC]

The difference is Cortese has actually put money into the club (£30-£50million+) and Lowe hardly ever put anything into it.

 

Cortese isn't afraid to spend £12million on a signing, Lowe wouldn't of dreamt of doing that.

 

People comparing Cortese to Lowe need to get a grip on reality.

 

One is Hitler, the other Josip Tito.

[Halo Stickman]

Cortese is a silent Mafioso armed with a stiletto; Lowe was a bell-ringing Morris-man armed with a hockey-stick.

 

Wouldn’t want to meet either of the ****s on a dark night….or any other kind of night, come to think of it

[Tamesaint]

The difference is Cortese has actually put money into the club (£30-£50million+) and Lowe hardly ever put anything into it.

 

Cortese isn't afraid to spend £12million on a signing, Lowe wouldn't of dreamt of doing that.

 

People comparing Cortese to Lowe need to get a grip on reality.

 

One is Hitler, the other Josip Tito.

 

If Lowe was in charge we would probably be selling Luke in this transfer window.

[Dangerous Albert]

cortese is a silent mafioso armed with a stiletto; lowe was a bell-ringing morris-man armed with a hockey-stick.

 

Wouldn’t want to meet either of the ****s on a dark night….or any other kind of night, come to think of it

 

lol !!!

[jjsaint]

If Lowe was in charge we would probably be selling Luke in this transfer window.

 

For £4 million with no sell-on clause.

[CB Fry]

For £4 million with no sell-on clause.

 

 

 

Which young star players did Lowe sell with no sell on clause then? Do tell.

[sadoldgit]

It is not Cortese's money and Lowe had to survive in the Premiership on 15k gates at the Dell. The board did what they could with what they had which is far less money than Cortese can play with.

[Whitey Grandad]

I'm not one to get into fights here, but I have to say that this is really stupid!

 

I mean, come on! Rupert Lowe had faults, certainly, but just ruined the club??? He facilitated the creation of St. Mary's stadium, and played a big role in developing our outstanding academy. He did not "just ruin" the club, even though he had a role in two relegations: there was good to his rule as well as bad.

 

As for Cortese, where were we just before he took over? In League 1, with a 10 point deduction to start the season looming, and on the verge of bankruptcy. And under Cortese we won the club's first trophy in years, won two successive promotions, now sit 15th in the Prem, and are signing players we could only dream of in the past. A bit of perspective, eh? Yes, the firing of Adkins was a shock, and an unpleasant shock at that. Yes, it seems unfair, and it's hard top see sense in it. But Cortese has brought this club success we could only dream of a few years ago, He may be a ruthless so-and-so (many successful businessmen are), but he seems to know what he's doing, and so far has been a bloody good thing for the Saints!

 

Let's not lose perspective. We have a long way to go to get back to where we were under Lowe in the Premier League. Our best team then would batter the one we have today.

[CB Fry]

Let's not lose perspective. We have a long way to go to get back to where we were under Lowe in the Premier League. Our best team then would batter the one we have today.

 

Eight seasons in the Premier League, half in a tiny stadium, very limited contribution from MLT (one season of any note), no free money from dead billionaires.

 

Eight seasons. Just one real relegation scrap, and one relegation of course. Otherwise solid mid table. All in all, very good. Eight seasons.

 

That Rat Faced C u n t hasn't done one yet.

[graveworm]

I'm not one to get into fights here, but I have to say that this is really stupid!

 

I mean, come on! Rupert Lowe had faults, certainly, but just ruined the club??? He facilitated the creation of St. Mary's stadium, and played a big role in developing our outstanding academy. He did not "just ruin" the club, even though he had a role in two relegations: there was good to his rule as well as bad.

 

As for Cortese, where were we just before he took over? In League 1, with a 10 point deduction to start the season looming, and on the verge of bankruptcy. And under Cortese we won the club's first trophy in years, won two successive promotions, now sit 15th in the Prem, and are signing players we could only dream of in the past. A bit of perspective, eh? Yes, the firing of Adkins was a shock, and an unpleasant shock at that. Yes, it seems unfair, and it's hard top see sense in it. But Cortese has brought this club success we could only dream of a few years ago, He may be a ruthless so-and-so (many successful businessmen are), but he seems to know what he's doing, and so far has been a bloody good thing for the Saints!

 

 

Totally agree..... what the hell do people expect....Cortese obviously did not think Adkins could take us any further............I back him.....nothing has changed in my mind since he started to run this club.....Nothing wrong in wanting to win...if you put your money( Liebherr`s money I know) where your mouth you are entitled to fire bullets. The bottom line he is running the club.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Totally agree..... what the hell do people expect....Cortese obviously did not think Adkins could take us any further............I back him.....nothing has changed in my mind since he started to run this club.....Nothing wrong in wanting to win...if you put your money( Liebherr`s money I know) where your mouth you are entitled to fire bullets. The bottom line he is running the club.

 

Spot on.

 

He's running the club and under his leadership we've gone from -10 in League 1, to spending £12 mil on a bright young talent. All in just 3 and a bit seasons.

 

What a ride we've had. But some want to say "this is where I get off".

 

There's been a hell of a lot of casulties on the way, from Mark Wotte to Billy Sharpe, Nigel is just the latest. A great guy and a fantastic gentlemen, but NC has yet to put a foot wrong, so I'm giving him the benefit of doubt.

[Turkish]

The difference is Cortese has actually put money into the club (£30-£50million+) and Lowe hardly ever put anything into it.

 

Cortese isn't afraid to spend £12million on a signing, Lowe wouldn't of dreamt of doing that.

 

People comparing Cortese to Lowe need to get a grip on reality.

 

One is Hitler, the other Josip Tito.

 

Cortese HASN'T put money into the club. Some of you need to understand this. He is an employee. He is paid to do a job by the owners and uses his mates credit card.

[WokingSaint]

The difference is Cortese has actually put money into the club (£30-£50million+) and Lowe hardly ever put anything into it.

 

Cortese isn't afraid to spend £12million on a signing, Lowe wouldn't of dreamt of doing that.

 

People comparing Cortese to Lowe need to get a grip on reality. Hitler, the other Josip Tito.

 

Cortese hasn't put a penny into the Club. It is Leiberr money that he has spent!

[70's Mike]

Cortese hasn't put a penny into the Club. It is Leiberr money that he has spent!

 

IS it ? or is it borrowed

[Saint Charlie]

Cortese has take us up two divisions.

 

Lowe took us down two.

 

Difference there for me.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Cortese hasn't put a penny into the Club. It is Leiberr money that he has spent!

 

Invested, not spent

 

If I was a Leiberr I'd be pretty pleased with how Nicola was managing my investment.

[Turkish]

Cortese has take us up two divisions.

 

Lowe took us down two.

 

Difference there for me.

 

Lets also not forget it's entirely different circumstances. Lowe was running a PLC and had to show break even for shareholders. Cortese has made a loss every season that he's been here and had £30m of debt written off. He'd have been fired if he was in charge of a PLC. We certainly wouln't have been signing the players and paying them what we are if we had to show a profit or break even every year. Dont get me wrong, i hated Lowe as much as anyone but lets not make out we are comparing like for like.

[shurlock]

Lets also not forget it's entirely different circumstances. Lowe was running a PLC and had to show break even for shareholders. Cortese has made a loss every season that he's been here and had £30m of debt written off. He'd have been fired if he was in charge of a PLC. We certainly wouln't have been signing the players and paying them what we are if we had to show a profit or break even every year. Dont get me wrong, i hated Lowe as much as anyone but lets not make out we are comparing like for like.

 

The accounts will look very different once the Sky money has been included.

For a man of business, you also misunderstand how stock markets work - they operate on the basis of future expectations of profits and revenues, not actual or current ones. Shareholders make money as long as share prices exceed earnings expectations.

[Turkish]

The accounts will look very different once the Sky money has been included.

For a man of business, you also misunderstand how stock markets work - they operate on the basis of future expectations of profits and revenues, not actual or current ones. Shareholders make money as long as share prices exceed earnings expectations.

 

I'm not an expert on the stock market and have never claimed to be. Do you think we'd be signing Ramirez and paying him £62k a week and writing off £30m worth of debt if we were still a PLC?

[ottery st mary]

Lowe =idiot ..end of story:p

[ART]

Cortese has take us up two divisions.

 

Lowe took us down two.

 

Difference there for me.

 

Inability to bring in investment and interference from Barclay's bank took us down 2 divisions. History will show that Rupert Lowe was far from an incompetant chairman and his part in moving th club forward. Cortesé would be incapable to a thing without the Liebherr money.

[alpine_saint]

Cortese is the sort of CEO this club has screamed out for since the PL was started.

 

For far too long SFC was a cosy Fred-in-the-Shed operation whilst the likes of Manyoo and Chelsea went into corporate overdrive. I am not saying I like the direction football has gone in, but since there is nothing we can do about it, he is the right man to ensure SFC can compete in the modern times (if thats not what you want, and you want mid-table NPC obscurity and a relaxed family feeling, fair enough, I see both sides of the argument)

 

He's tough, demanding, rabidly ambitious, but is willing to properly support the manager and squad. But woe betide if you dont deliver.

[The Kraken]

Cortese is the sort of CEO this club has screamed out for since the PL was started.

 

For far too long SFC was a cosy Fred-in-the-Shed operation whilst the likes of Manyoo and Chelsea went into corporate overdrive. I am not saying I like the direction football has gone in, but since there is nothing we can do about it, he is the right man to ensure SFC can compete in the modern times (if thats not what you want, and you want mid-table NPC obscurity and a relaxed family feeling, fair enough, I see both sides of the argument)

 

He's tough, demanding, rabidly ambitious, but is willing to properly support the manager and squad.

 

I thought you said a day or so ago that we (and our chairman) were penny pinchers?

[Katalinic]

Inability to bring in investment and interference from Barclay's bank took us down 2 divisions. History will show that Rupert Lowe was far from an incompetant chairman and his part in moving th club forward. Cortesé would be incapable to a thing without the Liebherr money.

 

Indeed Lowe was far from incompetent, he was a different level. If moving us forward means starting the chain of events that took us to the brink of oblivion then he did an amazing job.

[alpine_saint]

I thought you said a day or so ago that we (and our chairman) were penny pinchers?

 

And another load of out-of-context b*ll*cks from Kraken...

[alpine_saint]

Indeed Lowe was far from incompetent, he was a different level. If moving us forward means starting the chain of events that took us to the brink of oblivion then he did an amazing job.

 

[Katalinic]

I thought you said a day or so ago that we (and our chairman) were penny pinchers?

 

Alpine_Saint in hypocrite shocker.

[alpine_saint]

Alpine_Saint in hypocrite shocker.

 

Suit yourself. That wasnt the point I was making and you both know it.

[The Kraken]

Alpine_Saint in hypocrite shocker.

 

Alpine_Saint in yet another clueless debacle shocker.

[Katalinic]

Suit yourself. That wasnt the point I was making and you both know it.

 

Tongue firmly in cheek

[alpine_saint]

He supported Adkins to the tune of 30m over the summer. Hardly penny-pinching. I was talking about dragging out negotiations, delaying the reinforcement, therefore forcing the team to play additional games in a weakened state, for the sake of making sure he always felt in control of the deal through making sure he got what he felt was maximum value for money.

 

Not surprised a slightly complex point went over the heads of you two.

[The Kraken]

He supported Adkins to the tune of 30m over the summer. Hardly penny-pinching. I was talking about dragging out negotiations, delaying the reinforcement, therefore forcing the team to play additional games in a weakened state, for the sake of making sure he always felt in control of the deal through making sure he got what he felt was maximum value for money.

 

Not surprised a slightly complex point went over the heads of you two.

 

Why did you previously call it "penny pinching" if, right now, you say it was "hardly penny pinching"? Those were your words.

 

You're right. That has gone over my head. I have no idea why one person would say something with such gusto only to days later retract their own sentiment.

[Katalinic]

He supported Adkins to the tune of 30m over the summer. Hardly penny-pinching. I was talking about dragging out negotiations, delaying the reinforcement, therefore forcing the team to play additional games in a weakened state, for the sake of making sure he always felt in control of the deal through making sure he got what he felt was maximum value for money.

 

Not surprised a slightly complex point went over the heads of you two.

 

So if I have understood this correctly, "penny pinching" doesn't actually mean "penny pinching" in the traditional sense but actually means something completely different that you didn't actually say or mean?

[manji]

Lowe to me was the worst thing to happen to our club. Ruined it completely. However, as a shareholder got to know rupert well. He even phoned me in Italy and offered me game of tennis! As a man he had his positives Aswell as negatives. For the club was a mistake though. Was a nightmare. Someone very connected with club today said that cortese is Lowe on steroids and has a really evil streak. Just plain evil. Sounds about right. Problem is seems we are stuck with him as the family are not interested in slightest apparently.

Evil ? How old are you? Evil is murdering someone. All Mr Cortese has done is sack an employee and get someone better in. Grow up.

[The Kraken]

So if I have understood this correctly, "penny pinching" doesn't actually mean "penny pinching" in the traditional sense but actually means something completely different that you didn't actually say or mean?

 

Probably because he makes sh*t up as he goes along just to troll for a reaction, and denies what he's previously said/meant when its presented. Sad, troll-like behaviour.

[alpine_saint]

He supported Adkins to the tune of 30m over the summer. Hardly penny-pinching.

 

I take it you 2 can follow and agree to this comment ?

 

I was talking about dragging out negotiations, delaying the reinforcement, therefore forcing the team to play additional games in a weakened state, for the sake of making sure he always felt in control of the deal through making sure he got what he felt was maximum value for money.

 

Is not the net effect of him "being in control" to appear penny-pinching ? If we desperately need to get someone in quick because of injury or overdue addressing of a weakness, we would be inclined to pay more to seal the deal quick. By dragging it out despite the urgency it looks tight-fisted.

 

I dont know why so many people want to ignore the fact that money talks.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Is Apine talking to himself?

[sotonjoe]

I love Rupert Lowe. The only reason most fans hated him was down to inverse class snobbery as he had a bob or two. Pathetic really.

[SaintRobbie]

Lowe to me was the worst thing to happen to our club. Ruined it completely. However, as a shareholder got to know rupert well. He even phoned me in Italy and offered me game of tennis! As a man he had his positives Aswell as negatives. For the club was a mistake though. Was a nightmare. Someone very connected with club today said that cortese is Lowe on steroids and has a really evil streak. Just plain evil. Sounds about right. Problem is seems we are stuck with him as the family are not interested in slightest apparently.

 

Is Cortese appointing a couple of Dutch half wits to play total football with kids?

 

Is Cortese heading a plc rather than a football club?

 

Is Cortese sending us down two league through ineptitude or trying to push us on?

 

Is Cortese attempting to put in a better manager rather than take a youth team coach or a Rugby coach as Director of Football?

 

.... I think Cortese is most certainly NOT Rupert Lowe.

[CB Fry]

Is Cortese appointing a couple of Dutch half wits to play total football with kids?

 

Is Cortese heading a plc rather than a football club?

 

Is Cortese sending us down two league through ineptitude or trying to push us on?

 

Is Cortese attempting to put in a better manager rather than take a youth team coach or a Rugby coach as Director of Football?

 

.... I think Cortese is most certainly NOT Rupert Lowe.

 

Cortese has just sacked one of our most popular and successful ever managers.

 

Cortese is currently trailing Lowe by eight to one on seasons in the top flight. Lowe season one: 12th.

 

And Lowe didn't need to spunk the kind of money Cortese has sloshed around.

Edited 20 January, 2013 by CB Fry

[Toomer]

Invested, not spent

 

If I was a Leiberr I'd be pretty pleased with how Nicola was managing my investment.

If I was a Leiberr I would reign him in and teach him some interpersonnel skills.

[Alain Perrin]

I broadly supported Lowe for the same reason I originally started supporting Saints. I like the underdog.

 

One thing I like about Cortese is that he doesn't care about anything but success. Loyalty would have kept NA on to the end of the season - but loyalty would have delayed the project by 6 months.

 

NC doesn't care what the fans think because he knows that a few wins and all will be forgotten. And if it all goes tits up NC can just do a Lance Armstrong on whoever South Today's equivalent of Oprah Winfrey is. It's a win win.

[Pugwash]

I broadly supported Lowe for the same reason I originally started supporting Saints. I like the underdog.

 

One thing I like about Cortese is that he doesn't care about anything but success. Loyalty would have kept NA on to the end of the season - but loyalty would have delayed the project by 6 months.

 

NC doesn't care what the fans think because he knows that a few wins and all will be forgotten. And if it all goes tits up NC can just do a Lance Armstrong on whoever South Today's equivalent of Oprah Winfrey is. It's a win win.

 

Why? NA had already got us to the prem two years ahead of schedule and was likely to keep us there. If anything, the timing and method of the appointment seriously risks derailing our progress thus far.